Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: jcassity on March 09, 2009, 12:58:02 AM
you are actully presumed guilty first ,, and you have to show your not?
Isnt that against the constitution?
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: jangus on March 09, 2009, 01:27:59 AM
Quote from: jcassity;260233
you are actully presumed guilty first ,, and you have to show your not?
Isnt that against the constitution?
Correct, but look at the article a little closer. It clearly states "nonjudicial, administrative hearing", not a court of law. This is how the lowlifes :flip: manage to get around the system so many people have fought to defend. This is what it is coming down to. It's also nice that we can't trouble the police to do their jobs any longer, they now have to go and hire "for profit" companies to manage this program. Gee, I wonder who's benifiting from this? Sure as hell not the citizens of Ohio.:mad:
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: tc² on March 09, 2009, 02:10:03 AM
it.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: 86XR7project on March 09, 2009, 09:03:32 AM
Got read the article In the latest Car&Driver about the same problem in Arizona, they work the tickets around so they can get away with it and not have to deal with violating the constitution. Its completely ridiculous, states look at this because its EASY revenue, they think "Hey, it worked for Arizona why can't it work for me?"
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: DVP on March 09, 2009, 11:25:58 AM
There was talk of it here in MO too. Hope I see some decrease in crime, not a decrease in the police force. That would be a slap in everyones face if they cut officers.
I wonder if I can get my street patrolled again like they did when I was little. Guess the dead end was too much trouble. I requested it when they tried to steal my neighbors car and then tried to get in mine (assuming to do the same), but nothing. Last time I saw a cop at my end of the street was when my phone called 911 because the buttons didnt work right. Never used that one again.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on March 09, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
So.... if you aren't speeding (especially in construction zones), you don't have anything to worry about. It also clearly states where the money goes from the tickets.
It's funny how people whine about laws being enforced. Seems to me that the ones who complain the loudest are the ones who are usually breaking the laws and hoping to not get caught. This just ups your chances of getting caught, I think that's what people's real problem with it is.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: DVP on March 09, 2009, 12:26:59 PM
Quote from: LittleAngel1198;260295
So.... if you aren't speeding (especially in construction zones), you don't have anything to worry about. It also clearly states where the money goes from the tickets.
It's funny how people whine about laws being enforced. Seems to me that the ones who complain the loudest are the ones who are usually breaking the laws and hoping to not get caught. This just ups your chances of getting caught, I think that's what people's real problem with it is.
It is. I get caught for everything anyways so thats not my worry. When people bring up the "doing their jobs" topic though it makes me think. In the time we are in the last thing we need is something that replaces more jobs. If this does work then I hope that other issues can be dealt with since they wont be spread as thin.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: 86XR7project on March 09, 2009, 12:27:38 PM
according to Car&Driver the tickets issued by these cameras are civil offenses rather than criminal offenses, that tweak conveniently sidesteps the legal requrement in criminal cases to prove guilt beyond a resonable doubt. For a civil case, the state need only show guilt was "Likely". This is a bad way to get screwed but this way the company that makes the camera doesn't need one to show the face of the driver. Its likely to be the vehicle owner who was driving so HE gets the ticket. Eliminating due-process makes revenue for the state faster. Its a complete grease job.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on March 09, 2009, 12:35:51 PM
If it wasn't the owner driving, they can dispute it as such.
And please don't tell me it's about the jobs.... I don't believe that for one minute. If people were seriously concerned about officers and losing their jobs, they wouldn't use speeding as an excuse. The only reason officers lose their jobs is because of lack of funding for their pay or the officers that end up breaking the laws themselves, it's never over lack of crime or people to arrest/ticket. Officers will never have to worry about job security when it comes to crimes and people breaking laws and them needing to enforce them.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: 86XR7project on March 09, 2009, 12:39:20 PM
Its a civil case so you basically become guilty because its not a criminal case as i stated you are LIKELY to be guilty therefore you ARE guilty.
Speeding isn't smart but we have all done it sometime in our life. Some of us seem to attract officers (Like myself) and we don't like it.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 09, 2009, 12:41:14 PM
If there's any comfort in the whole speed camera mess, it's that insurance companies, who have long been lobbying for speed cameras (in the name of safety, of course) will not benefit from it. Because it's a civil matter it does not go against the driver's record and insurance companies will never find out about it. That C&D article actually points this fact out, and goes so far as to say that lawmakers actually made it this way so that people would be less likely to fight the ticket. Make the ticket hurt as little as possible. No profits in court hearings. However, if you decided to fight a ticket and lost (which you almost certainly would, since courts are stacked in favour of the DMV) you lose points, your insurance company finds out, and you pay through the nose.
