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Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: FLSTCI71 on December 28, 2008, 06:36:37 PM
Long story short, Ford didn't build a supercharged bird until 1989 and that was a mistake. So, my son and I have been working on one this fall. It just got fired up recently and my son is pretty pumped. It's not quite roadworthy yet, but certainly will be by spring time. Sorry for the B&W video. You don't even need to watch it though, just crank the volume!

http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg4/flstci71/Car%20Pics/?action=view¤t=MOV05665.flv
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: shame302 on December 28, 2008, 07:02:01 PM
cams....Yay!
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: jncocowboyx on December 28, 2008, 07:08:12 PM
that's pretty sweet.
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: Thunder Chicken on December 28, 2008, 07:51:36 PM
If you could bottle that idle you'd sell millions :D
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: Chooglin on December 28, 2008, 09:31:29 PM
now that just sounds "sick"......................I love it.
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: GrannysBird on December 29, 2008, 08:52:46 PM
 that thing idles nice.
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: 88turbo on December 29, 2008, 09:08:16 PM
I hate you all that have your V8 cars at arms reach :mad:  mine are 100 miles from here and I cant ever get there to do anything with them.  No not really  :D  sounds awesome.  here in the next few months I'll get to work on my big 4 eye cougar ;)
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: daminc on December 29, 2008, 09:22:39 PM
That would look nice in my car. and my birthday is coming up soon. :D
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: pegasus on December 29, 2008, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: 88turbo;249360
I hate you all that have your V8 cars at arms reach :mad:  mine are 100 miles from here and I cant ever get there to do anything with them.  No not really  :D  sounds awesome.  here in the next few months I'll get to work on my big 4 eye cougar ;)


I like to take my v8 out and just look at for a hour or 2 :shakeass:
some times after a big race slide it out and slap it on the fender like they do in them there porno movies:rollin: but while your in AU you should get some aussie Cleavland heads
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: pegasus on December 29, 2008, 09:53:01 PM
but anyways get it ready for cat jam and the T&T im hoping to bring my street/show bird and drag bird maybe budget birdcatlincstang (its kinda like manbearpig) you should be at 450 -500hp maybe, should be a good few races does what are your specs?
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: pegasus on December 29, 2008, 09:55:56 PM
Quote from: 88turbo;249360
I hate you all that have your V8 cars at arms reach :mad:  mine are 100 miles from here and I cant ever get there to do anything with them.  No not really  :D  sounds awesome.  here in the next few months I'll get to work on my big 4 eye cougar ;)


I like to take my v8 out and just look at for a hour or 2 :shakeass:
some times after a big race slide it out and slap it on the fender like they do in them there porno movies:rollin: but while your in AU you should get some aussie Cleavland heads
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: 88turbo on December 29, 2008, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: pegasus;249374
you should get some aussie Cleavland heads


you have some?? :hick:
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on December 30, 2008, 11:15:42 AM
What cam you runnin???
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: HAVI on December 30, 2008, 09:20:59 PM
hey, bring me some Aussie  C-heads for mine, eh!!!

