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Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: CBASS on December 27, 2009, 11:39:10 PM
Looks like Ford has brought the badges back on te new 5.0L GTs.  Good looking engine too.
http://jalopnik.com/5434086/2011-ford-mustang-gt-the-50-is-back?skyline=true&s=i (http://"http://jalopnik.com/5434086/2011-ford-mustang-gt-the-50-is-back?skyline=true&s=i")
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: Masejoer on December 27, 2009, 11:47:28 PM
Wow, that thing is sure crammed into that open space. Too bad it still won't have the low, low torque (and its related fuel economy) that made the original 5.0's so great. Of course they have 50 years and a few new tricks underneath it to get some of that back.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: jpc647 on December 28, 2009, 01:07:52 AM
ehhh. I don't know if i like it.
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Post by: shame302 on December 28, 2009, 01:34:22 AM
Finally, a mustang GT i would actually like to own. Whats not to like about 412 NA HP out of a high revving DOHC 5.0!
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Post by: Beau on December 28, 2009, 03:16:13 AM
:idhitit:
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Post by: V8Demon on December 28, 2009, 09:45:37 AM
6 forward gears automatic and manual. 
I MAY have 2 Mustangs by this time next year.....
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 83-88T-Bird Guy on December 28, 2009, 12:57:26 PM
I have been reading up on both of the 2011 Mustangs.

A V-6 that makes 305 hp AND 30 MPG with an automatic...WOW

And with the GT @ 412 HP on the motor is super impressive if they can keep the weight down.

Congrats to Ford for now having some ammo for the Pony car war. :D  (...or is that clidesdale war....)
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 86XR7project on December 28, 2009, 01:39:02 PM
If I made a hell of alot more I'd buy one. Valet's don't make much....
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: hammer on December 28, 2009, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: Seek;304168
Wow, that thing is sure crammed into that open space. Too bad it still won't have the low, low torque (and its related fuel economy) that made the original 5.0's so great. Of course they have 50 years and a few new tricks underneath it to get some of that back.


I think we will be surprised how much of this they will make up with the variable cam timing.  That and greater control over the ignition events will make the fuel economy much better too.

Hopefully I'll be able to afford a nice used 2011 GT when I graduate from chiropractic school in 4 years (I start Jan 12.).

-Rob
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: jpc647 on December 28, 2009, 02:09:14 PM
Quote from: shame302;304179
Finally, a mustang GT i would actually like to own. Whats not to like about 412 NA HP out of a high revving DOHC 5.0!


Don't you already own a GT? lol
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 86XR7project on December 28, 2009, 02:24:57 PM
Pretty sure his GT is alot better than a run of the mill Mustang GT.

4.6 DOHC swap IIRC Thats not really a GT anymore if you think about it.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: Beau on December 28, 2009, 03:05:02 PM
All I know is...I want one.

Where do I sign my soul away? :rollin:
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Post by: V8Demon on December 28, 2009, 03:32:03 PM
Video (http://www.listangs.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fordvideo1#p/u/1/zlR8hbpkHkw
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fordvideo1#p/u/0/IwvLEx10KgE
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: shame302 on December 28, 2009, 03:59:37 PM
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Video (http://www.listangs.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
7K always makes me cringe and smile every time. It's creepy and shagy all in one, like a really hot goth chick. I dream of a KB 2011 mustang GT.

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6 forward gears automatic and manual. 
I MAY have 2 Mustangs by this time next year.....
Must be nice! I hope the new engine is a success. Part of me expects that once they come out there will be some sort of fail hidden in the new car.

I'm actually kind of curious how they handle variable valve timing on a V8 DOHC engine. Havn't looked into it.

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Don't you already own a GT? lol   
Yup well, I should have been more clear and said, finally a factory mustang gt that i would actually like to own. The rest of them suck stock, though the 2005-2010 stang is very nice, It wouldn't tempt me away from my car. The '11 has that potential, though i like having something a little more personalized.

Stock 96-98 GTs are a joke and 99-04 GTs are....snore-ville. Nothing prior to that interests me either.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: amooset on December 28, 2009, 07:15:24 PM
Quote from: 86XR7project;304207
If I made a hell of alot more I'd buy one. Valet's don't make much....


Valets in Iowa don't make that much.  Try doing your job in Vegas; it's sure to pay more.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 20th anny 5.o on December 28, 2009, 07:25:26 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;304217
Video (http://www.listangs.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fordvideo1#p/u/1/zlR8hbpkHkw
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fordvideo1#p/u/0/IwvLEx10KgE


God makes me want to sell the 99 and spend another 20 years at sofos. But alas i will wait and go to college when i pay the 99 off.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 50tbrd88 on December 28, 2009, 09:13:30 PM
I call dibs on being the 1st one to put the new style 5.0 badges on their fox T-bird.  lol.

