General => Lounge => Topic started by: DVP on November 03, 2008, 09:47:56 PM
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: DVP on November 03, 2008, 09:47:56 PM
Ill start out saying I'm still heated, I don't mean kind of disrespect or anything of that nature toward police officers. I respect you for what you do.
That being said I did deal with one that was not the most understanding in anyway.
I was speeding (i am wrong for that) (late for work) 74-75 in a 60. I know for sure because I looked as I slammed the brakes. I already knew he was coming so I started to get over and I was getting off there anyways. I slowed down and started to get over but it is a merge exit that leads to another highway so it wasn't too easy to get over, especially since everyone was freaking out over the lights. I got over but it was kind of late to stop on the ramp (very busy this time of night and dangerous in to drive in let alone for him to walk in plus it is a turn. So I rolled 40-45 all the way to the first exit, my exit, and got off and pointed out the window while I was at the light to the lot I was going to. So I pull in and as he is walking up i tell him I am sorry for taking so long but I didn't want to pull over in such a dangerous and busy. He didn't give a shiznit and started going off. I was nice and respectful this whole time. I was thinking out everything before speaking so nothing came across wrong. Didn't matter. Give him my license and he is still telling me that I was wrong to continue. Honestly I was not running or anything, doing 40 I don't think I would have got far, and I was honestly looking out for the both of us. People around here do not yield to stalled or emergency vehicles that are on the side of the road even though it is the law. So I give him my insurance even though he didn't ask and was walking away and he handed it right back. So I wait... and wait... It seemed longer than it was I'm sure. And he comes back ad tell me I have a 78 in a 60 and a failure to yield to an emergency vehicle because I pulled off the highway. I wasn't doing 78 I know for sure and I don't get what he was so pissed about it though. We both knew it was a VERY dangerous place to stop. I explained to him again, at this point the ticket was printed(yes printed like a receipt) and I told him that this was me to him aside from the ticket I wanted him to know why as a person but he was so far gone he couldn't talk to me as a person. He told me you can think whatever you want but it will cost you in the long run... WTF does that have to me trying to explain to him what I was trying to do. He tells me, your luck I didn't rip you out of the car and throw you on the ground... at gun point. Didn't matter what I said he was close-minded as they come. Ended that and he handed me my stuff and started walking away. I asked if there was anything for me to sign and he kept walking away and then I said can I see the(radar) gun and he kept walking and I asked don't I have the right to see the (radar) gun? He flipped again! What law school do you go to? Who told you that? I told him everything I heard says I can see it. So I asked him your telling me I don't have the right to see it? and he told me no i was misinformed. Left it at that. Came to work and I am calming down.
I understand I was wrong but he didn't need to handle it like that and be such an ass. /END RANT/
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on November 03, 2008, 10:26:03 PM
man i know how that is ive had a similar thing happen to me not to long ago - granted i was drag racing (94 cougar against 35th anniv. stang) he pulled me over and not the stang - but treated me in a similar fashion. Maybe some cops think they are a little bit above the law sometimes and treat civilians like because they know they can, all respect to them for risking their lives or what not but they arent any different
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Post by: massCougarxr7 on November 03, 2008, 10:27:34 PM
dude that sucks bad..... speeding is speeding, i dont think 4-5 mph is that big of a deal for him to be off.. he may have just bumped it up a tad just for you not pulling over right away.. You have to think.. if you were a cop and you were pulling over a car full of ppl... and the driver dindnt stop right away, you may be a little scared...He might just be one of those people that covers fear with anger....Besides if he wanted to pull you over in such a bad spot, it would be his fault...he'll be the one standing dangerously close to speeding trffic...{not to defend him}
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: DVP on November 03, 2008, 11:09:42 PM
Found out this is the same cop that gave one of the girls I work with fiancée' a ticket because he didn't like the way he turned... LOL I was all alone in the car, In a dress shirt and dress pants on my way to work. I totally understand he could be scared but after I explained to him my reasoning he didn't change. Last time I was pulled over (rich area cops) they got pissed I stopped on the road instead of a side street. I cant win for losing!
