General => Lounge => Topic started by: vinnietbird on October 14, 2009, 07:56:07 PM
Title: Dropped off the heads......
Post by: vinnietbird on October 14, 2009, 07:56:07 PM
I took the heads to Performance Machine and dropped them off with the valve springs.They're going to blend the bowls,open up the exhaust ports,do a lot of porting and smoothing and a 5 angle valve job,and when they're finished,they'll also give me a flow sheet with all of the numbers.$250.00.He also told me to look forward to a lot more power....Niiiiiiiice......I told them I'll pick them up on Payday.Funds are low.I think I need to move some parts.I'll have the cam installed by Sunday,and the block and pan painted as well.After I pick up the heads,it'll be a couple of hours and the engine will be ready to drop in.The machine shop is also going to clean and bead blast my replacement front cover and alternator bracket (which I'll be cutting the smog part off of).I'm starting to get tingly feelings. Once I drop in the new engine,I'll have an E303 cam,Ported E-7 heads with 5 angle valve job, and 1.6 roller rockers for sale.Just thought I'd share.
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Post by: dominator on October 14, 2009, 09:41:40 PM
Didn't know you where even changing your combo.
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 15, 2009, 12:15:20 AM
What ??? I posted a thread down in the engine area down stairs here on the forum.I've got almost everything I need except the heads at this point.I'd like to find a wicked cheap GT40 lower intake and the water pipes so I can have the engine as close to doe as possible.I've got to hit the yards and Ebay to find one.
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Post by: Thunderhawk on October 15, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
Vinnie, why just the lower intake?
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Post by: Masejoer on October 15, 2009, 07:48:00 PM
I would assume something like porting - the lower intake he's using now is on the car and cannot be sent out or have time spent on porting it. The lowers can flow like 20% more with porting, matching the flow of the uppers.
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 15, 2009, 07:58:36 PM
^ That's it.Plus,I want to have the replacement engine as ready as possible before installation.
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Post by: V8Demon on October 15, 2009, 08:56:03 PM
What did you decide to do about the different heights between intake and exhaust?
I MAY take the E303. Like I said, I've always wanted to make a lamp out of one ;)
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 15, 2009, 11:18:02 PM
The machine shop is going to handle the cs with the springs and do whatever they need to do.It's on their shoulders now.I just have to write the check.
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 28, 2009, 05:20:23 PM
Hopefully,I should have the heads back tomorrow at some point.If so,I'll post some pics and the flow sheet for them.I can't wait to see them.I should also get my bead blasted front cover and alternator bracket as well.
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Post by: V8Demon on October 28, 2009, 06:25:16 PM
Everything went smoothly then?
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 28, 2009, 07:23:05 PM
I have no idea.I'm assuming so since they haven't called.I'll know one way or the other tomorrow sometime.Probably afternoon.They are really good over there at Performance.These heads are nothing new to them.They do most of the dirt track engines and 1/4 mile guy's engines around here.I'm also going to stop and have another 3G disassembled for me so I can polish it up,then they'll re-assemble it.Better and easier than smoothing and polishing while it's all together.
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Post by: 1986Élan on October 28, 2009, 08:20:22 PM
vinnie how much would you want for your roller rockers i plan on using them in my 3.8 how many miles they have on them and i was wondering is the 3.8 engine set for 3/8 bolt or the 7/6 bolt i dont know if im clear on my question
thanx vin
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 28, 2009, 08:25:33 PM
They are pedestal mount,and they have about less than 10,000 miles on them.They won't be sold until after the other engine is in the Sport,so,I'm unsure when that'll be.I'll be fair with prices and post when it's time.Believe me,I'll be hopefully jumping for joy when the engine swap starts.As far as bolt size,whatever the factory bolt size is that screws into the heads.
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Post by: 1986Élan on October 28, 2009, 08:31:15 PM
i believe that the stock ones on the 3.8 are stud mount and not pedestal are the interchangeable?
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 28, 2009, 08:33:17 PM
Nope,they are different animals between pedestal and stud mount.
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Post by: 1986Élan on October 28, 2009, 08:41:58 PM
man ive tried to look for a cheap set money wise and keep the quality and ive stumbled on a set of scorpions 16 for 230$ us i believe kinda pricey but i dont trust chinese imitations and stuff
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Post by: QUICKSHIFT on October 28, 2009, 09:01:33 PM
STAY AWAY from the scorps as they tend to break around the trunnion area when rpm and open pressure comes into play.
