Hey, where is Jcassity's EVTM?! All my brakelights decided to go out and it isnt the fuse. Grrrrr
Don't know, seems to have gone away.
If the high mounted center brake light does not work, it pretty much narrows it down to the brake switch.
Does the brake pedal turn off the cruise?
The cruise isn't hooked up. I'm not sure i have a spare swicth either.
It's more likely the wire between the brake light switch and turn signal switch. They tend to get brittle and break off right at the brake light switch connector.
As for the EVTM thread, for some reason jcassity decided to remove it, among other useful threads he had here (the DIY thread, for example)
well . that was useful too. Guess I need to fess up some cash and buy one.
ive been working on a redo so to speak on the evtm. long story but I kinda had to make it not appear here for the past few weeks. Ill post it back up soon , the sticky is gone so ill just make a new thread.
the diy,,
well it kinda sucked the way it was laid out. Hard to follow and hard to find information was some of the feedback. Ive got that in face lift mode as well. working out of town a lot and time will be the only limitation on it. the sticky is gone on that one also so ill just start a new thread.
sorry bout the evtm, but keep in mind,, the wording i used was sort of a message in a bottle for that no one outside of this forum would understand when visited. I thought everyone knew to just search jcassity at photobucket. its still there guys,, gezz.
i did a search but man, sometimes the search thing is garbage.
Besides how dare you make me go out and look for a simple broken wire that took 2 minutes to fix before work this mornning!;)
i dont know what you talking about, the wiring diagrams have always been hosted outside of this forum.
photobucket
I did the search, but it says i need a password...
I did it to and got into it. It's some teenage girls account
the pw is the same as the login, (if your bored) LOL
well now Dr D,, thats pretty darn neat.
the diy thread is gone and the evtm sticky is to, I wish one of the mods would have pm'd me to let me know this was going to happen. I didnt even know the sticky was gone until the other day when I went to look for it to extract another bit of info for the diy link i was working on out of town. I put kinko's to work on doing a scan while I was on a site survey just so I could get better quality scans done quicker. Sometimes you just gotta pay someone to do stuff when you dont have the time.
you never know when 's gonna get locked or deleted around here anymore.
By the same token, you could have PM'd one of the mods to let them know what you were doing. The information in those threads disappeared with no explanation save a cryptic "moved to a public domain" message. No "Be back soon", not even a hint of that public domain, just a bunch of deleted information. A thread with no information is no longer stickyworthy. There was nothing in those threads except people asking what happened to the info. Since there was no info and no explanation the threads were deleted. I salvaged the only usable part of the DIY link (Haystack's P/N explanation) and started a new thread with that info. I then deleted the DIY thread. The EVTM thread had no use whatsoever anymore, nothing was salvageable in it, so it got 86'd too. The 3G alt thread would have been nuked as well, except it still had useful information in it that others had posted.
In other words, Scott, YOU deleted the threads. YOU removed the information that was the spirit of the threads. Since you left no reason for doing so the admins/mods had to come to our own conclusion (the term "panties in a bunch" came up, based on this and your deleting your own sig and avatar info). I just cleaned up after you, so please don't go trying to make it look like you're being picked on. And speaking of being picked on, Scott, no, you're not being picked on. You've had several threads locked or deleted because you've started several political threads. You're not the only one this has happened to. Carpimp just had several threads/posts deleted for the same reason.
And as for never knowing when a thread is going to be deleted or locked, your first indication should be when you remove all the info from the thread yourself. For a refresher on the rest of the reasons, click here (http://"http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=2"). And if you're looking for a reason why political topics are taboo you only need look in a mirror. The hard feelings and resentment they bring with them are just not healthy. Not for the board, and not for the board member(s) that end up with hurt feelings.
For the love of Christ, Scott, get over it. Nobody is against you. You're not being picked on. You've always been an upstanding member of this board, and having a few political threads deleted does not chance that. If this board brings you so much pain the only thing I can suggest, for the sake of your mental health, is to stay away from it for a while. This is not a threat, nobody is going to ban you. It is merely a suggestion for your own sake.