The C/D article is actually mainly focused around that point: Pay without a fuss and you'll be unscathed. I think the article is even called "Give us your money and nobody gets hurt"
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: EricCoolCats on March 09, 2009, 12:44:18 PM
It is also the problem that Ohio is known for hard-ass cops. And every single bit of that perception is absolutely true. This action does nothing but reinforce the notion.
In our neighboring state of PA, they've instituted a little better of a system when it comes to construction zones, especially on the turnkpike. Headlights must be turned on, but the speed limits are surprisingly higher compared to Ohio. Maybe it's because PA insists on putting a double cement barrier around the work zone. Their signage is also much better and surprisingly accurate. Also, the road crews will turn on a flashing yellow light to let the motorists know that, yes indeed, there is actual work being done at this time so they'd better slow down. No flashing light, no work zone. Simple, effective, communicative.
Ohio? Not so much. They're rather ambush you, assume you're guilty, and make you pay an exhorbitant fine.
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to travel our state (even though it is a nice Midwestern state with a very progressive capital). I'm also thankful that CJ is just over the border from PA, and not more mid-state, for those travelling from the east and southeast.
The notion of the proposal--safety in work zones--is commendable. The end outcome (if it passes) is reprehensible. Simple as that.
Traffic cameras are simply a way for communities who may be short-staffed to generate revenue in the name of "safer streets". On the surface their motives may look honorable. But everyone knows that money is the impetus. The fact that traffic camera companies kick back revenue to the city is all the proof you'll ever need. Why pay a cop to sit at an intersection, when a box can do it for you all day long AND pay you back at the same time? It's no surprise that this is like dangling a kapybara in front of a crocodile. And mayor after mayor gets suckered in...
We have three communities in my area dealing with traffic cameras. One is trying to get it; city council keeps voting it down in fear that it will drive business away. Another city had it, but an Ohio Supreme Court decision put it in limbo, and all the fines collected are now in escrow; a final decision is still pending. A third city just got it. I've seen the box a few times but it was always in the other direction. Seemed to have little effect on people's driving, especially when the road--speed limit 25 MPH--is so littered with potholes that it's practically impossible to go the speed limit anyway.
The box can't tell if someone is going left-of-center. The box can't check for expired tags. The box can't pull anyone over for having headlamps out. All it can do is measure speed and take photos. Its singular purpose will eventually be its downfall. When communities are held hostage because of them, there can only be one outcome. I can tell you that business owners did things like block the camera with their vehicles, or put a piece of black posterboard over the front, things like that, as a protest to the cameras being chained in front of their businesses. No damages were ever done to the boxes themselves. Was it obstruction of justice? Well, since it's civil, that's another grey area, isn't it?
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: 86XR7project on March 09, 2009, 12:44:21 PM
yeah but its so sneaky they want you to fight it
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 09, 2009, 12:59:12 PM
Karen: If it was about safety I'd have no problem whatsoever with speed cameras. Unfortunately safety has nothing to do with it. Speed cameras are rarely, if ever, set up in an area where excessive speed will kill you or somebody else (like on old back roads, at construction sites, etc). They're almost exclusively set up on some of the safest stretches of road around (interstates, 4-lanes) because that's where people are more likely to speed. Another popular speed camera trick is to set up in an area where there is a sudden reduction in speed limits, or where the speed limit is kept artificially low for the sole purpose of nailing speeders. In other words they are set up where they can make the most money, not where they can make the most difference with safety.
And it's not just speed cameras set up at these convenient locations. Police officers frequent them as well. Every time I go to the city I see a speed trap on the same stretch of road. Perfectly straight, perfectly level, four lanes of smooth pavement, and at the times they set their traps, relatively light traffic. Perfect place to catch speeders.
Meanwhile the newspapers are full every day of people being killed on the twisted, hilly, and very poor condition back roadsmuch like the road I live on. In fact, I live right at the point where the speed limit goes from 50 to 40 MPH (the sign is actually on my property) because there's a very sharp turn coming up with a gas station on that turn. Two months after I moved in a person was killed on that turn - she was out checking her mailbox and a speeding (and drunk) teenager lost it on the turn and nailed her. Every single day I see people pulling around other cars to pass right in front of my house, even though it's a reduced speed zone, not a passing lane, and in one direction it's a blind turn and in the other it's a blind hill. Every time I leave my driveway, even if I'm turning right, I have to look both ways before leaving it to make sure nobody's coming the other way on the wrong side of the road.
