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looking good, why didn't you paint the engine bay while the motor was out.

Interesting... 83 Cougar, with 87-88 Bird front... And TC at that! Each to his own. I think it looks good Im just a 4 eyed kinda guy. I thought about swapping mine to 87-88 on mine a few years ago but I really like the 4 eyed look now. I lie those rims! What size are they?Do you know the brand or anything?  Looks like its going to be a fun car when you get it done.

What are you going to do about the bumper trim and fender trim?

ported non ho upper b cam

Tell me you made the throttle body opening at least 60 mm and are using at least a 60 mm throttle body. 

What are your ECU/injector plans?

I have 19lb injectors, HO computer, and HO intake egr spacer and TB
wanna make a buy?? would be a great addition, and ill cut you a good deal.

SD
Do you have a HO upper intake, 60mm tb, and egr spacer?? I have a set up for sale
AND I have a set of mustang shorty headers, and a stock mustang h pipe for sale for duel exhaust.
And a buddy on another fourm has a mass air set up for sale, sensor, wireing, computer, and air hose

I have all of that. im just not using it.

your buddy... he wouldent happen to go by the name ddranger? would he...  ddranger has a complete mass air set up that I was looking at getting... all I really need is the computer and the pigtail I have the re pin diagram.

What are your piston plans???????????
Those cast pistons are not going to like detonation.

Ok I see some problems with your build that are pretty major:

1. A B303 cam WILL NOT RUN GOOD AT ALL WITH SPEED DENSITY! IT NEEDS A MASS AIR SYSTEM TO WORK PROPERLY. DO NOT RUN IT WITH SPEED DENSITY.

2. With a B303 cam you need to check piston to valve clearance even with the E6 heads. The cast pistons are flat tops with no valve notches.

3. 14 lb injectors will not be enough to run the engine with a B303 cam. You need 19 lb injectors.

4. Don't even think about running the engine with a B303 cam with the stock Speed density computer from a Cougar or T-bird.

What are your piston plans???????????
Those cast pistons are not going to like boost.

assumption owns you....
and the engine already runs see vid on page 2.

Assumption will absolutely own you when you try to drive it.  We are all trying to HELP you by giving you tips to reduce future aggrivation.  It will run pig fat rich all the time as you said...but only until a certain RPM, when it will run out of fuel...by severely restricting the engine with log manifolds and a SO upper plenum/throttle body, you're not "evening" things out...put some shorties on it, at least an HO upper/TB and mass air the thing, then it'll run nice.  If you try and drive it, I guarantee it'll pop, spit and bang the whole time...if you can even keep it running under a load...I didn't see if you specified auto or 5-speed, but I'm assuming auto...and if that's the case, have fun trying to two-foot it all around.

If you want to do a half-assed build, that's fine...but when people are trying to help, there really isn't a reason to get pen 15y about it just because it idled like  for 20 seconds.

Regardless of which direction you go with it, good luck.

-Don

nope. stock and stock... at least for now. just smoothed the opening... I hope this will be enough of a bottle neck to keep the block together until I get a new engine built... right now I am just going to get it going with 19 pounders and speed density ecu. when I get the twins I will go up to 60 pounders and larger lines plus a a9p ecu and mass setup. I hope to put about 230 whp down na on 87 octane and about 500 whp on corn with 19psi...

Good luck with those stock rods and crank

Same pieces as HO......all things being equal; the block will grenade first followed by the crank.

I am assuming nothing, what the reader gains from this particular post is that you plan on driving the car like this until you get your turbo's THEN mass air it....those are YOUR words...

"...right now I am just going to get it going with 19 pounders and speed density ecu."  -that conveys the message that you plan to drive it as the motor is

"when I get the twins I will go up to 60 pounders and larger lines plus a a9p ecu and mass setup"  -from this sentence it appears that you plan on waiting to do mass air until you go the turbo route

then in post #15, you said you were still looking for a mass air ECU...but that doesn't say much contrary to your previous post that I just dissected...you also said in this thread that the restrictive heads and intake will make plenty of power with turbos...so you don't even plan to run a friggin' HO upper with boost? 

There are a hell of a lot of twists and turns in your posts on this thread...the general consensus that you think the motor will run fine the way you set it up.

