OK, project black opp is under way, I've found a 97 exploder as a donor for the engine... my question is, i want to run the newer setup with the coil packs, and a manual transmission. i know the 4r70w or what ever awd tranny is computer controlled and will not be in the car, will this cause a problem? my plan is to hopefully get it this weekend and get it running outside the truck, then remove bits i don't need for the tbird. also, I'll be parting it out in the for sale section later on if you need stuff...
main question tho, newer motor and ecu with the t56 i got... any foreseeable problems?
I can't answer any questions, but was wondering if the rear end is disc, and available?
Seeing as I have a 97 Explorer, I'm definitely interested in seeing what you part out of it.
Good luck with your project. It's a shame that you won't be using the tranny, though. I really love the 5-speed auto. Having that extra gear makes it a lot more driveable.
he must have the 4.0L V6 which had the 5R55 tranny.
I thought about that, but he was disappointed the OP wasn't using the 4R70W, so I assumed he had the P engine/tranny combo as well.
I do like the 5R55 though.
Yup, sorry for my mistake. I have the V6.
you will eventually want to change cams. its a truck engine and the cam has all low end power. other then that i've heard the valvesprings float really bad in higher rpm so you'd want to change those. utilizing the coil packs (someone correct me if im wrong) might cause complications in upgrading the ECU later on. the coil packs i believe use eec-5 not eec-4 (4 was more versitile/less complicated thus more popular) theres a lot of info on the explorer engine on corral.net has some really good threads as well as the other mustang forums im sure. sorry i dunno if linking is allowed here pm me if you want me to give you a really good explorer engine thread. also know that the gt-40p heads on that engine will need a lot of attentions as far as getting the headers to fit properly around the new sparkplug angle. just a few things to think about but to answer your question i dont think computer-transmission communication is required to function at least but im going on a limb by saying that (someone please verify)
hmm thanks, yeah i know the cams lol, but before i put the motor in it's getting torn down and rebuilt. i got a guy thats shaving the heads and doing some porting and new springs, guides, ect... motor will probably be a 306 when its done too with a aftermarket cam. ill keep you all updated, i havent seen it done before, possibly cause it looks like its gonna be a pain in the ass lol...
The Sploder EEC will be looking for the shift solenoids in the original auto tranny and will set a code(probably several)... Still based on I ran a automatic EEC from a 4cyl Stang in a 5speed without difficulty I don't think it would be a problem...
I got around the codes by connecting a #194 bulb from a power source to the shift solenoid output of the EEC... Stupid computer didn't know the difference, and no longer set a code... The bulb would light up whenever the EEC thought it should be applying O/D...
I see no reason you couldn't do the same, but will likely need 4-5 bulbs...
I just used an A9P and the distributor from my stock 5.0. It was much easier;)
I used the FMS GT40P headers with my heads. They, uh, *fit* around the stock motor mounts ok but I had to do some grinding on the driver's side mount. They make spark plug changes soooo easy though.
The explorer cam is not at all a bad cam. They're peak power is rated at 4200rpm with P heads and 4700rpm with the standard GT40's. Stock HO's peak out around 4000-4200rpm. The common misconception is that since it's an SUV is that it has a "truck cam"...the old "truck cams" were Standard Output 5.0 cams...the Explorer/Mountaineer cam is a far cry from the SO cam.
I believe the P headed engine is around 217ish HP...with a stupid restrictive set of exhaust manifolds, some guys are claiming gains of 30+ hp from just headers/exhaust. The cam is NOT the big restriction on that engine.
Nate, good luck to you buddy!
-Don
I was under the ASSumption that the truck cams placed in between our SO cams, and the HO version...?
My 2 wheel drive '92 F-150 will flat pull away from any standard output 5.0 Tbird....stock, that is.
Then again...that ain't sayin' a whole helluva lot, lol
Anywho, I may be wrong with that notion, but it seems like I read that somewhere once...many moons ago..
FWIW, '92 5.0 (truck) was rated at 185hp, 270 lb.ft....
We all know what an '88 Tbird/Cougar (Sport-XR7) is-was rated at,
as well as the Mustang..
The trucks have/had 19# injectors, and E7 heads, so it would seem logical that the cams for trucks would place somewhere between the HO, and the SO versions...of course, they're ground for more torque, obviously...but...just for a comparison's sake.
I believe that up to '93(maybe even all the way up to '95) all 5.0 trucks used the same grind as the HO...what gives it a bit more power is the heads and freer flowing intake. Also, the pick-ups will have much better than 2.73 gears(in most cases). The later truck/Explorer cam is a real hot rod cam compared to the SO unit.
I'm not saying to go out and buy up all the Explorer/Mountaineer cams you can, but if you're building a mild little daily driver or even a low-budget weekend tire fryer...it's a decent cam and it's really not necessary to swap it out...
