Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 09, 2010, 11:01:15 PM
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 09, 2010, 11:01:15 PM
I've been wondering lately why so many people pull out their turbo 4cyl engines and opt for V8's. From what I've been learning about the engines T/C's came with, you can get some REALLY impressive power out of them. The blocks and rotating assemblies seem to be able to handle a lot of power, so that would be one less thing you'd have to replace when doing your build.
Anyone here have anything to say about this? I know Chuck has a true T/C. Who else here is and what have you done to it? Are you happy with the performance considering what you've done to mod it? Just curious.
Anyone here have anything to say about this? I know Chuck has a true T/C. Who else here is and what have you done to it? Are you happy with the performance considering what you've done to mod it? Just curious.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Loaded87IROC on March 09, 2010, 11:20:29 PM
Post by: Loaded87IROC on March 09, 2010, 11:20:29 PM
I swapped a turbo 2.3 in place of my 5.0.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: tr_guy79 on March 09, 2010, 11:23:46 PM
Post by: tr_guy79 on March 09, 2010, 11:23:46 PM
First, AMEN!!!
Of course I am biased.
I think alot of it has to do with habit. When I bought my first TC 11 years ago, I told my dad that it should run low 16's- high 15's, and he literally laughed. Alot of the old heads view 4 and 6 cyl. engines as the the cheap version, and turbo engines as finicky hard to tune and maintain. These combined together makes the TC seem like an underpowered high maintenance car, that only gives you (model year dependant) about a 10 hp advantage over the tried and true, rumbly, push rod V8.
As far as making power, in my '87 with (what I consider) minor mods, I have a car that on a good day (ok, I concede, it is a little finicky) will put the back end into oncoming traffic going into 2nd gear, and with a gentle cruise (highway @ 70 and country roads @ 50) can return a 29.7 MPG (my personal best). Many people have made daily driven sub 13 second cars out of them.
But, alas, you are still missing the off idle torque and deep throaty rumble. The torque isnt a big issue to me, but I do yearn for some bark that doesnt sound like an outboard out of the water (though I have gotten compliments on the exhaust tone). I see a 4eye with a 460 in my future (there was one for sale on another forum that I still think about...)
-Shane
Of course I am biased.
I think alot of it has to do with habit. When I bought my first TC 11 years ago, I told my dad that it should run low 16's- high 15's, and he literally laughed. Alot of the old heads view 4 and 6 cyl. engines as the the cheap version, and turbo engines as finicky hard to tune and maintain. These combined together makes the TC seem like an underpowered high maintenance car, that only gives you (model year dependant) about a 10 hp advantage over the tried and true, rumbly, push rod V8.
As far as making power, in my '87 with (what I consider) minor mods, I have a car that on a good day (ok, I concede, it is a little finicky) will put the back end into oncoming traffic going into 2nd gear, and with a gentle cruise (highway @ 70 and country roads @ 50) can return a 29.7 MPG (my personal best). Many people have made daily driven sub 13 second cars out of them.
But, alas, you are still missing the off idle torque and deep throaty rumble. The torque isnt a big issue to me, but I do yearn for some bark that doesnt sound like an outboard out of the water (though I have gotten compliments on the exhaust tone). I see a 4eye with a 460 in my future (there was one for sale on another forum that I still think about...)
-Shane
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 09, 2010, 11:35:05 PM
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 09, 2010, 11:35:05 PM
I knew there had to be some turbo 4 fanatics on this forum. I've been thinking about buying another black, 88 Turbo Coupe identical to the one I already have and leaving the turbo 4 in it. Obviously, I'd build the engine to be nasty though. I think it would be neat to have two cars that have the same rims, tires, same color paint & interior, etc. I think it would be neat to drive either car and have the exhaust tone be the only determining factor that would tell friends which car I was driving that day. :D
My first car was a Mercury Capri RS (turbo). That thing was FUN to drive. I loved how that thing felt and sounded when the turbo started coming on.
My first car was a Mercury Capri RS (turbo). That thing was FUN to drive. I loved how that thing felt and sounded when the turbo started coming on.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: DVP on March 09, 2010, 11:42:06 PM
Post by: DVP on March 09, 2010, 11:42:06 PM
Chuck swapped.
Ive seen and hear of this power but Ive only driven stock auto TCs. I hate the little 4 banger. That might change if I ever drove one with real power.
This all coming from a guy that drives a Taurus... :rollin:
Ive seen and hear of this power but Ive only driven stock auto TCs. I hate the little 4 banger. That might change if I ever drove one with real power.
This all coming from a guy that drives a Taurus... :rollin:
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: hypostang on March 09, 2010, 11:58:24 PM
Post by: hypostang on March 09, 2010, 11:58:24 PM
I'm on my 5th Fox bird and the first 4 were 4 cyl Turbo Coupes.
The only reason I have a V8 now is it was cheap and available when I was shopping for a bird .
I was looking at both TCs and V8s . I love them both :D
The only reason I have a V8 now is it was cheap and available when I was shopping for a bird .
I was looking at both TCs and V8s . I love them both :D
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: tr_guy79 on March 10, 2010, 12:09:01 AM
Post by: tr_guy79 on March 10, 2010, 12:09:01 AM
An automatic TC is not a true indicator of what a TC can do... Trust me, I own both.
The 85-86 were a 3:45 diff and C3, just too tall on the gearing to work well with a turbo.
The 87-88 were 3:73 diff (have one sitting) but the engine was "detuned" to 150hp (versus 190) because ford was (very rightly) worried about the longevity of the (POS) A4LD transmissions they used (Automatic 4speed LIGHT DUTY). I so wish the had just made a new bellhousing for the AOD and used it instead. I have a perfectly good (relatively speaking) A4LD sitting, that I simply refuse to put in my '85. AOD conversion it will likely be for me.
-Shane
The 85-86 were a 3:45 diff and C3, just too tall on the gearing to work well with a turbo.
The 87-88 were 3:73 diff (have one sitting) but the engine was "detuned" to 150hp (versus 190) because ford was (very rightly) worried about the longevity of the (POS) A4LD transmissions they used (Automatic 4speed LIGHT DUTY). I so wish the had just made a new bellhousing for the AOD and used it instead. I have a perfectly good (relatively speaking) A4LD sitting, that I simply refuse to put in my '85. AOD conversion it will likely be for me.
-Shane
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: t3skidoo on March 10, 2010, 01:14:22 AM
Post by: t3skidoo on March 10, 2010, 01:14:22 AM
by 'true' tc, what do you mean?
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Beau on March 10, 2010, 02:12:56 AM
Post by: Beau on March 10, 2010, 02:12:56 AM
I guess I have a False TC....Sport, with a buncha TC shiznit throwed at it.
