I can't believe Ford is going for so much HP in the base Mustang for 2011:
http://www.fordvehicles.com/newsevents/news/newsdetail/?id=200&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eford%2Ecom&glbcmp=ford|home
Of course this makes me feel like a loser since my '07 GT only is rated at 300hp...but torque is what makes the wheels go 'round.
wow
:fordbang:
i wonder if the same technology will translate to the v8...
400+ hp for the V8.
The only thing that upsets me about it............
[SIZE="6"]SIX FORWARD GEARS --- AUTOMATIC AND MANUAL.[/SIZE]
Besides, it's pretty widely known the 300 HP figure for the 3V is a slight under-rating.
Throw a blower on it. You'll feel better ;)
A little more in depth info and pics.
http://jalopnik.com/5408309/2011-ford-mustang-gets-new-305-hp-v6-30-mpg?skyline=true&s=x
Aint nothin' wrong with a V6....
I was rated at 220, dyno'd at 185hp/178tq (Mustang, DynoJet est 204ish)
Cant wait to see what all Ford is going to due with the EcoBoost
The new 5.0 Coyote is suppose to go in it then too. It's suppose to top 400. :D
What are you complaining about? Would you rather have less gears?
He's complaining because he does have less gears. He's got an '05 (or '06, or anyway, an '0something)
19 city and 30 highway for the auto, and 18 city and 29 highway for the stick? Either auto's now take less power or people need to learn how to drive...
Nothing unseen there.
The camaro's base 6cyl buts out 300 ponies already,ford had to do something to match it.
we couldn't let a piece of chevy beat us. lol can't wait till they turbo it. 550 hp in the wings?
I also heard the base GT with the 4.6 is going to above 400 hp.
Look at the difference between auto and manual fusions. Supposedly the auto gets 34 hwy while the manual only manages 31? Gearing?
I agree I think 300 hp on my little 3v is a little underrated. It sure feels like more to me. And while I agree, a blower would put a smile on my face I think the wife and the bank account would not be very happy.
I just think its crazy that the previous generation (99-04) Mustang GT 4.6 2v had what, 260hp? And now the V6 model is going to be sporting over 300! Hell the '04 Mach 1's had about 305 hp (I'm sure they are more potent than this V6 due to more torque). Its crazy how things are progressing. Its like 1969 all over again sometimes.
Just way more efficient than '69.
My wife has a 2010 Fusion Sport. I can't say I really like the 6 speed. It seems like it shifts too much, but I guess when you are used to 4 gears, 6 gears are going to shift more. However it has been knocking down mpg's in the low 30's with her driving. Plus for a 4 dr sedan its pretty fast. I think motortrend showed quarter mile in the mid 15's. It needs the ecoboost motor now :evilgrin:
Ah yes... The real SHO.... A mid sized family car with power. I love the Fusions, I just think they wear the wrong name plate.
I once read that HP determines how fast you hit the wall, but torque determines how far the wall moves after you hit it.
Too funny. When my daughter was in grade school, I asked her about someone's car and she said it was a piece of Chevy. That's when I told my wife I better watch what I say around the kids. They were starting to pick up my phrases.
Variable Exhaust / Intake Cam Timing and Direct Injection with good flowling cylinder heads are really waking up the Ford Engines. The V8 will be a beast. I would expect at least 400+ HP and 400+ lb-ft Torque.
Like the LS2 has been rated at...
We are a little behind arent we
I had a thought earlier today while I had my Mustang out. I changed the oil and took it for a drive......
My thought was:
How many 1996 Corvettes do you see running around all modded up nowadays? NONE. Remember when they came out? 330 HP stock. Unheard of at the time for a relatively inexpensive non-supercar. It actually took a good deal of tweaking to get 100 HP more to the tire out of them.....
I remember seeing them fairly regularly when they were within their first few years. Body kits, hoods, exhaust systems, blowers, etc.....
Now look at the latest ones. 100 more ponies out of the box and a simple cam swap with the hefty breathing heads that they come with will net about 65-70 more while not killing torque. The mid '90s Vettes have become sort of a step-child; much like our beloved Cougarbirds. The difference being of course that at least the Cougarbirds have a distinct appearance. The basic look of the Corvette has remained unchanged since 1984 albeit with slight updates.........they are REALLY cut off.
I really hope the 05-09 cars do not become the next mid '90's Corvette.
They will.
