General => Lounge => Topic started by: Bird351 on April 18, 2005, 11:06:04 PM
Title: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 18, 2005, 11:06:04 PM
OK, sometimes I just hate Google.
I've been trying for the last couple hours to find a Mark VII site that has even a tiny fraction of the amount of info CoolCats has about our cars, and I'm drawin' a blank here. Google mainly gives me filler pages on wanna-be big websites, or ads for parts. I tried following through Lincoln Motorsport, but there's very little info there.. and their Lincoln Webring looks like it's centered around the Mark VIII.
I guess mainly that means that we're pretty spoiled here in the wealth of info that's been accumulated for us.. but it also means I'm having difficulty doing much research on this '88 Mark VII I'm looking at tomorrow. Any suggestions on sites?
This guy wants $1000 OBO for an '88 Mark. EDIT: Nevermind, it has LSC on the wheels and on the trunk.
The air suspension is damaged, but he had trouble explaining to me what was wrong with it. The back seat is also pretty much destroyed. However, the body's in pretty good condition from what we could see in the dark w/ flashlights. Only one rust spot found.. didn't see any other body damage. Aside from the back seat, the rest of the interior looked alright.
I'll hazard a guess that it's not in $1000 condition. I just have to figure out how far away from $1000 condition it's in. A friend is going to look at it tomorrow morning on his way to work, and I'm going to drive by there again during the daytime. Might take some pics. If this thing can be had within the amount of money I was about to accumulate for the possible SO rebuild or HO swap, I may put it into buying the Mark instead.
Man, I'm a total thread-w lately. Shawn, I'm blaming your thread-whoring for this. It's catching like a disease. :p
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: slamedcat on April 18, 2005, 11:25:51 PM
lincoln sites (http://lsc-ss.com/lscss_site/Tech_Info.html) lsc-r 001 (http://www.svpu.com/projects/LSCR1/) lsc-r 002 (http://www.svpu.com/projects/LSCR2/LSCR2.html)
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: Bird351 on April 18, 2005, 11:27:38 PM
It's rough, (the first one) but it's a start. Thanks.
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: slamedcat on April 18, 2005, 11:34:16 PM
Here is one more that deals with things related to the mark series and other lincoln.
One more (http://mark8.org/lod/)
You also have to remember most lincoln owners are not like fox owners. A bigger, better Lincoln comes along "Mark VIII" they pitch there old ones and buy new.
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: Bird351 on April 18, 2005, 11:47:04 PM
Yeah, makes sense. I hope at least the 2nd owners were somewhat more enthusiastic about their cars.
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: 4thqtr on April 19, 2005, 01:30:23 AM
And another site I like, you might find something useful in there:
http://www.lsc-ss.com (http://www.lsc-ss.com)
Hope this helps some
EDIT: Whoops, guess the second one was already listed :brick:
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: baxo on April 19, 2005, 08:22:19 AM
http://www.lincolnsonline.com/
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 19, 2005, 12:53:41 PM
Quote from: slamedcat
You also have to remember most lincoln owners are not like fox owners. A bigger, better Lincoln comes along "Mark VIII" they pitch there old ones and buy new.
Very few Mark VII owners these days give a about the Mark VIII, much less want to trade for one. Very few Mark VIIs or VIIIs are owned by their original owner, most are bought fully depreciated and with the intentions of modifying them somehow.
I have them all, and I'd recommend http://www.lincolnsonline.com...for obvious reasons I guess. I mean, I am the mod of the Mark VII forum there. :)
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: thundergrowl on April 19, 2005, 01:13:04 PM
Were the production numbers on the Marks higher than t'birds and cougars? There are very few t'birds and cougars around me but there are two Marks just off my street.
One's in great shape driven by an old man who returns it into the garage after every use. No rust or damage to be seen. Paint is still in great shape from what i can tell the few times I've seen him driving it.
The other is a pile of rust, under the doors, quarters...I asked the guy if he'd sell it - $3500 he said, I said seeya.
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 01:25:41 PM
Took some pics of it today. More to follow.
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 01:26:24 PM
I'll slap a 56k warning on this thread. :p
Title: Re: Mark my words..
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 01:27:30 PM
And for the last two.. would've been three, I took a picture of the door tag.. but I forgot to change for up-close pics. it.