On a side note: I guess I will have to wait for some kid to wreck their old 2011 5.0 in the year 2021 and drop that motor into my '07.  Sucks for me that mine is 300 hp and now the V6 will eclipse that!!
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: jcassity on December 29, 2009, 01:49:28 AM
do we know the bell housing pattern?  same traditional 5.0? my diggin around says yes but not sure if i am right.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 88turbo on December 29, 2009, 02:35:14 AM
heres a better view of the new engine (http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20091228&Category=BUSINESS01&ArtNo=912280342&Ref=AR&Profile=1002&MaxW=600&MaxW=800&q=50)
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 88turbo on December 29, 2009, 02:39:21 AM
dyno video

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Post by: shame302 on December 29, 2009, 03:58:43 AM
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Gone is the Tremec 5-speed transmission and stepping up to the plate is a new Ford/Getrag MT82 6-speed close ratio manual transmission.  Gear ratios are: 3.66, 2.43, 1.69, 1.32, 1.00 and 0.65 for sixth.  Final drive ratio for manual cars is 3.31:1 but optional ratios will be available. A 6R80 6-speed automatic can also be ordered with: 4.17, 2.34, 1.52, 1.14, .87 and .69 gear ratios.  Automatic equipped vehicles get a 3.15:1 rear gear.
Very interesting gear ratios.

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An optional Brembo brake package is also available which will include 14” front rotors and 4-piston Brembo calipers borrowed from the GT-500.
Nice.

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Nestled between the strut towers is a new 5.0L (4,952cc / 302 ci) aluminum block capped by new compact 4-valve aluminum heads with Twin Independent-Variable Cam Timing. Compression is a lofty 11:1 which provides 405 horsepower on regular pump gas and 412 horsepower on premium. On premium or pump gas, however, the 2011 Mustang GT should still get at least a 25 MPG EPA rating.
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The new 5.0L engine is an all aluminum block, ribbed for strength and durability. It has been tested well beyond the published horsepower figures. Nodular iron main bearing caps with 4 bolts and cross bolts help to keep the fully counterweighted forged steel crank in place. High strength forged powdered metal rods with floating pins keep the hypereutectic pistons in place. Oil squirters spray oil on the underside of the piston crown keeping it cool, and allow lots of ignition timing to be added.
But we knew it was going to get budget rods and pistons anyway. The previous NA 4.6 rods cost ford around 7 dollars each where as the ones in the terminator were in the 50s. That would add up fast. That, and production numbers will be much higher than the terminator project i assume. The CR is high, but with the wideband the car will have and the new oil spray patten that sprays the underside of the piston, hopefully boost will still be safely manageable.

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Another great addition are specially tuned headers. According Mike Harrison, 5.0L Chief Engineer, “Every Mustang owner throws away the header. So we’re going to give them the headers they always wanted without needing buy aftermarket headers.” The headers provide significant torque at low speed because the pulses from the exhaust are separated from each other so there is no interference between exhaust events to interrupt the airflow. Only long tube headers will out perform the factory pieces.
Sweetness.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: thunderjet302 on December 29, 2009, 06:23:52 PM
Where are my pushrods? ;)
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: shame302 on December 29, 2009, 07:34:34 PM
In the trash can where they belong.:poke:
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: V8Demon on December 29, 2009, 08:31:36 PM
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Another great addition are specially tuned headers. According Mike Harrison, 5.0L Chief Engineer, “Every Mustang owner throws away the header. So we’re going to give them the headers they always wanted without needing buy aftermarket headers.”

Are they stainless?
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: shame302 on December 29, 2009, 08:55:00 PM
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Are they stainless?
I think so. They aren't cast, that's for sure.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/Confed/11Mustang_50L_23_HR.jpg)
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: shame302 on December 29, 2009, 09:05:39 PM
So far the thing that i really don't care for is that it looks like it runs a timing belt setup.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 86XR7project on December 30, 2009, 09:29:59 AM
Do you honestly think Ford would do that after running a chain belt for so long on the 4.6?
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Post by: shame302 on December 30, 2009, 10:13:51 AM
Yes, I wouldn't be surprised at all....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/Confed/ENGINESS.jpg)
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: jcassity on December 30, 2009, 12:01:35 PM
ford has really raised the bar, kinda kills my motivation on a pushrod motor anymore

seek, did you get a shot anywhere of the bell housing pattern?
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 86XR7project on December 30, 2009, 12:58:00 PM
Kinda lame that they would go to a belt like that...
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Post by: shame302 on December 30, 2009, 05:13:40 PM
LOLZ, yeah, honda guys will love that.
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Post by: Masejoer on December 30, 2009, 05:43:50 PM
I hate belts - "100k mile standard lifetime" for most economy cars doesn't mean much when it can get snapped back and forth at huge forces due to the quick torque changes these motors can make. Then again, I don't know what they use for belts now days and it very well could be stronger than affordable chains. Then again, chains also stretch and can go for longer change intervals, causing some nasty timing issues at older ages...not that most people care about a vehicle over 100k miles.