Well good and bad news. The guy that is dragging the truck deal out was suppose to pay me tonight, didn't. His brother in a county cop. Ticket will be dealt with tomorrow. I am not a speeder really. If I do I do it late on empty roads not that its much better but a little. Well see how everything turns out tomorrow. I have 2 test tomorrow I couldn't study for until now because I couldn't focus I was so pissed.
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Post by: jcassity on November 03, 2008, 11:25:57 PM
humm ,, hard call to make because its the cops shoes i have never stood in. pulling to a safer area is your right if you do not feel safe. not too many years ago in the mid 90's, there were ppl dressed as cops pulling people over in CA. The people were robbed and some were removed from thier car while a partner crook arrived to take the car.
Thats when I had heard it on the news many areas were warning people that if the situation seems odd or you think the marked / unmarked car might be fake, to pull into a public place where the odds of whitnesses is higher and you feel safe.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on November 03, 2008, 11:29:10 PM
^^^ All I can say is that's what I've heard too, to pull over where it's safe.
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: DVP on November 03, 2008, 11:39:39 PM
I don't have that right. He told me that it will cost me more in the long run to think that way. I was always told to go to a public place when pulled over. More embarrassing but much safer. I told him I don't know who you are. All I could see where lights. He replied with this isn't the back woods , or a small town in nowhere Mississippi we are in the middle of the suburbs and I'm in a marked car... I don't know about you guys but I cant see the sides of cars when they are right behind me. Anyone can look like a cop in a car. Hell P71 could take his car to Carm and bam there you go.
This is what really killed it. My mom has always said pull over in a public area... I tell her about this and she goes Why didn't you pull over. Your suppose to pull over as soon as the turn on the lights... Wow... Not too happy with myself right now still. I should have just took the points at work and risked it.
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: jcassity on November 03, 2008, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: DVP;241558
I . I told him I don't know who you are. .
well,, that part didnt get you anywhere thats for sure. I would have taken that as slightly sarcasitic ,, yet i master sarcasm so who am i to talk,,:D
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: DVP on November 04, 2008, 12:28:37 AM
I think I said I didnt know who you where... I hope thats what I said.
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Post by: 83Heritage on November 04, 2008, 07:47:24 AM
I have heard that if you are going to proceed to a public place, slow down (which you did), and turn on your hazards. This is supposed to "alert" the officer that you have the intention to pull over, you just don't feel the area you are in is safe. Thats what I heard anyhow.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on November 04, 2008, 08:28:27 AM
WOW! It amazes me that people admit when they do something wrong (on a public message board which also has several police officer members), they get ticketed for it, then they complain about it, while admitting guilt!
Come on! You were speeding.... he put his lights on to pull you over...it is up to HIM where he wants to stop you. If he wants you to move to a safer place, HE will tell you to do so. I know because Roger got a ticket not long ago. He was speeding, and he saw the officer's car sitting on the side of the road, he pulled over before the officer even put his lights on because he knew he was busted. It was a bad area, lot's of traffic, including big trucks, no shoulder on the road, but Roger pulled off as far as he could. When the officer came up to the car, he asked Roger to pull into a little driveway area off of the road so they could both be safe. Roger did as he was asked, no problems. Officer was very nice about it, even talked to the kids who were in the back seat.
Was it a dangerous place for us to pull over? Yes. Did the officer know that? Yes.
But he determined whether he wanted us in that spot or not and he told us to move to a safer location.
BTW, asking him to see his gun? WTF? I mean seriously.... where did you come up with that? If you question whether his radar gun was working at the time, then you can request, when you go to court, to see when it was last regulated and checked for accuracy. NOT when you are sitting in your car getting a ticket. Maybe your speedometer is off by a few miles per hour. There are many factors that can cause it to happen... different size tires or rims on your car for example.
Don't argue with the officer. He is doing his job. He is trying to ensure that all drivers are obeying the laws and that those who don't will remember to do so next time.
Face it, you were in the wrong all the way around... get over it, pay the ticket and be glad he didn't arrest you for not stopping when you should have.