Yet you NEVER see police cars on the back roads. EVER. Because there isn't enough volume to write the officer's pay cheque, much less for his car and radar gun. Speed cameras at least eliminate the officer and car, but they still set 'em up in the safest but most profitable areas, not the areas that could really use some enforcement.
Check that: You do see cop cars on the back roads sometimes: For one month a year, it's deer season, and the back roads suddenly become busy. Lots of drunk drivers and gun violations. There are police everywhere at that time of year. I'm not growling about them being there, though - I just wish they'd devote that same kind of attention to the real dangerous roads the other 11 months of the year.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 09, 2009, 01:06:04 PM
Eric brought up another very valid point: Speed cameras check one thing only: Speed. They do not look for tailgaters, dangerous drivers, drunk drivers, unsafe vehicles, stolen vehicles, or any of the real dangers. They do not patrol the roads and assist in breakdowns or look for criminal behavoiur. They look for speed. This will eventually have the opposite effect of safety: Once people get used to knowing they can get away with anything they want as long as they do it slowly you'll see much worse behaviour on highways than people driving 15MPH over the limit.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: DVP on March 09, 2009, 01:16:36 PM
Quote from: DVP;260282
Hope I see some decrease in crime, not a decrease in the police force. That would be a slap in everyones face if they cut officers.
As stated in my original post. Although what you say is true, cuts are being made EVERYWHERE. Job security does not exist.
Believe it or not, that is how I feel.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on March 09, 2009, 01:20:12 PM
Thanks for making those points Carm... I can understand the complaints about it when you bring up those points.
Have you by chance called to complain (many times) about the issues going on near your home? I just wondered if you had reported the incident. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, ya know? I just wondered if you report things as they happen if it would increase patrols in that area.
Eric, you brought up good points too... it's good to see that there are more reasons for not having them than "police losing their jobs" and "it's not constitutional". Those points you brought up are much more valid (to me anyway).
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: EricCoolCats on March 09, 2009, 01:46:50 PM
Trust me, it's a very hot issue around here, and we've seen our share of spats over it, including quite a few legal ones. In this area, people will do anything to cheat the system. The local police departments that have the traffic cameras typically are in the cities where there are the fewest layoffs in safety forces (although that has changed in the last year or so). It's not hard to figure out that money is the sole motivating factor, not "safety".
It all starts with a hare-brained mayor that seems to think it's a "good idea". From there it rolls downhill very quickly...
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: pegasus on March 09, 2009, 02:12:41 PM
grrrrr
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: 86XR7project on March 09, 2009, 03:44:06 PM
Quote from: pegasus;260329
grrrrr
i agree
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Thunder Chicken on March 09, 2009, 05:38:41 PM
Quote from: LittleAngel1198;260319
Have you by chance called to complain (many times) about the issues going on near your home? I just wondered if you had reported the incident. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, ya know? I just wondered if you report things as they happen if it would increase patrols in that area.
I've complained, signed petitions, and have even considered getting a video camera and filming some of these hillbillies as they fly by (sometimes in cars missing doors, fer chrissake!). Gov't doesn't care, there's no money in enforcing the law in rural areas.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Quietleaf on March 09, 2009, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;260311
Karen: If it was about safety I'd have no problem whatsoever with speed cameras. Unfortunately safety has nothing to do with it. Speed cameras are rarely, if ever, set up in an area where excessive speed will kill you or somebody else (like on old back roads, at construction sites, etc). They're almost exclusively set up on some of the safest stretches of road around (interstates, 4-lanes) because that's where people are more likely to speed. Another popular speed camera trick is to set up in an area where there is a sudden reduction in speed limits, or where the speed limit is kept artificially low for the sole purpose of nailing speeders. In other words they are set up where they can make the most money, not where they can make the most difference with safety.
And it's not just speed cameras set up at these convenient locations. Police officers frequent them as well. Every time I go to the city I see a speed trap on the same stretch of road. Perfectly straight, perfectly level, four lanes of smooth pavement, and at the times they set their traps, relatively light traffic. Perfect place to catch speeders.