Any idea how much more quickly one of these belts may wear out with a driver that enjoys all their power on a daily basis? Someone here's got to know of some real world tests done by some company somewhere.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 88turbo on December 30, 2009, 06:07:01 PM
I really dont think they are using belts in these engines.  come on guys that engine looks like the Z-tec engine...  not anywhere close to looking like the new 5.0, I think they were using the pic as an example only. also sealing a belt up with aluminum covers where oil can get to them isnt a good idea. there is most likely a chain in there.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: V8Demon on December 30, 2009, 06:13:29 PM
Quote from: shame302;304336
So far the thing that i really don't care for is that it looks like it runs a timing belt setup.

After doing some searching I found that's a photo of Ford's 1.6L motor with TiVCT.  The 3.7 has a chain.  I would sincerely hope that after all the touting they've done for the rest of the engine; they would not skimp in this department.


More pictures.....
(http://us.tnpv.net/2009/FRD200912/FRD2009122782897_PV.jpg)
(http://us.tnpv.net/2009/FRD200912/FRD2009122783049_PV.jpg)
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(http://us.tnpv.net/2009/FRD200912/FRD2009122782592_PV.jpg)
(http://us.tnpv.net/2009/FRD200912/FRD2009122782504_PV.jpg)
(http://us.tnpv.net/2009/FRD200912/FRD2009122782628_PV.jpg)
(http://us.tnpv.net/2009/FRD200912/FRD2009122782570_PV.jpg)
(http://us.tnpv.net/2009/FRD200912/FRD2009122782598_PV.jpg)
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(http://us.tnpv.net/2009/FRD200912/FRD2009122782368_PV.jpg)
(http://us.tnpv.net/2009/FRD200912/FRD2009122782335_PV.jpg)



And a close up......
(http://www.carthrottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/5.0-3.jpg)
(http://www.carthrottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/5.0-4.jpg)
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: shame302 on December 30, 2009, 07:25:56 PM
I'm still hoping that its not true, but there IS alot of buzz about it. I wouldn't put it past ford to make such a move but I'm not convinced that the new engine has belts. The chain setup works rather well so why abandon it. I guess im just a little reluctant and I'm expecting "something" to be "up".
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: 302 PWR on December 30, 2009, 07:40:29 PM
Those badges would look sweet on the side of my '83 with new paint lol. That would be the closest I could get to a new 'Stang.
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: jcassity on December 30, 2009, 08:59:23 PM
wow, lifter/rocker/valve setup reminds me of the true link system.
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Post by: thunderjet302 on December 30, 2009, 10:38:12 PM
It's gotta be a chain drive system. The cam covers extend over the sprockets. They wouldn't do that if it was a belt drive.

They need to make the engine cover say "5.0 HO" ;)
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: shame302 on December 31, 2009, 01:28:42 AM
On another note, look how low and tucked in the engine is within the engine bay. [insert]droolies smiley here [/insert]
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Post by: Beau on December 31, 2009, 03:09:24 AM
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It's gotta be a chain drive system. The cam covers extend over the sprockets. They wouldn't do that if it was a belt drive.

They need to make the engine cover say "5.0 HO" ;)

X2...and uhhh, X2!
Title: 5.0 Badges are back
Post by: shame302 on December 31, 2009, 03:33:22 AM
I actually wish to hell they didn't go to a 5.0. It' just annoying. It'll do however.
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Post by: DVP on December 31, 2009, 04:15:34 AM
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Kinda lame that they would go to a belt like that...


60k tune ups!
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Post by: jcassity on December 31, 2009, 06:06:08 AM
Quote from: shame302;304560
On another note, look how low and tucked in the engine is within the engine bay. [insert]droolies smiley here [/insert]


gotta save room for the super charger,, cobra
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Post by: 50tbrd88 on December 31, 2009, 08:41:19 AM
I'm waiting for the day when someone goes to autozone to buy parts for the Mustang 5.0 (be it either a new or a fox) and they get all confused and give them the wrong parts.  Because you know that with two entirely different 5.0 motors both in Mustangs, some moron is gonna think that parts will interchange.  lol.
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Post by: 86XR7project on December 31, 2009, 09:44:45 AM
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60k tune ups!


Yeah that was annoying...
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Post by: 86XR7project on February 12, 2010, 10:33:40 PM
If anyone has read the new 5.0 magazine it shows that the new 5.0 Mod motor uses a chain and not a belt as mentioned in here. Thank god! I think I need to start saving my pennies. I must have one!
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Post by: Beau on February 12, 2010, 10:43:02 PM
What? The chain, or the car it goes on? ;)

I'll take one as well, if you're buying. Make mine red, please. :D:rollin:
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