Someday it'll be forced induction, probably turbo. Would it then be a real turbo coupe? ;)
Owning a TC isn't meant for me, I reckon, y'all can have 'em. I stickin' with my V8. :D
Someday it'll be forced induction, probably turbo. Would it then be a real turbo coupe? ;)
Owning a TC isn't meant for me, I reckon, y'all can have 'em. I stickin' with my V8. :D
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 83-88T-Bird Guy on March 10, 2010, 07:26:07 AM
Post by: 83-88T-Bird Guy on March 10, 2010, 07:26:07 AM
I have had alot of the 87-88 TC models over the years. 5 speeds are fun and the autos cruise easy. Loved them all.
I also have 460 T-Birds, and they have their place.
I have never had a 5.0L 87-88 TC tho. That sounds like a fun combo.
I bought a 67K mile all original 87 TC in March 2007 with the hope that I could preserve it for years to come so I could jump in it and re-live the "good-ol-days".
Now I find myself at a crossroads with that car because it has a cracked block. It starts and runs great, but leaks oil into the water jacket.
I want to put a 5.0 in it but I also want to keep it all original.
So I can see why people pull the 2.3 out and swap in a 5.0-5.8.
I also have 460 T-Birds, and they have their place.
I have never had a 5.0L 87-88 TC tho. That sounds like a fun combo.
I bought a 67K mile all original 87 TC in March 2007 with the hope that I could preserve it for years to come so I could jump in it and re-live the "good-ol-days".
Now I find myself at a crossroads with that car because it has a cracked block. It starts and runs great, but leaks oil into the water jacket.
I want to put a 5.0 in it but I also want to keep it all original.
So I can see why people pull the 2.3 out and swap in a 5.0-5.8.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: dominator on March 10, 2010, 08:07:34 AM
Post by: dominator on March 10, 2010, 08:07:34 AM
The reason i yanked my turbo 4 is for more reliable and easier power.
What i mean by this is,with double the cylinders(having 2.5L per side)and the same kind of internals the 5.0L was a wise choice.
At the hp level i'm at a 4cyl would not be a reliable driver and would as you say be finicky.
I also can't put aside the sound and raw torque that a 5.0L has.
As far as parts go they are usually more expensive for the 2.3L than the 5.0L and are harder to find.
I like the 2.3L and would like another one to fool around with but i will never regret my decision to swap in a boosted 5.0L.
What i mean by this is,with double the cylinders(having 2.5L per side)and the same kind of internals the 5.0L was a wise choice.
At the hp level i'm at a 4cyl would not be a reliable driver and would as you say be finicky.
I also can't put aside the sound and raw torque that a 5.0L has.
As far as parts go they are usually more expensive for the 2.3L than the 5.0L and are harder to find.
I like the 2.3L and would like another one to fool around with but i will never regret my decision to swap in a boosted 5.0L.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: ProTouring442 on March 10, 2010, 08:14:46 AM
Post by: ProTouring442 on March 10, 2010, 08:14:46 AM
I think it depends on what someone wants. If you are looking for a muscle car, then the TC just isn't going to cut the mustard, but if you are looking for an American version of a European "driver's car" then the TC is for you.
I love my Turbo Coupe. No, it doesn't have low end torque like a V-8, but then again, I don't plan on pulling a trailer with it. That's what I have my 1986 Grand Marquis Colony Park!
Now the ole' TC doesn't hold her own any more when compared to more modern cars, and with all those Mustang GTs wrapped around trees and poles it's no wonder some find it so easy to just swap the GT drive train into the 'Bird. I have another plan.
After I fix up the basic car (suspension, etc) I plan on getting a Wilson Racing Megasquirt II. A bit of fooling around with this, and a few minor mods on the little Pinto lump and I should have a feel on how to tune the MSII, after which I plan on installing a nice Duratec 2.3 (keeping the turbo of course) and 6-speed backed at some point by a Cobra IRS.
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
I love my Turbo Coupe. No, it doesn't have low end torque like a V-8, but then again, I don't plan on pulling a trailer with it. That's what I have my 1986 Grand Marquis Colony Park!
Now the ole' TC doesn't hold her own any more when compared to more modern cars, and with all those Mustang GTs wrapped around trees and poles it's no wonder some find it so easy to just swap the GT drive train into the 'Bird. I have another plan.
After I fix up the basic car (suspension, etc) I plan on getting a Wilson Racing Megasquirt II. A bit of fooling around with this, and a few minor mods on the little Pinto lump and I should have a feel on how to tune the MSII, after which I plan on installing a nice Duratec 2.3 (keeping the turbo of course) and 6-speed backed at some point by a Cobra IRS.
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: oldraven on March 10, 2010, 08:57:36 AM
Post by: oldraven on March 10, 2010, 08:57:36 AM
I have a 'true' TC, and I absolutely love the turbo-4. It is finicky, but this motor is the entire point of the turbo coupe. And anyone worried about the T4's torque just needs to remember to drop a gear. Problem solved. 240ft/lb is nothing to sniff at even today (and I'm talking about modern 4-cyl turbocharged cars), and considering that's the stock output, finding stock V8 levels of torque is as easy as turning a on a valve. Getting the power you want out of a small displacement boosted motor is all about how you drive it.
This is going to be my commuter/highway cruiser for the next two years (when there isn't any snow on the ground), and I'll be glad for the smaller engine when it comes time to put fuel in the tank.
There is only one engine I'm interested in putting in my car that isn't a 2.3L Ford, and the engine never made it to North America. Maybe some day, but for now, I'm more than happy with the lump the ol' girl was born with. I know it will never house a V8. There are enough of those cruising around the globe. If I want a vehicle with a V8, it will probably always be a truck.
If you want to talk to some more 2.3t fanatics, drop the guys a line at http://www.turbotbird.com . There are a couple of 12 second cars over there, so they have plenty of experience wringing more out of the 4-pot.
This is going to be my commuter/highway cruiser for the next two years (when there isn't any snow on the ground), and I'll be glad for the smaller engine when it comes time to put fuel in the tank.
There is only one engine I'm interested in putting in my car that isn't a 2.3L Ford, and the engine never made it to North America. Maybe some day, but for now, I'm more than happy with the lump the ol' girl was born with. I know it will never house a V8. There are enough of those cruising around the globe. If I want a vehicle with a V8, it will probably always be a truck.
If you want to talk to some more 2.3t fanatics, drop the guys a line at http://www.turbotbird.com . There are a couple of 12 second cars over there, so they have plenty of experience wringing more out of the 4-pot.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: daddybair7 on March 10, 2010, 09:09:54 AM
Post by: daddybair7 on March 10, 2010, 09:09:54 AM
i have had both an 88 sport may it R.I.P. and my current 88 tc. i can say i miss the sound a duals from the sport and the low end torque of the V8. But on the flip side i love the feel of the turbo boost and the fuel milage 34mpg my best highway . plus the fact the guys at work r floored when i say it a 4cyl.:burnout:
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Chuck W on March 10, 2010, 09:52:12 AM
Post by: Chuck W on March 10, 2010, 09:52:12 AM
As mentioned, my car is a "clone" ;) Was originally a 5.0/AOD car. I would have had a hard time molesting an 83TC, so I built one.