, I didnt mean to start a holy war. Just looking for some info....no biggie....really.
a few weeks ago i took a call from a member with a couple other people in the background,,speaker phone.
converstations about this and that with teh woe's of a car with no start ect. one guy in the group was pretty familiar with my whining about locked threads ,,sort of sarcastic but in good fun. He then pushed the specific thread about someone in the evtm link questioning if its legal or not, then went on to mention how its not right ect. I explained that I had modified each page per an email I got from ford a few years ago (posted it on the old board) and that its not a problem.
Further pushing the topic of the evtm, he basically said i should be careful and that quote/unquote, - you never really know "who might rat this out".
around the same time, i was bitching again about a thread getting locked and such (probably the same week) , and I began to question what this guy might be up to. I went out on the thread and basically indicated it was "thread moved to public link".
I figured everyone knew its still resided where resides even now. Several pm's i have gotten have not had any trouble finding it.
to be honest, I didnt figure many people looked that diy link. I put all the info on my work laptop and combined the 3g (final as-built) drawing that you tuned up and the diy link info and the evtm into one bucket of info. The diy link is proving to be most difficult to purdy up due to time.
With all this pointing going on to the evtm, I figured it was good timing to just redo a few things like i kept saying was going to get to.
I could have gave one of the mods heads up, but i did not by choice. Its basically the same situation I was in when I asked you guys why i didnt get heads up on a locked thread and was told "we dont have to give anyone heads up". yeah, petty but it is what it is.
the panty comments could have stayed internal to the mods, but a little public humiliation goes a long way now doesnt it. was worth it?
Ive had no trouble with anyone thats ever called me to get past a car problem or buying stuff. Ill let those interations with board members here speak for itself. Still , like i have told people in PM, and finally here in public, the reasons were based on the fly and at the time I was in a rush just to reduce my profile to a bare bones look with no personal info ect. I wasnt really sure what was going to happen next and didnt want the trouble coming here hunting me down. He (they) have my phone number , and thats hopefully all it will come down to.
The new info can be put up in a little while just like ive pm'd people. the wiring diagrams never went anywere,, booksix just found them per his pm today.
I have learned that you dont win when you argue with a mod. So , that being said, last word goes to whomever and that will be that.
thanks.
Ok, I am confused..... you say you had permission from Ford to post this stuff, then you remove it because someone else threatens to call Ford and report what you already claim to have permission to post?
Either you have permission to post it, or you do not.... if you do, then no issues, no need to remove them...if you don't, then you shouldn't have said you did to begin with.
As for the Mods and Admin alerting you to editing or deleting threads... they don't let anyone know when they are going to do that. It's a given that if you break the board rules, they'll remove the offending post...it's the same on any board I've ever been a member of, not just this one.
As for you not alerting them, I doubt that's the issue...I believe the issue is that you have been saying that your threads have been deleted, while it was you who did so, and you are indicating to the other members that it was the mods or admin that did it....not you yourself.
I don't feel you are being totally honest here with the members of this board...I feel you are trying to deceive them with some of your posts.... I hope you get your life straightened out soon because you were a valuable member here with your knowledge.
It's time to come clean and be honest with the board.... either you have permission from Ford to post what you did...or you do not.
You have removed many of the posts you have claimed were removed from mods and Admin...
It seems to me you are looking for sympathy from other board members and have a "they are picking on me" mentality. This isn't the place for it.... you've been trying to ruin this board with your attitude lately, and trying to cause a separation between the members here. It's not right and it's not fair to the other members.
I think what he is saying is that he felt he was playing by the rules set by Ford upon contacting them (changing the pages, etc...). But when someone threatened to report it he felt safer taking it down that risking it. Especially when "permission" from one person at Ford could be meaningless to the next person at Ford. Long story short, it may not have been as cut and dry as having or not having permission...... ?
I remember alot of talk on the old board about posting the EVMT. Alot of people said it was illegal, and because of this, very little if any of it was ever posted on the old board. Scott is a good guy, I have talked to him once or twice on yahoo messenger, and alot on the old board. He is generally trying to help people. I just don't want this to get blown up to the point that it did with bird351. Were all friends here. If you have a problem with the mods, I personally would post up something in the site suggestions. I have never had a problem with the rules, and I don't think I have ever had a thread or post deleted by them.
