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Title: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 31, 2005, 08:10:45 PM
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my T-Bird, but I get very frustrated at Ford's "If it's older than 10 years we won't support it" attitude. It seem like every little thing that breaks on my Goded car has been discontinued. Power door lock motors. Horn ring. Fuel gauge sender. Window motor. And although I have not had the following problems on my car I know others who have: Weather stripping. Rocker and quarter panels. Miscellaneous switchgear. 87-88 Cougar headlights. And because these cars are relatively obscure (especially 87-88 models because of their two-year-only run) the aftermarket does not seem to have stepped up. We have been completely abandoned by not only the aftermarket, but by the builder of these cars, FoMoCo. Some people chastise others who junk these cars, but the simple fact is that if nobody junked them none of us would be able to drive them, because more often than not, used replacement parts is our only choice. And these parts are only going to become more rare as these cars fall further into obscurity.
 
Just imagine the shiznit we'd be in if our cars dodn't share many Mustang components. No more ball joints, brake rotors or pads, tie rod ends, steering racks, engine parts, etc. We'd be screwed.
 
Compare Ford's attitude to GM's. Partially because so many GM's share parts, and partially because GM actually gives a , you can buy new replacement parts for virtually any GM vehicle. Need an instrument cluster for that '89 Olds Trofeo? No problem. '83 Monte Carlo need a control arm? Here you go. GM actually has a corporate "GM Restoration Parts" program. I'm sure Ford does too, as long as you own a Mustang, but nowhere near the scale of GM. They own AC Delco, a HUGE aftermarket division (which, ironically, is also the only source for many T-Bird/Cougar small parts). GM works with aftermarket suppliers so people with, say, an '81 Z/28 can buy a brand new quarter panel. Heck, if you call any GM dealer with the VIN of your car, regardless of age, they can tell you whether there are any open recalls. Ford, on the other hand, completely disowns all of its children once they hit 10 years old (and I bet it'd be younger than that if they could get away with it). Last year when the ignition switch burned up in my '88 I called Ford about the recall. They couldn't answer whether it had been completed or not. This was Corporate Ford, BTW, not just a dealer. I ended up buying a switch and putting it in myself (even though after examining the old switch and seeing the old "E-something" part number i know the recall had never been done). I find it rather interesting that a company that is so into "retro" doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about its heritage. You're expected to throw your old Ford away and buy a new one.
 
I know this seems a bit harsh, but after my fuel sender fiasco today I'm really starting to see how much of a pain in the ass it can be to keep these cars on the road.
 
Take care of your cars, folks. As time goes by it'll be harder and harder to fix 'em when they break...
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: dominator on March 31, 2005, 08:38:19 PM
I have an extra fuel sender,bought a ford one about 4 years ago and found out it was just a broken float.
But being that your having such trouble finding one i think i'll hold onto it.
True though,from working at a ford dealer i know that ford actually has a 7 year parts policy,once a vehicle style has been out of production for  that long the parts are no longer produced and once all of the warehouse stock is sold your SOL!
So the 88 would have had until 95 for a production run of parts and then that would have been it.
Really sucks but that's the price of owning a ford,just think about how hard it is to find certain parts for my 30yr old 75 cougar.
Example,my column shift collar broke and i went to ford to try and find one,NOT.
Then went to a classic ford parts place here in the gta and was told even though early 80s trucks used the same collars that it would be hard to come by,finally after seaching for a month the guy gave me a website called:
(http://www.partsvoice.com  great site) and said to search the part# he gave me.
Well after months of searching i finally found a dealer in the us that had an NOS one in stock at the cost of 75us dollars plus shipping,well i figured anything to fix my baby and bought one of the last one's in existance.
Moral is the older your ford gets the worse luck you'll have in getting thoses hard to find parts.
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: Ifixyawata on March 31, 2005, 09:42:00 PM
This brings up an interesting question.  I mentioned in Shawns thread about how my tank fell off my car.  In searching for parts (all aftermarket and custom-ordered) I found a kit that supposedly contains the fuel pump, hanger, strainer and the sending unit.  In '84 the sending unit and the fuel pump resided on the same hanger.  I'm wondering if this kit actually comes with all these parts.  Anyone have experience in buying the "kit"?  If it doesn't have the fuel level sender, so be it, I need a car to drive, and I know how to use the trip odometer.  I just find it funny that you'd be able to get a level sender for an '84 car and not for an '87.
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 31, 2005, 10:36:09 PM
I know you can buy a "hanger ass'y" for the '88 that includes a new fuel pump, so the kit for your '84 likely includes pump and sender. I only bought the "hanger" for my car, and then swapped my pump over.