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Post by: shame302 on November 04, 2008, 08:57:41 AM
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it is up to HIM where he wants to stop you. If he wants you to move to a safer place, HE will tell you to do so.
yes and no. if you seriously question weather or not its a legit officer, you can slow down, put your hazzards on and pull over in a safe area. they used to tell us here to call the dispatch if you have a phone to verrify. that also doesnt mean you not going to piss off the cop and escilate things.
well, pulling over where it was safe to do so was reasonable. not too long ago a dude i went to highschool with was arrested for impersonating a p.o. he had a uniform, badge, gun, brand new inteceptor impressivly outfited like a cop car. even had a laptop set up in it. from the outside you couldnt tell. they were pulling people over, searching their cars for drugs and what ever they could find. i girl i know was pulled over and she called the police when she realised what was going on. its bizar and effed up, but this stuff does happen and it could have been worse.
as for a legit pull over, all it takes is for something earlier that day to have happned to put either party in a shiznitty mood. were all just people. not everybody carrying a badge is going to be fit to do so. you never know whats going on with the other party. in my experiance, remaining calm and keep it to yes sir, no sir. if you were speeding, unless you have a legit excuse dont bother trying to explain anything. dont do anything that might make the cop remember you. your not going to change his mind and usually all your gonna do is piss him off and escilate the situation.
you can tell if you have a decent cop though. sometimes you can joke with them or whatever and then sometimes you can get yourself out of a ticket. generally though, its better too keep the mouth shut. "show me the gun" probably wasnt the best way to go....lol
and then you have the cops that are just giant arse holes.
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: DVP on November 04, 2008, 01:47:04 PM
Quote from: LittleAngel1198;241590
WOW! It amazes me that people admit when they do something wrong (on a public message board which also has several police officer members), they get ticketed for it, then they complain about it, while admitting guilt!
Come on! You were speeding.... he put his lights on to pull you over...it is up to HIM where he wants to stop you. If he wants you to move to a safer place, HE will tell you to do so. I know because Roger got a ticket not long ago. He was speeding, and he saw the officer's car sitting on the side of the road, he pulled over before the officer even put his lights on because he knew he was busted. It was a bad area, lot's of traffic, including big trucks, no shoulder on the road, but Roger pulled off as far as he could. When the officer came up to the car, he asked Roger to pull into a little driveway area off of the road so they could both be safe. Roger did as he was asked, no problems. Officer was very nice about it, even talked to the kids who were in the back seat.
Was it a dangerous place for us to pull over? Yes. Did the officer know that? Yes.
But he determined whether he wanted us in that spot or not and he told us to move to a safer location.
BTW, asking him to see his gun? WTF? I mean seriously.... where did you come up with that? If you question whether his radar gun was working at the time, then you can request, when you go to court, to see when it was last regulated and checked for accuracy. NOT when you are sitting in your car getting a ticket. Maybe your speedometer is off by a few miles per hour. There are many factors that can cause it to happen... different size tires or rims on your car for example.
Don't argue with the officer. He is doing his job. He is trying to ensure that all drivers are obeying the laws and that those who don't will remember to do so next time.
Face it, you were in the wrong all the way around... get over it, pay the ticket and be glad he didn't arrest you for not stopping when you should have.
I can complain just as you are doing. All that needs to be said. I already said I respect them for their job and what they do. Arrest me... Its a sad world when I get arrested for pulling into a safer place.You have your opinion and I have mine.
Quote from: shame302;241592
yes and no. if you seriously question weather or not its a legit officer, you can slow down, put your hazzards on and pull over in a safe area. they used to tell us here to call the dispatch if you have a phone to verrify. that also doesnt mean you not going to piss off the cop and escilate things.
well, pulling over where it was safe to do so was reasonable. not too long ago a dude i went to highschool with was arrested for impersonating a p.o. he had a uniform, badge, gun, brand new inteceptor impressivly outfited like a cop car. even had a laptop set up in it. from the outside you couldnt tell. they were pulling people over, searching their cars for drugs and what ever they could find. i girl i know was pulled over and she called the police when she realised what was going on. its bizar and effed up, but this stuff does happen and it could have been worse.