116k on it.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 19, 2005, 02:16:30 PM
The car looks fixable, but its a $1000? Its not worth more than $500 unless the ABS and A/C works.
They made more Birdcats than Marks, but Lincolns usually get treated better because of their price tag, hence their current abundance. :)
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 02:19:13 PM
How big a negative, price-wise, should the problem with the air suspension be? He couldn't adequately explain it to me last night.. so I'll have to ask for clarification today.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 19, 2005, 02:24:59 PM
Have you started the car? If the suspension pumps its minor. If it doesn't, its minor + a bad compressor. You can buy a complete system for $1100 or so, odds are you have $500 in parts to replace. Well it could be a bad relay...
Basically I need more information. How's that?
SHAMELESS PLUG: check out our Lincoln Tech section for lotsa Mark VII stuff... http://www.lincolnsonline.com/tech.html
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 02:44:58 PM
Naw, haven't started it yet. Guy won't be available to go up there until after 5. I just wanted to get up there and have a quick look + pics before then.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 19, 2005, 03:39:10 PM
Search the Mark VII forum and archives for Mark VII purchasing questions. Just a few more things to look at over a regular Foxbody. ABS system condition is the most important, IMO.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 03:52:30 PM
Is that EZboard or something?
Tried what you suggested. I'm not really finding anything in there. Tried search, gave me different topics than I asked for. Tried going through it alphabetically, the Mark VII archive. Brutal.. nothing.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 19, 2005, 04:18:17 PM
Its UBB. I know I archived some Mark VII buying tips somewhere! Sorry! :(
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 04:19:32 PM
Perhaps in the tech section? I was concentrating on the forums.
EDIT: Nevermind. Didn't see anything there either.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: oldraven on April 19, 2005, 04:28:49 PM
Interesting choice of fabric on that console. ;) Do I see 'cigarette' burns on that? Maybe you should check out all the cubby holes. You never know, you may get your money's worth out of whatever 'street value' you find.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 19, 2005, 04:31:30 PM
There's one. TV cable, AOD tranny, air suspension, ABS system, clean interior (this one has nicely reupholstered seats, that's a plus) are all things to look for.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: slamedcat on April 19, 2005, 04:38:45 PM
Here are some pics that might make you think about what you wnat to do with the car. My friend sent me these and said he is good friends with this guy.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 04:41:58 PM
Quote from: oldraven
Interesting choice of fabric on that console. ;) Do I see 'cigarette' burns on that? Maybe you should check out all the cubby holes. You never know, you may get your money's worth out of whatever 'street value' you find.
They neglected to clean out the passenger floorpan and the back seat when they put it out there for sale. Maybe I should take it as-is and do a thorough cleaning.. :p
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: oldraven on April 19, 2005, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: Bird351
They neglected to clean out the passenger floorpan and the back seat when they put it out there for sale. Maybe I should take it as-is and do a thorough cleaning.. :p
Let the harvest begin. :hick:
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 19, 2005, 08:13:25 PM
Theis site has a fairly good Mark VII board... Use it myself occasionally..
http://www.fordvschevy.com/forum/index.php?
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 10:07:36 PM
Well, it's mine.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: oldraven on April 19, 2005, 10:21:07 PM
Good stuff, man. When do you think you'll start driving it?
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 19, 2005, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Bird351
Well, it's mine.
Details of the buy????
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: oldraven
Good stuff, man. When do you think you'll start driving it?
Don't know. I paid him a $100 deposit, I'll pay him the rest as soon as I can sell my watch and my 351, or my credit operation in the online game. After I pay him off, I'll transfer the title and tag it, which is gonna be a couple hundred dollars. My aunt can drive my light blue T-bird to work so I won't have to give her rides home every day, and I'll drive the LSC. My fiance will get the dark blue T-bird once it's roadworthy, if we need her to. (that's sort of the emergency ride, if one of the others breaks down)
Probably be a couple weeks before I can drive it. I thought the brakes might be bad, but it turned out it was just low on fluid. It is just the relay for the air suspension, so that shouldn't be bad to fix. It also needs a starter solenoid and a couple other things. I'll inventory it tomorrow for a more thorough answer. It has some electrical gremlins, but I expected that.
Oh yeah.. my first-ever car with a CD player.. and it's even factory.