But at the same time, if it is an issue, I think the whole board should have a say in it. I also would like to see what the mods say in this situation. They have made this board to help us, and because they like these cars. Everything they do is to try to make it better as whole for everyone. I think the political parts do ruin boards. I also think overall the mods do alot to make it run smoothly. As long as nobody start pointing fingers and everyone is working twoards the same overall goal, I see no reason why this couldn't remain civil.
The only issue is the fact that someone got upset because their thread got shut down because it was against the rules. Threads get locked/moved/whatever else all the time.
Why post to begin with then? FWIW no one here has ever posted pages from the EVTM in a manner to gain profit and no one here has ever wrongfully claimed that the EVTM was their brainchild so I don't really see what the issue is. For more info on that see here:
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#permission
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
As far as this supposed "mystery person" ---Sure would be nice to hear their side of the story seeing as he at the very least knows the person who called Scott and could possibly be a member himself -- if the story has validity, that is.....
I know someone DID post this question on this site to Scott:
Scott's reply was as follows:
From the context in the thread from which that quote was taken; it is safe to say the last sentence was in jest and nothing more.
And finally:
Considering that the account is set to private, it would be quite difficult....
According to the guys over on the Antique Radio Board, any posting of a copyrighted work without permission is illegal, period... This means a written statement from the owner of the copyright...
We often supply one another with radio schematics and technical manuals, so have to be careful of when they were produced, cause some are still copyrighted(anything from '64 on, in our case, apparently they were negligent in renewing the earlier copyrights, so those have lapsed into public domain)... We can't get that approval, as the company that produced them is still in business to sell...
I am working hard to get the better copies up to photo bucket. The "replicas" are still there.
I wanted to condense things to one post / one thread anyway but find the whole threads are gone. Im not a mod so i cant kill whole threads.
like i said, i can start a new thread so it points outside of here because i dont want to bring trouble to this sites owner.
I only stanched this stuff out about 3 or 4 weeks ago. I think by next weekend it will be back up. I am still struggling with how to deal with the "txt" part of the diy link.
I finally understand what the problem is with people ,,, and my saying to just search. The means in which the search must be done has to be in this format. username_bucket
sorry everyone:bowdown:
I just figured everyone knew that already, im not as puter literate as most of you.
just confirmed with booksix and a couple others.
so like i said, its still there.
tom
I was on nostalgia air today and thougt about what you mentioned above.
Its nice to finally get around to things ,,,but yes there has been a long history of preparations to make the EVTM available. It was was questioned even if i had contacted ford or not. Im not briniging the member into this who jerked my chain. Its not worth it. WHat is worth it is for people to have a little patience and please just chill. I can post up the old stuff just as easy but hey, why not purdy it up. I ran into issues with hyperlinks night before last and had to learn what one was and even if i wanted one. I was trying to allow your mouse to hover over a key word that poped up a pic of the object being discussed and am having trouble. I dont have any help.
so ,, there you have it people ,, yes I did call ford. Yes i am really good about getting phone numbers, and yes, there were many options and things discussed. just like there was a member who jerked me on having this stuff up. Seems to be a passer by cause the name hasnt signed on for ,, oh,, a little while.
various emails from my archive.
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Jim
By the way,,, i was only able to provide you pics of the manual in .jpg form.
scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Kuntz, James (J.)
To: revisedelf@brier.net
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: EVTM manual for the 1987 merc Cougar and Thunderbird
Hi James:
My name is Jim Kuntz and I handle the licensing of Ford technical information. In order to assist you I need some additional information.
Does this manual, FPS-12116-87, contain information on all Ford passenger cars of just Thunderbird and Cougar?
Please send a PDF file of the front and back covers and the inside facing page.
The full name and business address of the potential licensee
The name, phone number and Fax number of the contact person
The e-mail address of the contact person
Is this the potential licensee an individual or corporation and state of incorporation if applicable
The planed wholesale/ retail price of the product.
