I'm looking for a nice set of alum heads.. Anyone?
does you wife know your on the message board looking for head? i'm tellin :crazy:
how much are you planing to spend? new edelbrock heads are about $1200.00 for the pair to your door. the ones you want are 60379
or you can get these for about $300.00 less for the pair but do not proform as was as the edelbrock heads but they are aluminum.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7969744922&category=33617
Nick
:rollin: How you been Nick? It's been a while
I'm looking to get rid of these E7's. I guess your an edelbrock guy you didn't meantion trick flow or afr's whats your take on these heads... Which ones are the 60379? I'm looking in the summit catalog and I only see 60259, 60269. Which brings me to my next question Do I want pedestal mount or stud mouinted rockers?
:crazy: Ok I see the 60379's My eyes were half shut :hick: The 190/160's would be better for me I guess.
I already have a cobra intake, So what cam,rockers,push rods with these heads?
AFR's are very good heads but for a while they've bin known to use junk valve springs.and for trick flow.. for meny years they bin known to tear up vilve guides.. i just feel that the edelbrock is the safest bet when it comes to bolt on and race heads.. for rockers i would go with ford motorsport 1.6 ratio and make sure you get a set of harded pushrods too..get a trick flow stage one cam.. thats what Tommy and I are useing .. it's a great street cam builds good power and just has a slite lope..
any other questions ask away ;)
Nick
also, with AFR, you get a decent head, but you have horrible company backing
no garentee's, bad customer service, and their heads have been lacking lately, no new developments, so theyve been using all the same designs for quite a while now
I'm sure I could come up with a cheap pair of aluminum heads for you... from a 3.8 :D
Bought a set of 60379 used eddy performers myself a few months ago along with many other parts,heads cost me 850shipped with 1.6 fms roller rockers.
Will be using 1.7 cobra rockers pedestal mount with the stock cam,should bump up the lift.027" to about .477" lift.
Was gonna change the cam but it's so much extra work i decided against it,i should net around 300-325hp with the stock cam and if i changed to an e-303 or stage 1 trick flow 350hp would probably be in my future.
With a fairly stock aod(exception of superior shift kit i just installed and 2200rpm stall)i would start to get worried about trans problems at 350hp,with around 300hp i should be good as a stock 5.0l aod is supposed to be rated to around 300hp.
O and if your looking for heads the classified section on http://www.corral.net is awesome,where i picked mine up,cheap.
Yeah theres a guy I'm talking to today about a set.. Any tips for a safe sale? I don't want to get screwed. He told me to make him an offer. I hate when people do that.. just tell me how much $$ lol... I'll let him sit for a day now...
Best tip is only pay through paypal.
I did and that's how i pay for all of my stuff off of corral and ebay.
If you don't recieve the item then you can file a chargeback with them,and will recieve your money if the seller cannot provide a tracking#, and as we all know,if there is a tracking# the item is as good as in your hands,eventually! LOL
Offer him 750.00,it's about the going price for those.
If you can find a set with roller rockers like i did for an extra 100bucks,even better.
Sell the rockers if not needed and make back some cash.
Mine came with 1.6 roller fms rockers which i did not need as i am using crane cobra 1.7s,sold them locally for 150cdn(about 125us)so i only paid 725.00 for my heads.
Ebay tends to suck for heads,they go for way more money than the corral,eddy's usally sell for upwards of 850.00 used with no rockers.
Also when buying heads remember this:
Heads 750.00
Arp bolts,bushings for aluminum heads 100.00
Head gaskets(depending on heads)my o-ringed eddy's need special 100.00 gaskets.
Intake,exauste and rocker cover gaskets 50-100.
Machine shop work,checking for flatness,cracks,valve sealing and cleanup.
I work in a shop as a tech so i fortunatley have accsess to cleaning machines and valve spring tools so i fully disassembled my heads and cleaned them thourouly before sending them to the machine shop.
Still cost me 130cdn to get them checked out,luckly there mint and have been given the green light but if valve work had of been required the price would have increased quite a bit.
So all in total i'm up to about 1400cdn to buy,check and install my heads,just be prepared for the additional expenses,i wasn't.
