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Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: V8Demon on March 23, 2010, 11:32:50 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/35998317#35998317

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATocBBd7ARs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDzAppCblTU

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire/8574609.stm

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Dramatic footage has emerged of a lorry apparently pushing a car sideways along a motorway in Yorkshire.

The footage, which was posted on YouTube, shows the truck travelling along the A1(M) near Wetherby with the Clio trapped in front.

The scene was filmed on a mobile phone by another motorist.

West Yorkshire Police confirmed it had attended the scene. The lorry owner, Cheshire-based Arclid Transport, said it was investigating the incident.

At one point in the footage someone can be heard shouting: "He hasn't seen it."

A spokesman from Arclid Transport said: "There was an incident between a car and one of our vehicles in January.
   
In light of the new evidence that has come to light we are reinvestigating the collision
West Yorkshire Police spokesman

"Since seeing the footage from YouTube we are investigating."

He added that he believed the female driver of the Clio had not been injured in the incident.

The company said the lorry driver was sent home on Wednesday, when the video emerged on the internet.

He added that the accident happened on 13 January and police had investigated, but to date no action had been taken against the lorry driver.

West Yorkshire Police said officers attended the scene after receiving reports of a collision.

A spokesman said: "At the time of our attendance there were no injuries and both vehicles were on the hard shoulder of the motorway.

"As a result, at the time, the incident was treated as a damage only collision.

"However, in light of the new evidence that has come to light we are reinvestigating the collision and the matter has today been passed to our major collision inquiry team and inquiries are ongoing."


How the hell does a truck driver misshiznitting -- and then pushing -- a car?
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: CougarGal on March 23, 2010, 11:35:35 PM
There was an 18-wheeler several years in Nashville that ran over the front end of a VW beetle and though he'd had a blow-out ;-)  Smashed the front-end of that bug flatter than a pancake (doofus rolled out into a crossing lane of traffic from a side street from some strange reason and got half his car flattened for his trouble ;-(
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: Beau on March 24, 2010, 02:07:33 AM
My dad pushed a car through a set of lights in Chicago a few years. The gal was sitting at a red, with my dad behind her, apparently she was distracted, light went green, she rolled back into his bumper...he didn't see her, shoved her through the light and about 15-20 feet or so...


He said when smoke (from her tires, brakes locked) came up over the hood, he stopped and she pulled over to the curb. He about shiznit himself, he thought she'd already driven away lol.

Didn't hurt her car at all, except for grinding off a bit of tread, probably.

A set of econopoopster brakes won't hold back 1,200 feet-pounds of torque, lol

He got a coupla tickets for it, but nothing serious. He had to go to court over it, I guess she ended up with a ticket as well.
He said the cop that investigated it was writing her ticket, when this gal laid down on the ground and said her neck hurt.

Anyway....it don't pay to eff around with semi truck...a fully loaded rig will weigh 80,000 pounds. A little more than most cars will hold up, lmao
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: oldraven on March 24, 2010, 09:34:58 AM
I saw that video a few days back, before any details had come out about what we were seeing. Crazy. Thanks for posting.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: dragon574444 on March 24, 2010, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: FordTruckFreeek;315561
My dad pushed a car through a set of lights in Chicago a few years. The gal was sitting at a red, with my dad behind her, apparently she was distracted, light went green, she rolled back into his bumper...he didn't see her, shoved her through the light and about 15-20 feet or so...


He said when smoke (from her tires, brakes locked) came up over the hood, he stopped and she pulled over to the curb. He about shiznit himself, he thought she'd already driven away lol.

Didn't hurt her car at all, except for grinding off a bit of tread, probably.

A set of econopoopster brakes won't hold back 1,200 feet-pounds of torque, lol

He got a coupla tickets for it, but nothing serious. He had to go to court over it, I guess she ended up with a ticket as well.
He said the cop that investigated it was writing her ticket, when this gal laid down on the ground and said her neck hurt.

Anyway....it don't pay to eff around with semi truck...a fully loaded rig will weigh 80,000 pounds. A little more than most cars will hold up, lmao

My dad did a similar thing once, at a light a small pickup truck thought it was a good idea to change lanes and moved right into my dad's blind spot. Heh, the guy learned real quick about the No-Zones.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: DVP on March 26, 2010, 11:26:32 PM
Cars get pushed all the time and the driver has no idea. My Dad has watched other drivers push a line of cars until they noticed 3-4 cars up were hitting each other. My uncle almost killed a few teenage girls because they cut him off entering the highway.

