Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: massCougarxr7 on July 14, 2009, 01:37:45 PM
Post by: massCougarxr7 on July 14, 2009, 01:37:45 PM
Soo, i came up with this rediculious idea.....
id like to see someone put a turbo diesel in a fox....yes i know, custom fab work would be a must,,, im also assuming a custom oil pan, and possibly custom k-member....
Just a stock 7.3, chipped, exhaust,..... id bet itd be one fun ride!!!
id like to see someone put a turbo diesel in a fox....yes i know, custom fab work would be a must,,, im also assuming a custom oil pan, and possibly custom k-member....
Just a stock 7.3, chipped, exhaust,..... id bet itd be one fun ride!!!
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: Beau on July 14, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
Post by: Beau on July 14, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
It be a heavy . lol
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: jpc647 on July 14, 2009, 03:24:39 PM
Post by: jpc647 on July 14, 2009, 03:24:39 PM
Not so dumb, I know of a 89 lincoln with a diesel motor in it.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: CoogarXR on July 14, 2009, 03:56:11 PM
Post by: CoogarXR on July 14, 2009, 03:56:11 PM
Yes, the lincoln mark vii was available with a BMW straight six turbo diesel. These are pretty rare though.
CoogarXR
CoogarXR
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: bhazard on July 14, 2009, 04:23:14 PM
Post by: bhazard on July 14, 2009, 04:23:14 PM
Not in 1989 though.
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Post by: 86caprirs on July 14, 2009, 07:19:04 PM
Post by: 86caprirs on July 14, 2009, 07:19:04 PM
Wh diesel. Buy a truck if you want a diesel.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: HAVI on July 14, 2009, 07:28:09 PM
Post by: HAVI on July 14, 2009, 07:28:09 PM
Growing up, I used to drive my grandmother around using my grandfather's Buick Park Ave. with a diesel. It was actually more economical and powerful than a gas engine "boat" of that size.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: bhazard on July 14, 2009, 07:41:53 PM
Post by: bhazard on July 14, 2009, 07:41:53 PM
Thats cause it was a diesel, and thats what diesels do. I dont understand why people think they belong in trucks only. Youre saying that VW TDi's that get 50+mpg shouldnt exist?
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on July 14, 2009, 08:19:45 PM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on July 14, 2009, 08:19:45 PM
Quote from: HAVI;282200
Growing up, I used to drive my grandmother around using my grandfather's Buick Park Ave. with a diesel. It was actually more economical and powerful than a gas engine "boat" of that size.
I seriously doubt it was more powerful, maybe on par with a V6 gas motor but defiantly not a gas V8... What do I know about the 350 Olds Diesels(that were almost all GM V8 diesel installs)??? I owned two of them in Cutlasses, a S/W(for 5 years) and a 4dr sdn(maybe 6mo, liked the S/W better)... HP for my '81s was 105, not exactly a screamer, the early ones were rated 125hp... Those used a different injector pump and injectors... I did have the 125hp pump on the wagon for awhile, and it made more power but smoked so bad I was afraid I'd get a ticket, so I swapped it for another 105hp pump(orig had failed)...
The wagon would knock off 32-33mpg on the highway(exactly what the 4cyl MPG Stang II I was driving prior would give), ran that thing from here to Xenia OH for a All Ford Show in '92(this was way before Carlisle started their all Ford show)... Would only make 45mph up the mountains on I-64 in VA & WV but it'd keep trying... In 3rd the Stang would run 65 up the mountains, but of course it weighed prob 800-900lbs less...
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 14, 2009, 08:20:55 PM
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 14, 2009, 08:20:55 PM
I've long dreamed of a diesel Fox daily driver. A 7.3 would be a no-go though. Those engines are HUGE!!!!! Some much better (and more powerful, and more economical) swap candidates would be the GM/Isuzu 6.6 Duramax (saw a Mustang in a magazine with a Duramax, I believe it ran 10's and got 35 MPG) or the Mercedes Bluetec V6
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: softtouch on July 14, 2009, 10:14:45 PM
Post by: softtouch on July 14, 2009, 10:14:45 PM
How about one of these.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: 86XR7project on July 14, 2009, 10:29:39 PM
Post by: 86XR7project on July 14, 2009, 10:29:39 PM
Anyone drive a TDi before? I have (I sold them of course) they are peppy little cars, I really don't see people's fears of Diesel cars is. In Europe 99% of cars sold there have a Diesel option even their sporty cars. I think it'd be a neat idea.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: HAVI on July 14, 2009, 11:08:57 PM
Post by: HAVI on July 14, 2009, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;282204
I seriously doubt it was more powerful, maybe on par with a V6 gas motor but defiantly not a gas V8... What do I know about the 350 Olds Diesels(that were almost all GM V8 diesel installs)??? I owned two of them in Cutlasses, a S/W(for 5 years) and a 4dr sdn(maybe 6mo, liked the S/W better)... HP for my '81s was 105, not exactly a screamer, the early ones were rated 125hp... Those used a different injector pump and injectors... I did have the 125hp pump on the wagon for awhile, and it made more power but smoked so bad I was afraid I'd get a ticket, so I swapped it for another 105hp pump(orig had failed)...
