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Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 86XR7project on October 21, 2009, 11:30:23 AM
A friend of mine is into MN12s and emailed these to me, and I thought they were pretty cool. I figured it would be a good idea to share them with my good friends on here.

The first ones are a few underside shots of the Cougar XR7 AWD mule that had been planned and ended up being sped.
(http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww307/85XR7Project/MN12AWDrear.jpg)
(http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww307/85XR7Project/MN12AWDmid.jpg)
(http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww307/85XR7Project/MN12AWDfront.jpg)

Next is a test mule for the Supercoupe 3.8. Apparently the car was used by the Dearborn Police Dept. but this is pretty dang cool.
(http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww307/85XR7Project/FoxSC.jpg)
(http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww307/85XR7Project/DearbornPolice.jpg)
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: bhazard on October 21, 2009, 12:15:00 PM
Sweet. Ford made a factory 3.8SC Fox.


Bet these cars are long-ago recycled. heh
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 86XR7project on October 21, 2009, 12:33:21 PM
I hear the AWD SC is being restored
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: t3skidoo on October 21, 2009, 01:12:20 PM
I didn't know there was an AWD Cougar.  The SC is green, right?  That means there are at least two MN12 AWD cars.  Any chance you can get side shots of the Cougar, including the wheels?
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 86XR7project on October 21, 2009, 01:18:47 PM
No all the ones I got are shown here but I can ask my buddy if he has anymore.

Edit: In doing a little looking around I found out that the wheels that went on the AWD Thunderbirds and Cougar where actually what ended up being Taurus SHO slicers.

(http://www.taurusclub.com/encyclopedia/G2/Slicer.jpg)
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: DVP on October 21, 2009, 01:57:33 PM
Quote from: 86XR7project;295748
No all the ones I got are shown here but I can ask my buddy if he has anymore.

Edit: In doing a little looking around I found out that the wheels that went on the AWD Thunderbirds and Cougar where actually what ended up being Taurus SHO slicers.

(http://www.taurusclub.com/encyclopedia/G2/Slicer.jpg)


Ahhh, Driver side slicers!!!!
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 86XR7project on October 21, 2009, 02:25:13 PM
Yeah, the Chinese (I think) set that worked only on the left side for two wheels and the right side for the other two. I am pretty sure I have a set on mine sitting in a field.
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 5.0 tbird on October 21, 2009, 03:59:38 PM
The AWD SC has wheels like a Porsche 928.
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 86XR7project on October 21, 2009, 04:20:52 PM
I was just relaying what I had read. As for the rims on that one didn't they use parts for the front suspension and brakes from Porsche?
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: DVP on October 21, 2009, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: 86XR7project;295755
Yeah, the Chinese (I think) set that worked only on the left side for two wheels and the right side for the other two. I am pretty sure I have a set on mine sitting in a field.


I need to get my rims powdercoated and swap on the left side slicers like it came with.
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 86XR7project on October 21, 2009, 05:46:40 PM
I keep thinking about pulling mine out of the weeds and parting it out but I need a truck and a trailer with a winch or a good come along
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 1Bad88tbird on October 23, 2009, 11:36:17 PM
Nice find! I never knew they used the fox body to test the SC. Those police cars looked great!!
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: Ductape91 on October 24, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
those were some interesting pics your freind sent you, thanks for sharing them.
i wonder what trans they used for the AWD SC?
id really like to find out more about that fox tbird with the SC motor, it looks sooo factory makes you wonder why didnt they do that. probly wouldve sold a ton of them but likely wouldve ded in on the mustang sales a bit.
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on October 24, 2009, 02:37:28 PM
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id really like to find out more about that fox tbird with the SC motor, it looks sooo factory makes you wonder why didnt they do that. probly wouldve sold a ton of them but likely wouldve ded in on the mustang sales a bit.


Thats probably the reason. Also would have been more expensive to build/maintain thus increasing the actual pricing of the car probably to close/higher than the mustang.
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: ProTouring442 on October 24, 2009, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: Ductape91;296201
i wonder what trans they used for the AWD SC?


Probably something from their European arm. Unless I am incorrect, several of the cars in Europe were available as AWD.

Quote from: Ductape91;296201
id really like to find out more about that fox tbird with the SC motor, it looks sooo factory makes you wonder why didnt they do that. probly wouldve sold a ton of them but likely wouldve ded in on the mustang sales a bit.