I'm not planning on keeping the 2.3T in there for the long term, but I'm happy with it for the time being.
I'm not planning on keeping the 2.3T in there for the long term, but I'm happy with it for the time being.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 10, 2010, 10:58:39 AM
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 10, 2010, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Chuck W;313481
As mentioned, my car is a "clone" ;) Was originally a 5.0/AOD car. I would have had a hard time molesting an 83TC, so I built one.
I'm not planning on keeping the 2.3T in there for the long term, but I'm happy with it for the time being.
Wow Chuck. Swapping a 2.3T into a Bird that came with a 5.0 had to be more work than swapping a 5.0 into a 2.3T Bird. I don't know of anyone else who's done that. That's kind of neat.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Loaded87IROC on March 10, 2010, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: Loaded87IROC on March 10, 2010, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: Loaded87IROC;313441
I swapped a turbo 2.3 in place of my 5.0.
Now you know 2 people who did that ;)
Edit: Here is my build thread showing the swap http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=27461
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 10, 2010, 11:04:48 AM
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 10, 2010, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: t3skidoo;313454
by 'true' tc, what do you mean?
A true Turbo Coupe is a Thunderbird with a turbocharged engine. A false Turbo Coupe doesn't have a turbocharged engine. I already have a false Turbo Coupe that I swapped a 5.0 into. I'm just thinking about building a fun true Turbo Coupe down the road.
I love V8's and that's why I decided to build my 5.0 Bird first. I also love turbocharged 4's though. That's why I plan to have one of them too down the road.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: RoyLPita on March 10, 2010, 12:22:14 PM
Post by: RoyLPita on March 10, 2010, 12:22:14 PM
I would go for a true Turbo Coupe. I would like to see what kind of highway mileage I can get out of one with the 5 speed.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: CoogarXR on March 10, 2010, 01:10:55 PM
Post by: CoogarXR on March 10, 2010, 01:10:55 PM
I have one of each; a 83 5.0 cougar, and an 85 XR-7 2.3 cougar. Both automatics, and both stock (except for the duals on the 5.0). I like them both, for different reasons.
I like the "light" feeling of the 2.3 car, and the quick suspension response and tighter steering. I like the antition of the turbo lag, heh. Stomp it, wait a sec and woah!
I like the v8 car for the sound and the torque. I hit the gas and it roars and fries the tires. You gotta love that. If I drive the 2.3 and then jump in the 5.0 it feels like a sherman tank, heavy and sloppy. But I like the ol' heavy hot-rod feel...
While I have never raced them side-to-side, I bet the 2.3t is faster. The 5.0 would have a brief jump off the line, but the turbo would prevail after a few seconds. Remember, these are both stock. I know you could say "if you did this-and-that to the 5.0 it would win, easy", but the same could be said for the 2.3.
I guess what I am saying is, there's much to love about them both. If you can't decide, like me, own one of each!
I like the "light" feeling of the 2.3 car, and the quick suspension response and tighter steering. I like the antition of the turbo lag, heh. Stomp it, wait a sec and woah!
I like the v8 car for the sound and the torque. I hit the gas and it roars and fries the tires. You gotta love that. If I drive the 2.3 and then jump in the 5.0 it feels like a sherman tank, heavy and sloppy. But I like the ol' heavy hot-rod feel...
While I have never raced them side-to-side, I bet the 2.3t is faster. The 5.0 would have a brief jump off the line, but the turbo would prevail after a few seconds. Remember, these are both stock. I know you could say "if you did this-and-that to the 5.0 it would win, easy", but the same could be said for the 2.3.
I guess what I am saying is, there's much to love about them both. If you can't decide, like me, own one of each!
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 10, 2010, 01:28:09 PM
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 10, 2010, 01:28:09 PM
This is my first TC…I gotta admit…I LOVE IT!...Admittedly, it’s an automatic, and while I searched for a manual, this deal was too good to pass up. Personally, I’m not a fan of a manual for my DD, simply because I know me and I love rowing through the gears—probably would have several tickets by now. Plus, I LOATHE a manual in traffic on LA’s 405 and 91. But my 86 with the 3-speed auto has given me a best average mpg of right about 20. Not phenomenal, but not too shabby either! I'd be curious to see what a 5-speed would do. I’ve always wanted one because a coworker of mine had one the exact same color with an automatic with nitrous…sweet ride on the squeeze. But I simply love my ’86 Four-Eye Turbo Coupe…
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: jangus on March 10, 2010, 03:12:16 PM
Post by: jangus on March 10, 2010, 03:12:16 PM
I bought my 5speed 88 TC to replace an old 85 C10 pickup. Have'nt missed it since.
Love the little 2.3T, and my TC will always remain a 2.3T car. Won't be stock (it isn't now), but always 2.3T. If I get the V8 itch, I'll find an early four eyed bird and drop the 5.0 I've got stashed away in the garage into it. Of course, I'll have to hang a pair of IHI or T3 turbos on it.
The 87/88 TC is a nice balanced ride, with plenty of comfort (if you can get past the no cup holder thing). I like the ride control, EATC, AC, power everything, and the exterior styling. It handles well, and that's important to me in DD. It also gets decent milage. It's no power house, but it is fun.
I do ocassionaly miss the exhaust note of an injected 5.0, but after I pass a gas station or two, even that longing passes.
Heck, my oldest son and I even swapped out the 5.0 drivetrain in his 89 hatch Stang for a 2.3T, T5 and 3:73 8.8 trac-loc. He doesn't miss the 5.0 either, and it's pretty aggressive from stoplight to stoplight. If I let him up the boost a bit, it would be a little more competitive, but he's not there yet.
I say just build what ever you like, wether it be the 2.3T, the 3.8 or the 5.0, fuel injected or carbed, just as long as you're having a good time doing it. Once you lose sight of the fun aspect of this hobby is when it's all over.
Love the little 2.3T, and my TC will always remain a 2.3T car. Won't be stock (it isn't now), but always 2.3T. If I get the V8 itch, I'll find an early four eyed bird and drop the 5.0 I've got stashed away in the garage into it. Of course, I'll have to hang a pair of IHI or T3 turbos on it.
The 87/88 TC is a nice balanced ride, with plenty of comfort (if you can get past the no cup holder thing). I like the ride control, EATC, AC, power everything, and the exterior styling. It handles well, and that's important to me in DD. It also gets decent milage. It's no power house, but it is fun.
I do ocassionaly miss the exhaust note of an injected 5.0, but after I pass a gas station or two, even that longing passes.