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Post by: 1986Élan on October 28, 2009, 09:12:32 PM
wich brand should i go with then? any suggestions theres alot of sbf brand i believe on ebay and crane(i think they must be pretty good) but they are a lil expensive
thanx for the input
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Post by: Masejoer on October 28, 2009, 09:26:12 PM
My Crane (energizers) are incredibly noisy, even after trying different lifters (factory vs comp cams high energy), additional lifter preload with longer pushrods (6.3in), and checking/rechecking/reshimming dozens of times. I recommend anything but them - they make me want to go back to stamped as there isn't really any benefit other than less/no valve tip wear and by that point the heads should be rebuilt anyways.
They work fine though - I just hear a ton of valvetrain noise after the oil warms up and I'm sitting there idling. I wouldn't recommend scorpions either but only by word of mouth.
Hope all's well once we hear back. I wish I would have done it correct from the beginning after all I've been through - new aftermarket block, aluminum heads, stud mount rockers, forged crankshaft, lighter forged pistons...now I'm stuck with lesser parts for the same price the above would have cost.
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 28, 2009, 09:26:19 PM
Your factory rockers are probably just fine.I wouldn't spend the money on them for a 3.8.Spend the money on something else.I'm going back to factory rockers on the new engine.
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Post by: 32VFoxBird on October 28, 2009, 09:31:26 PM
which heads?
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Post by: vinnietbird on October 28, 2009, 09:34:07 PM
GT40P's
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Post by: blackcougar71 on November 03, 2009, 11:47:11 PM
for rocker arms you can get the tom morana racing ones for your 3.8. they are sorta cheap. but i wouldnt go with them unless your building your v6.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 04, 2009, 06:46:52 AM
Hopefully I'll have the heads today.........I thought that last week,and apparently,it didn't happen.No big deal,I have plenty to keep my busy.Pics as soon as I can.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 04, 2009, 07:15:34 PM
o.K........I picked up the heads today at lunch.The owner was gone,so,I didn't get my flow sheet yet.No big deal.I did like what I saw.The ports were opened up nicely,milled just a little,valve job,new seals,the new springs,just great.I have them loosely bolted to the block waiting for the rest of the bolts to be installed then torque them down.I got my head gaskets and intake gaskets today and a free set of Autolite spark plugs (the Autozone manager "donated" them for the "cause").They are also going to toss in a set of the premium valve cover gaskets.Sweeeeeeet !!!! By or on Saturday (maybe Friday),I should have the heads,front cover,alternator bracket,intake and a few other little things done.Getting closer all the time.I ran out of time today,so,pics hopefully tomorrow (I need three more hours in the day).Stay tuned...............
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Post by: V8Demon on November 04, 2009, 11:27:53 PM
Quote
i have them loosely bolted to the block waiting for the rest of the bolts to be installed then torque them down.
[size="7"]pics.
Nao!!!!![/size]
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Post by: DVP on November 04, 2009, 11:40:01 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;297664
[size="7"]pics.
Nao!!!!![/size]
:beatyoass:
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 05, 2009, 06:47:12 AM
This evening....I PROMISE !!!!
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Post by: ZondaC12 on November 05, 2009, 10:03:00 AM
Okay BUDDY we'll be here a-WAITIN'. :flame:
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on November 05, 2009, 12:36:31 PM
You don't sound excited or anything Vinn. LOL!! I'm glad it's all comming together for you! It should motovate down the road nicely!
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 05, 2009, 06:38:35 PM
Some pics....nothing special.Not as exciting as one might think,but the project is coming along.Hopefully Saturday,I'll have the front cover,water pump,intake,and intake accessories (injectors,sensors,etc) installed.Pics after that.But for now,here's what I have.......
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Post by: 32VFoxBird on November 05, 2009, 06:42:50 PM
wise thinking on the 1-piece oilpan gasket. looks good, man!
and was that a motor you rebuilt?
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 05, 2009, 06:43:35 PM
Oh,on that botom pic it looks like I missed a spot.Touch up paint tomorrow,along with bolting the heads down (they have two bolts each just holding them in place for now).
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on November 05, 2009, 09:09:26 PM
Lookin good! Anytime you can see progress it's exciting, especially for the one doing it.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on November 05, 2009, 09:41:40 PM
Yeah I disagree it's very exciting!!! :p Looks siiiick vinnie. She'll roar real nice. Exhaust ports look nice and big!