Meanwhile the newspapers are full every day of people being killed on the twisted, hilly, and very poor condition back roadsmuch like the road I live on. In fact, I live right at the point where the speed limit goes from 50 to 40 MPH (the sign is actually on my property) because there's a very sharp turn coming up with a gas station on that turn. Two months after I moved in a person was killed on that turn - she was out checking her mailbox and a speeding (and drunk) teenager lost it on the turn and nailed her. Every single day I see people pulling around other cars to pass right in front of my house, even though it's a reduced speed zone, not a passing lane, and in one direction it's a blind turn and in the other it's a blind hill. Every time I leave my driveway, even if I'm turning right, I have to look both ways before leaving it to make sure nobody's coming the other way on the wrong side of the road.
Yet you NEVER see police cars on the back roads. EVER. Because there isn't enough volume to write the officer's pay cheque, much less for his car and radar gun. Speed cameras at least eliminate the officer and car, but they still set 'em up in the safest but most profitable areas, not the areas that could really use some enforcement.
Check that: You do see cop cars on the back roads sometimes: For one month a year, it's deer season, and the back roads suddenly become busy. Lots of drunk drivers and gun violations. There are police everywhere at that time of year. I'm not growling about them being there, though - I just wish they'd devote that same kind of attention to the real dangerous roads the other 11 months of the year.
A good comparison is red-light cameras in PA. I think there are a grand total of three or four, statewide. One is at a specific intersection on Roosevelt Blvd. in north Philly. I couldn't count the number of fatal accidents they have there each year. So, they finally put in a red-light camera in. By state law, red-light cameras are forbidden except for the specific (three or four) intersections mentioned in the statute -- because they really are dangerous intersections. The fact that speed cameras are being installed statewide just doesn't pass the smell test.
There's a reason why radar and laser are banned statewide from use by local munilities in PA. We don't want every little two-bit town preying on people passing through. New Jersey is like that, and we don't want to live that way. Speed can be enforced where it's a problem, but the increased level of effort required to use VASCAR means that towns will use it only where speeding is actually a safety problem.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Cougars 2 go on March 09, 2009, 10:10:52 PM
I don't know how or what they are taught, but drivers in Germany are far better than drivers here. Driving over there is so much nicer and driving habits/styles are much more consistent over there. It seems all we have to do is fog up a mirror to get a license.
I know that doesn't have much to do with the subject but I think the problem with US drivers is the driver education they are required to obtain before getting license.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: DVP on March 09, 2009, 10:26:20 PM
Quote from: Cougars 2 go;260434
I don't know how or what they are taught, but drivers in Germany are far better than drivers here. Driving over there is so much nicer and driving habits/styles are much more consistent over there. It seems all we have to do is fog up a mirror to get a license.
I know that doesn't have much to do with the subject but I think the problem with US drivers is the driver education they are required to obtain before getting license.
Process is much longer and more expensive. It is actually seen as a privilege and not a right... like it should be seen here. Almost anyone can get a license here.
Wait you got to drive in Germany? Autobahn?
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: jcassity on March 09, 2009, 11:00:05 PM
littleangle,, I find it very distrubing that your thoughs on post 7 and 10 were so frim and grounded as though there is no disputing it, only to be so easily persuded in the other direction .... Just an observation so dont blast me on it.
In retrospect to this,, a good friend and famous politician once said "the buisness of the nation is buisness">purdy deep when you think about it. Its ironic this camera system is in a way capitalizm in its truest form and i should lump it and like it.
I may have been among the whiners you pointed to but rest assure I am a perfect roll model citizen. I have no criminal record and intend to keep it that way. I have a full life syle polygraph , TSC ,and all the whistles n bells in JVAC's to prove i have passed many tests. I do however have this nitch for observation and its usefullness did not go overlooked with uncle sam in the sand pit over seas recently. I read things like a see them with no contamination inserted from anything outside our basic constitution. When someone says a person can be guilty unless the prove they are inocent, I say this is wrong because of our Basic constitution, not because of some add on from later years having to do with Cival court. Reverting to my knowledge of our constitution , anything court related says we are not guilty unless proven otherwise.
Just as a point, I do whine but I am not a bad driver as you can see,,just an averge joe. I do not believe anyone else here is a whiner either. I can not let obstructions like this go without speaking up for myself and those who lost thier voice long ago.
It isnt right that you can bet your bottom dollar this camara system of a machine will only do one thing and thats to generate money. WIll it be useful when a rape happens on the corner of x/y street? a robbery or another crime? That will be the time when you hear those elected officals come up with every song and dance to delay the media in hopes they forget or bigger news of the day takes its place. These things are here to screw you 95% of the time. The other 5% is when they are broken or useless to any other crime comitted that does not generate revenue.