Heck, my oldest son and I even swapped out the 5.0 drivetrain in his 89 hatch Stang for a 2.3T, T5 and 3:73 8.8 trac-loc. He doesn't miss the 5.0 either, and it's pretty aggressive from stoplight to stoplight. If I let him up the boost a bit, it would be a little more competitive, but he's not there yet.
I say just build what ever you like, wether it be the 2.3T, the 3.8 or the 5.0, fuel injected or carbed, just as long as you're having a good time doing it. Once you lose sight of the fun aspect of this hobby is when it's all over.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: ProTouring442 on March 10, 2010, 03:28:03 PM
Post by: ProTouring442 on March 10, 2010, 03:28:03 PM
Quote from: RoyLPita;313499
I would go for a true Turbo Coupe. I would like to see what kind of highway mileage I can get out of one with the 5 speed.
Well, I get around 31mog on my trips to Tennessee.
I wonder what I might get after the Duratec swap...
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: thundr306 on March 10, 2010, 04:21:13 PM
Post by: thundr306 on March 10, 2010, 04:21:13 PM
This debate has gone on forever. At least on this forum it can be talked about without major drama.
I daily drove an 85 turbo coupe for 4 years. It was a great car and fun to drive. I never modded any turbo 4's though. I know they can make power, I just prefer a V8. Can this be considered a "true turbo coupe"?
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/thundr306/87%20turbo%20coupe/DSC03404.jpg)
I daily drove an 85 turbo coupe for 4 years. It was a great car and fun to drive. I never modded any turbo 4's though. I know they can make power, I just prefer a V8. Can this be considered a "true turbo coupe"?
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/thundr306/87%20turbo%20coupe/DSC03404.jpg)
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 10, 2010, 04:34:33 PM
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 10, 2010, 04:34:33 PM
Quote from: thundr306;313523
This debate has gone on forever. At least on this forum it can be talked about without major drama.
I daily drove an 85 turbo coupe for 4 years. It was a great car and fun to drive. I never modded any turbo 4's though. I know they can make power, I just prefer a V8. Can this be considered a "true turbo coupe"?
If your car has a turbo I think it's pretty obvious whether, or not it's a true Turbo Coupe. There's no drama in this thread. Any drama perceived, was imagined. We're just having a discussion here.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: thundr306 on March 10, 2010, 04:37:09 PM
Post by: thundr306 on March 10, 2010, 04:37:09 PM
I know there is no drama here...that's why I like it here. The comment was meant towards other forums.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 10, 2010, 04:42:27 PM
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 10, 2010, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: jangus;313517
...power everything..
You mentioning this made me think of a funny but true story. I had just got my TC but I was driving around with expired tags, I know, my fault. I get pulled over and it turns out that I had a ticket that I completely forgot about—turned into a warrant. Fast forward ten minutes later and I’m in the back of the squad car and we’re waiting for the tow truck to come and haul my baby away to car-jail. The cops sit down in the front seat, turn around and ask:
“What year is your car?”
“’86”…
“Really? An '86? Wow! It sure is nice inside to be that old! It’s got power everything!”
Unfortunately it wasn’t enough for them to let me go…:hick:
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 10, 2010, 04:44:08 PM
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 10, 2010, 04:44:08 PM
Quote from: thundr306;313523
This debate has gone on forever. At least on this forum it can be talked about without major drama.
I daily drove an 85 turbo coupe for 4 years. It was a great car and fun to drive. I never modded any turbo 4's though. I know they can make power, I just prefer a V8. Can this be considered a "true turbo coupe"?
Well, I see a turbo, and it's a coupe, so....if you like it, I love it! Lol!...
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 10, 2010, 04:46:46 PM
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 10, 2010, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: thundr306;313523
This debate has gone on forever. At least on this forum it can be talked about without major drama.
I daily drove an 85 turbo coupe for 4 years. It was a great car and fun to drive. I never modded any turbo 4's though. I know they can make power, I just prefer a V8. Can this be considered a "true turbo coupe"?
Well, I sure see a turbo right there--and it's a coupe...Works for me! lol...
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 10, 2010, 04:46:55 PM
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 10, 2010, 04:46:55 PM
Quote from: thundr306;313528
I know there is no drama here...that's why I like it here. The comment was meant towards other forums.
I agree. Try having a discussion like this in a Stang forum and see what happens. I too like this forum for it's laid-back nature.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 10, 2010, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 10, 2010, 04:52:00 PM
Quote from: BlackCardinal;313531
Well, I sure see a turbo right there--and it's a coupe...Works for me! lol...
Works for me too! I'll bet it's one heck of a ride!
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 10, 2010, 05:10:21 PM
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 10, 2010, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: 88 Blackbird 5.0;313535
Works for me too! I'll bet it's one heck of a ride!
It's beautiful! I wanna see it run!
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88turbo on March 10, 2010, 06:48:26 PM
Post by: 88turbo on March 10, 2010, 06:48:26 PM
the only reason I am doing my swap is because...
1. the car was free
2. the car gave its engine to my silver TC
3. I had a spare 302 sitting around and an awesome friend that gave me parts to help it along ;) (thanks Beau)
hoping to have the car running in the next few months weather permitting
1. the car was free
2. the car gave its engine to my silver TC
3. I had a spare 302 sitting around and an awesome friend that gave me parts to help it along ;) (thanks Beau)
hoping to have the car running in the next few months weather permitting
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Cougar8775 on March 10, 2010, 07:27:34 PM
Post by: Cougar8775 on March 10, 2010, 07:27:34 PM
i have a tc never drove one before and all i can say when the turbo spools there is some definate power just not at the low end. Ive thought of putting my m90 on it for the bottom end till the turbo spooled up enough to make power.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: thundr306 on March 10, 2010, 07:52:37 PM
Post by: thundr306 on March 10, 2010, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: BlackCardinal;313542
It's beautiful! I wanna see it run!
This is as far as it went:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOBwyQ0pZYw
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: t3skidoo on March 10, 2010, 10:46:21 PM
Post by: t3skidoo on March 10, 2010, 10:46:21 PM
turbo(s) + modern electronics = fun
(regardless of the number of cylinders)
A small V6 + a turbo or two + 6-sp trans would make a nice TC
My biggest gripe about the stock TC is how and when the EEC goes into open loop. Fix that and you can get really good fuel economy numbers.