To refine that advice further, pay with your credit card through PayPal. If you use paypal funds or a bank account, even if you do a chargeback you'll only get your money if the seller has it in his PayPal account (highly unlikely - if he's out to con you he'll yank that $$ out as soon as you pay it). If you use a credit card through PayPal, however, you can do a credit card chargeback if PayPal won't give you the money. PayPal would not like it, but anything that PayPal off has to be a good thing anyway...
Thanks for the tips guys. I just have to get a credit card now :rollin: I got rid of them all over a year ago. Shouldn't take too long for them to send me one out.
He sent me pics.. what you guys think.. He says they are fresh from the machine shop ready to go..
and one more...
dude i think i filled the cup.
those heads look like 60259's"old6025's" they have 2.02 intake valves and 1.60 exhaust valves.. i feel their to big.. but i stated that about 2 years ago when it came to Ed's car.how much does this guy want for them?
He wants an offer Nick... He said shipping would run me $40... Here's the link..http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=640825
read the thread.. ;)
it's possable that it's just a basic casting. i never looked on my heads to see what number is stamped on it... i just saw that those where stamped 6025.. but i would just make sure what your getting before you buy..meaning valve size.. if he wants to much for them. it's not worth it since new ones are under $1300.00 shiped to your door step..
i would just out right ask him what he wants for them instead of the back in forth with make an offer.. ask him whats his bottom line..
if he wants between $600.00 and $800.00 cool maybe $900.00 tops and they better be damm good heads.. for that price used.. but any more i'd just say screw it and buy new ones..
Nick
I was thinking the same thing. Plus If I get screwed out of say $800 I can forget about getting heads at all this year. So I really can't risk it with anyone I don't know. I have little over 2 grand to buy heads,cam,rockers,push rods, gaskets, timing chain,injectors, and ma meter.... I'm reusing my cobra intake and 65mm tb.
65mm throttle body fine you won't need bigger..
now you say you have a little over 2G's to spend ok..
60379 heads, $1300.00
ford motorsport 1.6 roller rockers.. i don't remember the right price buy they are under $300.00 :EDIT: summit $249.95
push rods, about, $50.00
cam trick, flow stage 1..$139.95
ford motorsport timming chain, about $70.00
ford motorsport injectors, $219.00
gaskets about $50.00 for all of them...
mass air meter, i would only use PRO M but their OOB! :disappoin
so punt!!! on that one.. or try ebay for one..
total with out the meter is 2078.95 + tax or shiping new total is ..$2028.90
ALL BRAND NEW!!!not bad..
Nick
While that is all true, you can buy the rockers off of ebay for about 100-150,you won't need hardened pushrods as the eddy heads don't require them and injectors you can pick up off of the corral for 100.00.
everything else i would go new,and in that 2078 est there was no price of a maf meter,used c&l will run you 150.00 with power tube.
So all that being said if you knock off 270.00 for the used part portion you can get your meter and still be able to afford the 100.00 arp head bolt kit you need for those heads.
As for the pics of those heads,they definetly have been sandblasted,decked and checked for cracks(pretty sure valves/seats have been done as they have been at the machine shop).
All in all they look to be mint,checked used heads,if he wants 750-850 i would definetly pick them up and save yourself an additional 500.00 on the heads and go get yourself an icecream with the extra cash you saved.
O and 6025 is stamped into all of eddelbrocks ford castings,they then take the casting and machine it for whatever application it will be used for.
I thought the same thing when i got my heads so i called edelbrock and that is what they told me.
One last thing,since the heads have been decked(and they have)you must find out exactly how much and then use the appropriate shims under your pedestal mount rocker arms to adjust pushrod height.
Ok I got a price, $750 shipped.. I just emailed to ask how much the heads were decked...
ok, he emailed me back and says:
the heads had about 5 thousanths taken off of each one.
So does this matter? I don't know I haven't played with engines or heads in like 8 years :(
help me out what you guys think? buy em?
at this point it's all up to you.. your call...
with .005 off each should'nt be bad at all maybe a cc or two off cc's from 60cc's that they are milled at from edelbrock..
and on one small note i said $2078.00 with out the mass air not with it ;) and as far as C&L:yuck: i plea the fifth
oh and add ARP head bolt to your list like dominator said ;)
Nick
750 shipped,GOOD DEAL,i would buy them up.
Essentially your getting a set of heads that have had all the machine work done,are guarenteed flat and him throughing in the shipping is perfect.
