Ok guys, im sure one or two people will flame over this.
Ive been thinking long and hard about the drive train in the cat and ive finally come up with an idea. Ive loved the song of an OHC 4v motor since learning how the tricky buggers work in my motorcycle.
2UZ-FE, its one of them 'yota engine, foreign jobbers.
I think i would be very pleased with the power it makes in stock form, and if i ever got bored TRD makes a blower for it. Im finding it to be a pretty impressive engine, readily available with 200k+ on them.
http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/273882-2uzfe-swap-into-fj80-building-progress.html (http://"http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/273882-2uzfe-swap-into-fj80-building-progress.html")
Now i know that link has nothing to do with a Fox body car but they guys there seem to know the parts interchange quite well. The engine came in the Tundra as well as the Lexus SC and LS400's. I see no reason this swap wouldnt be a fairly easy job.
I am hoping to find some time to call around to the salvage yards and find a blown up core local just for mock up. I dont know why but i always like having two engines of the same kind and ive already got 3 SBF's and only two cars now.:rollin:
Personally,if parts are easy to find for it and affordable,I say do what YOU want to do.I can't flame you,it's your car and you should do what you like with it.Good luck,and post pics of the build......if you do it.
my stepmom has an 09 tundra v6 even though the engine is peppy it still has its issues with the drive line she sets the cruse and even on flat road it jumps into passing gear way to much and with only 15k on it the vale train rattles bad. she takes it to the dealership for all services and they say their is nothing wrong i went with her the last time watched them check it out all they did was change the oil didn't even try to check on the issues she was having with it. i ask the service manager y they didnt look into it he said they were to busy with the accleration problems to deal with it right now. I am in the process of dealing with anouther dealership to help her out.
Hard to believe one could have a valve rattle. I would look every where else first. The valve lash is a fairly permanent thing on the shim over bucket valves. The design lets IRL carshiznit 15k RPM. Thats 1piston and 4 valves going thumpity thump 350 times a second, kinda tricky to hear a valve tapping on these things. And this engine has close ties to IRL.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-TOYOTA-SEQUOIA-4-7-VVT-LIFTERS-R-SIDE-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3c9ca6bQQitemZ260472162923QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-TOYOTA-SEQUOIA-4-7-VVT-LIFTERS-R-SIDE-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3c9ca6bQQitemZ260472162923QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories")
Interesting, but if you're going to go with an OHC 4V engine why not find a 4.6 DOHC from a Lincoln Mark VIII? All of the parts you'd ever need to make that engine work in a Fox body are readily available from junkyards and the aftermarket (including oil pan, K-member, mounts, headers, etc), as are performance parts (the engine is basically the same as the Cobra engines). You could even top it off with a T45 tranny if you wanted to row your own boat. As far as I can see the Toyota engine would have zero advantages over a Ford modular...
Personally I like Ford powerplants in Ford vehicles...but that's my opinion. :flame:
x2...
All I know is my buddys aunt has an '02 or something Sequoia and he says that thing sounds "like a nascar motor" :hick: LOL
I say, whatever mows your lawn
its your car :D
I was always disgusted by the streetrods with chevy engines and I think I woiuld be with a rice engine in a ford. just my .02
i have not tore into the engine it just sounds like the valves anddont want to void her warenty ill let the fix it . but i have seen people use cheby engines in a ford,dodge,toyota ect.. what would make them do that well i guess stuipidty. but its ur car do what u want it will be diff. from everyone else .
I know it's your car and you can do as you please with it. But for me, I feel if you want toyo power buy a toyo, if you want chevy power buy a chevy, ect, ect. I like my Ford's and will even buy and have bought a Mazda. Ford owns 51% of Mazda, so to me it's in the same family. I'm the same way with the street rods. If you want a Ford build a Ford, if you want a chevy build a chevy. That's just my 2cents.
When dispensing such criticism, it is probably best to first ensure you can spell
don't, warranty, Chevy, and most importantly,
stupidity. It might also be helpful make sure your entire post is actually readable by anyone more than casually familiar with the English language, but I might be a bit biased on that one.
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
Im just trying to think different guys, Its not about domestic or import to me. Hell if i had the resources id put two engines in the thing why not. After different comes cost effective. And if i can get my hands on a running rollover sequoia at auction for what im going to put into building my 289 and finding a trans, why not look into it.
Everyone keeps saying ford ford ford, and all i can say is i drive a mercury. Different is the key. In the 60s mercurys claim to fame was being different from all the rest. Im not saying the yota engine is the be all end all of engines Im just saying id like to blow one up.
They all do eventually.