Anyway that's all real nice. 3.7, lots of MPG but....What will they do to make it sound cool????:D
a v8 sound track in the cd player
That's my fear. Could be worse though.......Could be a New Edge :rollin:
Not really. Even with a 100+ horsepower defecit the Mustang isn't that much slower than the Camaro SS. The comparison tests I've read actually placed the Mustang ahead of the Camaro even though it was slower. As the 4th gen shows, it's not always about speed. Style and ride count for a lot, and a lot of people don't like the looks of the new Camaro. It's too brutal for some (myself included).
Now, thankfully, Ford is not going to rest on its laurels and sell a stylish but underpowered Mustang(only when compared to the Camaro - nobody was complaining the Mustang was underpowered last year...). They're finally giving the car a healthy dose of both. Now if only they'd done that with the fox T-Birds and Cougars :hick:
I disagree. When the S197's came out they were recieved VERY well by not only car enthusiast but the buying public in general. I think in 30 yrs people are going to be "retro modding" their 2005 Mustangs and dropping in modern motors just like they are now with muscle cars. I think the '99-04 cars will be the ones to fall off the radar more so than the '05-up.
Mid-90's Vettes (save the ZR1) were pretty plain jane even then. Hell the Camaro/Firebird was more interesting IMO.
SOME people were. Especially when GM was still producing the GTO. Problem is the 300HP Mustang flat out bested the 350HP LS1 version of the GTO in stock trim in the 1/4 mile. Hence the 400HP version the very next year. Didn't make it much faster though.
So now we're basically screwed on keeping up with everything else on the road unless we build up an aftermarket engine block or modular swap. Lovely.
Yeah but 300 hp V6 in a mustang > 300hp in a camaro BUT, i hate the camaro so im bias.
That's true but we SN95s have our owe RHSC, the 96-98 OR the 94-95 depending on how you look at it. The 05-2010 will fill that spot for the S197s. Its just natural progression though.
Style and ride count for the majority id say. I mean, yeah if the stang was brutally slow that would not be a good thing but the nature of these cars and the aftermarket really make speed and power a moot point to some degree.
Thats definitely fair, and probably accurate. Fortunately, with the fox, SN95 and S-197 being so different they will all have a decent following. Who know what will even be left of the hobby 30 years from now.
i think say, in 10 years from now, if the 11 up stang is as good as it sounds its going to put the 05-10 in the same place the 94-95 SN95 is currently.
I can still out run V6 family sedans and such;). Not new Mustangs or Camaro's though......
That's what I was gonna say.
But this news makes me very happy nonetheless...
theres just something that bugs me about a motor thats smaller then a 289 (4.6) in displacement, but bigger the 429 in size.....
Thought I'd dredge this up based on auto show info.
http://media.ford.com/mini_sites/10031/2011Mustang/
Some good reading on the v6 and 5.0L. 412 hp, with the Brembo brake option. I've heard Ford and Shelby are parting ways, so I'm wondering if the GT will be the top of the line?
My other worry is the base model is getting such a new high tech engine and other technological advancements. Will it now start at $25k? If so, they're screwing up. The $21k base was a good start.
I just bought a copy of 5.0 magazine and they have a great technical read on the new modular 5.0. Its gonna be a spy ass car. 7k redline, 400+ hp on 91 octane, around 11:1 compression, 6 speed trans, etc. The way the engineered the motor it will still be cost effective by using much of the manufacturing processes of the current 4.6.
From what I gather, the GT will still be the entry level V8 and there will still be some sort of special edition type cars (ie: boss, cobra, etc). I had not heard that Shelby was parting ways with Ford. I don't think this is true...below is a link to the '11 Shelby GT350.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/18/shelby-unveils-2011-gt350-mustang-at-barrett-jackson/ (http://"http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/18/shelby-unveils-2011-gt350-mustang-at-barrett-jackson/")
Thanks for clearing up the '11 shelby thing. Here's an article on pricing.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/18/2011-ford-mustang-pricing-to-start-from-22-995/
I think the GT starting at $30k is a huge mistake. Base pricing at $23k is a bit ridiculous, too.
It's been 6 model years and they added 100+ horsepower respectively to both engines as well as other upgrades over the years.
Still quite the bargain for the performance you get. Nobody's said anything yet, but this puts the 370Z/G37 quite far behind as far as the bang for the buck area is concerned. There's talk of a hybrid engine as an option in place of the 330 HP mill, but I would imagine that comes in at even MORE of a premium. The Nismo tuned version is 39K for the 2010 MY. Still has less torque than the 4.6 3V.....
Dyno video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwvLEx10KgE
I hear a hint of a jet engine there.