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Post by: thunderjet302 on November 05, 2009, 10:47:10 PM
Ford blue engine paint [COLOR="black"][SIZE="5"]FTW![/SIZE][/COLOR] :D:ford: Not like I have a thing for that color on a sbf or anything ;)
The heads look nice btw.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 06, 2009, 12:13:41 AM
The engine,as I've said,only had 30,xxx miles on it.Everything was in seriously clean,near perfect shape.There was NO buildup of any kind inside.The inside of the valve covers,and the heads in general underneath the covers looked new.I left the short block alone,added a new timing chain (double roller),and the heads were ported and I picked them up yesterday.I SHOULD have the heads bolted on tomorrow,and if time is on my side,a little more.The timing cover is also painted Ford blue and the water pump will be left natural aluminum. I am debating on painting the lower intake blue or leaving it natural aluminum.I've had the Cobra lower for a few years in it's natural state,but was thinking something a little different may be in order.Pics on my decision soon.
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Post by: DVP on November 06, 2009, 02:43:43 AM
Leave the lower alone.
Im not a fan of Ford blue blocks as it is but I think with the intake painted too it will be overkill. $.02
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 06, 2009, 07:02:55 AM
I had thought that as well (painted lower being overkill),but,with an EFI engine,there's so much else above that,polished upper intake,CAI,injectors,fuel rail,harness,etc,that I am thinking it might look O.K.. I have to think first,because IF I paint it,once it's done,it's done.I won't be bead blasting it back to original again.Plus,if it's painted,it'll be a little bit different than everyone else with a Cobra style intake.....or any EFI intake for that matter.I want nice,but I don't want to have something like everyone else has.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on November 06, 2009, 09:03:22 AM
Take blue food coloring and put it in a spray bottle and shoot it with that to test if you like it or not. :hick:
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Post by: thunderjet302 on November 06, 2009, 12:04:45 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;297783
The engine,as I've said,only had 30,xxx miles on it.Everything was in seriously clean,near perfect shape.There was NO buildup of any kind inside.The inside of the valve covers,and the heads in general underneath the covers looked new.I left the short block alone,added a new timing chain (double roller),and the heads were ported and I picked them up yesterday.I SHOULD have the heads bolted on tomorrow,and if time is on my side,a little more.The timing cover is also painted Ford blue and the water pump will be left natural aluminum. I am debating on painting the lower intake blue or leaving it natural aluminum.I've had the Cobra lower for a few years in it's natural state,but was thinking something a little different may be in order.Pics on my decision soon.
Quote from: vinnietbird;297801
I had thought that as well (painted lower being overkill),but,with an EFI engine,there's so much else above that,polished upper intake,CAI,injectors,fuel rail,harness,etc,that I am thinking it might look O.K.. I have to think first,because IF I paint it,once it's done,it's done.I won't be bead blasting it back to original again.Plus,if it's painted,it'll be a little bit different than everyone else with a Cobra style intake.....or any EFI intake for that matter.I want nice,but I don't want to have something like everyone else has.
Just so you know my heads, block, oil pan, timing cover, lower intake, and upper intake are all Ford blue. My water pump is natural finish. So if you paint everything Ford blue except the water pump and upper intake you will basically have a duplicate of the paint scheme on my engine. Hell we'll even have the same Cobra valve covers except mine are black crinkle with polished fins and yours are fully polished ;)
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 06, 2009, 05:11:59 PM
There you go.Mine will have (if I paint the lower intake) the polished upper,chrome water thermostat housing,polished valve covers and chrome CAI.I think the blue lower intake would help those things stand out better,BUT,natural aluminum also looks good as contrast with the polished.Decisions decisions.
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Post by: 32VFoxBird on November 06, 2009, 05:53:54 PM
yea, im not really diggin' the blue intake manifold.
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Post by: V8Demon on November 06, 2009, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: 32VFoxBird;297845
yea, im not really diggin' the blue intake manifold.
I'm not sure that blue would go well with the body color on Vin's car.
