Technical => Body/Appearance/Interior => Topic started by: massCougarxr7 on January 03, 2009, 10:30:55 AM
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: massCougarxr7 on January 03, 2009, 10:30:55 AM
Ok...My girlfriends 88 had a small stress crack in the lower passenger side of the windsheild, that has now turned into a large crack across the entire windsheild. (From lower pass. side to lower driver side).. My question is will an 87 cougar windshield fit? And how do all the outer trim pieces come off?...I can get this windsheild for thirty bucks, and its the only one i can find for that price....Any input is greatly appriciated....
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: 88turbo on January 03, 2009, 12:45:57 PM
should be the same glass. if I remember right the two side pieces are screwed on and the top is clipped on but as far as the lower I am not sure but most likely screwed as well.
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: massCougarxr7 on January 03, 2009, 01:23:27 PM
Thank you 88turbo, im going to get the window in a day or two, so i will let you know how it goes. Any precautions pertaining to actually pulling the glass...it is like 26degrees here..
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: daminc on January 03, 2009, 01:35:24 PM
It says there are rivets and screws at the top corner/sides of the moulding, clips all around, and screws holding the bottom. Make sure everything is really clean before you re-butyl the new window. It also says something about a PVC tape that goes on top of a foam dam for sealing
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: shame302 on January 03, 2009, 01:47:53 PM
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Any precautions pertaining to actually pulling the glass
nope. just a "good luck". im thinking your not going to get that off with at least some heat although the friction from sawing through with the cord should be enough. they can be tricky to get out without breaking, as specially if you havnt done it before. just be super careful and you should be fine.
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Post by: daminc on January 03, 2009, 01:56:28 PM
You can also have someone do it for you. if you have the replacement.
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: mjbtbrd on January 03, 2009, 02:38:25 PM
I doubt you have comp insurance, but if you do it is covered by your insurance. I had mine done last spring by JN Philips and they did a good job.
If you are doing it yourself it is kinda cold in mass for this kinda thing. I hope you are indoors at least. BTW hello neighbor
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: dominator on January 03, 2009, 07:08:20 PM
Most of the time they break on the way out and are not easily removed without the right tools. Do NOT install it yourself,the urthane adhesive used is special stuff for adhering the glass to the body and must be used. The windshield is a structural component of the body when correctly installed and if not installed correctly can be very dangerous in a collision. The windshield of a car is not the place to skimp and save.
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: massCougarxr7 on January 03, 2009, 09:43:25 PM
Im not planning on skimping on this...its just the pulling i needed to know....i have to pull it out of a junk yard car...not going to be fun. But if i want it for cheap, i cant be whiney or lazy...lol. And yes im having someone else put it in..Do i need to find a new "foam" piece, or is it something a glass installation company would..eg. affordable auto glass? ill call and ask...... Thanks again, and Hello neighbor!!!Mjbtbird!!!!!!
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: massCougarxr7 on January 12, 2009, 02:38:17 PM
So i went to the yard with one of those window pulers (aluminum bar with two handles cable and blade...). I ended up breaking the first one by heating the glass too much..i know impatience on my part.. so there was also a tbird there so i cut up an e-brake cable, took one strand off, snuck it through the adhesive and tried sawing through it...that didnt work.. so i started heating the wire from the side and sliding it through/down the side, it was working perfectly, and then CRACK!!!!!! out of nowhere it breaks... a half day wasted..... so now i have to pay 60 for the window and make sure i get it out.... just an update...
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: Kitz Kat on January 12, 2009, 02:54:23 PM
It's not easy getting used glass, figure your time involved, call a shop see what they want for it bet its close to less than 150. I have a quote here that is $229 installed, new tinted.
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: shame302 on January 12, 2009, 03:12:36 PM
you can get just a roll of cable at the parts store. ou should be able to sneak it through the adhesive. shouldnt have to heat it, rapid sawing motion should cause enough friction to keep it hot. just try not to stop much. once ou make one pass all around, you should have to do a 2nd pass but it will be much easier. its tricky, but it can and does work.
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: massCougarxr7 on January 13, 2009, 09:57:55 AM
yeah i figured going real slow would work but the sawing motion didnt it was way too cold...
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: EricCoolCats on January 13, 2009, 11:06:53 AM
I've attempted removing a windshield several times and never was successful. Obviously it's easier in the summertime, when the adhesive is easier to break. But you do have to watch for one thing with a used windshield: delamination, or the separation of the glass from the plastic. If you look in the bottom corners you may see the inner clear plastic layer separating from the glass; it will look like air bubbles. That's a sign that the windshield will more than likely break at that point, either upon removal or after installation.