(regardless of the number of cylinders)
A small V6 + a turbo or two + 6-sp trans would make a nice TC
My biggest gripe about the stock TC is how and when the EEC goes into open loop. Fix that and you can get really good fuel economy numbers.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: FLSTCI71 on March 10, 2010, 11:44:44 PM
Post by: FLSTCI71 on March 10, 2010, 11:44:44 PM
My son has a bone stock 87 TC 5-speed and he loves it. We bought a junk 87 TC out of the s yard to use as a donor car to fix up the stock TC. When we were done, he wanted a blown car too, so.... we robbed a 5.0/T5 out of a Mustang, bought a Vortech and put it all in his 87 TC parts car. Now he loves his turbo 4 and his blown 8. They both have their purpose and (we think) they're both cool.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 11, 2010, 01:17:32 PM
Post by: BlackCardinal on March 11, 2010, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: thundr306;313559
This is as far as it went:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOBwyQ0pZYw
Hmmm...well, the turbo STARTED to sound good! lol!....
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Cad-T-Bird 500 on March 11, 2010, 04:11:01 PM
Post by: Cad-T-Bird 500 on March 11, 2010, 04:11:01 PM
I think the Turbo Coupe is a great car but it is not a V-8. I have seen a lot of people put a lot of money in these engines just to be disappointed in the overall performance. Sure there are those out there that run in the 12's or faster but they are not a reliable combo.
If you want to real Turbo Coupe put a V-8 in it with a Turbo. You won't get 30mpg out of it but this is what a new Ford Fusion is for.
That being said I always thought a Pinto with a Turbo four/5 speed would be a fun build, but it's very hard to find a good Pinto anymore.
IMO the Thunderbird was too big a car to have a Turbo four in.
TED (my Turbo Coupe is no longer a real Turbo Coupe)
If you want to real Turbo Coupe put a V-8 in it with a Turbo. You won't get 30mpg out of it but this is what a new Ford Fusion is for.
That being said I always thought a Pinto with a Turbo four/5 speed would be a fun build, but it's very hard to find a good Pinto anymore.
IMO the Thunderbird was too big a car to have a Turbo four in.
TED (my Turbo Coupe is no longer a real Turbo Coupe)
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: oldraven on March 11, 2010, 04:22:29 PM
Post by: oldraven on March 11, 2010, 04:22:29 PM
I beg to differ. If you feel the T-bird was too big for the 2.3t, then it was definitely too big for the 302 SO, and the 3.8 never had any business trying to push it around. I'm talking about from the factory. Never once have I had someone in my car who thought it was lacking in power.
A turbo V8 in a turbocoupe would make it simply pass for a turbocoupe, technically, because there's a turbo under the hood. A real turbocoupe has the original motor in it.
A turbo V8 in a turbocoupe would make it simply pass for a turbocoupe, technically, because there's a turbo under the hood. A real turbocoupe has the original motor in it.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: ProTouring442 on March 11, 2010, 04:40:54 PM
Post by: ProTouring442 on March 11, 2010, 04:40:54 PM
Quote from: Cad-T-Bird 500;313703
I think the Turbo Coupe is a great car but it is not a V-8. I have seen a lot of people put a lot of money in these engines just to be disappointed in the overall performance. Sure there are those out there that run in the 12's or faster but they are not a reliable combo.
If you want to real Turbo Coupe put a V-8 in it with a Turbo. You won't get 30mpg out of it but this is what a new Ford Fusion is for.
That being said I always thought a Pinto with a Turbo four/5 speed would be a fun build, but it's very hard to find a good Pinto anymore.
IMO the Thunderbird was too big a car to have a Turbo four in.
TED (my Turbo Coupe is no longer a real Turbo Coupe)
But I don't want a new Fusion, I want my TC and I think it is quite fine with its original 4 cylinder engine, thank you very much. Even when I do an engine swap, it isn't going to be to a 6 or an 8 but rather to another 2.3 4 cylinder, only this time to a turbocharged Duratec 2.3 4 cylinder.
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: daddybair7 on March 11, 2010, 06:28:26 PM
Post by: daddybair7 on March 11, 2010, 06:28:26 PM
Quote
that being said i always thought a pinto with a turbo four/5 speed would be a fun build, but it's very hard to find a good pinto anymore.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: oldraven on March 11, 2010, 06:33:28 PM
Post by: oldraven on March 11, 2010, 06:33:28 PM
I don't think the 87-88's had T3/T4's, just the T3.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: daddybair7 on March 11, 2010, 06:39:54 PM
Post by: daddybair7 on March 11, 2010, 06:39:54 PM
the turbo was an after market he had in it when he totaled his tc.he trashed the ICI turbo he didnt like it
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: fordguy545 on March 11, 2010, 06:45:17 PM
Post by: fordguy545 on March 11, 2010, 06:45:17 PM
87/88 cars didnt have a t3 at all. Had the even smaller IHI. I kind of disagree on the 12 sec turbo 4's being unreliable. The only thing that ever let me down was the head gasket and that was just from pushing it HARD on pump gas. I have daily driven mine for 2 summers being a 12 sec car. 2008 it went 12.96 @ 107 and 2009 it went 12.81 @ 111. 150k mile short block with lots of boost from a holset turbo. What have other people on here made power wise with the turbo4. I've made 349rwhp/398wtq with the cam 4 degrees advanced for autox(yes I do autox it with that big turbo) and with the cam I have in it, it sounds just like a stock 5.0 at idle
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: oldraven on March 11, 2010, 07:46:57 PM
Post by: oldraven on March 11, 2010, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: daddybair7;313726
the turbo was an after market he had in it when he totaled his tc.he trashed the ICI turbo he didnt like it
Ah, I can't believe I just typed that. 87-88's didn't have either. *facepalm*
Yeah, if you look at my sig photo, you'll wonder why I said that, because I own a Borg-Warner IHI stocker.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: ProTouring442 on March 11, 2010, 08:41:11 PM
Post by: ProTouring442 on March 11, 2010, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: oldraven;313744
Ah, I can't believe I just typed that. 87-88's didn't have either. *facepalm*
Yeah, if you look at my sig photo, you'll wonder why I said that, because I own a Borg-Warner IHI stocker.
We'll forgive you, but only because your car looks so nice. :D
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Silver5oh on March 11, 2010, 09:01:17 PM
Post by: Silver5oh on March 11, 2010, 09:01:17 PM
I own a "true" 84 Turbo Coupe, and when/if the time comes to break it out of storage and put any money into it, it'll get either a fresh 5.0, a SuperCoupe 3.8 V6 or a Taurus SHO V6 and not another 2.3....here's why:
I grew up on V8's....some mod'd, some 100% stock. I also have a heavily mod'd 86 Capri 5.0 that flat runs!! When I drive the Turbo Coupe, I feel like I'm constantly beating on it trying to make it go somewhere....feels like I'm buzzing the motor within an inche of its little life. And as said before by others, the sound just isn't there!!
In the defense of the 2.3T set up, I DO like it on a long trip with the cruise set....I've gotten the best of 36mpg out of my '84 on the highway. When you need to pass someone, just roll into the throttle, feel some boost and it pulls you right along. The flip side to that is that the tach is buzzing alot higher than I'd prefer.