The car video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlR8hbpkHkw
I agree with that, but it's appeal to the masses was because of its price. And by sheer volumes it's the king of the pony car hill. They're going to lose the lower end buyer. Especially with this economy.
http://forums.themustangsource.com/showthread.php?t=479855
Here's a pricing sheet.
I've seen the videos and pricing sheet as well. Honestly, I don't believe they'll lose the low end buyer. Compared to 2009 (AND 2010), the markups are really minimal.
Heck, a convertible 2010 with an auto trans and leather was on the lot near me a while back.
Price?
Upwards of $40K.
I think you'll see a few more stripped down versions roaming around, but overall sales point and profit will remain IMHO. The only reason I went stripped down was for weight. It's VERY rare to see a '05-'09 GT with the base interior package and cloth seats. Out of all the ones I've seen I might be one of 5....
You may be right. It was bugging me that you could get into a coupe for $20k in 2005 and a GT for around $25k. 6 years later, they're starting at $23k and $30K. The $30k is a bit steep to start for a GT, but the base is going to be such a kickin' ride, I think the base will just cannibalize a bunch of GT volume
Six years ago you could also buy a gallon of gas for well under two bucks. Times have changed. Besides, you might pay more for a 2011 GT compared to a 2005, but you're getting much more car for your money. And it's still cheaper than a Camaro SS :hick:
I agree that the base is certainly gonna cannibalize GT sales, though. Hell, I'd even consider a V6 Mustang now. Only briefly, of course, but the fact that the consideration even arises speakes volumes for the 2011's...
http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx
Ironically, gas prices are about the same as in 2005.
Everyone keeps saying getting more for your money, but that doesn't matter for those whom the price just increased out of their range. That's just a flat loss of sales. Sure the people that were already going to buy one will be happier, but their increase in happiness does not produce an increase in sales volumes.
Things have changed a lot in the automobile world in a short time. With the way the government is pushing better emissions, etc., you can expect all cars to take a price hike. A increase in price on the Mustang doesn't make much difference if all of the competition takes a price increase too.
I would love to find a dealer that would order me a Base 2011 V-6 Mustang with the GT suspension, Brembo brakes, and the 3.73 gears.
I could care less about all the gadgets and the latest 3kw stereo, or whatever they are up to lately....lol
I would love to autocross a V-6 stang with those options.
And if I could get it for say $ 26K, that would be great. :D
you know I think you're on the right track, but I think CAFE is the big driver or the new Mustang engines.
Absolutely. I want a base '11 so bad I can't stand myself. Everything about this new generation is great. I loooooove the sequenced led tails, and the guages inside are great too. But, like was said before, happiness with the car is no substitute for those of us who just cannot afford it...
Then again, ive never been able to afford a "new" car...:D 'least not on 25k/yr (unless I bought a kia:yuck:)
The June issue of Car And Driver has a comparison of the V6 and V8 Mustangs and Camaros. They liked the Mustangs better in both cases.
I'm starting to see commercials on tv for the v6 now. Wont be long till it startshiznitting the dealer lots.
Anyone up for a test drive!!!!:burnout:
How long before the fire sale on the used, less HP, pre 2011, GT's? :D
I've heard orders for the 2011's have been quite strong.
No that's good because they are *relatively* quick zippy cars nonetheless. Far from the slowest thing on the road. Find a flogged one and have a fast cheap beater! :D
Just found this vid. The Mustang beats the v6 Camaro, v6 Challenger (DESTROYS it actually), and a v6 Hyundai Genesis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq17ecwFI7M
And here is a vid with the V8 versions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3p8fZZQM8
Evolution Performance just got their hands on a new 5.0.....
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Evolution-Performance-Inc/262882950647
Initially the car's first pass after the car cooled down (second time at the track)- "12.88@111mph with a 2.06 60ft with stock 19" Tires!"
Last update had the car with an exhaust/tune/Bogarts car running "12.04 @ 117mph - 1.70 60ft."
Not bad for a grand in mod's, and I'm sure better times are to be had with better air.
As for power...
Glad I just upgraded the rear in my car and did a gear swap......Now I can just barely beat that......If I drive it good :mad: BTW -- BOTH those HP & torque #'s are higher than mine with 7 pounds of boost; not by much, but still.....
Where was this engine in 2005?
I agree with you V8Demon...in '07 I thought my GT had a lot of HP in stock form. Now the V6 will be nipping at my tail. It could be worse I guess. How do you think the 2010 owners feel? lol.
I guess in the big scheme of things, a 300hp 3v is still nothing to dismiss as "slow".
I just drove a '10 V6 tonight. Things has some balls. I was surprised overall by the car. I never knocked them but it exceeded what I thought they would be.