I wonder what really happened. Id bet she clipped his truck and caused this. That would explain why he never saw her.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: 4bangen on March 27, 2010, 01:45:03 AM
thats what you get for driving a car the size of a small rodent!  Thats one of the reasons all my rides are eather big foxes or bigger buicks!  well exept for the fairmont and the bike, but I asume that if I ever get hit by a big rig in one of those I'll be pushing daisys!
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: oldraven on March 27, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
I'm amazed at how many people are siding with the truck driver on this. And for choosing to drive a compact? It's the UK. If the lorry driver isn't watching out for compacts, he shouldn't be driving. If I decide I want to drive something small and economical, I shouldn't have to worry about other people not seeing me. Seriously, guys, do you tell your friends who drive bikes that same thing? It was only a few days ago that a dump truck ploughed over a string of bikers down south. Was that the bikers' fault?
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: V8Demon on March 27, 2010, 09:43:41 AM
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If I decide I want to drive something small and economical, I shouldn't have to worry about other people not seeing me.

Exactly.  This isn't maritime navigation where the larger vessel ALWAYS has the RoW. 
Accidents happen, but pushing someone for what has been determined to be for OVER 1 MINUTE is flat out insane.  How do you not feel the impact if both vehicles are moving anyway?  They were upon normal roadways.  Even at speeds of 5 KPH I would think one would hear/feel something that wasn't normal.

People miss stuff, sure, but this is too extreme to excuse/write off.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: hypostang on March 27, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: oldraven;316056
If I decide I want to drive something small and economical, I shouldn't have to worry about other people not seeing me. Seriously, guys, do you tell your friends who drive bikes that same thing?


 I am in no ,means defending the truck driver  Just a comment about this statement ...


 Back about 20 years ago I took a motorcycle riding course before I got my bike license , and the first thing the instructor told us and stressed it throughout the course was  "Always assume the other drivers don't see you,  even if the guy smiles and waves at you and calls you by name " 
 I thought it was a little weird to tell us that but after riding a bike for a few years I came to realize that is a pretty good thing to have in the back of your mind .
 So IMHO  you should worry that other people don't see you... at least on a bike anyway :D
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: DVP on March 27, 2010, 11:41:43 AM
All Im saying is think about how possible it is for her to have merged right into his truck, causing this. Think about all the jackasses that cut you off everyday.

Truckers are easy targets now days.  Some are idiots but most need to keep their job and one little slip can mean no more paychecks, driver error or not.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: oldraven on March 27, 2010, 11:59:23 AM
For sure, accidents happen, but trying to imply that driving a little car might be why this happened is a scary thought. The driver messed up, and that's just all there is to it. He should never be allowed to drive anything larger than an ice-cream truck again. I know if I designed a home that was so flawed by design that it collapsed within a year (if that was even possible since all new builds need an Engineer's stamp anyway), I would be sued for every stitch of clothing I own and wouldn't even get a job designing a dog house for the rest of my life. And I wouldn't for a moment think I was being unfairly put upon. He got a license to insure this sort of thing never happened. It did. He should no longer have that heavy hauler license.

People need to take responsibility for messing up their job. In particular when they put someone's life in danger.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: DVP on March 27, 2010, 02:10:34 PM
I guess i see it different since Ive been on the other side too many times.


She was given a license also, and depending on what really happened, he shouldnt pay for her mistake/ lack of cation.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: V8Demon on March 27, 2010, 09:42:01 PM
Even if it WERE her mistake, I question whether or not he was impaired. 

Pushing a car for that long and then apparently acting as if it were no big deal afterward?
Again; approximately one minute at speeds estimated somewhere between 55 to 70 MPH according to various sources.........

That's a mile!!!
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: DVP on March 28, 2010, 01:36:38 AM
That truck hauls tons and tons, whats pushing one more?
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: oldraven on March 28, 2010, 11:30:04 AM
Quote from: DVP;316170
That truck hauls tons and tons, whats pushing one more?


A danger to the public.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: 87crzypssy on March 31, 2010, 04:32:17 AM
I dont know who scares me worse, female or commercial drivers.

except the fed-ex gal that delivers to work, she can shift my gears anytime.

Hypostang has it right about riding two wheels, and it should apply to cars as well. always assume the other cars on the road have no clue of your presence.


People get WAAAY too comfortable behind the wheel these days, they figure they have two hands and two eyes and only need one to drive tons of steel at a mile a minute.

When the drive gets routine, its time for me to find a new path. Thats just me though, i take a different way to work and home every day.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: oldraven on March 31, 2010, 09:38:36 AM
That's the second comment about women drivers in this thread. It was the MAN who almost killed someone. It was a female, so it must have been her fault, somehow. Some cliché's die hard.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: DVP on April 01, 2010, 06:38:35 PM
Quote from: oldraven;316610
That's the second comment about women drivers in this thread. It was the MAN who almost killed someone. It was a female, so it must have been her fault, somehow. Some cliché's die hard.