Mike, sounds great!!
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: FLSTCI71 on December 31, 2008, 01:52:34 PM
[FONT="]Here's a quick list of some specs:[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT]
[FONT="]Fox 5.0 Standard Bore & Stroke[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Ford Motorsport E-303 Roller Cam[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Ford Roller Lifters[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Crane 1.7 Roller Rockers[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Ford Motorsport Double Roller Timing Chain[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Keith Black HyperTechtic Pistons 9:1 Compression w/Molly Rings[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Canton[/FONT][FONT="] Main Girdle [/FONT]
  [FONT="]Canton[/FONT][FONT="] 7qt. Dual Sump Pan [/FONT]
  [FONT="]Melling High Volume Oil Pump[/FONT]
  [FONT="]V-3 Vortech 8 to 10psi[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Ford 19LB Fuel Injectors[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Block Decked Bores O-Ringed[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Mr.Gasket Multi-Shim Pack Head Gaskets[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Heads Surfaced[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Mild[/FONT][FONT="] Exhaust Port[/FONT][FONT="] Work[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Port Matched Intake[/FONT]
  [FONT="]ARP Head Studs & Nuts[/FONT]
  [FONT="]ARP Rod Bolts[/FONT]
  [FONT="]ARP Main Studs & Nuts[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Lakwood Scattershield[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Zoom Steel Flywheel[/FONT]
  [FONT="]Zoom HP Clutch and Pressure Plate[/FONT]
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: Thunder Chicken on December 31, 2008, 04:05:54 PM
Is it just me, or does it seem like 19# injectors aren't going to be big enough for that combo? I'd always heard 19-pounders were only good for up to 300 horses...
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: FLSTCI71 on December 31, 2008, 06:51:15 PM
I don't know if 19lbs will be enough either. We bought the motor partially done and they were included in the deal, so we're going to give them a shot. If we have to, we'll pick up some bigger injectors in the summer.
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: Masejoer on January 01, 2009, 01:29:36 PM
Quote from: FLSTCI71;249601
Here's a quick list of some specs:[

Fox 5.0 Standard Bore & Stroke
Ford Motorsport E-303 Roller Cam
Keith Black HyperTechtic Pistons 9:1 Compression w/Molly Rings
V-3 Vortech 8 to 10psi
Ford 19LB Fuel Injectors


I see these parts together asking for trouble unless the tune is perfect. Even then, I think you're looking at 36lb injectors and 255lph fuel pump. Stock block? Standard e7 heads and HO intake? I'd say you're looking at around probably a little under 400hp at upper 5000's with that setup which I would hope for as the stock block can't take much more without spending thousands in balancing -at that point an aftermarket block is pocket change.
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: FLSTCI71 on January 01, 2009, 02:16:30 PM
Quote from: Seek;249713
I see these parts together asking for trouble unless the tune is perfect. Even then, I think you're looking at 36lb injectors and 255lph fuel pump. Stock block? Standard e7 heads and HO intake? I'd say you're looking at around probably a little under 400hp at upper 5000's with that setup which I would hope for as the stock block can't take much more without spending thousands in balancing -at that point an aftermarket block is pocket change.

When you were picking out the specs, you missed an important one:

Canton Main Girdle

I know of many stock block 5.0 cars around here with well over 400rwhp and no problems. You are correct, we wouldn't want to get much crazier and a girdle is no substitution for an aftermarket block, but it should be fine for occasional playing in the street.
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: 20thanniver-ls on January 01, 2009, 10:40:47 PM
heres a link for some injectors, you could probably end up picking them up pretty cheap

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-RACING-42-FUEL-INJECTORS-M-9593-F302_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem370138390022QQitemZ370138390022QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-RACING-42-FUEL-INJECTORS-M-9593-F302_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem370138390022QQitemZ370138390022QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories")
Title: 1987 Super Coupe Project
Post by: Masejoer on January 02, 2009, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: FLSTCI71;249723
When you were picking out the specs, you missed an important one:

Canton Main Girdle

I know of many stock block 5.0 cars around here with well over 400rwhp and no problems. You are correct, we wouldn't want to get much crazier and a girdle is no substitution for an aftermarket block, but it should be fine for occasional playing in the street.


It'll help keep the rotating assembly reusable but I wouldn't put much faith in it doing much besides that. Either way it'll be a fun car to drive. I'd do the same thing but with less cam and more fuel/stronger pistons - this in itself can bring it near similar limits of the block after tuning. Of course I would have used larger chambers to help keep the boost happy on the iron heads (which was my original plan with gt40's before having to start over from scratch - I was looking for 8.5:1 static).

I just hope you will put the time in to get the setup tuned after injectors if nothing else. Putting additional air into any factory-configured car is dangerous and expensive if done incorrectly. Keep in mind that forced induction needs much larger injectors for the same power level as naturally aspirated - my assumption (as I haven't looked into it deep enough on the tuning level) is that it needs quicker more open blasts rather than longer smaller blasts due to timing and mixture differences.