The wagon would knock off 32-33mpg on the highway(exactly what the 4cyl MPG Stang II I was driving prior would give), ran that thing from here to Xenia OH for a All Ford Show in '92(this was way before Carlisle started their all Ford show)... Would only make 45mph up the mountains on I-64 in VA & WV but it'd keep trying... In 3rd the Stang would run 65 up the mountains, but of course it weighed prob 800-900lbs less...
Probably so, since the only thing I could compare to was my '78 f150 4x4.
IIRC, Even the Ford Focus had a diesel in Europe.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: massCougarxr7 on July 15, 2009, 05:29:26 PM
Post by: massCougarxr7 on July 15, 2009, 05:29:26 PM
Im not talkin daily driver,....anything is possible... but i was watching speed channel and this banks guy was saying that they want to take diesel int 200+mph,.......ummmmm yeah , sighn me up!!!! besides,.. if a truck has to be launched in 4wd,....(on a strip)... and the thing can MOVE...... why not in a car????
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: Live Fast on July 15, 2009, 08:22:13 PM
Post by: Live Fast on July 15, 2009, 08:22:13 PM
There is a 06 vette around here with a duramax in it. He lives in raleigh but comes to alot of meets and shows around here. Sounds pretty sick!
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: FLSTCI71 on July 15, 2009, 10:41:15 PM
Post by: FLSTCI71 on July 15, 2009, 10:41:15 PM
Hey massCougar, do you have insomnia or something? When/Why do you come up with these ideas? lol.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: V8Demon on July 15, 2009, 11:17:21 PM
Post by: V8Demon on July 15, 2009, 11:17:21 PM
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What do I know about the 350 Olds Diesels(that were almost all GM V8 diesel installs)???
My first car was a '78 Olds Regency with the gas motor Olds 350....
Shortly after getting rid of it I found it's twin -- same year, color, interior, wheels, etc. save for the fact it was a diesel. I pestered the owner for months and he wouldn't sell. This was in 1995 and the car looked as if it had just rolled off of the assembly line.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on July 16, 2009, 09:32:37 AM
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on July 16, 2009, 09:32:37 AM
LOL Paul you're probably lucky he didn't sell it...
The 350 & 260 Olds V8s were a POS(especially the pre '81s)... The 4.3L V6 was a bit better but still had crank & piston issues... Was common for the V8s to break head bolts and of course blow HGs... A diesel without water will keep on going and just about glows, so most were junk after the HG went... My Ex brother-in-law worked at a place that specialized in diesel to gas conversions, seen engines they pulled that had the crank blown out the bottom, due to the main webs busting(big prob on the pre '81s).. Hell they wouldn't rev past 4500...
I broke a head bolt on mine one morning going to work, must have happened just prior to getting there... Was dripping coolant when I parked it and was coming out around a HB, luckily it was external and not one inside the valve cover... I used a long drill bit to drill the piece that was still in the block and it backed out with a Easyout... Installed another bolt and it was fine...
Finally sold it to a neighbor... Told them they didn't want it, but they were needing a car badly and with four kids the SW was just what they wanted... Suggested they warm it up before driving it in cold weather(I did even in warm weather), as loading one cold is extremely hard on a diesel... Guess they didn't listen, I'd hear it fire off and go clanking down the street, lasted maybe 6mo before it busted a piston...
The 350 & 260 Olds V8s were a POS(especially the pre '81s)... The 4.3L V6 was a bit better but still had crank & piston issues... Was common for the V8s to break head bolts and of course blow HGs... A diesel without water will keep on going and just about glows, so most were junk after the HG went... My Ex brother-in-law worked at a place that specialized in diesel to gas conversions, seen engines they pulled that had the crank blown out the bottom, due to the main webs busting(big prob on the pre '81s).. Hell they wouldn't rev past 4500...
I broke a head bolt on mine one morning going to work, must have happened just prior to getting there... Was dripping coolant when I parked it and was coming out around a HB, luckily it was external and not one inside the valve cover... I used a long drill bit to drill the piece that was still in the block and it backed out with a Easyout... Installed another bolt and it was fine...
