i just got done watching horsepower tv (on spike tv) and they made a stroked 5.0 liter get 374H.P. and 380 foot pounds of torque. just thought you 5.0 liter guys would like to see it :D
i saw the first 10 minutes of it, when they introduced the cobra R, and said "its 302 has a special induction to make 230hp and....." TV got turned off, improper information already
After all that work, still cant make more power than a LS6 Chevy, which is 405 at the crank with full accessories. How depressing.
im glad im not the only one that see's that...
But I just said it, not fearing retribution at all. :p
i stopped saying it because of the week long debates on stang boards
"the 4.6L is superior to any GM LSx engine because of its lack of valvetrain friction"
LS-whatever's rule, the problem is that its wrapped around a GM product. Pass. :)
Unfortunately the LS series engines, specifically the LS1/LS6 and the LSX engines are superior to any mod motor Ford has out on the market. Sorry, but HP numbers dont lie, niether does reliability. If I was GM I would be putting the LS series engines in any rear wheel drive platform I had. Now I like a nice 331/347 stroker, especially with some AFR heads, forged bottom end, good induction, and nice fuel system, but if you'll spend less than $5000 on that kinda of engine. On top of that your getting an aluminum block and killer heads with the LS series. An LS1 with a healthy cam, AFR heads(or ported stock), long tubes and good exhaust, LS6 intake, with stock fuel system with LS1 edit tuning is an easy 10second capable car. Thats with either a M6 or auto with nice stall. I wish they would put the LS1 in something other than a GM, but ford is bound to use the mod motors which I really dont care for. Oh well.
Well I guess I was safe to jump on the OHV LS1 bandwagon on a Fox Tbird/Cougar forum. :)
No prob, Im not the kind of person that is so loyal to a certain thing that I forget all logic lol. I like going fast :D, and preferably inexpensively and reliably.
what was the stroke and cubes on the 5.0..im curious. i cant realy bash the chevys cause im ignorant to them. i dont follow them, they dont interest me. most of the time your talking apples to oranges anyway with the chevy to ford argument. all i have is my opinion based on what ive experianced.
EDIT 347 cubes...duh should have read the title ;)
im deff. not a chevy guy. but you cant argue the power of those engines. corvettes, firebirds, camaros and trans ams are sweet cars no doubt. my uncles got an 01 vette, 6 speed with no mods. the car is fast, comfortable and gets 27 mpg. personally, the car itself doesnt do it for me and forget about the camaro and the firebirt/trans am. i cant stand the feel or ride they have. ill never own one. the mustang may be slower but id own a cobra over any chevy anyday purely because i would enjoy the car more.
back to my uncles vette. 21k on it. sometimes at a stoplight the gagues will go wacky or the power windows wont work or it will have some other kind of glitch. i asked him about that and all the vettes he has had did the same thing. fiberglass car is obviously poorly grounded. its also on the second engine. the first one butnt 2 quarts in 3k miles. chevy says 1.5 is acceptable but they would warrenty because it is above that. i dunno. i guess i would expect more from a 50k car.
nobody makes a perfect car. i belive ford owned the 80s and early 90s. they did better by the end of the 90s and up to now still have a great hand in the game. the mod motors may be short on some power but they are IMHO ahead in technology.
if you want to argue power, well out of all of the fords ive owned, none of them would stay with say a 98 camaro 6 speed. the mark 8 maybe with the nos. but there again your looking at 281 cubes going after 350.
they make more power yes...but chevy is always going to blow as far as im concerned. rarely do they catch my eye but i never miss a stang or a turbo coupe...
sorry for the lowsy rant. im boared
i personally love the f-bodies, ive been a fan since i was young, i dont like the 80-81, and thats about it really
i grew up around thirdgens, the 93-97 LT1 cars arnt my favorite, but the 98+ with the LS1 just does it for me, how id love to have a 2002-2003 WS6, in Sunset Orange Metallic, the polished 17" wheels, and a T56
Honestly, I would without question by a 98-02 SS or WS6 M6 if the price was right. Who knows.... ;)
yeah. friend of mines brother had a nice black 98 SS that he bought new. deffinetly a nice car. he drives it like a grandma though. just about made him wet himself when he let me take it for a drive. suprised the out of me as well actually. quite the car. but for the beans id rather pick up a cobra. i know it aint gonna be as fast but the stangs do it for me way more than those cars.
actually, i dont even know what that is. last of the camaro i suspact.
