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78" belt is what is needed to bypass the smog, air, emissions, exhaust, pollution, whatever you want to call it pump.
Kitz is dead on.
Have my O/R H on now. Capped off the head tube and H- pipe hole.
Now the pump is just running and making a lot of useless noise, well thats all it ever did, but now even worse.
I need actual PROVEN belt lengths. There are a lot of post on here but none with exact lengths on a stock pulley set up.
I am still running EVERYTHING stock, I need to bypass the smog pump now.
JCassity used a 77" I believe but also modded the tensionor. I would like to retain stock location on that if possible. Dont have the means to do too much at school.
I would like to just walk in and say I need XYZ. If not I will start the guessing game. I have an old belt I can cut up I guess.
Tie a rope around and measure, I think I used a 78" belt, don't hold that to me though. been a while and it's long gone.
You sir are dead on. It is a tight fit but I dont think I could have gone shorter or longer without making it tighter. Thanks
NO MORE WHINING!!!! Now I just need to rip off the pump. Its a littl cold out so that can wait.
As for the vac lines. How should I cap those?
Changing the title for easier search and info reference.
I believe there is only 1. stick a bolt in it.
I was just going to cap them off at the tree. There are 2 little ones, size of ball point pen ink cartridge.
Can I just cap off the hose going into the tree completely? I thought something else was on there. Ill have to look again.
I think your talking about about the egr solenoids. are they colored lines?
White, black. I know the one is white for sure. The black one I had to replace and just grabbed one off my parts car so Im not sure if that was the original color.
Going to run down and look at it now.
you dont have to remove the smog pump on the 5.0
even on the 3.8, you just remove the pully (3 bolts) and the plastic fan behind the pully(pops off). That leaves everything on as dead weight but inspection worthy for those states that require the units. Its an easy reverse conversion for inspection purposes.
I ran my belt like the top one
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn65/cougar86_89/beltroutingTech_50belts.jpg)
I know i dont need to take it off but there is no need for it to be there. extra weight and its ugly. One less thing in the way.
me to, top one.
For the 20th,,,,,,
I decided to leave it on after it occured to me that one day here soon, there probably will be very few examples of fords application on the smog system as everyone is tossing them. As i learn more and more about how car shows are graded , I have come to understand that the more factory stuff you have in place, the better the overall grade.
As for the white LS in my sig,
I have totally joined the crowed in tossing the 3.8. If i had the 88 3.8 then perhaps things would have been different and the 4.2 kit being internally balanced would have encouraged me to keep it nearly stock looking as well.
for those searching this thread someday in the future :)
With a 351w block, march underdrive pulleys, and the route on the bottom I used a 86" belt
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=GTR%2D4060860&N=700+0&autoview=sku
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn65/cougar86_89/beltroutingTech_50belts.jpg)
If I can get enough people to share what they used (belt size, pulley set up, accessories retained, and routing) list each with a visual ad for reference.
I think I used an 862k6. 86.2" long I used the smog delete belt routing with the purple belt in the above. It provided the best belt wrap on the most accessories.
Stock brackets? A/C? It seems to have a better wrap on the WP on the car vs the pic. I do agree that the lower one seems to have a better wrap. I needed the belt ASAP so first solution I hear I took. Now I can hear the leak at the header/Hpipe joint. Threads wore out so the bolt slipped out a little. Going to use a bolt and nut like I had to do on the other side of the same header.
If anyone knows of any other conformed set ups please post them.
SE I am going to be adding yours and Bobs now, and the list starts....
I just de-smogged mine a couple of days ago using the purple routing. I've heard about problems with the belt rubbing against itself with the green routing when the belt stretches and the tensioner pushes down further. I used an 87" belt so I guess the Mk has different pullies than the T-bird.
Or brackets even. I wondered about the stretching myself. It has about 3 inches though with my 78" I am going to manual steering in the near future anyways so I will need a new belt before it stretches that much.
and the solution was to modify the tensioner so the tensioner pully itself sits higher. It took nothing more than a grinder to remove about 1/4'' of aluminum in order to develope the "new" stop point.
I was just looking at a pic of my engine a few minutes ago...then this thread pops up again..
What I wanna know is....is there a way to remove both the smog pump AND the ac compressor, without having to use the eliminator kit?
I want my power steering..just not the other needless ola.
Ok since you are the perfect candidate to experiment with this I have an idea.
On Jcassity's thread he discussed placing the tensioner on the belt that leaves the WP to the ALT.
It is very tight as is but if you place the tensioner on that part of the belt and run it as the the green model with the 77" I used it might work. You will probably have to alter the stops.
I am going to draw this up real quick
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn65/cougar86_89/frontmotor.jpg)
It looks like there will be a problem with the belt clearing the top of the tensioner pulley, BUT the pulley in the pic is not fully extended. I am sure there will need to be some ginding like Jcassity did only on the lower stop. I think you *might* clear the WP with about 2 inches of clearance.
