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I think someone has been off his meds for too long.  That he scored a tv show means either he's not the only one in need of prescription, or he gives great cranium.

You mean this ain't the you tube dancing wedding party ??

So what do you think ;0)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqfuZ7hiap0

i think someone has been off his meds for too long.  That he scored a tv show means either he's not the only one in need of prescription, or he gives great cranium.

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             i think someone has been off his meds for too long. That he scored a tv show means either he's not the only one in need of prescription, or he gives great cranium.
                         
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Thats an odd response to a well founded point made.  Flip everything around to your opinion of an individual and ignore the substance of the converstation.

maybe you want the substance to become a reality,, you want to see america fall,, you crave it happening because somewhere along the way america let you down and now its time to pay everyone back.

Well, ok.  My wife, who is the County Republican chair, and I, watch the Glenn Beck show every day.  The only thing I'll say about the cash for clunkers  is this:  people who don't have the money are willing to trade in their payed for vehicle to get a new car that will create a big monthly payment, further pushing them behind the recovery.  $4500 off the purchase price of a $20,000 vehicle is $15,500 they could have spent on paying off credit cards, gas, and repair bills (keep the mechanics working) and instead they are allowing the car manufacturers to sell a few more cars (are they American cars?) just so the manufacturers can pay back the loan to the Govt.  How many cars does the manufacturers have to sell before the lots across the country are bare enough to warrant more car production?  I fail to see how the CARS program will work to pull this country out of a recession.  Also, I fail to see how this country will recover when the gas prices continue to rise.  Supply and demand.  But my wife is much better at this than I am, so I leave the debates up to her, and I chime in with a joke to break the ice after she creates such a stunned silence in the air on her liberal adversaries.

Glenn Beck seems extreme at times

                                                fox would never report on this sort of thing when bush was in office

Just in case anybody thinks we all agree, I have to state that Beck is a babbling psychopath who should be in an asylum.

You're too kind.  I had something else in mind, involving large hungry carnivores.  He'd still have a camera on him, though.

the verbage used in that agreement was to cover their own ass

You're too kind.  I had something else in mind, involving large hungry carnivores.  He'd still have a camera on him, though.

Do you have any idea how offensive Beck is to me?

I'd lol, but it's his not so hidden bigotry

YOU posted a clip of an offensive broadcaster

Really, do think questioning someone's patriotism is the right thing to do

So can one of my "guys" Jay Severin BUT, more extreme than who? Current "big guy", I don't think so.
I have always though of myself as middle of the road. Until this last election i never voted, never really paid much attention. Wish i did and more often...


Bottom line though, What freaking BUSINESS what so ever has any business having such language in their user agreement? And if people cought wind, who in their right mind (other than the drones with their head down in denial) would aver accept...?

Holy shiznit man, it way so totally goes the other way with the current office and general media...good god...who do you think won the election?


Seriously, i DO NOT want another thread locked here...I was very stunned (not really surprised at all actually but dissapointed) when i heard this. I genuinely wanted well rounded opinions on this from a diverse croud. NOT from a "political" site where everyone has an agenda or is hard core left/right....To be either merits a "mental health check". I wanted opinions from average guys that are a little more like me and less like the yuppies........

  It was said that I don't take it seriously, I tried to prove otherwise, that's all.

The point is simple: there is the truth, and there are lies. There is information, and there is deliberate misinformation. There are facts, and there are distortions of reality.

And if you don’t know the difference between them, that’s a shame. But that doesn’t mean that the sane, intelligent, fact-seekers among us are responsible for your idiocy – its existence, its perpetration, its promotion, or its consequences.

If you are reading this on a computer, you have access to the truth. Use it. If you’re a computer dummy who doesn’t know how to search out real information, ask someone to assist you. It’s that simple – so stop being simple-minded and get with the program.

If you honestly believe that someone like Rush Limbaugh is a straight-shooter who wouldn’t lie to you, do some research into his background. Then ask yourself if a drug-addled bigot who makes his living riling up hate and discord might not have a financial agenda in roping-in gullible people like you and keeping them as part of his “audience share” – the numbers upon which his income is based.

The same goes for Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, and the rest of their ilk. These people aren’t stupid – they make their living by spewing complete and utter bullshiznit, knowing that people like you ARE too stupid to question it, no matter how incredibly ridiculous it is.

If you truly believe that Obama’s healthcare reform program includes talking your grandmother into being euthanized – or any of the other  you’ve been hearing – you are an idiot, plain and simple. The facts about what is being proposed are out there, readily available. If you can’t be bothered to avail yourself of those facts, then shut up and allow those who can be bothered to inform themselves do the talking. We already have more than enough morons speaking out from a position of complete ignorance – you needn’t add to their numbers.

If you sincerely accept that someone like Orly Taitz, who can’t put a sentence together without making a public fool of herself, knows what she’s talking about, you are as much of a fool as she is – maybe more so.