Finally sold it to a neighbor... Told them they didn't want it, but they were needing a car badly and with four kids the SW was just what they wanted... Suggested they warm it up before driving it in cold weather(I did even in warm weather), as loading one cold is extremely hard on a diesel... Guess they didn't listen, I'd hear it fire off and go clanking down the street, lasted maybe 6mo before it busted a piston...
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: ProTouring442 on July 16, 2009, 11:05:37 AM
Post by: ProTouring442 on July 16, 2009, 11:05:37 AM
The problem with the Oldsmobile Diesel was that Olds did not intend to mass produce the engine so quickly. Instead, they were to release them on a very limited basis with an "engine swap" warranty similar to the LT-5 Corvette warranty. When someone came in with a problem, the dealer was supposed to remove the whole engine, swap it with a "loaner," and send the broken one back to Olds for testing. Unfortunately, despite Oldsmobile's warnings, GM decided that the engine should be put in nearly everything. After a few teething problems, the engine actually turned out to be fairly reliable if the oil was changed every 3,000 miles with near religious obedience to the schedule. Of course, most consumers do not adhere to the maintenance scheduled with any degree of regularity, and coupled with the engines too-small oil pan, many problems thus ensued.
They could be reliable however, as when I was wrenching, I had a handful of customers who got well in excess of 150,000 miles out of theirs.
Shiny Side up!
Bill
They could be reliable however, as when I was wrenching, I had a handful of customers who got well in excess of 150,000 miles out of theirs.
Shiny Side up!
Bill
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: 88FoxBird on July 25, 2009, 03:15:41 PM
Post by: 88FoxBird on July 25, 2009, 03:15:41 PM
IMO the only thing good about those diesel olds 350s are the block. Take that block and with the right crank and rods you punch it out to 440cui and have yourself a beast of a smallblock olds.
Title: factory ford diesel in escort
Post by: daddybair7 on July 31, 2009, 10:31:59 PM
Post by: daddybair7 on July 31, 2009, 10:31:59 PM
this is a buddys car im first up to buy it if he decides to sell it:hick:
the car only has 100,000 on it his dad bought it new . he still gets 59mpg highway at 55/60 and anything over 70 he get around 50mpg's
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: massCougarxr7 on August 01, 2009, 04:22:45 PM
Post by: massCougarxr7 on August 01, 2009, 04:22:45 PM
i want power... not an escort!!! lol j/k.....i bet that thing sounds funny....
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: shame302 on August 02, 2009, 01:16:03 AM
Post by: shame302 on August 02, 2009, 01:16:03 AM
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if a truck has to be launched in 4wd,....(on a strip)... and the thing can MOVE...... why not in a car????
I understand trying to be different but isn't driving fords red headed stepchild different enough? Why not stick to something more affordable and easy to come by, maintain, and mod like the good old 5.0 or what have you? Sure the huge, heavy diesel has a place but it isn't in a fox, Unless you have deep ass pockets.
Chances are a bolt on 5.0 or at boosted one will be plenty fast enough.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: HAVI on August 02, 2009, 10:14:53 AM
Post by: HAVI on August 02, 2009, 10:14:53 AM
One of them there Escorts would be nice for my daily commute. Not much good for anything else, lol.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: daddybair7 on August 02, 2009, 11:29:57 AM
Post by: daddybair7 on August 02, 2009, 11:29:57 AM
thats what it will be for a dd
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: massCougarxr7 on August 02, 2009, 10:28:31 PM
Post by: massCougarxr7 on August 02, 2009, 10:28:31 PM
just an idea.... i think itd be interesting.... smokey tho
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: DVP on September 24, 2009, 11:11:58 PM
Post by: DVP on September 24, 2009, 11:11:58 PM
Quote from: massCougarxr7;282164
Soo, i came up with this rediculious idea.....
id like to see someone put a turbo diesel in a fox....yes i know, custom fab work would be a must,,, im also assuming a custom oil pan, and possibly custom k-member....
Just a stock 7.3, chipped, exhaust,..... id bet itd be one fun ride!!!
:hick:
Time will tell....