Also another option would be a smaller tensioner pulley.
FordTruckFreak, if you could please try this for me I would really appreciate it.
By using the Ford eliminator kit, no extra pulleys are added into the system. It makes for a nice clean look. It's the same basic parts used on Mustangs in '85 and '86 that came from the factory without A/C...
Ill have to keep an eye out for those in the yards. Save some of us some $$$ from buying the new one. They are only $35 from Summit though. And I bet lighter too.
I think he wanted to try and get around buying the bracket though. I thought they were more expensive than that.
I hope he gets a chance to try it though. Just for info purposes because everyone says it cant be done. I would still agree that it the kit wold be easier.
Also, depending on how far the tensioner pushes the belt down there might be some issues with wrap on the ALT.
The issue with using it on Catbirds is that you have to swap the power steering bracket for a fox Mustang specific one. THe eliminator will not work with ours...
Judging from that pic I would think it'll be pretty hard to route the belt in such a way that it passes on both sides of the tensioner while keeping proper tension...
That is a worry. I dont know if there are smaller pulleys that could be swapped on. That might help with clearance issues, which will also allow you to use a smaller belt and have a better wrap on the ALT and hopefully increase the tension on the pulleys.
I wish I had a motor to experiment with this stuff with.
FordTruckFreak, if you are willing to try this for me I will send you an extra tensioner to grind on and alter.
Good point, but that's a Stang 5.0 ;)
I think I'm just gonna get the eliminator kit, I'm trying to do this as painlessly as I can.
You guy's got me all confused!
Stock fox Cougar brackets and as you can see the a/c is in place. A/c works fine so no reason to remove it.
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/88%20XR7/00002.jpg)
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Should say what belt size you used, to help the others, nice pics .
351w
stock 5.0 brackets, march UD pulleys, stock alt pulley
86" belt
I missed that. thanks.
Bob, your wide body is lookin good!!. hope we can run to CJ together.
Viola! No AC!
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/Domeskull/Engine9-30-06.jpg)
:D
You Have no AC on your pic and that makes a world of difference. Get the idler up over the other side of the belt,after you modify the tensioner so it has more CCW motion and it might work.
In my diy link or here>http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=17236&page=2
you will see where i explained what i did. 77 works perfect. Your pic has the belt on the wrong side of the idler. I have my belt routed as per the green diagram.
What electric fan are you using?
Mark VIII fan mounted upside down. I hate it.
So it sucks? I was just wondering since from what I remember you have a similar engine set up to me. I guess I'll stick with my stock fan and 5.0 Mustang Police Interceptor fan clutch for now.
Looking at that other thread, in Inne's pic, his PS bracket is moved up, that's exactly what I want to do...but is his the stock Tbird bracket, or a Mustang?
It sucks alot of air alright. But no matter what, the fan wasn't designed to fit the radiator and no matter what I did it still looked bad.
What was wrong with it? I didnt think it looked too bad?
(http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18893&stc=1&d=1236825818)
Looking at the routings; I noticed something. You can run the smog pump & A/C delete (purple) with the same routing as the A/C in place with no smog pump (blue).
You'll need a bigger belt though....
*EDIT* 76 inches works.....You could most likely get a 75.5" to work as well, but a 75" aint gonna happen.....
It actually has less tension, but is within limits and the belt has much more clearance.
I did this today with a 1985 LTD 5.0 HO, ex-police car. I just purchased this car for $400 on a street near my house.
I found a local guy that was selling the AC delete pulley (stock AC no longer worked) and when I put this on the stock belt was a hair too long. I thought if I was to buy a new belt I might as well by-pass the smog pump as well. I ended up with a 850K6 (they did not have a 845) and it seems to work great with the purple route.
Thanks for the info guys this will make it a lot easier to change out the plugs and work on the engine.
Now I need to find a fan shroud.
TED
Hey now,, put up a couple pics without the air cleaner. Id like to see what the pn is on the injectors and also if you can tell us the color of them. I would be surprised if they were blue tops.
I used the above purple routing and used a Napa belt 6k860, which is a overall length of 86.4 inches. I tried a shorter 6k854, but it was too short. I had a little smaller alternator pulley and the 862 would have been too long. Just adding to the thread. All other pulleys were stock.
This is great, but has anyone done this on a 3.8? (1988 specific)? I figured out my belt length, put it on, and then i realized I was running my water pump backwards!!!!! So now, I cannot figure out how to run the belt without causing it to run the opposite direction, and have to take the belt back and put the pump back on unless somebody knows the solution. Please help!!!! I'll put up pics when i get home
I haven't, try measuring the way you need with a rope, It will get you close. Start a new thread for yours. If it's running backwards, you missed something,