Goes the other way too. Its the truckers fault because he is bigger.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: oldraven on April 01, 2010, 07:14:53 PM
No, because he was pushing her down the highway, not the other way around. This isn't me blanket blaming all accidents involving Truckers on the truckers. I used to work for a Heavy Hauler outfit, and heard many a horror story of other idiots on the highway. I'm just all for laying blame where it belongs, and leave gender out of it.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: Kitz Kat on April 01, 2010, 07:33:53 PM
I don't see trucks doin 90 + , but cars yeh.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: Clintd on April 01, 2010, 08:28:50 PM
The truck I drive is a 2006 daycab Mack with 488 hp and 1700 ft lbs of torque. From empty to about 10,000 lbs I start out in 4th gear without any difference, over 10,000 two about 25,000 I start out in 3rd gear again with no major ride difference. Max load is about 43,000 which brings total weight to 80,000 lbs. It could easily push a car and you wouldent even notice a thing. I have never done this, but in 10 years I have been cut off twice to where I didn't notice the car right away. 1 time it was a Geo storm and the only reson I saw it was because of a yellow happy ball on the antenna. The problem is I try to keep a maximum distance between me and the car infront of me and everybody on the road thinks it's a open invitation. Anyway I also drive a car and I'm very aware of my soroundings. When I see a blinker for some one to change lanes I yeild, I know how to match my speed to merge onto a roadway and I know how to navigate through a traffic circle. I would never try to sneek around a truck or pull in front of a truck unless I can make eye contact with driver. Also if I'm behind a truck I always make sure I can see his mirrors. If you can't see him he can't see you. I personaly feel that everybody should. Have to take the commercial general knowledge test so they will get a small glimpse of what is going on in that cab. I have taken my wife, daughter and friends for rides with me and there driving style has changed because of it. In a few minutes I'll post a pic from the drivers seat.

Also the knowledge test is 30 multiple choice questions.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: Kitz Kat on April 01, 2010, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: Clintd;316762
The truck I drive is a 2006 daycab Mack with 488 hp and 1700 ft lbs of torque. From empty to about 10,000 lbs I start out in 4th gear without any difference, over 10,000 two about 25,000 I start out in 3rd gear again with no major ride difference. Max load is about 43,000 which brings total weight to 80,000 lbs. It could easily push a car and you wouldent even notice a thing. I have never done this, but in 10 years I have been cut off twice to where I didn't notice the car right away. 1 time it was a Geo storm and the only reson I saw it was because of a yellow happy ball on the antenna. The problem is I try to keep a maximum distance between me and the car infront of me and everybody on the road thinks it's a open invitation. Anyway I also drive a car and I'm very aware of my soroundings. When I see a blinker for some one to change lanes I yeild, I know how to match my speed to merge onto a roadway and I know how to navigate through a traffic circle. I would never try to sneek around a truck or pull in front of a truck unless I can make eye contact with driver. Also if I'm behind a truck I always make sure I can see his mirrors. If you can't see him he can't see you. I personaly feel that everybody should. Have to take the commercial general knowledge test so they will get a small glimpse of what is going on in that cab. I have taken my wife, daughter and friends for rides with me and there driving style has changed because of it. In a few minutes I'll post a pic from the drivers seat.

Also the knowledge test is 30 multiple choice questions.

It's a little different world in a cab.You should be on the the side of a road trying to get a trucker back on the road. my yellow beacon and four ways are an invitation to run me over. I see people doing stupid shiznit every day, and not even knowing it.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: oldraven on April 01, 2010, 09:18:48 PM
Clintd, you're not seeing my point at all. Again, I'm not saying truck drivers are always to blame, or even usually, and I'm absolutely with you, as far as careless drivers on the road are concerned. But when you screw up, you own up to it, and you don't go throwing around the opposing vehicle's size and the driver's gender as excuses for why you screwed up. You said it yourself, you've had close calls, but never did do this. Every person who's driven on a highway has had close calls. You don't get away with a traffic accident because your car was bigger and 'I didn't see him'. I'm sure most collisions with motorcycles where the driver makes that claim aren't coming from the mouths of commercial drivers, but other regular license holders who just weren't paying 'enough' attention to the vehicles around them. It doesn't matter what you're driving. It's how you drive it.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: Clintd on April 01, 2010, 09:34:19 PM
In new jersey if you change a lane it's you're fault. If the guy that pulled in front of me didn't have that stupid antenna ball and I hit him it would have been his fault. Say you are sitting at a light and some sucide idiot decides to crawl infront of your car out of your view. Now when the light turns green and you run him over are you going to plead guilty to a vehicler homiced?


I'm not saying what's right or wrong, I'm just voicing my opinon from my point of view.
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: hypostang on April 01, 2010, 09:40:09 PM
I have a thought ......
 

We all have no idea what happened or how the car got in front of the truck , we all agree that the truck possibly couldn't see the car and possibly couldn't feel the car there due to many factors  .
So instead of trying to point blame or say what kind of punishment should be doled out....
 How bout we all agree that it was a pretty wild video to watch and leave it at that :D

 Just my :2c:
Title: Talk about getting taken for a ride......
Post by: Clintd on April 01, 2010, 10:07:46 PM
Agreed!


On the east cost there is a lot of bad drivers. Dosent matter if it's a tractor trailer or a rickshaw.