I'm paying him $800 total. He said the A/C works.. and seeing as both he and the last owner worked for A/C shops, I sure as hell hope it works. :p
The last owner before this guy worked for Ford before working for whatever A/C place he works for now. I wonder what that owner did to it. I doubt someone working for Ford and driving a Mark could resist tinkering with it. :evilgrin:
BTW, it's sitting out front. :p Pics tomorrow after a cleanup/"search". :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 19, 2005, 11:21:50 PM
You did good, sounds like the car is real solid. You might see airbag leaks after a few weeks of ownership, but getting reman bags is cheap and easy enough.
Hope to see you on the Mark VII boards at Fordvschevy and Lincolnsonline sometime. :)
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 19, 2005, 11:28:23 PM
Body and engine appear to be solid, but there's a lot of little stuff that needs doing. Will eventually need exhaust, the right side tailpipe has some holes past the rear wheel. Needs a rearview mirror with the sensor for the dimmer. Needs a starter solenoid, and maybe another battery. Needs that air suspension relay. (he said he used to be able to jiggle the harness at the relay to get it to work, but now it's completely dead) Probably needs a few replaced fuses and some of that re-grounding stuff in your tech section. Needs a cover for the back seat. Windows are off-track. (deja vu, my '88 needs new clips) But hey, it's still a functioning LSC. :p
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 20, 2005, 10:34:18 AM
Only have one new picture to add, this morning.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: 1986Tbird on April 20, 2005, 12:07:24 PM
Be careful with that radio! Those sell for $250+ on ebay! Congrats man ;)
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: V8Demon on April 20, 2005, 12:44:47 PM
Congrats on the car speaking of radios:
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Be careful with that radio! Those sell for $250+ on ebay
Are those Premium Sound compatible? I got pioneers in my car, but I kept the stock EQ and I'm lookin for a CD player and if I can find a factory one I'd go with that for looks more than anything else if possible.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 20, 2005, 12:46:06 PM
It says Premium Sound on the speaker grilles on this thing. Not sure if it's the same setup as the Bird/Cougar, tho.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: V8Demon on April 20, 2005, 12:51:59 PM
Does it have the separate Equalizer above the radio?
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 20, 2005, 12:54:01 PM
No, that's where the big-ass Lincoln version of the tripminder is. The one where the row of buttons is as wide as the entire console.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: V8Demon on April 20, 2005, 12:56:49 PM
Hmmm, junk yard down the road has two sittin around that are tore up, but have the cd players. I think I'll hit em up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 20, 2005, 12:58:29 PM
Hey, if nothing else you could see how cheaply you could pick them up, then turn around and auction 'em off.
If this one turns out to be busted, I might have to do something similar.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 20, 2005, 03:28:05 PM
Question: Would the lower half of the back seat of my '88 T-bird swap for the lower half of the back seat of the LSC? The LSC's lower part of the seat is destroyed. On the T-bird, the upper part is starting to go bad, but the lower part just has a few cracks in it. I believe they're even the same color, or close. (and both are leather)
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: EricCoolCats on April 20, 2005, 04:01:51 PM
They should....I don't see why not. Go for it and let us know the definitive answer. :)
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 20, 2005, 04:38:35 PM
They will, but it might be 1" narrower. Tell us what happens.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 20, 2005, 04:42:40 PM
Oh man, how freaking nasty.
Someone stuck a car battery on the back seat.. sitting at an angle.. and some of the acid leaked out onto a T-shirt and a few other random pieces of junk back there. The acid disintegrated the t-shirt, melted the leather to a couple pieces, etc.
That has to be the single worst thing wrong with this car.. but I just got it out of there (with gloves on, of course) and I'm gonna snag my shop vac and a spare surgical mask and vacuum it out soon.
EDIT: Here's a pic..
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 20, 2005, 05:55:18 PM
We pulled the back seat a few minutes ago. Looks like no acid got past the seat.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 20, 2005, 06:11:38 PM
Sheesh...just find another back seat from someone parting out a Mark VII. They show up pretty frequently on both Mark VII messageboards.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 20, 2005, 06:21:29 PM
I might just do that.. if nothing else, I don't really think my Bird would look/feel right minus a back seat. Just don't know what I'd be looking to spend on one.. and there are many other things I need to spend money on right now that are more important.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: svopaul on April 20, 2005, 06:23:05 PM
Quote from: Bird351
We pulled the back seat a few minutes ago. Looks like no acid got past the seat.