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: Haystack on September 25, 2009, 02:51:20 AM
Post by: Haystack on September 25, 2009, 02:51:20 AM
I think it would be way cool. I have a friend with a 6.0 and that thing moves. With a chip, intake, and exhaust, he's looking at mid to high 13's. His 0-60 is under 7 seconds in 4 wheel drive. That thing weighs over 6,000 lbs. Imagine what that would do in a fox? I'm not saying it would be easy, or cheap, but it would be fun to pull a boat the size of a house.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: Greg Price on September 25, 2009, 03:12:57 AM
Post by: Greg Price on September 25, 2009, 03:12:57 AM
How about this.http://www.isuzuengines.com/products/product_I.asp?series_id=3&model_id=7
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: Beau on September 25, 2009, 05:49:36 AM
Post by: Beau on September 25, 2009, 05:49:36 AM
Quote from: Haystack;292545
With a chip, intake, and exhaust, he's looking at mid to high 13's. His 0-60 is under 7 seconds in 4 wheel drive. That thing weighs over 6,000 lbs.
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Imagine what that would do in a fox?
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I'm not saying it would be easy, or cheap, but it would be fun to pull a boat the size of a house.
Trust me, I pulled an empty home-made car trailer (made from a mobile home frame) with my 1/2 ton Ford truck...even with working trailer brakes...I reallllly had to antite my stops.
Dumb? Yeah, it was, but it was a have-to thing...thank whatever deity you believe in that I didn't have to make a sudden stop :bowdown:
Anyway, not busting anyone's chops over this...a hot-rodded-diesel powered Tbird would make me all hot and bothered just as well, but as for towing with it...nahhh, lol
Y'all see that green '70 Chevelle in Hot Rod a few months back? I think it had a worked over Duramax in it...
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/chevy/0906dp_1970_chevy_chevelle/index.html
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Post by: DVP on September 25, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
Post by: DVP on September 25, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
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Not a goded thing but burn the back tires...unless you had some serious meat under the rear, and the suspension to harness it.
You have to do it all if your going to do it. Straight lines are fun but they only last a few seconds. I want something I can drive and still hold a corner.
Inspiration is Gregs car. good power with all the comforts. Ill be a lot heavier and demand cornering ability. A lot of work is going into suspension, strengthening the chassis so I dont twist it to hell, and making it feel like an everyday car at cruising speeds.
As of now I plan on going PowerStroke for the Ford factor, but cummins might find its way under the hood.
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Post by: Sick88Tbird on September 25, 2009, 05:00:07 PM
Post by: Sick88Tbird on September 25, 2009, 05:00:07 PM
A 5.9 cummins probably isn't going to work so well...4BT cummins FTW!
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: shame302 on September 26, 2009, 02:01:04 AM
Post by: shame302 on September 26, 2009, 02:01:04 AM
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Straight lines are fun but they only last a few seconds. I want something I can drive and still hold a corner.
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[As of now I plan on going PowerStroke for the Ford factor, but cummins might find its way under the hood./QUOTE]
Not if you want it to handle at all. Gregs car is sweet but its still a dag car. It may handle decent for the street but im willing to bet its no corner carver.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: Greg Price on September 26, 2009, 03:26:31 AM
Post by: Greg Price on September 26, 2009, 03:26:31 AM
Also I saw that Isuzu deisel swap in a 95 Grand cherokee in British Columbia many years ago. The owner claimed he was getting like 45-50 MPG highway. He also said the swap was horribly expensive . new engine and extra's was $7000+ to do himselfback then.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: ProTouring442 on September 26, 2009, 06:15:46 AM
Post by: ProTouring442 on September 26, 2009, 06:15:46 AM
I just got back from a trip to France and was amazed to find that nearly every car there was diesel. The Citroen C5 Wagon we rented was diesel as well, and you really wouldn't know it. Very smooth and quiet, only making real "diesel" noises when you first started cold.
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: DVP on September 27, 2009, 03:00:48 PM
Post by: DVP on September 27, 2009, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: shame302;292658
Better be thinking about something lighter/other than a "D" then.Quote[As of now I plan on going PowerStroke for the Ford factor, but cummins might find its way under the hood./QUOTE]
Not if you want it to handle at all. Gregs car is sweet but its still a dag car. It may handle decent for the street but im willing to bet its no corner carver.
Im not talking about autoX or anything. Just something I can throw around a corner at a decent speed and not feel like its going to skip off the road.
This is true. I was more talking about the fact he retained all the comfort items.
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: Greg Price on October 10, 2009, 04:17:40 AM
Post by: Greg Price on October 10, 2009, 04:17:40 AM
somthing cool i found .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9--ISeNexM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_kjaxIDzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9--ISeNexM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_kjaxIDzc
Title: Dumb swap idea..
Post by: jncocowboyx on October 10, 2009, 12:41:16 PM
Post by: jncocowboyx on October 10, 2009, 12:41:16 PM
that's badazz!