I know theres alot to be said for an inline motor design and there can be good power made from the little 2.3, I personally just don't feel its the best motor for performance driving and fun.....plus theres that sound issue again!! LOL
Both have their good and bad points but I'd prefer a good old fashioned V8!!
Later, RAY
I grew up on V8's....some mod'd, some 100% stock. I also have a heavily mod'd 86 Capri 5.0 that flat runs!! When I drive the Turbo Coupe, I feel like I'm constantly beating on it trying to make it go somewhere....feels like I'm buzzing the motor within an inche of its little life. And as said before by others, the sound just isn't there!!
In the defense of the 2.3T set up, I DO like it on a long trip with the cruise set....I've gotten the best of 36mpg out of my '84 on the highway. When you need to pass someone, just roll into the throttle, feel some boost and it pulls you right along. The flip side to that is that the tach is buzzing alot higher than I'd prefer.
I know theres alot to be said for an inline motor design and there can be good power made from the little 2.3, I personally just don't feel its the best motor for performance driving and fun.....plus theres that sound issue again!! LOL
Both have their good and bad points but I'd prefer a good old fashioned V8!!
Later, RAY
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: fordguy545 on March 11, 2010, 09:48:23 PM
Post by: fordguy545 on March 11, 2010, 09:48:23 PM
So you have to rev em, so what. I have a 700hp truck too, its just they are two completely different animals. My TC almost feels faster than my truck just because of how HARD it pulls when the boost hits. I dont know about you, but my stock shortblock saw 7100rpm
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: daddybair7 on March 11, 2010, 10:25:31 PM
Post by: daddybair7 on March 11, 2010, 10:25:31 PM
Quote from: protouring442;313756
we'll forgive you, but only because your car looks so nice. :d
shiny side up!
Bill
x2
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: T-BirdX3 on March 11, 2010, 11:18:11 PM
Post by: T-BirdX3 on March 11, 2010, 11:18:11 PM
-Humor Removed-
If you have a TC and it feels "sluggish" it is because you don't have the thing properly tuned and maintained. The funny thing is how much time and effort is spent swapping over to a motor that offers very few advantages, especially in stock form.
If half of that time and money was spent on the 2.3 you would have much better results. But I understand it is easier to just give in and go with the V8, goodness knows everyone else has one so you might as well have one to.
If you have a TC and it feels "sluggish" it is because you don't have the thing properly tuned and maintained. The funny thing is how much time and effort is spent swapping over to a motor that offers very few advantages, especially in stock form.
If half of that time and money was spent on the 2.3 you would have much better results. But I understand it is easier to just give in and go with the V8, goodness knows everyone else has one so you might as well have one to.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: tr_guy79 on March 13, 2010, 01:24:52 AM
Post by: tr_guy79 on March 13, 2010, 01:24:52 AM
True TC = A turbocoupe with the original Turboed Lima 2.3
This argument can go round and round. It all comes down to what you like. I like beating the snot out of sport compacts, and embarrassing a few modern "muscle" cars, while driving a 4cyl fuel sipper.
And I agree; Anyone who feels a 5spd TC is sluggish or underpowered, has not been in one that was properly running. Year for year, they outrun the 5.0 sport, and nip at the heels of the Mustang GT
This argument can go round and round. It all comes down to what you like. I like beating the snot out of sport compacts, and embarrassing a few modern "muscle" cars, while driving a 4cyl fuel sipper.
And I agree; Anyone who feels a 5spd TC is sluggish or underpowered, has not been in one that was properly running. Year for year, they outrun the 5.0 sport, and nip at the heels of the Mustang GT
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Whiteboy on March 13, 2010, 01:46:22 AM
Post by: Whiteboy on March 13, 2010, 01:46:22 AM
Quote from: FordTruckFreeek;313458
I guess I have a False TC....Sport, with a buncha TC shiznit throwed at it.
Someday it'll be forced induction, probably turbo. Would it then be a real turbo coupe? ;)
Owning a TC isn't meant for me, I reckon, y'all can have 'em. I stickin' with my V8. :D
Mssouri boys think alike.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88turbo on March 13, 2010, 08:34:22 AM
Post by: 88turbo on March 13, 2010, 08:34:22 AM
Quote from: T-BirdX3;313798
AYE lets face anyone that pulls out the "little" 2.3 and puts in a "big" V8 is just trying to make there selves fell more adequate in other areas of their life.
If you have a TC and it feels "sluggish" it is because you don't have the thing properly tuned and maintained. The funny thing is how much time and effort is spent swapping over to a motor that offers very few advantages, especially in stock form.
If half of that time and money was spent on the 2.3 you would have much better results. But I understand it is easier to just give in and go with the V8, goodness knows everyone else has one so you might as well have one to.
I have 3 TC's currently at the house, 1 stock, 1 modified, and 1 highly modified (V8). how am I trying to make myself feelmore adequate putting a V8 in one?
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: oldraven on March 13, 2010, 09:33:44 AM
Post by: oldraven on March 13, 2010, 09:33:44 AM
Quote from: 88turbo;313971
I have 3 TC's currently at the house, 1 stock, 1 modified, and 1 highly modified (V8). how am I trying to make myself feelmore adequate putting a V8 in one?
Yeah, that was a flame-bait statement if I ever heard one (the one you're replying to, not yours). Let's try not to let this get ugly, guys. Remember how in the beginning of this thread we were bragging about how we're not like those other boards?
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Watchdevil on March 13, 2010, 09:34:57 AM
Post by: Watchdevil on March 13, 2010, 09:34:57 AM
Quote from: daddybair7;313723
the white on has a 2.3 with a t3/t4 turbo out of an 88 tc using the factory intercooler mounted down by the front bumper on the passenger side its got a 5 speed in it but it aint a t5 out of the tc
Nice Pintos!
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: RoyLPita on March 13, 2010, 10:11:13 AM
Post by: RoyLPita on March 13, 2010, 10:11:13 AM
While we are on the subject of this, if you were looking for one, would you get one in a 5 speed with no mods or modified?
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: oldraven on March 13, 2010, 10:28:29 AM
Post by: oldraven on March 13, 2010, 10:28:29 AM
I would always look for an unmodified 'factory performance' car.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: T-BirdX3 on March 13, 2010, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: T-BirdX3 on March 13, 2010, 10:30:00 AM
Quote from: RoyLPita;313989
While we are on the subject of this, if you were looking for one, would you get one in a 5 speed with no mods or modified?
If your referring to TC's, it seems to me you can get decent one with the basic mods (K&N, exhaust, gillis, and a fmic) for cheaper than you can put it together yourself. Plus if they took the time to do quality mods there is a real good chance they cared about the car, which would mean they would keep up with the maintianance side of it.