If you want to drive up to Alabama I have a number of back seats...you can HAVE one...but I won't ship it so you have to pick it up. On a bonus side I have probably 15 complete cars worth of Mark VII parts in storage containers out back so you could pick up any parts you might need...I'll make you a deal if you are driving up here ;)
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 20, 2005, 06:31:28 PM
! I could probably use a bunch of stuff.. but I don't trust my light blue Bird to go that far until I replace the alternator. Gas money is also an issue, until I pay this guy off for the LSC. I'll have to see what happens with this other guy on the forum asking about buying my 351W and all the Ford parts over at my friend's house. Thanks, though. If I can figure something out soon I'll let you know. Alabama is not a trivial drive from 90 miles south of Tampa, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 20, 2005, 07:53:06 PM
applause for Paul
:D
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 20, 2005, 08:14:38 PM
Quote from: pro-five-oh
applause for Paul
:D
Yeah, no kidding!
I can understand not wanting to ship something like a seat.. but is there a small part you might be willing to ship, if I can come up with the cash for it?
This thing really needs a relay for the air suspension.. it's the relay just to the right of and behind the master cylinder. According to the previous owner, he used to be able to wiggle the plug and get it to work again.. but now, nothing. I'm going to have a look at it because that's not the only case of something being loose on this car. (tried to change a fuse today and the fuse panel started pushing up behind the dash) But if I can't get it going again, I'll need a replacement. Yeah, I know, I heard it wasn't an expensive part to begin with.. but frankly, until this thing is paid off, I'm going to avoid putting any money into it I can avoid spending. I decided today I may replace the starter solenoid, because the screwdriver trick just annoys the out of me.. but between that and that relay, I don't really feel comfortable if I have to move it around in the yard.
It seems like the suspension is literally about an inch off the ground. I had to go under there today to pick up a socket I dropped, and.. ..
Of course, if you don't like shipping anything at all, even something the size of the relay, I can just wait. If I do manage to get up there somehow, I wouldn't be using the Mark anyway.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: svopaul on April 21, 2005, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: Bird351
Yeah, no kidding!
I can understand not wanting to ship something like a seat.. but is there a small part you might be willing to ship, if I can come up with the cash for it?
This thing really needs a relay for the air suspension.. it's the relay just to the right of and behind the master cylinder. According to the previous owner, he used to be able to wiggle the plug and get it to work again.. but now, nothing. I'm going to have a look at it because that's not the only case of something being loose on this car. (tried to change a fuse today and the fuse panel started pushing up behind the dash) But if I can't get it going again, I'll need a replacement. Yeah, I know, I heard it wasn't an expensive part to begin with.. but frankly, until this thing is paid off, I'm going to avoid putting any money into it I can avoid spending. I decided today I may replace the starter solenoid, because the screwdriver trick just annoys the out of me.. but between that and that relay, I don't really feel comfortable if I have to move it around in the yard.
It seems like the suspension is literally about an inch off the ground. I had to go under there today to pick up a socket I dropped, and.. ..
Of course, if you don't like shipping anything at all, even something the size of the relay, I can just wait. If I do manage to get up there somehow, I wouldn't be using the Mark anyway.
I'll ship anything except large hard to package/ship items(ie: Hood, fenders, doors, trunk lid, rear seat, etc)...other than that it's no problem...it's what I do. The reason for not shipping large items is that it is not worth the time given how long it takes to properly package something then the cost of materials if crated and shipping cost itself. The rest is no problem at all to ship...I do that every day ;)
If you can start your car at the solenoid with a screwdriver then your starter solenoid is likely not the culprit. The FIRST thing I would recommend is to replace the ignition switch in the column..not the key switch, the slider switch mounted under the trim with tamper proof torx bits. Those are notorious for going bad and I just replaced one of those in a Mark VII 3 days ago that wouldn't start by the key but would from the solenoid....those switches can be fire hazards so make sure you get a new one in there ;)
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 21, 2005, 01:17:29 PM
I'm gonna need to do some reading up on ignition replacement. Never done anything like that before. Not even sure what to do.. is this something I have to take up with Ford?