In 2007 the original windshield in my '84 cracked for no obvious reason. In fact it happened at Cat Jam right in front of several witnesses. When I took the car to the windshield repair facility I asked the owner why it happened. He told me it was delaminated at the corner, and showed me exactly where the windshield had failed. At that point I wanted to put another OEM windshield in, and had one in my old '88 Blue Max that would have worked. But he asked me how the corners were on the '88 glass, and I told him I didn't recall. He said if they were showing signs of delamination then don't even bother trying to use it because it WILL fail. I checked, and sure enough they were separating, actually worse than the original '84 windshield had looked. I went with their new replacement non-OEM windshield. It is absolutely beautiful and except for the missing logo in the bottom center, you'd never know it wasn't original. Cost was around $160. And it has a guarantee. Just food for thought.
Eventually, as you get older and your insurance rates drop, you can likely get windshield replacement in your auto policy. Most insurance carriers have an allowance for that nowadays. Although I've never used it, it's nice to know that it's there.
And FYI, Mark VII windshields cross-reference with our cars. ;)
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: massCougarxr7 on January 13, 2009, 09:48:49 PM
Sweet... thanks eric i will keep that in mind...
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: Chuck W on January 13, 2009, 10:14:11 PM
I was able to salvage and re-use the windshield in the '80 (had to pull it to fix rust), but it was 20% free(as in loose from the adhesive) anyway to begin with, but I still was extra careful as finding a replacement for it would not have been cheap. I did have someone come and reinstall it for me though. Worth the $$ there.
I tried to salvage one other from an old '85 TC POS I had, but was terribly unsuccessful at that time.
They're still relatively cheap for the 83-88's these days, so if/when I need a new one for the '83 I'll just have it done by a professional.
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on January 14, 2009, 08:08:25 AM
A buddy that works at a dealership got me a new one for $50, from one of the local glass co... He installs glass all the time and has the proper tools, but had a hell of a time cutting the old(original) one out... While we weren't trying to save it, the old urethane was so hard, cutting through it busted the glass in a 1000 places(orig had a small crack in lower left corner)...
I did successfully pull one from a '85 that was sealed with a very soft compound... Was a summer day and it came right out, but I wouldn't attempt it in cold weather...
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: massCougarxr7 on January 15, 2009, 09:59:32 AM
I had the feeling that i wouldnt be getting the window out..... it was almost impossible to get the cabe to bend over the roof and under the top seam of the glass..... what a pain in the:shakeass:
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 15, 2009, 10:17:55 AM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;251492
I've attempted removing a windshield several times and never was successful. Obviously it's easier in the summertime, when the adhesive is easier to break. But you do have to watch for one thing with a used windshield: delamination, or the separation of the glass from the plastic. If you look in the bottom corners you may see the inner clear plastic layer separating from the glass; it will look like air bubbles. That's a sign that the windshield will more than likely break at that point, either upon removal or after installation.
In 2007 the original windshield in my '84 cracked for no obvious reason. In fact it happened at Cat Jam right in front of several witnesses. When I took the car to the windshield repair facility I asked the owner why it happened. He told me it was delaminated at the corner, and showed me exactly where the windshield had failed. At that point I wanted to put another OEM windshield in, and had one in my old '88 Blue Max that would have worked. But he asked me how the corners were on the '88 glass, and I told him I didn't recall. He said if they were showing signs of delamination then don't even bother trying to use it because it WILL fail. I checked, and sure enough they were separating, actually worse than the original '84 windshield had looked. I went with their new replacement non-OEM windshield. It is absolutely beautiful and except for the missing logo in the bottom center, you'd never know it wasn't original. Cost was around $160. And it has a guarantee. Just food for thought.
Eventually, as you get older and your insurance rates drop, you can likely get windshield replacement in your auto policy. Most insurance carriers have an allowance for that nowadays. Although I've never used it, it's nice to know that it's there.
And FYI, Mark VII windshields cross-reference with our cars. ;)
that's what the little air bubles in the windshield on the lower passenger side are on my 88 :hick: . How long till the thing breaks?
Title: Windsheild Fits?
Post by: massCougarxr7 on January 15, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
ouch!!!! like they say ....you learn somthing new everyday..