According to the book I have, the SC was planned fairly early for the MN12 platform. They did the installation in the Police cars because they thought it would be a great place to test the drive-train's reliability.

I'm guessing they missed something though as even the non-supercharged 3.8s had trouble with blown head gaskets!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
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Post by: Crash225 on October 24, 2009, 09:57:42 PM
The trans on the awd sc looks like an aod judging from the tranny oil pan. The transfer case and front "transaxle" are anyone's guess.
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: Crash225 on October 24, 2009, 10:00:55 PM
Come to think of it, drivetrain power losses are probably greater than average. I wonder how much of the 210 horses made it to the wheels.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on October 24, 2009, 10:42:03 PM
Those are really cool pics. Right click, save as (and added to my folder of prototype pics which includes some of the AWD SC, a twin turbo 3.8 concept engine, and, of course, the PPG car).

The trans in that is definitely AOD. The transfer case is likely something along the lines of the one used in early 90's AWD Aerostars. The front differential looks to be a one-off (or more accurately, "few off" since there was more than one prototype). The housing looks to be bolted onto the oil pan, and the axle shaft obviously passes through the pan. Wonder if the engine and differential shared lubricants?
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: Watchdevil on October 25, 2009, 12:18:56 AM
Quote from: 5.0 bird;295794
The AWD SC has wheels like a Porsche 928.


Those are actually Mustang SVO wheels!
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: Beau on October 25, 2009, 05:01:34 AM
Cool stuff...I'm gonna do a little hunting on these..makes me curious all the more...

Sticky, btw?
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Post by: ProTouring442 on October 25, 2009, 08:30:43 AM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;296237
Those are really cool pics. Right click, save as (and added to my folder of prototype pics which includes some of the AWD SC, a twin turbo 3.8 concept engine, and, of course, the PPG car).

The trans in that is definitely AOD. The transfer case is likely something along the lines of the one used in early 90's AWD Aerostars. The front differential looks to be a one-off (or more accurately, "few off" since there was more than one prototype). The housing looks to be bolted onto the oil pan, and the axle shaft obviously passes through the pan. Wonder if the engine and differential shared lubricants?

Looking around a bit on Ebay UK, I see that the 4x4 versions of the Sierra XR4X4 used a similar oil pan http://tinyurl.com/Sierra-XR4X4 (http://"http://tinyurl.com/Sierra-XR4X4")

And a similar front differential. http://tinyurl.com/Sierra-XR4x4-front-diff (http://"http://tinyurl.com/Sierra-XR4x4-front-diff")

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 86XR7project on October 25, 2009, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: Crash225;296233
Come to think of it, drivetrain power losses are probably greater than average. I wonder how much of the 210 horses made it to the wheels.


I was told that the early prototypes had around 245Hp but were detuned.
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: DVP on October 26, 2009, 12:23:14 AM
Quote from: 86XR7project;295825
I keep thinking about pulling mine out of the weeds and parting it out but I need a truck and a trailer with a winch or a good come along


Wish you where closer.... I want another one, not that I need another project.
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: 86XR7project on October 26, 2009, 02:23:56 AM
Quote from: DVP;296390
Wish you where closer.... I want another one, not that I need another project.


Its only good for parts really. I mainly keep telling myself to tear it down and sell stuff but I keep putting it off. Body was to rotten to save and the engine has a spun bearing in it. I have pretty much given up hope in EVER seeing that thing back on the road.
Title: Interesting MN12 and Fox pics
Post by: DVP on October 26, 2009, 03:39:19 AM
Quote from: 86XR7project;296396
Its only good for parts really. I mainly keep telling myself to tear it down and sell stuff but I keep putting it off. Body was to rotten to save and the engine has a spun bearing in it. I have pretty much given up hope in EVER seeing that thing back on the road.


Well let me know when you do want to part it.
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Post by: pegasus on October 26, 2009, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: 86XR7project;295743
I hear the AWD SC is being restored


yeah for the past 5years
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Post by: BCA on October 27, 2009, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: Watchdevil;296245
Those are actually Mustang SVO wheels!


It appears that they could be Porsche 928 wheels and not SVO wheels. More specifically 928 fronts.
SVO wheels had 10 slots where 928 wheels had 7 slots.

Neat pics, thanks for sharing.

Brent