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An armed society makes a civil society!

I realized what girl would buy a gun for their boyfriend for xmas.

Funny, I always thought a civil society was one where people didn't pull knives and guns on each other. Silly, I know.

Someone who accosts you has by the very nature of their crime breached the common laws of society and decency. Therefore, it is not incumbent on you to attempt to act civilly in the face of mortal danger, but rather it is up to you to decide whether or not their plans will go smoothly for them.

You can choose to appease them and in doing so you will condemn their next intended victim to the same ill treatment they intend to inflict upon you, or you can stand and fight even though the odds may be against you. If you fight, it is not only in your best interest to be as prepared as you possibly can be, but it is also in the best interest of any victim that might come after you if you were to fail in your fight.

Yes, you may indeed need to take the life of your attacker, but it is not you who decided that such rules were to be broken. Instead, it was your attacker who made this decision, and who must then be the receiver of all the consequences of his actions, intended or not.

Happy New Year!
Bill

Yeah, whatever, man. Happy New Year.

I think everyone has a right to self defense...legally.

With that said, I posted this as funny, nothing more. I'm pro-NRA, but that isn't why I posted it lol

Anyway, it would be a total nut bust to the perp if it WERE true ;):rollin:

Yes, you may indeed need to take the life of your attacker, but it is not you who decided that such rules were to be broken. Instead, it was your attacker who made this decision, and who must then be the receiver of all the consequences of his actions, intended or not.

Defending one's self is not breaking the rules.  All that OTHER stuff afterward....

May you never live to regret that you could have done something to stop the crime that came after the one perpetrated upon yourself.

Happy New Year!
Bill

I won't. I live in a civil society. :hick: One murder about every decade around here, never by bullet, and killed by a mugger is unheard of. It's usually a result of a brawl. As in, you only need to worry if you go looking for trouble. I would be more valid in worrying about getting eaten by a Coyote or hit by falling rocks.

It's not so bad here in Nova Scotia. It's a lot colder in places like Michigan and Ohio. It's hovering around the freezing mark this week, which is pretty decent for January. Flurries at night and melts in the day. After living in the nearly permafrost Edmonton, it's downright balmy.

And Happy New Year. :)

Funny, I always thought a civil society was one where people didn't pull knives and guns on each other. Silly, I know.

I won't. I live in a civil society. :hick: One murder about every decade around here, never by bullet, and killed by a mugger is unheard of. It's usually a result of a brawl. As in, you only need to worry if you go looking for trouble. I would be more valid in worrying about getting eaten by a Coyote or hit by falling rocks.

On the other hand, it's sad that anyone thinks this story is great, since the guy with the gun ended up MUGGING the guy with the knife. Who's the good guy? It's funny for a second, until you stop and think about it. He held the guy at gun point and took his stuff. What a hero.

Back to topic. I think that the point of the posting was to make a little fun of someone who unexpectedly got what they were intending on giving.

Yeah, the "actions" of the would-be victim are at best unlawful, and worst no better than the "perp"...when did it become a crime to defend oneself?

OK. You win.

Sorry FordTruckFreak. I didn't say anything about gun laws either, but if you're not praising guns when someone brings up the topic, you must want them banned all over the world. I also didn't say anything about Canada, I was talking about the area I live in, which doesn't reflect the rest of the nation, or even other provinces.

I did laugh when I first read it. I just thought about it for a minute. You know where that can get you. ;)

The sad part is, you really feel this way. The originator of the crime is a scum bag. Apparently you would be pleased with the situation if the "victim" was unarmed, and the knife wielding dousche robbed, him and shanked him. Obviously, the guy took his defense to far and made some bad judgments (assuming any of it is real). Would you feel better if he just told him to go away? Was it justified, well i bet, and hope the thief learned a life lesson. Hadn't he initiated a crime, none of it would have happened. He is lucky to be alive.

The laughable part is mr raven thinks the guy is a victim, and he doesn't think one needs to be able to defend them self.

Dangerous people like him in the states are the ones attacking our rights, and when/if the 2nd goes down they will all fall like dominoes.

I apologize for my involvement in the thread derailing though i doubt you will get that from oldraven.

This could be just as fake as the "email" but hey, s@ happens. Id be interested to see what his thoughts are on this:
probably NSFW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh_gL7Az53o&feature=related

They have however proven themselves to be unworthy of the trust that is given every free citizen and therefore must be incarcerated for some duration until such time as they can again be trusted.

I didn't say anything about gun laws either, but if you're not praising guns when someone brings up the topic, you must want them banned all over the world. I also didn't say anything about Canada, I was talking about the area I live in, which doesn't reflect the rest of the nation, or even other provinces. Anyway, Shame, you let me worry about saying what I think, because you obviously don't do a very good job of doing it for me. I didn't say anyone was a victim, or that I thought the guy shouldn't have defended himself, or any of the other words you put in my mouth. What you are doing is what people call 'demonising'. I say something about civil society, you fill in the rest. I still believe civil society is about how people treat each other, not what they point at each other. All you've proved to me is that NRA zealots are insane.