If you believe that Sarah Palin’s ramblings – along with her hypocrisy, her questionable ethics, her complete inability to speak coherently or advisedly on every subject from how government operates to foreign affairs – qualify her as a leader of this nation or any other, you are just plain delusional.

The greatest threat to this country right now is the stupidity of people like you. In today’s technological world, there is no excuse for not being well-informed by reliable sources – not the gibberish you swallow from alleged “news organizations” that fill your head with nonsense because you are too lazy, or just too dumb, to allow a fact into your brainless head.

We all have our opinion as to whether the interests of our nation are best served by Democrats or Republicans, progressives or conservatives, far-leftists, far-rightists, centrists – or any combination of the above.

But on the topic of who can contribute the most to the serving the best interests of all citizens, there is one truth that is, on its face, self-evident: those of you who live in self-imposed ignorance, or hold onto your stupidity as though it was something to be proud of, are completely, unequivocally, and undeniably useless.

Abject Stupidity – we may never wipe it out in our lifetime. But if people like YOU can’t be bothered to get a brain, you can at least understand why the rest of us can’t be bothered to listen to a pointless word you say.

Are we elitists? You betcha! (Couldn’t resist translating that last comment into Palinese in an attempt to be understood by the intellectually impaired). We who seek out the real information behind proposed legislation and what it means are - you'll forgive me or not - bored to tears by those of you who can't conjure up the necessary energy to know what it is you're talking about BEFORE opening your big, fat mouths.

Debate the informed among us on the facts of an issue, and we’re all ears. We may not agree with you, but we are willing to engage in honest discussion.

But if all you are capable of is parroting the talking points spewed BY the ignorant FOR the ignorant, you will find that we who can actually THINK have better things to do than listen.

Got that? Good. It’s about time you finally got something.

It's a start.

I read this rant today which perfectly to a "T" describes why I will never debate people who get their news from corporate media      s:

I would be really surprised if the disclaimer on the CARS site wasn't a product of the Dept of Homeland Security, and is likely buried somewhere on every gov website. You know, that same Dept of Homeland Security, the one trampling all over civil rights and liberties of US citizens daily.

The CARS program is shiznit, and it's going to come around and bite everyone in the ass.

(Don't mistake this for me being anywhere close to conservative in my political leanings...very far from it.  A bad idea is a bad idea, no matter where it comes from)

This thread has already gotten far more political than we generally allow on this forum, but what the hell, I'll throw some gas on the fire before it gets really ugly and inevitably closed. Time to push this thing off a cliff:

I would be really surprised if the disclaimer on the CARS site wasn't a product of the Dept of Homeland Security, and is likely buried somewhere on every gov website. You know, that same Dept of Homeland Security, the one trampling all over civil rights and liberties of US citizens daily, that is a Bush legacy. I don't know what's more deplorable: The Republicans' very active and very blatant (and very sadly, apparently successful) attempts at dividing the country, or the fact that many people are falling for the propaganda, and in turn spreading it themselves with no regard whatsoever as to its truthfulness (the ignorant, factless statements being made all over the place about C4C, such as what happens to the car when it's turned in, and people claiming you have to pay taxes on the grants are but two examples out of about eleventy billion). It's almost like the Republicans are gunning for civil war and are using any stupid old thing they can come up with to try to start it, including something that is likely very much a product of their own policies (the cars.gov disclaimer), and other things that are definitely  products of their own policies (the shiznitty economy, the auto bailout, which was a legacy of Bush, the even bigger banking bailout, which was another legacy of Bush, etc), not to mention things with no basis in truth whatsoever (Obama's birth) but they've grabbed it and run with it simply because it's another wedge to divide the nation. It took Bush 8 years to wreck the economy, yet Republicans are turning on the propaganda machine against Obama because he couldn't turn it around in less than 200 days? Bush gave away three quarters of a trillion dollars to the banks with no strings attached, yet the Republicans are gleefully watching Obama twist in the wind while trying to come up with ways to pay for it? They're resisting everything Obama tries to do, throwing up every roadblock they can, then very publicly chastising him for not doing it?

Republicans can cry about Obama all they want, but it is the Republicans that are driving your country into the shiznitter with their hypocrisy, underhanded tactics, propaganda, etc. Divide and conquer, that is their goal.

And don't mistake me for some left-leaning loon, either. I am no liberal. I believe in capital punishment, I believe in stricter sentences for criminals, I am against governments supporting private businesses and I own and use guns (hunting rifles, anyway). I drive a big, polluting V8 T-Bird with no catalytic converters. I resent every nickel that goes to the taxman, especially when I see those nickels being wasted on the aforementioned corporate bailouts, or even worse, supporting a lazy bum of a woman whose sole means of earning a living is to keep herself constantly knocked up so she can stay on welfare indefinitely.