DVP Your dead on..........ever been through a "self service" toll booth. Folks thought that was a secure job. I heard rumor of hospitals with automated nursing systems where a certified contractor would dawn the suit of the day and play attendant here in the Greenbrier Hospital due to <<>> lack of talent or skilled workers. Cops can be replaced just as well as i can be replaced tomorrow. Ever do a self check out grocery,,,:rollin: HAHAH,, yeah that use to be a secure job. SO,, lessons learned,,,,>> Bots of some form are the wave of the future so get your degree in it before the market is flooded. At one poiint in time, it was my calling but the nation in general was not ready for it. As these things get pushed down our throats to the point we actually forget we have a voice anymore, only then will we all be the same. sad but true,,,,yet it is preventable. As long as your not guilty of something, you have free speech. As soon as policy is passed to make you guilty of something by default, you become the criminal and at which point you will conform more easily out of fear.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Cougars 2 go on March 09, 2009, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: DVP;260446
Process is much longer and more expensive. It is actually seen as a privilege and not a right... like it should be seen here. Almost anyone can get a license here.
Wait you got to drive in Germany? Autobahn?
Yeah, several times. Autobahn is their "interstate" system. The more rural portions have derestriction zones where you can open up a bit. I had an A6 over there last time. Turbo diesel 7-speed shiftronic. It topped out (couldn't go any faster than) at about 230kph. Felt good...actually better than the 5-series I had a few times before that.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Haystack on March 10, 2009, 01:05:13 AM
It sounds like a complete waste of time. I think the last thing I need to worry about is driving a 33,000 gvwr f750 with a 7,000 trailer and being able to stop in time for a light. You get a truck that big going 55 and the light turns yellow and you only have a second or two to decide whether you want to lock up the tires or coast through the end of the intersection as the light turns red. I think that could hurt alot more people then help. If a driver isn't paying alot of attention and see's me try to stop as the light goes green, they may just go as I sail through them with a giant steel renforced bumper.
Not only that, there are times when you need to go under or over the speed limit in extreme situations. I have met someone on a on-ramp where I was going close to the speed limit and was trapped in the right lane, when someone tried to merge going less then 45. There have been a couple of times where I didn't have time to stop, but could get in front of a car in the next lane over. If it came between a ticket in a work truck, which I would lose my job, or forcing someone off the freeway, it may just come to the latter.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on March 11, 2009, 07:46:26 AM
Jcassity, I already explained why I changed my opinion on it... two people pointed out actual (situations) reasons why they are a bad idea.... I don't understand why it is a big deal to you that I changed my opinion on it because of that.
Title: For the record:
Post by: t3skidoo on March 14, 2009, 08:59:14 PM
do the ticket issuers have to follow the law to enforce it? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/denvers-red-light-cameras-no-data-just-tickets.ars
who cares about privacy? http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/25/2537.asp
it's all about the 'safety' http://www.leftlanenews.com/six-us-cities-tamper-with-traffic-cameras-for-profit.html http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/red_light_cameras_yellow_light.php http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23710970/ http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/national-119/123697404333220.xml&storylist=topstories&thispage=2
not photo cameras, but same theme: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Property_seizures_seen_as_piracy_.html
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: ~AC on March 15, 2009, 12:51:14 AM
how do speed cameras react when a 20 pack of cars is doing 20mph over the speed limit. does it have a rapid fire feature like dslr's n such? or do only the cars at the end of the pack get the tickets? ive never been on the interstate here in georgia, going with the speed of traffic, and not been speeding 10+ sometimes 20+. which, btw, is scary when if you run the probability of how many bad drivers out of 20 could be around you in your head and the posted speed limit is 70mph.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on March 15, 2009, 01:22:29 AM
Quote from: ~AC;261676
how do speed cameras react when a 20 pack of cars is doing 20mph over the speed limit. does it have a rapid fire feature like dslr's n such? or do only the cars at the end of the pack get the tickets? ive never been on the interstate here in georgia, going with the speed of traffic, and not been speeding 10+ sometimes 20+. which, btw, is scary when if you run the probability of how many bad drivers out of 20 could be around you in your head and the posted speed limit is 70mph.
Same problem here in Tennessee. I am on the Interstate 2 hours each day(1 hr there, 1 hr back) and if I am going 70, I would get run over. Even if i feel safe enough to go 80, in the grandma lane, I still have some jerk who stays on my ass until i either let off the gas and slow down, or change lanes.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: jcassity on March 15, 2009, 03:03:21 AM
Its all about the money,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Does anyone remember this quote ,, "the people dont care about paula jones, they care about the DOW JONES" and who was saying it?