Criminals are not necessarily scumbags who deserve to be thrown into pits and torn apart by fighting animals. They have however proven themselves to be unworthy of the trust that is given every free citizen and therefore must be incarcerated for some duration until such time as they can again be trusted. In some cases, there is no time when they can safely be released, and they must therefore be incarcerated for the rest of their lives. In either case, this should not be done in a vindictive manner, but rather because they simply must be removed from society in order for society to remain free and open.

If we turn our penal system into some sort of vindication system, we might as well go all the way and build a Colosseum in each state where criminals can fight it out with each other, victims and victims' families giving the thumbs up or down to spare or execute at the end of each battle. We would be no better than the criminals themselves, and perhaps worse.

In a perfect society no one would ever need to be armed, but then again, in a perfect society no one would really care if anyone else were armed. In any case, the purpose of being armed is to protect life and property, and not to one up the criminal or to get some sort of thrill out of turning the tables. To take another human's life, while sometimes necessary, is never an enjoyable aspect of any rational human's life.

I have smoke detectors and fire extinguishers, and I hope like hell that I never have to use them. In our bedroom I have a fire-blanket and a fire extinguisher, and I pray I never have to use the combination. And in a quick action safe I keep a Smith & Wesson .45acp, with a flashlight, all next to my cell phone, and I fervently pray I never need to utilize that combination. I recognize my responsibility to my family and society, but I pray I will never be called upon to exercise it.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

Yes but we have to recognize that in the moment, it IS a life and death situation. If it were me being held up, i would not be thinking about calling the police, or the criminals incarceration.

Its best said, Hope for the best, plan/prepare for the worst.

If we turn our penal system into some sort of vindication system, we might as well go all the way and build a Colosseum in each state where criminals can fight it out with each other, victims and victims' families giving the thumbs up or down to spare or execute at the end of each battle. We would be no better than the criminals themselves, and perhaps worse.

Seriously, thats when you smile and wave and walk away. Just because the guy has a knife dosen't mean your life is in danger.

I found nothing wrong with retaliating and defending himself and his girlfriend..

I didn't like the mugging part. Two wrongs

I think the problem is the fact that some may not have understood that.

I found nothing wrong with retaliating and defending himself and his girlfriend. I didn't like the mugging part. Two wrongs.

I have said in fact? Find me one post where I have said, at any time in the past, that people shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms.

concealed carry being an issue of yours. you are saying that:
 
A. id rather it be law that anyone carrying MUST have weapon in question in plain veiw.
 
B. id rather it be unlawful for anyone to carry a weapon on them.

And yes, Shame, my pick would be B, for taking the right to carry a concealed weapon, or just a gun in general, around the streets with you. We have that law here, and I honestly have never heard a Canadian complain that they weren't allowed to carry one around to protect themselves on a daily basis.

Every post I've made so far has been about assault weapons and carrying a concealed weapon off of your property.

I'm showing support of removing concealed weapons and assault rifles from the hands of average citizens. Civilians.

It's more the idea that you can never tell who's packing. Being on the bus and thinking "There are at least 8 handguns within 12' of me right now."

I just will never get the entire gun culture, when it comes to carrying one with you on a daily basis. It freaks me out to think of it

For sure. If people read the words in front of them without drawing any other conclusions, there's a better understanding.

Funny, I always thought a civil society was one where people didn't pull knives and guns on each other. Silly, I know.

Again, let me say it as clearly as possible. I do not agree with an all out ban on guns. There, no more confusion. Please don't reply and tell me that you still think I do, because I just told you I didn't.

I'm showing support of removing concealed weapons and assault rifles from the hands of average citizens. Civilians.

It's more the idea that you can never tell who's packing. Being on the bus and thinking "There are at least 8 handguns within 12' of me right now."

I just will never get the entire gun culture, when it comes to carrying one with you on a daily basis. It freaks me out to think of it.

Who the shag needs AK-47 or an AR15 to hunt deer with?
The caliber of those are way too small to be effective against a dangerous animal, such a Cape Buffalo, or a Grizzly.
The military may need them, the average hunter does not.
Let alone a civilian looking for a new way to impress his buddies.
I can (and will) personally say that an AK is almost useless for anything other than throwing some lead out in front of you. I';ve shot one. Put 50 or 60 rounds through it. Was NOT impressed.
Hit the paper twice, what a f*ckin' waste of time.
I rest my case, lol.

It's all in your comfort zone, and what you are familiar with.

One thing that may seem pushy though...enroll your children in a firearms safety class...better for them to know how to safely and properly handle a firearm if the need ever arise, than to have a tragedy.

At first I was thinking "holy shiznit this is good", then I realized what girl would buy a gun for their boyfriend for xmas. I figured ok well it IS the states so maybe it's not that far fetched. But the part about the FBI, yeah I'd like to see someone try to attempt a call like that in real life even as a joke and see what happens to them. But it lost me at the P.S. part, that definitely is some NRA brainwash BS.