The estimated annual sales volume by year for the first five years.
Product definition: Need a short concise description of the product as it would appear in the contract. (Is it the whole publication or excerpts. Format, etc.)
Regards,
Jim Kuntz
The Beanstalk Group
19540 Allen Rd.
Melvindale, MI 48122
Ph: 313.248.5736
Fax: 313.248.6359
-----Original Message-----
From: James cassity [mailto:revisedelf@brier.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:35 AM
To: Nens, John (J.J.)
Subject: EVTM manual for the 1987 merc Cougar and Thunderbird
Greetings
I was directed to contact you by this means via your 1 800 392 3673 CSR line. I am writing to obtain permission to circulate copies of the following manual in electronic form and to be posted on our web site to be used as a resource to help others troubleshoot.
Manual name and number:
1987 T-BIRD/COUGAR Electrical & Vacuum Trouble-Shooting Manual
FPS-12116-87
LITHO IN U.S.A.
Aug 1986
I and several thousand others are very passionate about these cars that range within the years 1983-1988 and have a need to share our manual information with others who own these fox body cars. Many owners of the mid 80's cougar and tbird have not been lucky enough to have the factory OEM shop manuals for troubleshooting reasons. Having said this, I would like to become aware of the process and move forward on permission to share this information on a car that we all feel is worth saving.
I can be contacted at 304 772 4082.
There is no intent on circulating this manual for monetary gain or other dishonest reasons. Our only promise to our members it to share everything we know about these fine cars from its history to general and detailed maintenance.
It is my intention to obtain permission from FORD if possible to scan this entire manual and make available on a public forum web site called http://www.coolcats.net . Within this link there is a ton of research and information on these cars as well as a link to http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com that represents the technical side of the house. I would rather not proceed with permission from HELM because HELM did not produce this manual. I would feel more comfortable with the permission from FORD directly if it is possible that i be granted such permission.
Thank you very much for taking the time to work with me on a topic that I feel is important enough to proceed in the proper manner for the sake of a breed of car that stands out in your fine history of automobile design and quality.
James Scott Cassity
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----- Original Message -----
From: James cassity
To: member
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: EVTM Manual
Hello
Just got done with the scan. here are a couple of files to see what kind of quality you will deal with. Im pretty happy with the way they came out but well wait to see your end,, later on we hope.
scott
----- Original Message -----
From: member
To: revisedelf@brier.net
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: EVTM Manual
Hi Jim,
Thanks for doing this. Please send the CD over my way. Don't fret about
how you save it too much...I'm a graphics professional and do this every
single day of my life. :) A JPG of good quality will be just fine. If you
can tweak the scanner to go to roughly 200dpi that's excellent. Otherwise
your standard 150dpi will still be fine.
insert private address here
Thanks for doing this man...it's going to save a lot of people some hassle.
-member name
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----- Original Message -----
From: James cassity
To: Kuntz, James (J.)
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: EVTM manual for the 1987 merc Cougar and Thunderbird
Hello Jim
"Does this manual, FPS-12116-87, contain information on all Ford passenger cars of just Thunderbird and Cougar? "
This manual is specific to the Ford Thunderbird and Mercury Cougar only.
Please see attached for the front,rear and front facing page for info as you requested.
"The full name and business address of the potential licensee
The name, phone number and Fax number of the contact person
The e-mail address of the contact person" \
This manual and contents are needed in electronic form to post on a free website i mentioned.
You may contact myself at 304 772 4082 or at email -- revisedelf@brier.net
My address is:
James Cassity
HC83 Box 70a
Gap Mills Wv 24941
There would be no profit made by anyone from this transaction, just to make information available about the chassis wiring and troubleshooting of these cars. The Whole manual would need to be placed on a central server for each member to review in time of need.
Thank you for contacting me and i hope to get permission to share this easy to follow manual with my fellow members. The information will be posted
here
http://www.coolcats.net
and here
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com
Again,, i hope i can be able to do this so that our cars are repaired with top knotch reference manuals.