Its really ironic and perfectly applicable today.,, but not in favor of those who spoke the words just a very short time ago. please accept this small morsel of sarcasme and its preamble to the new times ahead as we follow the exact path of the nation we fled,,,,,,,,not too long ago.
"Private companies in the US are hoping to use red light cameras and speed cameras as the basis for a nationwide surveillance network similar to one that will be active next year in the UK. Redflex and American Traffic Solutions (ATS), the top two photo enforcement providers in the US, are quietly shopping new motorist tracking options to prospective state and local government clients. Redflex explained the company's latest developments in an August 7 meeting with Homestead, Florida officials.
In the past, police databases have been used to intimidate innocent motorists. An Edmonton, Canada police sergeant, for example, found himself outraged after he read columnist Kerry Diotte criticize his city's photo radar operation in the Edmonton Sun newspaper. The sergeant looked up Diotte's personal information, and, without the assistance of electronic scanners, ordered his subordinates to "be on the lookout" for Diotte's BMW. Eventually a team of officers followed Diotte to a local bar where they hoped to trap the journalist and accuse him of driving under the influence of alcohol. Diotte took a cab home and the officers' plan was exposed after tapes of radio traffic were leaked to the press. Police later cleared themselves of any serious wrong-doing following an extensive investigation."
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: 20th anny 5.o on March 15, 2009, 09:19:04 AM
One of the biggest problems i see with the red light/speed cameras is if they are a ticket why am i not assessed any points to my license? Its nothing more than a cash cow for lazy states/towns like Toledo. Believe me the cameras here in Toledo have been vandalized people popping off the little maintenance door at the bottom and cutting wires. People are not happy about these units especially how much they cost to Install.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: t3skidoo on March 16, 2009, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: ~AC;261676
how do speed cameras react when a 20 pack of cars is doing 20mph over the speed limit.
I recently got a love note from one of the cash-desperate locales around here. There was an officer and a badge number in the letter. My guess is, right now, we're paying a police officer to sit at a desk and watch video all day long.
My question is, how long will the insurance companies wait? They're losing money on this deal. They're not going to sit on their hands and allow someone else to horn in on their cut.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Jim_Miller on March 16, 2009, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: jangus;260239
they now have to go and hire "for profit" companies to manage this program. Gee, I wonder who's benifiting from this?
Hope it's not Omni Consumer Products (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omni_Consumer_Products")
Sure sounds like it.. "OCP owns and operates a structured, private police force but also an under-the-table criminal ring, thus ensuring that there is always a never-ending supply-and-demand for both security and crime."
Law enforcement "for profit" is a BAD idea!
(yes I KNOW its from the movie ROBOCOP, that does not mean it's not possible)
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: t3skidoo on March 24, 2009, 12:35:43 PM
I hope this is the beginning of the end http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/24/145247
but probably not
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Grumbles on March 24, 2009, 02:09:15 PM
Yeah, its only gonna be about a second, boy til they take away alla this country And theyll tell you not to listen to this here song And that far-off sound of freedoms Gonna be an echo from the past And the final tune is gonna be sad and long
And its only gonna be about an eye-blink, boy til they pull out the wool to blind us So we just cant read all the messages on the wall But the only words that matter Oughta be scribbled all over them billboards In big old black and bloody letters, ten feet tall
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Haystack on March 24, 2009, 08:56:42 PM
Wow, read this link from the main article... http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/11/1550231&tid=266
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: t3skidoo on March 24, 2009, 09:01:44 PM
One of the links I have saved is broken, it was a story like yours.
In Texas, yellow lights must be 3 seconds long. One of the companies that installed the cameras, surprise! tuned the lights to be shorter than legally mandated.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: jcassity on March 24, 2009, 09:53:26 PM
Quote from: Grumbles;263641
Yeah, its only gonna be about a second, boy til they take away alla this country And theyll tell you not to listen to this here song And that far-off sound of freedoms Gonna be an echo from the past And the final tune is gonna be sad and long
And its only gonna be about an eye-blink, boy til they pull out the wool to blind us So we just cant read all the messages on the wall But the only words that matter Oughta be scribbled all over them billboards In big old black and bloody letters, ten feet tall
CW McCall,,(sp),, yeah I like that song and the message as well.
Title: Speed cameras in Ohio
Post by: Grumbles on March 25, 2009, 04:06:12 AM