As for the .005" decking,i'm not sure at what point you have to use the shims,if you talk to your local machine shop they should be able to help you out. :D
If you go to cranecams website you can get the instructions on how to install your rocker arms.
They say that when you torque the rockers down to:
Turn the bolt by hand until there is no clearance between the front roller and the valve stem with both valves in the closed camshaft position(compression stroke).
Slowly torque the bolts down to 18-20ft/lbs approx 1/4 to 1 turn.
If you can turn the bolts more than 1 turn to acheive torque you will have to shim the pedestal,a thick shim represents 1 turn.
That is basically quoted from there instructions i printed off.
The .005 ain't nuthin', I had my Trick flows cut .010 when I had the heads off a couple of years ago..
Iv trying to get him down to $700 for shiznits and giggles. I'm really in no rush so if it doesn't work than I'll go for $725 with the old meet me half way line... wish me luck :)
Wow that was easy just got off the phone with him.. $700 shipped, heads ship out tomorrow at noon :)
Sweet,awesome deal man,hope they work out well for ya,i'll post results on mine when i do my mods in a few weeks.
thanks, what mods you got planned?
76mm c&l with power tube.
cobra upper and lower intakes,lightly ported
70mm throttle body
24lb injectors
kirban adj billet fuel press reg
1/2" heat spacer.
edelbrock performer alum 60379 heads,lightly ported
1 5/8" unequal shorty ceramic coated headers
1.7 ratio cobra roller rockers
155lph walbro fuel pump
superior aod hp shift kit
Already have the HO conversion in my TC as well as full mac mustang exauste,modded to fit,maf conversion,A9P eec and 3.73 rear end helps out quite a bit too.
Sounds good, are mods are pretty similar except I have no port work and I guess I'll be ruinning a tfs stage 1 cam. Let us know how it comes out...
I'm shooting for doing all this May 6 and 7... and May 8 is gonna be wash day and cruise time.. oh yeah and some smokey burnouts....
May 9 will be new tires day :)
Ive milled my Windsor Jrs about .030, and they started with 58cc chambers lol. You can mill OHV heads up to .040-.045 or until the intake ports dont line up. Even then, they can be angle cut to allow the ports to still remain aligned. Just FYI.
Are the heads you are buying pedestal mount or stud mount? I have a set of Performer heads as well. Edelbrock used the SAME casting number. "6025" on all their heads even the Victor Jr.'s so dont go buy that number. On Edelbrocks their is a couple of ways to determine what you have:
1. Does it have EGR provision on the intake side of the head?
2. Is it pedestal or stud mount?
3. The "E" casting with the circle around it notes that it is the newer casting (01 and newer I think, dont quote me) which Eedelbrock improved flow characteristics then the non E heads. Not by much but a little.
4. Measure the intake valves. Performers(RPM's as well) came with either 1.90 or 2.02" valves.
How to identify if you have Performer, Performer RPM and Performer 5.0/5.8 heads? Easy:
All Performer heads are 3/8" stud mounted AND have EGR ports.
All Performer RPM heads are 3/8" stud mounted AND have NO EGR ports. Both of these heads can come in either 1.90 or 2.02" valves.
All performer 5.0/5.8 heads are pedestal mount, can come with 1.90 or 2.02" valves and have EGR ports. All the headbolt holes are 1/2" and you have to use the bushings only if you are installing them on a 289/302. All these heads have 170cc intake port chambers as well. They all have 60cc chamber volume heads too.
Now for the weird part. Victor Jr's. The older casting Vic Jr's said "Performer" on the head and not "Victor Jr". The easiest way to tell is to look at the raised exhaust ports on the heads:
All Performers:
(http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/autopartsphotos/heads/sb_ford_callouts.jpg)
Victor Jr's:
(http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/autopartsphotos/heads/77189_callouts2.jpg)
Look at the Victor Jr exhaust port and see how its raised? The only reason why I mention this is because my friend bought a set that said Performer on the side. He assumed he had Performer heads then he measured the intake valve which came to 2.05". He thought someone put bigger valves in which was not the case. He measured the exhaust ports and they where raised like picture. Hope this helps!
James
One more thing. Can any of you mods make this a sticky in the "Hits, tips and near misses"? Many people including myself have been through the Edelbrock casting numbers which are false.
Thanks, James