It's also something I'm not going to do until the car's paid for and the title is in my name. I don't mind doing stuff like washing it or cleaning out the interior or testing to see how far the paint is gone, (and it's definitely pretty bad) or even replacing that relay with a used one just to get the car off the ground, but I'm not going to mess with the ignition in case this falls through and the car goes back to the guy.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 23, 2005, 12:41:36 PM
OK, possible stupid question time:
Is there a harmless way I can jump this relay somehow and get the bags to inflate? This thing is sitting so close to the ground I can't even slip my fingers between the quarter panel and the front tires.
Oh, and for svopaul: If you have an extra relay you're willing to part with and ship, please let me know how much it will set me back.
As for other details sorta relating to the car.. I've cleaned it up quite a bit. Looks like someone painted the dull gray over the original sandstone, because there's one spot where the gray is chipping off and you can see the intact sandstone underneath it. As far as paying for it, I've put the watch up for auction.. and I've made some noise in the engine-selling department, but no luck so far. A friend is coming over today to help work on the '88, so we'll probably discuss selling it locally some more. I'm just so wound up over the possibility of not being able to pay for this thing if these sales don't go well. My third selling option (my credit-selling operation in Star Wars Galaxies) has been devalued pretty badly by another collapse in credit prices. Chinese players.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 23, 2005, 10:22:23 PM
Hot ! The second watch auction went for $500. Maybe I will get a couple hundred out of my used watch after all.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: slamedcat on April 24, 2005, 12:34:06 AM
To raise the car. 1. turn off the air ride. 2. dissconnect the computer harness. 3. run a power lead to pins 9-12 this will open the valves for the air bags. 4. run a power lead to pin ? for the air pump.
I am not quite sure what pin starts the air pump.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 24, 2005, 12:58:33 AM
Hmmm.. looks like I'm gonna need a Haynes for this car specifically, and soon.. or some diagrams from a website.
I see two plugs fulla wires going into the bottom of this thing. I'll detach it tomorrow and examine it closer. Is it labelled somehow which wire is which?
Found a huge PDF which might help.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Ifixyawata on April 24, 2005, 01:25:33 AM
An EVTM would rock your world!
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: slamedcat on April 24, 2005, 01:31:35 AM
There should be small numbers next to the pins on the connector.
The pins are in the large connector with 2 rows of pins.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 24, 2005, 01:34:30 AM
Quote from: Ifixyawata
An EVTM would rock your world!
YuH! If only I had one for my T-birds, let alone my Mark!
If only the offer of the job at the prison were a short-term thing.. my friend would want to train me to be a manager working under him, and he's about to get a promotion from what I gather.. so he'd want me around long-term if I took him up on it. But I don't know if being able to pay for stuff like EVTMs and parts is worth the increased possibility of being stabbed at work.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: slamedcat on April 24, 2005, 11:59:29 AM
I forgot to mention, don't open all 4 valves at once. Open the front one air those 2 up then the back 2. If you open all 4 at once the front will hit the ground and the back will be like 2 feet in the air.
Pin 22 I think is the one that will start the air ride pump. Pin 23 will open the vent and purg the entire system.
And if you want to have fun. You could run switches to the center consol to control all of this from the drivers seat. This was my plan until my Mark VII met its untimely death.
http://lsc-ss.com/lscss_site/Tech_Info/suspensionair.pdf This may help some to.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 24, 2005, 12:04:56 PM
Heh.. my next possible question involved perhaps using a switch or multiple switches to be able to manually trigger this stuff.. but that still involves spending money, of which I could just save up a little more and just replace the relay for now.
It's something I'd think about doing later on, though.. when I can spare the cash to goof around. (I would need to buy new switches and a bunch of wire.. supplies are a little low here) Right now I have to pick up some fresh gas for the Mark, some 1/4" hose to run from the schrader (sp.?) valve on the '88's fuel line to a gas can sitting next to the car, (going to pump off about 10 gallons from that car and split it between the other two) pick up new O-rings for when I clean the injectors, etc. Oh, and I can't forget cat litter.. :p
EDIT: I think that's the PDF I found last night. I saved it to my desktop.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 24, 2005, 01:14:14 PM
Another dumb question.. where should I pull a power lead off of? I think I have this wiring diagram (on the PDF) sorta figured out.. but I want to check and make sure I don't do something stupid. (which is very likely) If I have the air suspension switch disabled, should I use a lead attached to its BLK-YEL line for power?