But thats just my opinion. :D
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88turbo on March 13, 2010, 10:42:45 AM
Post by: 88turbo on March 13, 2010, 10:42:45 AM
its getting to the point in this area that you grab them when you can due to rarity. at this point in time right now there are 4 TC's in this county I own 3 and the other one is here for some upgrades.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Silver5oh on March 13, 2010, 12:42:36 PM
Post by: Silver5oh on March 13, 2010, 12:42:36 PM
Seriously? Trying to make myself feel more adequate by swapping in a V8? Is that kind of like trying to keep up with the "Jones'" type slam? Please.....I own an 86 Mercury Capri that is faster than 90% of the Mustangs in my area, yet when I have it out and about, the average person doesn't know the first thing about it. Try taking it to the Mid-America Shelby meet and be put in the "Special Interest" class and get parked along side a 6-figure fully restored 66 Galaxie 7-Liter...been there.....or how about next to a Pantera? They look at my Capri like it's another used car. Don't tell me about building something to try to "fit in"!! The truth be told, I gave the 2.3T some credit for mileage and durability, that doesn't mean I HAVE to keep it in MY car, whether it's tuned correctly or not, mine's a tired oil burning weak and slow 4-cylinder....and, since I have a few extra 5.0 T-5 set ups laying around, it's going to get swapped out some day.
Have a nice day.
RAY
Have a nice day.
RAY
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 13, 2010, 12:55:28 PM
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 13, 2010, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: Silver5oh;314000
Seriously? Trying to make myself feel more adequate by swapping in a V8? Is that kind of like trying to keep up with the "Jones'" type slam? Please.....I own an 86 Mercury Capri that is faster than 90% of the Mustangs in my area, yet when I have it out and about, the average person doesn't know the first thing about it. Try taking it to the Mid-America Shelby meet and be put in the "Special Interest" class and get parked along side a 6-figure fully restored 66 Galaxie 7-Liter...been there.....or how about next to a Pantera? They look at my Capri like it's another used car. Don't tell me about building something to try to "fit in"!! The truth be told, I gave the 2.3T some credit for mileage and durability, that doesn't mean I HAVE to keep it in MY car, whether it's tuned correctly or not, mine's a tired oil burning weak and slow 4-cylinder....and, since I have a few extra 5.0 T-5 set ups laying around, it's going to get swapped out some day.
Have a nice day.
RAY
You have a Turbo Capri? Wow! Nice ride! You don't see those around much. You know, if it's burning oil like that, I think the best thing to do would be to give the car to me. You don't want a car like that. :)
I feel bad now, because I never wanted this thread to turn morass like this. I thought we were above this kind of elitist . As long as you like your ride, that's all that matters. Let's save the callow rhetoric for the Mustang forums.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Silver5oh on March 14, 2010, 02:52:05 PM
Post by: Silver5oh on March 14, 2010, 02:52:05 PM
Ok, let me clear something up.....My THUNDERBIRD is a Turbo car while my CAPRI is a factory 5.0 5spd car (one of 3,303 built in 86). Sorry for the confusion there. BTW-Turbo Capri's were only built up until 1984 while the SVO Mustang took over the 2.3T duties until 86 along side the Turbo Birds.
The Turbo Coupe was parked about 2-1/2 years ago when when I bought my 99 Crown Vic Police Interceptor as a DD because it was burning oil and the gas mileage was going down, so yes...it needed a good tune up and some maintenance. I actually looked into some performance parts for it and quickly realized I could swap in a V8 for less money and have something I personally know alot about.....I'm not too familiar with 2.3Turbo's compared to the venerable V8.
I appreciatte you trying to turn this around and it not turn into a screaming match!! LOL
My only point was I love my Bird's appearance and the "sports car/performance" items it came with (5-speed, sway bars, quad shocks etc) but I still prefer the low end grunt of a well built V8....Turbo lag's not my favorite thing during spirited driving and dollar for dollar, a 5.0 seems the most realistic than rebuilding a 2.3T. I know it may be frowned upon by others...but as said before...this is a hobby where we should all be able to build our cars into what we want, right?
Later, RAY
The Turbo Coupe was parked about 2-1/2 years ago when when I bought my 99 Crown Vic Police Interceptor as a DD because it was burning oil and the gas mileage was going down, so yes...it needed a good tune up and some maintenance. I actually looked into some performance parts for it and quickly realized I could swap in a V8 for less money and have something I personally know alot about.....I'm not too familiar with 2.3Turbo's compared to the venerable V8.
I appreciatte you trying to turn this around and it not turn into a screaming match!! LOL
My only point was I love my Bird's appearance and the "sports car/performance" items it came with (5-speed, sway bars, quad shocks etc) but I still prefer the low end grunt of a well built V8....Turbo lag's not my favorite thing during spirited driving and dollar for dollar, a 5.0 seems the most realistic than rebuilding a 2.3T. I know it may be frowned upon by others...but as said before...this is a hobby where we should all be able to build our cars into what we want, right?
Later, RAY
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 14, 2010, 03:49:26 PM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 14, 2010, 03:49:26 PM
I've used several automatic and 5 speed TC as daily drivers(owned 14 total), basically for me, it's too much car, not enough engine... The 5-speeds are peppy and can be fun but AFAIC, there is no replacement for displacement...
Most of the fast TC's are gutted or stripped of their A/C, ABS, etc for weight reduction, on the other hand my Bird is full weight and all creature comforts are functioning(OK one of the power door locks has failed, but it's still in there, on my to do list)...
I have one and it ain't a TC(actually I do have a stock TC, not licensed though)...
http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/cobra1.jpg
Most of the fast TC's are gutted or stripped of their A/C, ABS, etc for weight reduction, on the other hand my Bird is full weight and all creature comforts are functioning(OK one of the power door locks has failed, but it's still in there, on my to do list)...
Quote from: oldraven;313992
I would always look for an unmodified 'factory performance' car.
I have one and it ain't a TC(actually I do have a stock TC, not licensed though)...
http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/cobra1.jpg
Title: Just out of the curiosity....
Post by: RoyLPita on March 16, 2010, 09:12:22 AM
Post by: RoyLPita on March 16, 2010, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;314167
I've used several automatic and 5 speed TC as daily drivers(owned 14 total), basically for me, it's too much car, not enough engine... The 5-speeds are peppy and can be fun but AFAIC, there is no replacement for displacement...
Most of the fast TC's are gutted or stripped of their A/C, ABS, etc for weight reduction, on the other hand my Bird is full weight and all creature comforts are functioning(OK one of the power door locks has failed, but it's still in there, on my to do list)...
I have one and it ain't a TC(actually I do have a stock TC, not licensed though)...
http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/cobra1.jpg
Do you have pics of the TC?
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 16, 2010, 09:42:20 AM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 16, 2010, 09:42:20 AM
It's the red one in the five Birds pict...
under hood... Whew that's a big pict, changed to link...
http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/P1180127.JPG
Sold this one to a buddy a couple weeks ago...