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Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on November 06, 2009, 07:22:53 PM
That does look stunning Vinnie, but like the other guys said. I wonder if Ford blue will clash with the color of your car. That color looks incredible on that intake though.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 07, 2009, 01:04:28 AM
I have thought about a color "clash",but,I really don't mind the engine standing out like that.Remember the cars from the late 60'?Ford Blue,Chevy orange,Hemi orange,Pontiac blue,etc. etc. no matter what color of a car you had.I think it can still work.One way to find out. I think it would look "right",and not blend in.I actually want it to to go "POW !!!" when I open the hood.I should have it mostly complete tomorrow before or around lunch time.Pics will be here.I'll wheel the engine in the sun light for pics.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 07, 2009, 01:06:56 AM
My upper intake will remain polished aluminum.As will the valve covers,tensioner,alternator,and some chrome (not a lot0.It should look really nice....until I bolt it in and proceed to get it all filthy.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 07, 2009, 07:01:14 PM
Well,no pics.I started work late on the engine.had to go do other things today.I did get the front cover on,the heads are torqued down,rockers and push rods installed,and I was working on the oil pan bolts when I stopped.I also installed the lower intake,injectors,fuel rail,and distributor.I went ahead and painted the lower intake blue.I actually like it.I used the dark Ford Blue.I couldn't find any intake bolts I liked,so,I got out the bench grinder,installed a wire wheel and cleaned the originals.I really like them better than what I was looking for.LOL.I was going to install the water pipes on the lower,but I have to cut off the little water tube that supplies water to the spacer and weld it closed.It isn't used on my car,and I don't want a plug clamped on.I'll have the following done tomorrow at some point....
-oil sending unit and extender -water pump -intake sensors -plugs for back of intake (I'll have to buy some) -timing pointer -**maybe the accessory brackets**
Pics to follow.Man,It's time to chill for a while.Anyway,there's the update.
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Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on November 07, 2009, 07:39:10 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;297963
Well,no pics.I started work late on the engine.had to go do other things today.I did get the front cover on,the heads are torqued down,rockers and push rods installed,and I was working on the oil pan bolts when I stopped.I also installed the lower intake,injectors,fuel rail,and distributor.I went ahead and painted the lower intake blue.I actually like it.I used the dark Ford Blue.I couldn't find any intake bolts I liked,so,I got out the bench grinder,installed a wire wheel and cleaned the originals.I really like them better than what I was looking for.LOL.I was going to install the water pipes on the lower,but I have to cut off the little water tube that supplies water to the spacer and weld it closed.It isn't used on my car,and I don't want a plug clamped on.I'll have the following done tomorrow at some point....
-oil sending unit and extender -water pump -intake sensors -plugs for back of intake (I'll have to buy some) -timing pointer -**maybe the accessory brackets**
Pics to follow.Man,It's time to chill for a while.Anyway,there's the update.
Ok Vinnie. We'll give you 'till tomorrow to get some pics up in here. We've tried being patient with ya, but you're making us wait too long. We want to see what it looks like. I hate to be this way, but if you don't have the pics in here tomorrow, then we're gonna have to pay you a little visit! :beatyoass:
Don't say we didn't warn you! :hick:
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Post by: daminc on November 07, 2009, 07:41:54 PM
You should have done the same green on the motor, and black compartment with the polished aluminum.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 07, 2009, 11:22:23 PM
Quote from: daminc;297973
You should have done the same green on the motor, and black compartment with the polished aluminum.
It's a little late.LOL.I REALLY wanted Ford Blue regardless of the exterior color.The engine compartment will be black though.I want the engine to stand out on it's own.....like it matters.Once I install it it'll get filthy,but for a few weeks at first.....sweetness.Tomorrow morning,I'm going to pick up a few plugs and a couple of bolts for the thermostat housing,then,pics.Hopefully early.I really am close to being done.I am going to wait on the brackets for the accessories.I want to do a little work on them before they go on.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 07, 2009, 11:23:15 PM
Quote from: 88 Blackbird 5.0;297971
Ok Vinnie. We'll give you 'till tomorrow to get some pics up in here. We've tried being patient with ya, but you're making us wait too long. We want to see what it looks like. I hate to be this way, but if you don't have the pics in here tomorrow, then we're gonna have to pay you a little visit! :beatyoass:
Don't say we didn't warn you! :hick:
On the good side,I did post a couple yesterday (or was it the day before????).
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 08, 2009, 03:53:55 PM
O.K.,I got some more work done today.I installed the water pump,balancer,timing pointer,ACT and water temp sensors,under drive pulleys (water pump and crank),,oil sending unit and extender,and the temporary valve covers (only there to keep the engine closed up).Here are a few pics.....