I see a set of wires (all BLK-YEL) coming off a fusible link, but I also see a wire (GRY-YEL) going to a fuse.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: slamedcat on April 24, 2005, 05:14:35 PM
On mine I just pulled power from the trunk light or the power lead for the amps I had in mine.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 25, 2005, 12:07:22 AM
So how should I do these leads? Just run a line off a power source and touch it to each pin in succession, or run constant power to a pair of 'em? (like 9-10, 11-12) Sorry if this is exceedingly stupid, I just don't want to screw anything up.
This connector to the air suspension switch looks like a good candidate for a power lead.. can just hook one of those female halves of a blade connection to it. (used up all the blades themselves.. heh)
Just out of curiosity.. if I ran a bunch of switches like you mentioned, (up to the console) what gauge wire should I be using?
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: shame302 on April 25, 2005, 12:34:24 AM
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It seems like the suspension is literally about an inch off the ground. I had to go under there today to pick up a socket I dropped, and.. ..
i could be mistaken but cant you just jack up the car? or maybe jack it up and release the purge valve...? my mark 8 had an issue with the air system and i jacked up the car and the wheel came down. might have been cause the actual bag was bad though.
if the system is anything like the mark viiis there are aftermarket controlers for the suspention. you can controle ride height also by physically moving the 2 front sensors up as well as the rear one. there is also a coil conversion to replace the bag system...
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 25, 2005, 12:36:36 AM
The car is so low I can't get my floor jack under it.. I would have to take a piece of 1x6 I have laying around (because I have no pavement to work on) and try to snake my '86's jack under it.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 25, 2005, 12:43:45 AM
And if so, do I need two identical ones? I remember seeing two relays in that little unit.. but I thought they were different colors or something.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 26, 2005, 10:26:33 AM
Bah.. I'm getting really nervous about my chances of hanging onto this car.
11 people watching the watch auction.. and one guy asking if we'd ship to Italy. I have no idea what extra work is involved in doing that. So far, no bids.. but the last watch went literally to the last hour before anyone bid on it, and it went for the $500 reserve. (but it's "NIB".. mine's used)
No bites on the 351 online, so we're probably going to have to get together Wed. and write up an ad for the paper.
Credit prices for SWG are down as low as $2.49/million. I was making $6.99/million (before Ebay and PayPal fees) last time I sold.. so these things are more worthless than ever.
Hell, I can't even mow lawns for the money or something.. there are too few houses in the neighborhood and they're really spread out.. I'd be driving the mower all over the place for maybe a dozen houses. Great for privacy, not so good for stuff like that.
I really don't want to sell the '88.. but I might be forced to.
I've even considered such crazy things as selling advertising space on the side of my '86.. inspired by this guy's "plans" but not so permanent:
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 27, 2005, 07:47:02 PM
Well, I was offered (unsolicited, I might add) some "help" paying the car off. I get the title in about an hour. That's one major headache off my mind.
Now to find out if I really do have this disease.. *sigh*
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 28, 2005, 08:11:12 PM
Going thru the trunk of a recently-bought car can be fun. Especially when you find lots of stuff in little bags with Ford logos and part numbers all over them..
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: V8Demon on April 28, 2005, 08:15:46 PM
Was that stuff forgotten about or did the previous owner throw it in for you? Either way it's a good thing! What did you get?
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 28, 2005, 08:20:32 PM
Looks like it was forgotten about by the owner previous to this guy, who apparently worked for the local Ford dealer for awhile. However, last night when I gave him the check and got the title, I asked him if there was anything he needed out of it.. he acknowledged he had some tools in it, but said I could keep them.. and that I could even puppies off the (two sets of) A/C filler gauges for some money.
I can't identify all the gaskets.. but they're apparently all right from Ford. Of what I could identify: Valve covers, upper intake, oil pan, IAC, exhaust. My friend said something about valve retainers, I think? But there's TONS of stuff in that middle bag. To me it looks like an entire rebuild kit's worth of gaskets. No idea the value of it, but obviously I'm going to hang onto it. I would've taken a better picture, but it was almost dark by the time I remembered to take one.
Title: Re: Mark my words.. (caution, 56k'ers)
Post by: Bird351 on April 28, 2005, 09:03:23 PM
OK, it looks like he was just ding gaskets and other shiznit. There's even a V6 EFI upper intake gasket in here. (E8DZ-9H486-A) Here's the other three part numbers, although this does not cover everything there: