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Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: softtouch on March 24, 2010, 04:44:55 PM
GM is working with Segway to develop this electric car.
(http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/Media/425x255/7e/7ea5143d9a914d0dafb737b4656d8f39.jpg)
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: oldraven on March 24, 2010, 05:20:05 PM
There are actually three different concepts, and they are evolutions of the very similar concept they debuted last year at, I think, the NYAS. These were designed for a world expo in Shanghai, so taken in that context, it makes a lot more sense. With billions of people living in city centres there, and in many other large and rapidly growing markets in the East, something needs to be done to shrink their new favourite modes of transport (going from scooters to cars has made already severe congestion a national nightmare) and reduce street level emissions.

Pod cars are awesome! I think they're the ultimate solution for civic transport. Obviously trains make more sense, but for those who enjoy moving around in their own rig, and not waiting at stops, this is going to be the future of motoring in overpopulated cities.

For people who think this is a waste of resources, consider the fact that GM is investing in markets that have already taken the #1 spot and continue to grow. Those markets also are perfect candidates for Pods, considering the issues I stated earlier. I have to think this is a much smarter use of funds and R&D than redesigning BOF truck based SUV's every five years, when those units have a very clear future of fading into oblivion. Right now, outside Asia, the only other companies working on Pods are Renault and Peugeot. Good for GM, finally looking at a massive market for the future.

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/03/24/gm-en-v-concept-futuristic-urban-transportation/

(http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2010/03/envconceptsgm.jpg)
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: 50tbrd88 on March 24, 2010, 06:28:48 PM
As long as they keep those off the freeway, they are a good idea.  If not there might be more of this: http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=27647

:rollin:
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: jkirchman on March 24, 2010, 09:17:21 PM
The Gee Whiz is already in use in the UK (mainly London) and is not a far cry from being a pod car.  The average speed anyone drives through London is estimated to be something like seven miles per hour, so little cars like these make sense for such areas. 
(http://www.dnet.net/user/jkirchman/gwiz.jpg)

Would I drive one?  Eeeeehhhhhhhh....not unless I absolutely could not drive anything else.
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: oldraven on March 24, 2010, 09:53:41 PM
That's the thing about North America. Our transportation is based around highways and freeways. Cars like these don't make sense... yet. Maybe in another 25-30 years in cities like L.A. or New York. I think that's also why so many North Americans would consider them ugly. They're not designed for us.

This is a great quote in that article by Eric Loveday.

"Do they look as fun to drive as a Porsche Cayman? No, but driving a Porsche Cayman in a congested city center isn't all that much fun anyway."

I just got a 'London vs. Porsche' flashback.:rollin:
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: dragon574444 on March 24, 2010, 10:02:52 PM
Wait, this was a serious post? I thought you were kidding...
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: jkirchman on March 25, 2010, 12:14:23 AM
You may think it is a joke, but the Gee Whiz pays for itself within the first 12 months of ownership due to the taxes you'd have to pay to drive a "normal" car in London's city center.  They tax them to death over there to drive, park, or do pretty much anything with a car in the middle of the city.
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: CougarGal on March 25, 2010, 12:25:10 AM
I certainly wouldn't want to be in one of these and have it get hit by a REAL car ;-(    I guess if everyone was driving them, it might not be bad but, throw just one '57 Chevy in the mix and somebody's liable to get hurt (and it won't be the guy in the Chevy!)
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: jcassity on March 25, 2010, 02:17:01 AM
Quote from: jkirchman;315779
You may think it is a joke, but the Gee Whiz is genetically selected for survival and pays for itself within the first 12 months of being loanded to you due to the taxes your forced to pay to drive a "normal" car anywhere in england.  They tax them to death over there to drive, park, or do pretty much anything with a car anywhere.


fixed:D
yep,, sounds like utopia:toilet:
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 25, 2010, 05:57:37 AM
Funny how everyone uses the "I wouldn't want to be in an accident in one of these" argument against small cars, yet motorcycles are becoming more and more popular...
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: hypostang on March 25, 2010, 06:22:37 AM
I hope they make it so we have to drive them here......



I would be the healthiest guy around, because I would be walking everywhere :hick:
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: CougarGal on March 25, 2010, 07:37:48 AM
Quote from: hypostang;315791
I hope they make it so we have to drive them here......

I would be the healthiest guy around, because I would be walking everywhere :hick:


:rollin::rollin::rollin::rollin::rollin:

...now where did I put my bicycle?.....
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: oldraven on March 25, 2010, 11:15:35 AM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;315790
Funny how everyone uses the "I wouldn't want to be in an accident in one of these" argument against small cars, yet motorcycles are becoming more and more popular...

They also don't realise that these are intended for use in areas where you can't reach speeds above 10-15 miles and hour. Also, assuming most didn't read the article, just looked at the pictures, they are designed to work on a smart road, where the car drives itself. Where every car drives itself. All of the cars know where the others are, and speed up/slow down depending on those other cars on the road. That means no accidents and no traffic jams. When the day comes where you see a smart road in a city centre, you will not be allowed to drive a conventional car in those areas. People visiting the city can cab it (in another Smart Pod), walk, or take the train. NEVER INTENDED FOR HIGHWAY USE! You would never see one of these driving next to a '57 Chevy.
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: jkirchman on March 25, 2010, 03:47:32 PM
The future you just described seems somehow....depressing...
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: oldraven on March 25, 2010, 03:58:34 PM
Imagine trying to drive your car around down-town Shanghai today. It's depressing anyway. Be comforted by the fact that this will most likely NEVER happen in the vast majority of North America. By the time that happens, only a quarter of our cars will still exist, and they will be driven about as often as a curved-dash Olds would be now.
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: Ductape91 on March 25, 2010, 07:44:41 PM
i would not be caught dead in one of those wheelchairs on steroids :toilet:
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: jcassity on March 27, 2010, 04:01:33 AM
Quote from: oldraven;315817
they are designed to work on a smart road, where the car drives itself. Where every car drives itself. All of the cars know where the others are, and speed up/slow down depending on those other cars on the road. That means no accidents and no traffic jams. .


sound good on paper,,, sorry but it sounds like you really find that reliable.  the jetsons days are still way off in the future as you said.  If we could do something like that, there isnt any reason why we cant have clean(er) energy or ,,,,dare i say more jobs!
Title: GM's new "City Car"
Post by: oldraven on March 27, 2010, 09:40:57 AM
They've been working on self-driving cars for decades already, and these aren't expected for another 25-30 years (as per GM). If they want to get it right, they should start figuring out the details now. New technology doesn't mean bad technology, and this idea works with clean energy. Leave that up to the utility companies. GM is in the business of transportation.;)