...but I know Nate...he's trying to build something a little bit more serious than that...lol.
Good luck Nate!
-Don
I have an Explorer cam on the work bench.
If you want to replace your springs, which you should, I have a set of low-mileage Crane springs I'd sell you for $20 plus shipping. If you're interested, let me know.
That's a killer deal for valve springs.
It is, if they meet the requirements of his cam.
CAM INFO:
Specs for the Explorer cam for those interested are as follows:
Lobe lift: Intake - .264 Exhaust - .280 Multiply by rocker arm ratio for total lift
Adv. Duration: Intake - 256 Exhaust - 266
ICL - 118
ECL - 114
LSA - 116
Intake Opens 10* ATDC
Intake Closes 66* ABDC
Exhaust Opens 66* BBDC
Exhaust Closes 20*BTDC
Overlap 30* @ advertised duration #'s
Compare with the charts below.....
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk191/V8Demon/Car%20Tech/stock-cams1.jpg)
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk191/V8Demon/Car%20Tech/stock-cams2.jpg)
Keep in mind that the 93 T-bird/Cougar uses the same 5.0 roller cam as the 93 Cobra....Nice junkyard find.
Very nice...thanks Demon...saving this for my Tbird/Cougar info I'm compiling. :burnout:
Fellas, this is not true. The Exploder cam is a turd and is made for low end. A simple E cam swap pumps that same motor up 50 hp. The explorer cam is junk and should only be used in low RPM high torque applications. I would still prefer a stock SO cam over the explorer.
On another note, if you would like to use the coil packs, the timing cover, water pump, all accessories and brackets with associated stuff must be used. The Explorer has an integrated harmonic balancer and crank trigger system that cannot be separated.
The easiest way to would be to plug the dizzy hole with the explorer piece, and run an MSD ignition setup for DIS using the explorer or 4.6 coil packs. I would say 4.6 since the explorer has mega pricey plug wires and no aftermarket support. The real gains would not out weight the headache caused by this....stick with the A9P, factory accessories and a dizzy. My 2 cents.
Some have the same specs as the Cobra cam...which isn't all that great either...Fords attempt at trying to have some kind of low-end torque with the GT40 iron heads. You'd get more from an HO cam.
It's not that the Explorer cam is junk(compared to HO), but for the budget guy with an AOD, stock convertor and stockish rear gear...it's great. Of course it'll look like junk next to an aftermarket cam, no question about it...they all do.
-Don
....which would be useless in an Explorer due to the lack of low end an E-cam is known for ;) E-cam in an Explorer with a 4r70 and 3.27's........
B A D ....And yes the 93 Cougars and Tbirds had the same cam as the 93 Cobra from the factory. The difference is the rocker arms -- Cobra: 1.7 Cougar/Tbird: 1.6 See footnote #14 in the charts I posted. It was a running change apparently ;)
91& 92Cougars/Tbirds had The F1 H.O. grind -- All of them.
It's considered a truck cam by Ford ;)
On a side note: Weren't the truck flat tappet cams until '94 just with the same lobe profiles as the S.O. (which WAS a roller)?
With Gt-40 heads and given the choice between SO, HO, Cobra, Explorer, and E-cam........
HO cam with 1.7 ratio rocker arms thank you very much. :)
well thanks for all the input guys, looks like that explorer is junk tho... over 200k used it as a tow vehicle and smashed the hell out of it hitting a deer. also, check engine light was on before he hit it, and he messed up some of the harness and shredded the rad ect... not worth it to me to buy that one. mn12 tbirds have coil packs tho, and the "ho" engine lol... however detuned it may be, maybe ill try that instead. theres plenty of them floating around i can snag parts from.
5.0 MN-12s have coil packs??? I don't think so...
+1 They have distributors like the Fox cars.
Not ALL had the F3ZE cam in '93, but there were plenty out there...they were also equipped with the HO cam in '93. I believe it to be dependant on production date.
All 5.0 trucks were roller cammed by '92. The 5.8's went roller in '94.
-Don
footnote #14 in the chart ;)
"phased into production during that model year"...doesn't exactly read "completely replaced" from where I'm sitting. I've pulled an HO cam from a '93 'Bird, at least that's what the VIN had indicated. I wouldn't doubt, however, that there are more Cobra cams than HO cams run in them during the '93 model year.
I'm not trying to create a shiznit flinging fest, by any means, just want people to know they should definitely check out what they're getting before putting it in the car.
-Don
I was agreeing with you..... :poke:
LMAO...I apparently need that poke with the stick! it! Why won't you let me argue with you about something we're in agreement on?! LOL
-Don
P.S. If anybody finds any marbles, I think they're mine...I may have lost them.
Don't worry. I've been having LOTS of days like that recently ;)