I am NOT trying to cause an arguement...we are trying to help you out. If we ALL see a problem with your combo, of course, we're going to make recommendations...I'm just looking for the straight story...this project has turned 5 different ways since this thread started...just by reading your posts we can see that.

Good luck with those stock rods and crank...btw, you didn't say anything about building another engine in the IMMEDIATE future, hence our advice.

Good luck,
Don

...And now you're becoming defensive towards me. 

WTF is with this thread?   
FWIW that statement wasn't for you.  I'm aware you know this.  Others may not. 


I'm just gonna leave this one alone now.....

The black scoops look pretty sweet, plan on keeping them black?

I dont get why anyone would flame him. He's done more to his car already then most of us have done in years.

Budderigs  wow! my kind of thing ,you got going there.  i never found a car yet that i  didn't want to  modify.
if you want to make it a fun car. drop the C-4 AND put in a T-5. i did that to my 1986 stang and the 1980 fairmont wadon. it was the best thing i ever did to those cars. i believe a stick car is alwise more reliable than any slush-o- automatic .

keep going with your plan on the car ,look great:burnout: .
as for those goof-balls that where giving you a hard time.  they remind me of my first  wife. they think they can tell people to do it there way and people will. but when they don't, they act like a 10year old that can't have there way.

keep us posted .look farward to seeing the ride photos.

Does your C4 have a shift kit. With a 2800 stall and a shift kit I would think it would do well for the time being. As for the T5 I think its a great idea. I would love to put a T5 in my 88.

The worst part about this whole thread is the fact you have to drive it in the winter. That Cougar should be hibernating!

on a side note does that t bird you have have heat...

Patience will work wonders.Did you say the Cougar does,or does not have heat?

I don't know, I've never tried the heat. I've only started it to move it around, I've never run it long enough for it to warm up. I do know the alternator is messed up. That's why the guy we bought it from quit driving it. The wire to the alt is fried, so that doesn't help.

the sd ran better... noticed a 2 mpg increase on mpg going to the mass. but the sd seemed more reliable. started quicker, idled better and had the same wot power.

It's been proven time and time again that a stock cammed HO with stock or near stock everything else will run better with SD.
You have a b-cam so that's irelavent....
Mass air is more forgiving and user friendly as you start to get more involved. 

It sounds as if you've done both the Mass Air swap and throttle body swap to the 70 mm uni at the same time.



I believe your issues lie more with getting the TPS and IAC dialed in with the throttle body then with the Mass Air if you didn't overlook something on the MAF swap -- it happens....

Did you check for codes?
Run a vacuum test?
Did you disconnect the vacuum line to the MAP/BAP sensor and cap the manifold side?

I wish my da1 tweecer would work with the mass setup but my supplier says that it wont. but he did say he would trade it in for an a9l tweecer

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you flash the tweecer with a new file to match the a9l? Use a computer connected to the usb of the tweecer and read the eec catch code then upload it to the tweecer. It was on my vehicle idling on the tweecer but may have fried when I accidently disonnected and connected it with the key on. :mad: Imho there is no reason to have a tweecer if you can't change the parameters or use different processors. It appears the tweecer is a very powerful tuning tool, but there was like a bunch of stuff going on the laptop and I was careless :punchballs:

Let me know if you get yours working  :burnout:

 Mike

Hey,is that a Hurst pistol grip I see in there?I have one of those on my Sport.

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/Vinnietbird/DSCF0003.jpg)

im glad you put your head down and let the guys who wanted to argue trivial stuff do their thing while you did yours.  i hate reading through a thread and then you read the beginning of a reply and it starts being just a circle jerk of insults.  ruins threads instantly but this one is turning out ok for the way it started.  i like the tc nose on the cat just for the fact its original.  it does fit, imo it just doesnt fit the C pillars.  your like 1 of maybe 2 to do that that i know of... props.

When did 2 doors get C pillars? Four doors have A, B and C pillars, 2 doors only have A and B pillars. :flame:

unless you make yours into a hardtop ;)

Rage thread is filled with rage.

well summers coming and I got sick of driving a mediocre car... so I went and bought a sn vr4 supercharger kit.

Personally I think getting a combustion engine to work at ALL with ford factory parts is impressive :o

Hey Bud, lookin' good. How was the front bumper, did it sand out okay? Either way, everything is sure looking great in the pics!!