Ill mention this again, there is no intent or plans past present or furture to make sales or profit from placing this manual on a public forum. Our website is a free resource for all fox body owners and all the information contained within is from the hard work of many people who car a lot about these cars.
Are the odds of getting permission looking ok?
James Scott Cassity
304 772 4082
----- Original Message -----
From: Kuntz, James (J.)
To: revisedelf@brier.net
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: EVTM manual for the 1987 merc Cougar and Thunderbird
Hi James:
My name is Jim Kuntz and I handle the licensing of Ford technical information. In order to assist you I need some additional information.
Does this manual, FPS-12116-87, contain information on all Ford passenger cars of just Thunderbird and Cougar?
Please send a PDF file of the front and back covers and the inside facing page.
The full name and business address of the potential licensee
The name, phone number and Fax number of the contact person
The e-mail address of the contact person
Is this the potential licensee an individual or corporation and state of incorporation if applicable
The planed wholesale/ retail price of the product.
The estimated annual sales volume by year for the first five years.
Product definition: Need a short concise description of the product as it would appear in the contract. (Is it the whole publication or excerpts. Format, etc.)
Regards,
Jim Kuntz
The Beanstalk Group
19540 Allen Rd.
Melvindale, MI 48122
Ph: 313.248.5736
Fax: 313.248.6359
-----Original Message-----
From: James cassity [mailto:revisedelf@brier.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:35 AM
To: Nens, John (J.J.)
Subject: EVTM manual for the 1987 merc Cougar and Thunderbird
Greetings
I was directed to contact you by this means via your 1 800 392 3673 CSR line. I am writing to obtain permission to circulate copies of the following manual in electronic form and to be posted on our web site to be used as a resource to help others troubleshoot.
Manual name and number:
1987 T-BIRD/COUGAR Electrical & Vacuum Trouble-Shooting Manual
FPS-12116-87
LITHO IN U.S.A.
Aug 1986
I and several thousand others are very passionate about these cars that range within the years 1983-1988 and have a need to share our manual information with others who own these fox body cars. Many owners of the mid 80's cougar and tbird have not been lucky enough to have the factory OEM shop manuals for troubleshooting reasons. Having said this, I would like to become aware of the process and move forward on permission to share this information on a car that we all feel is worth saving.
I can be contacted at 304 772 4082.
There is no intent on circulating this manual for monetary gain or other dishonest reasons. Our only promise to our members it to share everything we know about these fine cars from its history to general and detailed maintenance.
It is my intention to obtain permission from FORD if possible to scan this entire manual and make available on a public forum web site called http://www.coolcats.net . Within this link there is a ton of research and information on these cars as well as a link to http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com that represents the technical side of the house. I would rather not proceed with permission from HELM because HELM did not produce this manual. I would feel more comfortable with the permission from FORD directly if it is possible that i be granted such permission.
Thank you very much for taking the time to work with me on a topic that I feel is important enough to proceed in the proper manner for the sake of a breed of car that stands out in your fine history of automobile design and quality.
James Scott Cassity
***************************************************
----- Original Message -----
From: James cassity
To: member
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:51 PM
Subject: Fw: evtm
What to do?
Its my impression from this individual that if there were no ford logos and such connected to the drawings, that it would be difficult to connect these drawings to the 87evtm other than the fact that they match up perfectly, that being said still does not bear the burden of proof that they were a direct copy as he mentioned. In not so many words it was implied that could be an alternative workaround. He visited our site prior to his call to me as well as during the call. He was very impressed with its content and expressed his regret in a meaningful manner. Im curious of what could be tolerated here now that he has indicated that others are doing this as well and getting away with it. His words were constructed carefully as to not imply anything other than here is the process and here is how to go about getting done what you need. However, what we need is not offered because no one will ever make OEM manuals available on the internet for free, only in CD or Paper will be approved. Prior to getting permission to reproduce these manuals, you have to be bonded and licensed for about 1million or so dollars(typical general contractor agreement type insurance for liablity).
----- Original Message -----
From: James cassity
To: member
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:38 PM
Subject: evtmq
It was shot down. see topic update. We are allow to produce our own wiring diagrams without getting into trouble and post those.