If the new one doesn't include the sender you can re-use your old one (if it still functions, I didn't read your post in Shawn's thread yet). It just clips to the bracket.
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: tbirdscott on March 31, 2005, 10:41:11 PM
Try finding parts for a 1959 EnFord Zephyr! The last company making oil filters for them stopped 6 years ago and its taken me 5 months to find a guy restoring one that /might/ sell me ONE filter for about $20 plus shipping..... The only thing left to do is collect all the cars you can and stockpile then in your back yard! then you should be okay for a couple years.
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: shame302 on March 31, 2005, 10:42:19 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my T-Bird, but I get very frustrated at Ford's "If it's older than 10 years we won't support it" attitude. It seem like every little thing that breaks on my Goded car has been discontinued. Power door lock motors. Horn ring. Fuel gauge sender. Window motor. And although I have not had the following problems on my car I know others who have: Weather stripping. Rocker and quarter panels. Miscellaneous switchgear. 87-88 Cougar headlights. And because these cars are relatively obscure (especially 87-88 models because of their two-year-only run) the aftermarket does not seem to have stepped up. We have been completely abandoned by not only the aftermarket, but by the builder of these cars, FoMoCo. Some people chastise others who junk these cars, but the simple fact is that if nobody junked them none of us would be able to drive them, because more often than not, used replacement parts is our only choice. And these parts are only going to become more rare as these cars fall further into obscurity.

Just imagine the shiznit we'd be in if our cars dodn't share many Mustang components. No more ball joints, brake rotors or pads, tie rod ends, steering racks, engine parts, etc. We'd be screwed.

Compare Ford's attitude to GM's. Partially because so many GM's share parts, and partially because GM actually gives a , you can buy new replacement parts for virtually any GM vehicle. Need an instrument cluster for that '89 Olds Trofeo? No problem. '83 Monte Carlo need a control arm? Here you go. GM actually has a corporate "GM Restoration Parts" program. I'm sure Ford does too, as long as you own a Mustang, but nowhere near the scale of GM. They own AC Delco, a HUGE aftermarket division (which, ironically, is also the only source for many T-Bird/Cougar small parts). GM works with aftermarket suppliers so people with, say, an '81 Z/28 can buy a brand new quarter panel. Heck, if you call any GM dealer with the VIN of your car, regardless of age, they can tell you whether there are any open recalls. Ford, on the other hand, completely disowns all of its children once they hit 10 years old (and I bet it'd be younger than that if they could get away with it). Last year when the ignition switch burned up in my '88 I called Ford about the recall. They couldn't answer whether it had been completed or not. This was Corporate Ford, BTW, not just a dealer. I ended up buying a switch and putting it in myself (even though after examining the old switch and seeing the old "E-something" part number i know the recall had never been done). I find it rather interesting that a company that is so into "retro" doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about its heritage. You're expected to throw your old Ford away and buy a new one.

I know this seems a bit harsh, but after my fuel sender fiasco today I'm really starting to see how much of a pain in the ass it can be to keep these cars on the road.

Take care of your cars, folks. As time goes by it'll be harder and harder to fix 'em when they break...


True dat yo'
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: Ifixyawata on March 31, 2005, 11:46:58 PM
Nah.  The steel tubes that mate with the plastic lines were so rusted that they both snapped on mine.
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: Ether947 on April 01, 2005, 01:13:13 AM
What really sucks is that the aftermarket pretty much gave up on the Fox TBird suspension? Had i known it was going to happen i would have bought the last Bilsteins and Eibach springs i saw several years ago. Stinks. Maybe somebody will pick up the slack...
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: Chris1987LX on April 02, 2005, 12:48:53 PM
Our only hope is to stumble across an old warehouse that may have some NOS parts, or that some Ford employee goes through a storage locker and finds Ebay-able parts.

My Father and I are restoring a 1977 Toyota Celica as well and we know first hand how hard it is to come buy parts. 

What's out there is all that there ever will be for our cars.  We just have to be vigilent and buy it all up so we can enjoy these cars for years to come.

Chris
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: EricCoolCats on April 02, 2005, 05:46:22 PM
That's funny....I just went to the All-Ford Swap Meet in Columbus, OH this afternoon and have never, ever, EVER seen so many NOS stock parts for our cars. Ever.

NOS 1987-88 TC intercooler - $275.00
NOS 1983-86 door molding - $40
NOS 1983-86 bumper chrome strip - $25
NOS 1983-84 Thunderbird grille - $100
NOS 1983-86 TC/XR7 bumper cover (yes, with the fog light cutouts) - $275

I also found, after a 5-year search, NOS chrome window trim for the convertible. I have never seen this stuff NOS. I'd have bought everything if I'd had more cash on hand.

It seems that some of the parts are out there. Trouble is, it seems like the only places you'll ever find them is either on eBay, or hunting around swap meets with a really sharp eye. I wish there were other alternatives.
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: Ifixyawata on April 02, 2005, 05:52:38 PM
Nevermind my comment about being able to find a sending unit for my car.  After 100 miles of driving, a junkyard and 5 parts stores I finally found one that'll have to wait until wendesday or so.

Eric, did you come across any 8.8" kits?
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: EricCoolCats on April 02, 2005, 05:55:36 PM
Nothing Bri....I'll have my mechanic pick up a kit for you. He'll get a good price regardless.
Title: Re: The joys owning an older, relatively obscure Ford (a rant)...
Post by: 4thqtr on April 03, 2005, 12:18:54 AM
Dammit. I'll have to make it out to next year's swap meet!!