Not anymore...Ford has somewhere around 13% of Mazda, and NEVER had anything over 33-something percent. :D
I used to be on bandwagon of "Ford Car, Ford Power", but anymore, who the hell cares? About the only thing stock on my car is the engine wiring, glass, body, and console...a different breed of engine wouldn't make a lot of difference to me now...
Wasn't hot rodding all about putting a better, more powerful engine (and drivetrain etc) into your fun car?
So, what's changed with that idea?
As for Ford making better motors than anyone else...sheeyeah, but no. Sure, they have this Coyote thing (the new 5.0 Stang engine) but plenty of other folks are making nice engines that kick your ass as well.
Gimme an LS-whatever, and let me put that in my Tbird...mmm-hmmm.
More power, less weight, and better economy than the HO...yeah, I'm in! ;)
Just sayin'....sometimes it's good to be different. :D
I alsk think it'd be tits to the nines to have a TT Supra engine in a TC...
Our cars came with an engine with one of, if not, the strongest after market engines in the world. It is a easy as opening up a catalog to buy parts for with almost every convenience of a modern car, and you want to put a smaller, less fuel efficient engine with almost no after market into one? If you wanted to throw in a chevy 350, at least there would be some logic to it.
I am not only disgusted by that but also when I see a GM tilt steering column used as a retrofit in a old Ford...
What about the fact that Ford used GM power steering pumps, air conditioning compressors, and carburetors from the factory?
Come on guys, give the fellow a break! These are cars, designed and built by men. God has never built a car, nor does He care whether or not we swap engines around.
Good grief Charlie Brown!
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
I have one leg in the antique Toyota world and one leg here in the mid-80's Thunderbirds and Cougars world, and I am actively involved in grassroots racing, vintage racing, and custom car restoration. I have long felt that a Ford in a Ford, a Chevy in a Chevy, a Toyota in a Toyota. But guess what?
Some of the coolest things I've ever seen have come from guys and girls taking a little from here and a little from there and making it unique.
It's your money. Stimulate the economy as you see fit.
Chris
the reason why people put chevy engines into a street rod is due to how cheap it is to build up a chevy as far as higher hp levels vs ford.
I'll just go ahead and say bullshiznit on that right now.
It's (mostly) a holdover from the days when Ford had only flatheads as V8's, while Chevy had the new ohv smallblock. More power, less weight, etc.
Then the whole trend continued, yes, partly because a 350 could be built cheaper, but mostly because every junkyard had a few in it.
Now, I think you can build a nice windsor for close to what you can build a comparable 350.
In fact, I think Hot Rod magazine did it some years ago, not sure exactly, but IIRC the difference was just a few hundred bucks..
Then again, we're talking street rods....typically based around a smallblock Chevy.
Everybody is always "shove a V8 in it"..nice to see someone wanting to go down a different path. Remember folks...evolution is the key to surviving... ;)
The motors/drivetrains are the hearts of the cars they are in. Swap them with another manufacturer and you might as well rip all the badges off and make up a name for it...... It just takes away from the integrity of the car, IMHO. But to each their own, I know I wouldnt want someone telling me how to build my car. Opinons are..... well, opinions.
even though people still swap engines from make to make. you still have the guys who show up in say a mustang with cheby engine and claims its an improvement because of the engine but in the same day a guy beats him dragracing in a camaro but its got a mopar power plant. the guy in the mustang says well u won cause of the cheby body and design. seen that one before
Screw you all, I'm just going to drop a PRV V6 into the 83 and be done with it. (Only partly kidding...)
This discussion is so tired. There are so many more important things in life to get bent out of shape over.
Personally, I like these cars for the styling and not the mechanicals. 80's drivetrains, suspensions and braking systems leave SO much to be desired. Improve and move on.
That's my thought. I went with what I could afford, what made the best power with the least work, with the minimum of modifications.
Hence, why I have a 5.0HO.
I'd love an LS2, 7, 9, or whatever...but I don't have 3 G's for a motors, electronics...etc. Nor have I the skills to fabricate the mounts etc.
It's just a car, just a hobby. Breathe people. :D
Wouldn't that be a Turbo Coupe? :rollin:
hey im not upset its a free country hell i've owned 3 yoto's in the past not proud of it but i have. i just like things to stay ford-ford ,cheby-cheby,yoto-yoto. yes i know people like to change things up thats their right to do so and more power to em. now lets get back foxbody love we all know we got :burnout:
I went to a car show in Tennessee a couple weeks ago and I thought one of the coolest things I saw there was a 1946 GMC pickup truck with a Nissan V6 and transmission under the hood! You could not even tell by looking at it from the outside. It also had a front suspension from a 90's S10. It was really cool.