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----- Original Message -----
From: James cassity
To: member
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: evtm again
yes,, those are the words from Jim,, if the drawings are interperted into something in a form other than a direct copy type face ect,, then we're free. Its gotta be a clean cut though man., no mistakes especially when hes been peeking in on us today. I invited him to the site to provide some insight to the substance of what you have put together. I now regret that.
I cant wait till you get the cd
scott
----- Original Message -----
From: member
To: James cassity
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: evtm again
> member
> Just hatched an idea. In all the world of pc stuff that you deal with, is
> it possible to do the following?
>
> copy and paste each drawing into another program
> edit the schematics to be black and white only
> maybe each wire / component would be solid in color thus changing things
> just enough to prove its not replicated exactly
> leave out all text and pager headers and create our own.
>
> sounds like a lot of work to take the risk
>
> scott
----- Original Message -----
From: member
To: James cassity
Subject: Re: evtm again
I had ideas along the lines of this. "Artistic interpretation", we'll call
it. ;)
It's very possible to repurpose the scans into something else. I was
thinking maybe changing the font used as well...that could be a pain in
the ass, but it's possible. Let me mess around with it for a little bit
and we'll see if we can come up with a solution.
So assuming we do this and it's good, can we then distribute it on CD?
-member
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and in all honesty people, over 2 years ago i ran an evtm loto giving away free cd's of the wiring diagrams , no charge. how shameful and bad can you get.
just do a search here for "evtm loto"
here are the winners who have EVTM's. some of which may have chimed in on this thread.
evtm loto winners
-do not deliver nirvana god
Heh, I'll allow someone else to have it. I don't exactly have a need for it! Prolly shouldn't have answered
-ifixyawata
-sick88tbird
-88sportcoupe
-Cougar8775
-ZondaC12
-stuntmannick
-quietleaf
-sduneman
-sleeper t-bird 87
-daboss 351
-5.0willgo
-aerobird motorsports
-ispd
-Bill Bennett
-88cat
-tbirdera
-turbocoupe5.0
-soft touch
warbird9
cougarse
-V8Demon
-84fila
-gumby
mailed to someoneelse for him as a gift to a friend.
-amooset
--booksix
So what does your previous post have to do with you deciding to pull ALL of the info out of a thread -- to include other non EVTM stuff --- LOTS OF IT --- and then claiming you'll put it back. You pulled down TONS of info that was 100% public domain that wasn't even attached to the EVTM...
Interesting how no one has touched this thread in a month and then YOU bring it back telling everyone else to be patient. Seeing as how it wans't at the top of the forum list I would say that most people ARE being patient....
Hold a grudge much? What was the purpose of leaving THAT in there?
No,, you are taking it wrong again,, you are not understanding what that means. Its no grudge,, those are his words, not mine. it was just a note to myself to remind me that i didnt (at that time) owe a cd.
why would you assume things like that of me?
here is the ilnk,, gotta prove everything lately. Seeing a trend? peoiple jump to conlusions and start wars over nothing.
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=14252&highlight=evtm+loto&page=2
I was bothered by something unrelated and thought it would be nice to back up what i said earlier with proof here bout the ford contact and such.
I was working on the problem im having with the diy info last night and needed some info in here (or thougth it was). I was including an idea you had a while ago giving credit where credit is due.
Fair enough. My apologies on that.
Guess that makes you the pot & me the kettle?
FWIW -- who did you have to prove the fact that you had permission to? That one person who made a passing statement who hasn't logged on in quite some time?
BTW -- I know you won't name that person, but one can surmise he was perhaps a regular poster at one point and no longer is. I may be wrong about that, but I doubt it.
No one else questioned that as far as I can remember. I STILL do not understand the reason for pulling the other info. That could have waited until you had the update complete. I know one of your reasons was that people said it was hard to find thing in it. A simple tutorial on how to use CTRL + F is what may be needed for those who stated that.
I like how wiki allows key words to have an image pop up when you hover. THats what im lookng for.
That might be a plugin or script that would have to be installed at forum level...