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Post by: Chooglin on November 08, 2009, 04:02:32 PM
looking real good Vinnie,nice work!!!!!
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 08, 2009, 05:33:08 PM
Thanks a lot.I really thought long and hard about whether or not to paint the lower intake.Obviously,I painted it.I'm glad I did.Once I get the water tubes (smaller tube on it) welded up,I'll remove the distributor and install them.One step closer.I've got packages to ship tomorrow,so,probably Tuesday for the water pipes.
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Post by: mercury-man on November 08, 2009, 06:01:59 PM
Sharp looking motor V-man !! :cool: :headbang:
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on November 08, 2009, 06:19:59 PM
Looks good Vinn!! Any idea what kind of hp it should put out?
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 08, 2009, 07:49:31 PM
Quote from: 1Bad88tbird;298093
Looks good Vinn!! Any idea what kind of hp it should put out?
My guess is about 865 horse power.......790 at the wheels.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 08, 2009, 07:52:05 PM
Seriously,I'm hoping for about 300 when it's all said and done.
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on November 08, 2009, 08:05:51 PM
300hp at the tires is a great number. I've done minor mods to mine nothing major. The engine internally is factory stock, the only time the rockers saw daylight in when we put the new valve covers on, but with what I've done with over 130,000 miles it put down 179hp at the tires on the dyno. I would've liked to have seen more but at least it's better than the stock 155hp. And it still gets 20-25mph, so I'm happy with it until the time comes that I can do an engine. I'm anxious to see how your's looks in the car. I'm sure it'll be sweet.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 08, 2009, 08:19:21 PM
I'm getting decent gas mileage as well right now.We'll see what happens with the new engine.I hope to get the Sport to the dyno in the spring of next year.We'll see what happens then.Until then,the "seat of the pants" dyno will have to do after the install.
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Post by: 88 Blackbird 5.0 on November 08, 2009, 08:26:53 PM
Wow Vinnie! That looks incredible man! I can't wait to see the finished product! :)
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Post by: thunderjet302 on November 08, 2009, 09:56:19 PM
I must say great choice with the Ford blue lower. I really like the temporary valve covers. Almost more than the Cobra ones, almost ;)
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 08, 2009, 11:34:53 PM
Quote from: 88 Blackbird 5.0;298116
Wow Vinnie! That looks incredible man! I can't wait to see the finished product! :)
Hey,I'm not too far behind you now.LOL.Brackets coming soon.i may just polish another 3G and install it along with the tensioner I got yesterday.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 08, 2009, 11:37:23 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;298127
I must say great choice with the Ford blue lower. I really like the temporary valve covers. Almost more than the Cobra ones, almost ;)
These valve covers will probably be finding a new home right after the engine swap.I like the look of them though.I'm still browsing for new valve covers.Just looking.I'm not sure if I want to use the Cobra covers or not at this moment.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 13, 2009, 11:48:56 AM
Well,if everything works out,I should have a TC 8.8 with 3.73's next week.I'll be selling the disc parts from it and keeping my drum brakes.It's a lot easier for me that way.I have no interest in swapping brake lines,MC,and such right now.I have engine and interior to deal with.Plus,keeping the drums,I can swap the rear in about an hour or less.There's the new,boring news.
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on November 13, 2009, 12:05:59 PM
I did the same with mine Vinn. The only thing I had to do was get a set of mustang axels, I got a set of 92 Gt's. The abs gear made my wheels stick out too far, we even put the axles in from my 7.5 but they to stuck out too far. The mustang one pulled everything in perfectly. Of course depending on your back spacing you may not have a problem.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 13, 2009, 12:43:19 PM
I'll use the axles and rear cover from the current differential.I drain the fluid,pull the axles,tie up the brake assemblies,unbolt them from the diff,and just drop the rear and reverse the process.No bleeding brakes,no worries.I am sure that my gas mileage will suffer a little,but,I am willing to live with it.Most all of my driving is right here in town anyway,and the added gear with the new engine can't hurt.
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Post by: 88turbo on November 13, 2009, 01:04:57 PM
hey that fuel rail looks familiar. where'd you get it? :hick:
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 14, 2009, 07:09:53 AM
I got the rail from some guy up north of Oklahoma.He seems to be a little mental,but good to do business with.LOL.LOL.
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Post by: Beau on November 14, 2009, 08:52:09 AM
I think I ran into that fella one time...yeah, he's a cool cat ;)