(http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/88tc3z.jpg)
under hood... Whew that's a big pict, changed to link...
http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/P1180127.JPG
Sold this one to a buddy a couple weeks ago...
(http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/88tc3z.jpg)
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: RoyLPita on March 16, 2010, 10:02:27 AM
Post by: RoyLPita on March 16, 2010, 10:02:27 AM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;314399
It's the red one in the five Birds pict...
under hood... Whew that's a big pict, changed to link...
http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/P1180127.JPG
Sold this one to a buddy a couple weeks ago...
(http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/88tc3z.jpg)
Thanx for the pic.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: bhazard on March 16, 2010, 10:30:56 AM
Post by: bhazard on March 16, 2010, 10:30:56 AM
All I know is my TC ran 14.7's with the IHI and intercooler coupler working its way off. I also wasnt exactly shifting in a sporty manner. I've since acquired a steeda tri-ax that lets me shift much quicker.
I have a t3/t4 laying around that I could put on and adapt my stinger downpipe to. With a ported out mani the spool shouldnt be *too* much slower than my IHI on the unported mani. I already have full boost at like 2500 if Im into it hard.
That would probably get me low-14's if not better. A better intercooler setup would be even better yet.
All with parts that are either laying around or can be had cheap.
I dont think a 5.0 could get me there as cheap. Figure $200 for exhaust, $150 for used turbo, $50 for a used downpipe elbow, maybe $100 for an intercooler setup, though you can get them much cheaper if you look around. What can you do to a 5.0 for $500?
I have a t3/t4 laying around that I could put on and adapt my stinger downpipe to. With a ported out mani the spool shouldnt be *too* much slower than my IHI on the unported mani. I already have full boost at like 2500 if Im into it hard.
That would probably get me low-14's if not better. A better intercooler setup would be even better yet.
All with parts that are either laying around or can be had cheap.
I dont think a 5.0 could get me there as cheap. Figure $200 for exhaust, $150 for used turbo, $50 for a used downpipe elbow, maybe $100 for an intercooler setup, though you can get them much cheaper if you look around. What can you do to a 5.0 for $500?
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: RoyLPita on March 16, 2010, 12:03:00 PM
Post by: RoyLPita on March 16, 2010, 12:03:00 PM
Has anyone here used the adjustable camshaft gear on their Turbo Coupe? I was thinking of that with a Gillis Valve. However, this is for one with the automatic. Thoughts?
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 16, 2010, 12:55:05 PM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on March 16, 2010, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: bhazard;314404
What can you do to a 5.0 for $500?
Not much if you buy new parts like I did, I have approx $3500 it the 5.0, but money was never the question... Wanted a nice, powerful driver with a AUTOMATIC transmission, drove mostly stick shifts for the 33 years prior to converting mine to V8/AOD, never been sorry...
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 16, 2010, 05:36:09 PM
Post by: Kitz Kat on March 16, 2010, 05:36:09 PM
I don't have oil leaks, and I know My cam isn't going to spit a rocker without notice. 2.3's are cool when they run .
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: fordguy545 on March 16, 2010, 06:51:31 PM
Post by: fordguy545 on March 16, 2010, 06:51:31 PM
^sure, it'll just toss a pushrod when it feels like it. I'm running a adjustable cam gear and it can definately change where the powerband is. I was running mine 4* advanced the later half of last year compensating for my leaking wastegate. Probably put it back to straight up or retarded a little this year. But then again, I'm not running anything close to a stock cam either. My little 4 cylinder sounds like a 5.0 at idle! Also lets see you make 3hp/ci in a 5L and not break in half after a couple runs, lol
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: bhazard on March 16, 2010, 06:54:19 PM
Post by: bhazard on March 16, 2010, 06:54:19 PM
Well I guess the 2.3 is more suited to someone like me who doesnt have a lot of money to throw into the car. Cheap speed.
Title: Oh Boy!
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 16, 2010, 09:33:03 PM
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 16, 2010, 09:33:03 PM
I see this thread is starting to get ugly again. :(
Changing gears; can any of you 2.3T enthusiasts tell me what kind of power-handling capabilities a 2.3T block has? How much power can the internals handle. From what I think I understand, their pretty stout..
Changing gears; can any of you 2.3T enthusiasts tell me what kind of power-handling capabilities a 2.3T block has? How much power can the internals handle. From what I think I understand, their pretty stout..
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: fordguy545 on March 16, 2010, 09:50:00 PM
Post by: fordguy545 on March 16, 2010, 09:50:00 PM
400's safe. 500's probably getting near the edge for the rod bolts. Although throw some arp rodbolts in and guys have made 585 on video, probably more than that. The actual block can take 800+ I would guess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv1-omYCb9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv1-omYCb9c
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 16, 2010, 10:18:16 PM
Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on March 16, 2010, 10:18:16 PM
800 hp? Wow! Buy 4 strong, aftermarket rods and you've got an almost bullet-proof bottom end depending on how much power the crank can hold. I'm liking these motors more and more.
Of course, I always want a V8 Bird, but man! I sure would like to have a built, 2.3T Bird too.
Of course, I always want a V8 Bird, but man! I sure would like to have a built, 2.3T Bird too.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: t3skidoo on March 17, 2010, 12:34:10 AM
Post by: t3skidoo on March 17, 2010, 12:34:10 AM
Just 800? The Hubers are making more than that.
From what I've read about the factory equipment, rod bolts are the weakest link, then the rods. If I manage to break mine (Crower Sportsmans), I'll be calling Carillo (and playing the lottery to pay for it).
From what I've read about the factory equipment, rod bolts are the weakest link, then the rods. If I manage to break mine (Crower Sportsmans), I'll be calling Carillo (and playing the lottery to pay for it).
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: fordguy545 on March 17, 2010, 01:26:05 AM
Post by: fordguy545 on March 17, 2010, 01:26:05 AM
I knew Huber was up there, but wasnt sure if he went to a aftermarket block or not.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: t3skidoo on March 17, 2010, 03:23:56 AM
Post by: t3skidoo on March 17, 2010, 03:23:56 AM
I believe it is a tall deck.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: Cougar8775 on March 17, 2010, 11:05:44 AM
Post by: Cougar8775 on March 17, 2010, 11:05:44 AM
the more i read this thread on the 2.3T im concidering building mine up. Get another engine of coarse and just go at it.
Title: True Turbo Coupes
Post by: T-BirdX3 on March 17, 2010, 11:58:22 AM
Post by: T-BirdX3 on March 17, 2010, 11:58:22 AM
Search for Huber's 1000 HP, 2.3 powered, stang on youtube. There is several nice videos of him at the track. It is (from what I have read) a street legal 1000 horse high 8 second car with the full interior still. I love his wheelies! :D