Firebird, WS6 is the package, like a camaro Z28, i actually dont know what M6 means though
Like most people, I dislike F-bodies. Its quite ironic that in 1998 when they got the LS1 that sales slipped another 40%.
GM sure knows how to make , but their powertrain division definitely got it right. There's a reason the Mustang is still around, its a better package.
My brother has 1,500 miles on his '97 WS6 Ram Air T/A 6-speed. That's fifteen hundred miles. The A-pillar covers shake to any road imperfection, and the fender had to be realigned twice since owning the car new. When you bought an F-body, you bought it for the drivetrain and looks, not the quality. ;)
Not that the Mustang was much better. Headlight switches overloading, ash tray lids breaking, and so on...thus is the legacy of the Fox cars. However, in 1989 you could get a bone-stock Mustang 5.0 LX 5-speed coupe, crank up windows, no a/c, no power anything, for $11G and kick the out of most anything on the road. THAT is a value, and the reason why they sold so well. The fact that the 302 was so tried and true, durable and seasoned made it one formidable motor. And Ford has, and always will, use better plastics and interior materials than comparable GM cars. As Jeeves said, the Mustang was a better package overall.
I love the F-bodies...always have. I remember being very young, travelling with my parents in the car, and my brother and I would look out our respective windows to count the Firebirds we saw--and there were a lot of them back then. My brother now owns 3 of them: the '97 mentioned above, a 1980 T/A 301 4-speed (transplanted), and a '73 T/A 455 (not the Super Duty but still a beast). They might have been small inside and had cheaper components, but they still look ed awesome today.
Oh, BTW...we never counted Camaros. Even at ages 5 and 7 we knew they sucked. ;)
6 speed manual. I almost bought a 1996 Firebird right before I bought this Cougar I have now. LT1 motor, auto, red, 6K, some exhaust mods, 3.73's. That was in late 97 when I was 21. Insurance was WAY TOO HIGH! Glad I went with the Cougar :D
M6...i usually just say "with a T56"
Well 374hp and 380 tork out of 347inchs is not bad.
I have seen 347s make even more but then there not street able.
What i find sad about people spending money to make a 347 when a 351 can be built for less and make more power.
My 351 put 360hp and 399 tork to the wheels on a dyno jet :)
I will be hitting dyno again to se how it goes on the bottle.
Drove a brand new 2000 Camaro SS back in the day. 10mi on the clock. So new it still had plastic on the seats, plastic cover over the antenna threads, and a made in Canada sticker on the windshield. :canada:
Dirt in the paint, some rattle in the dash, and the T roofs squeaked away like mad. Gawd that car was fast and handled nice, but it was a turd!.
Um....my bro's T/A
still has the plastic on the carpeting. :D
He also has the original floormats in the box, and bought another set to use. The a/c and heater have never been used...neither has the rear defroster. The only reason the seats don't have plastic on them is because the owner of the dealership where my brother bought the car insisted on driving it home for a few nights. That dude removed the plastic; otherwise they'd still be on there, I'm sure.
But yeah, his T-tops squeak too. Must be one of those unadvertised options or something. ;)
lol..part of the inconveniance package i guess ;)
You said it Eric, when you buy an Fbody it is for the drivetrain, not the quality of the chasis lol. My friends 98 SS ride quality is rough as hell, but it'll move. I like the body lines of the WS6 firebirds, I just think they are shagy, but I am in no way glorifying the quality of the cars, I just like the LS1/M6(or T56 lol) combination. I wish Ford made an OHV V8 still with the innovation of the LS1 engine. *dreams* I guess the Cobra 4v mod motor isnt too bad in blown form. Id like to get an 03-04 Cobra, I just cant see myself driving a GM product.
yeah, it would be nice if mainstream Ford put out a runner that could at least keep up with any of the chevy performance cars. the 05 mustang gt moves i guess but i dont think it would hold a candle to the 98 ss i drove. its always been left to the SVT to git er done.
the lingenfelter chevy stuff is nothing to sneeze at