I'm no right wing nut job either. Being Canadian, and having experienced firsthand that just about all of the propaganda spread by US conservatives about public health care are untrue and the few tidbits that have some truth to them are far outweighed by the benefits, I fully support it. I also believe that the state should not be legislating morals, and that everyone should be given the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (and this includes gay marriage, immigration, freedom from religious persecution, etc). I think that corporate lobbying should be outlawed, as it is nothing more than legalized bribery (just as gov't should not be running private industry, private industry should not be running the government). And while I do not think the government should be paying for private business, I do believe they should be regulating it. Not excessively regulated, of course, but regulated just enough to keep it honest, both to shareholders and to the public (the lack of which being what got the economy to the point it is today).

Now, let's see how long it is before the insults start flying and the thread is locked (which will show, once and for all, why we cannot allow political discussions on this forum).

I would be really surprised if the disclaimer on the CARS site wasn't a product of the Dept of Homeland Security, and is likely buried somewhere on every gov website. You know, that same Dept of Homeland Security, the one trampling all over civil rights and liberties of US citizens daily, that is a Bush legacy.

It just shows in spades what the rant I posted earlier was pointing out.

Bushco used the Constitution as toilet paper, yet those who would listen to their corporate w of choice have no idea that Bush was trampling all over the rights of Americans all along. Makes me laugh my ass off to see the utter utter utter impossibly ridiculous hypocrisy of those who are just now noticing what Bush did for many years - and blaming Obama for it!

Dear God, somebody shoot me now - these people are too stupid to live.

It just shows in spades what the rant I posted earlier was pointing out.

Bushco used the Constitution as toilet paper, yet those who would listen to their corporate w of choice have no idea that Bush was trampling all over the rights of Americans all along. Makes me laugh my ass off to see the utter utter utter impossibly ridiculous hypocrisy of those who are just now noticing what Bush did for many years - and blaming Obama for it!

Dear God, somebody shoot me now - these people are too stupid to live.

... no matter what any Republican says while gleefully pointing out that Obama hasn't changed the world in his first 200 days.

you think?
I dono, a car is a little more easier to afford than a house under the same conditions (ie- superfunding).

I would think a household income of 30k could likely afford a final balance of 20k spread out over a few years rather than 600k for a house spread across 30-50 years.

It has a banking appearance that its almost doable for many low income folks.

hope it works but........ I also hope it does not become a perm thing.

Yes, I do think so.  The only people it is "helping" are those folks who were thinking about buying a new car anyway and are looking for an easy way to unload that SUV they bought, which is usually a second or third car in some cases.

The people who can actually use a reliable, newer mode of transportation are those people who are struggling to make ends meet and have one older car.  CARS or not, they can't afford a new car and all the additional expenses, such as the higher cost of insurance and plates, not to mention the taxes.  The cars they COULD afford, and get many more years of use out of are the ones being traded in on this program, and summarily destroyed, all in the name of "progress".  To quite a few folks, a 10yr old car, in good running order is a step up.

The media is all a flutter right now reporting that "dealerships are running out of cars", and trying to prop up what a good thing this program is for the economy, but it's all smoke and mirrors.  When the money dries up, people are not going to be flocking to dealerships to buy cars, because the people who couldn't afford it in the first place, still won't be able to, and those who took advantage of the program won't be out to buy another car anytime soon.  Car sales will drop again, and the complaining about how bad the economy is will begin anew.

The just went full retard when they decided to give more money to it.  And we all know, you never go full retard.

The just went full retard when they decided to give more money to it.  And we all know, you never go full retard.

. Name one thing that the government runs so well .

The just went full retard when they decided to give more money to it.  And we all know, you never go full retard.

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... And if you think that this plan wouldn't have come into being with ANY other person in the WH, you are pretty naive.  The system is broken, period.

I suppose you can take it that way if you want, but it wasn't intended as a specific statement, but don't turn any of my statements around to suit your Obama-bashing.

I don't discrimiate...all politicians suck.  And if you think that this plan wouldn't have come into being with ANY other person in the WH, you are pretty naive.  The system is broken, period.

I suppose you can take it that way if you want, but it wasn't intended as a specific statement, but don't turn any of my statements around to suit your Obama-bashing.

I don't discrimiate...all politicians suck.  And if you think that this plan wouldn't have come into being with ANY other person in the WH, you are pretty naive.  The system is broken, period.

I actually don't mind Obama at all. I am a registered democrat and voted for him. I don't lean either way, and agree that the system is broke.

oh, by the way....

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Did you read this whole thread? I said I'd make an exception as long as it doesn't get ugly, and so far it hasn't gotten ugly.

And to put the "Any party would've done it" theory into perspective, I just read in the newspaper that the Canadian government is mulling our own C4C (in which case I will be truly pissed). The Canadian government happens to be a Conservative government (the Canadian equivalent to the Republicans).