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Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: 83-88T-Bird Guy on December 29, 2009, 11:03:40 AM
Recently I was sping off all the old window tint on my black 87 TC with 67K miles and noticed that this particular car does not have a rear window defogger.

I have owned over 17 of the 87-88 TCs over the years and this is a first for me.

How odd is this ? I thought that the defroster was standard, but I guess not.
This car from the best I can tell only has 2 options...the auto trans and graphic equalizer stereo.


Oddly, I bought a 95 Mustang GT last december and it too does not have the rear window defogger.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/83-88T-BirdGuy/Dec09BlackTCpics022.jpg)
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on December 29, 2009, 12:07:57 PM
I don't think it was std, but part of the 157A package that 99% of the TCs seem to have... Still even then, I believe it was possible to delete it for credit on another option, maybe the Graphic Eq??

I've only seen one TC that was minus the 157A package, had a radio with no tape and no power seat, unfortunately I can't remember if it had a RW defog...
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: 50tbrd88 on December 29, 2009, 02:26:26 PM
Interesting.  That's really odd looking without the rear window defroster switch.
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: jandmmustangs on December 29, 2009, 03:20:26 PM
Just one of those oddities.  My wife's 1996 V6 stang has PW,PL,AC,P Drivers seat, yada, yada, non tinted glass, and no rear window defogger.  Kinda strange considering it was a Florida car.
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: ProTouring442 on December 29, 2009, 03:36:07 PM
A lot of southern cars don't have rear window defrost. When looking for a new car for my Grandmother, who lives in Venice, FL, my father mentioned rear window defroster, and the salesman looked at him like he had green stuff coming out of his ears. Once he started looking around, her was surprised to see that most cars didn't have them.

Merry Christmas!
Bill
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: T-BirdX3 on December 29, 2009, 05:53:27 PM
Hey your oil level is low!!!      It is a first for me, I kinda thought it was standard equipment. Learn something new everday.
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 29, 2009, 06:06:22 PM
I think that's kinda rare. Then again I'm from up north where every car has a rear window defroster.

The 93 Buick Century I owned for a few years was a Texas car that had no rear window defroster. It sucked in the winter :hick:
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: FLSTCI71 on December 29, 2009, 09:32:28 PM
We have had a lot of 87/88 TCs and I have never seen one without a rear window defroster. But, as you probably already know, rare does NOT equal desirable. The reason almost every TC has a defroster is because almost every person who buys a TC wants a defroster. In other words, don't use it as a selling point. lol.
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: 84TBirdTurbo42 on December 30, 2009, 10:23:41 AM
my 84 doesnt have a defroster either, kinda sucks on the cold mornings in new york. But then again, i guess they didnt need them in hawaii.(where the car came from)
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: 83-88T-Bird Guy on December 30, 2009, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: FLSTCI71;304342
We have had a lot of 87/88 TCs and I have never seen one without a rear window defroster. But, as you probably already know, rare does NOT equal desirable. The reason almost every TC has a defroster is because almost every person who buys a TC wants a defroster. In other words, don't use it as a selling point. lol.


Understood...

However, I have no plans to sell the car. Actually it was a pleasant surprise to not have to se around the defrost wires. :D

Someone did not winterize the cooling system and now the block is cracked and leaking oil into the water jacket of the block below the # 2 spark plug.

Judging from what others have posted on here about southern cars not having RW defrosters, I would guess this car came from that area.


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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s3/83-88T-BirdGuy/Dec09BlackTCpics001.jpg)
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: jcassity on December 30, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
very nice bird!!!
and seat belt with no broke plastic:mad:
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on December 30, 2009, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: 83-88T-Bird Guy;304401

Judging from what others have posted on here about southern cars not having RW defrosters, I would guess this car came from that area.

What's the DSO??? On the door jam data sticker...

Here ya go, for a '88 possibly applies to a '87, check out note at bottom... Sorry the scan isn't a bit better...

(http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/special%20value.jpg)
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: 83-88T-Bird Guy on January 01, 2010, 01:05:32 PM
Thanks for scan !!

The numbers in the DSO block show:

F0057
R0051
46


????

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Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on January 01, 2010, 07:09:09 PM
The DSO(District Special Order) is 46 which is Indianapolis, assuming the special value program applied in '87 apparently the defogger was deleted for the EQ... I kinda expected to see a 24 which is the Jacksonville district...

BTW The car is not a special order, those have six digit DSO... The district and four digits, that are from what can tell, the sequence of special order... Or in other words, 460001 would be the first car delivered to the Indy district that was a special order... Special orders were pretty much gone by the '80s, exceptions were fleet vehicles... Back in the 60s/70s you could order about anything you wanted, like the charcoal gray paint on that Lincoln?? For a few $$ you could order your Torino, Mustang, etc with it...

Interestingly the '87 Shop Manual still shows 25 as the Richmond VA district(local) but I've never seen one, most all of the TCs I've had were Washington district 17(had a couple from other areas, daughters came from New York)... Same deal with the '93 & '07 Grand Marquis I own, DSO 17... Gotta feeling Richmond was adsorbed into other districts... I need to check my Lightning as it was originally sold in Richmond...
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: 83-88T-Bird Guy on January 02, 2010, 11:31:29 AM
Thanks for the info.

This car came from the Indiana area in Aug. 2006. I bought it 8 months later.

I knew there wasn't anything special about the car, except that it had low miles.
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on January 04, 2010, 10:56:01 PM
Great looking Bird! You can tell it has low miles. It's a shame about the block though, that really sucks.
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: 88FoxBird on January 10, 2010, 12:01:00 PM
Mine had no rear defrost, manual mirrors, buttstuffog clock, yet it still had all the other common options. Heck mine even says Ford on the door handles.
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: FLSTCI71 on January 10, 2010, 12:09:27 PM
Quote from: 88FoxBird;305841
Mine had no rear defrost, manual mirrors, buttstuffog clock, yet it still had all the other common options. Heck mine even says Ford on the door handles.

 
Manual mirrors? buttstuffog clock? On an 87/88 TC?
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on January 10, 2010, 01:25:52 PM
I've never heard or that before myself.
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: 88FoxBird on January 18, 2010, 10:08:06 PM
Mines not a TC unfortunately. Forgot this topic was geared more towards them. Still though, my car has been in ohio its whole life and it doesnt have rear defrost.
Title: How rare is a 87 TC without rear window defroster ?
Post by: Haystack on January 19, 2010, 08:37:04 PM
these cars are small enough inside that you really do not need a rear window defrost. Especially in the 83-86 cougars.