So I say you do whatever the hell you want. It's your car and your money and I don't really care. :p
Dude, go for it!!!
People will go on and on about put a ford in a ford, and gm in a gm, and so on and so on. And, yes, that is my opinion also.
But, to me, what counts more is originality, and what makes YOU happy. Think about how proud you're going to be when that's done. Think about how many people are going to look at that when you show it off and be like "Woah", because of all the effort you put into making that something that very few people have done. Everybody and their brother has swapped in a 5.0HO, and there's nothing wrong with that! But, do you wanna ride the bandwagon?
Thats why I'm trying to build my v6 up. Everyone I know is constantly telling me "Just put a Mustang motor in it and be done with it!". Well, you know what? I don't want to! I know I'll probably *never* get >250hp out of it, but right now I'll take on somebody's stock SO any day, and when I'm done with it, I'll take on your HO. How many non SC v6's do you see from the 80's that put out v8 power? I love knowing that I've put so much hard work into what is not typically done. Its not always about taking the easy way out, or making everyone else happy. It's about taking the time and effort (and money:() and making YOUR dream into a reality.
Think about how many people have told any of us to quit trying to mod parts off of everything else for the Tbird or cougar, and just get a Mustang....but do we listen???
And as far as you putting a ricer engine in there, were talking about a (possibly supercharged?) 4.7L 270HP RWD oriented V8!
It might not be American, but its still Muscle. It's not like your swapping in a mtn dew sized fwd civic 4-banger w/ a little turbo.
All in all, I say go for it, and be happy with it.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on anybody.
I'm just giving my opinion. We all have 'em.
Being original is why I beefed up my V-6 instead of putting in the V-8. When I did it a few years ago, everyone thought I was nuts.
Sounds like another "all talk, but nothing gets done" thread. Who was that tool that said he was going to put in a Supra motor, because he wanted better gas mileage? He only posts when he has a crazy idea or to ask something that's been asked a million times.
See, it's not so much a "Ford in a Ford" issue for me, because if I could get my hands on a cheap LSx engine/tranny it'd be in the T-Bird before you could blink (assuming you blink really slowly). No, the reason I said I wasn't for the idea was that it seems more of a make work for the sake of making work project. Virtually everything would have to be custom made, and this takes time and money for something that would provide almost zero return on investment, both in the car's value and in drivability improvements (over the Ford modular). Like I said, all the parts are out there to swap in a DOHC Ford modular engine. Most of these parts can be bought used (1996-2004 Mustang K-member, headers, etc). There is a vast aftermarket for the Ford modular, and these are very durable engines (I've seen many SOHC versions with over a million kilometers on them). And then there's that T45 option (to my knowledge that Toyota V8 was never bolted to a manual transmission)...
Just driving an 80's Cougar is different. Installing a Ford modular into one would be even more different (I've seen two DOHC modular 'Birds, but no Cougs). Chances are you'd have the only one in your state. Why make unneccesary work and expense for yourself just to be even more different?
Agreed...A modular would be saweet.
I'm not totally biased against off-brand engines in a Ford...I just prefer Ford cars with Ford engines, GM cars with GM engines, etc.
Here is a perfect example of a GM LS series engine being put to good use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugoBL3y0YbU (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugoBL3y0YbU") That one has a 5.3 truck motor with a turbo!
I'd say you have a well enough reason (200k on an engine) to do it. Seems like it could be a good amount of work to get that up and going but to each their own. It you can set everything up I say do it. If you wanna do it to be a little more different....well look at what we drive
ok now the modular motor has my attention. How did i not know there was a carb manifold for them????????????!!!!!!!
P71 'Vics are everywhere.
and my gears keep grinding,
either way Ill be the last one to put any Chebbie parts on anything,
i dont care if its a throttle return spring for my lawn mower,
Ill take parts from anywhere but Government Motors.
The 4.6/5.4 family has never seen variable valve timing though, Right???
The 2005 and newer 3-valve has variable cam timing IIRC...
5.4, and 4.6 3 valve motors have variable cam timing. which gets rid of the egr system believe it or not.
Just to let everyone know the rattling in the engine was caused by a bad timing chain guide. The cruse control issue was fixed by reseting the computer just an update
Hmm, good info. I didnt even think about the chain guides but it makes far more sense than valve adjustments. Its been my experience that most OHC chain guides are over tensioned and under oiled for the pressure. Just my thought on it.
Yea im glad they fixed it for her but for the size of the truck it still gets py fuel milage. the best i've seen her get is 18 highway 15 avg. Hell my 5.4 f150 gets that. The 93 yoto truck i use to own got 25 highway maybe it will improve since they reset the computer.