as for a legit pull over, all it takes is for something earlier that day to have happned to put either party in a shiznitty mood. were all just people. not everybody carrying a badge is going to be fit to do so. you never know whats going on with the other party. in my experiance, remaining calm and keep it to yes sir, no sir. if you were speeding, unless you have a legit excuse dont bother trying to explain anything. dont do anything that might make the cop remember you. your not going to change his mind and usually all your gonna do is piss him off and escilate the situation.
you can tell if you have a decent cop though. sometimes you can joke with them or whatever and then sometimes you can get yourself out of a ticket. generally though, its better too keep the mouth shut. "show me the gun" probably wasnt the best way to go....lol
and then you have the cops that are just giant arse holes.
I was respectful and following my rights. I asked him if I could see it as I was informed that I had that right. I didnt argue with him I told him I understood and explained why. In no way was I rude. In no way did I try and change his mind. I started to get over before he was even behind me. I have heard of that happening enough to not take the chance when I dont have to. We'll see what happens.
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Post by: ~AC on November 04, 2008, 02:21:50 PM
im on your side although i am guilty of stopping in really bad places. never been told to move just get out and stand on the other side of the car. but it is kinda weird he didnt settle down after you tried explaining in a calm manner. you were calm why didnt he get calm? i've always seen cops that get calm when you do, seeing as its part of controlling the situation, but i do know the cops that seem to get amped up over nothing. i think it really comes down to how people handle threatening situations.
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Post by: shame302 on November 04, 2008, 02:22:31 PM
sounds like he was a donk and you werent going to get anywhere with him anyway. weather you have the right to see it or not, id have to suspect that most people here would agree that that would come across as provoking and was probably not the best thing to say.
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Post by: Blackout on November 04, 2008, 02:37:57 PM
Okay....
How far are we talking from the time he put his lights on until you decided that it was safe? I can see a few hundred feet or so, but not a half mile to a mile.
On that way of thinking, I could technically decide that there really isn't some place safe on the interstate to pull over and go (sometimes up to) 20 miles to the next exit to pull over. Thats plain BS. If the officer decided that it was too dangerous to pull over there, he would decide to move you. If you thought that it was a dangerous place to pull over, pull as far over as you can and when the officer comes to the window, let him know that you are unconformable with where you are sitting and ask if it would be possible to move to a safer location. too easy.
Also, You were on a BUSY HIGHWAY. I don't think it gets more public than that. And if it was an unmarked squad, you always have the option of asking for a marked cruiser to also be dispatched so you know that the officer is not an impersonator. Most officers do not have any problem with that.
And asking to see his gun? Are you ****ing nuts? That was a stupid move, I'm sorry. You should have kept your trap S H U T. So he may have been having a bad day, or maybe your actions pissed him off. Either way, the side of a busy ****ing road is not the place to debate. he's doing his job. If you have a problem with that, bring it up in court, where it belongs. FYI, cops get tired of people asking to see their gun. Its annoying, and its plain disrespectful if you are sitting there on the side of the road after you DID SOMETHING WRONG. let him do his job, and if you have a problem, take it up in court.
I have 10 years in Law Enforcement, and come from a long family of Police Officers. Every single one of them, including myself, would have been rubbed wrong by your actions. It just so happens that police are not the best choice of people to piss off.
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Post by: jcassity on November 04, 2008, 02:47:15 PM
Quote from: LittleAngel1198;241590
BTW, asking him to see his gun? WTF? I mean seriously.... where did you come up with that? .
X2
And to let the record show,, I only wonder why you didnt mention this on your initial post. It does nothing but fuel the fire making people think you did not tell the whole story on the front end.
Just a fact of observation, thats all.
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Post by: oldraven on November 04, 2008, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: jcassity;241623
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And to let the record show,, I only wonder why you didnt mention this on your initial post. It does nothing but fuel the fire making people think you did not tell the whole story on the front end.
Just a fact of observation, thats all.
I read it in his original post. Also, I didn't read anything about him complaining about getting a ticket. He did complain about the cop being a complete ass wipe on a power trip, which I would too. I'm sure the officers on this board are well aware that there are plenty of people in law enforcement who deserve a kick in the teeth. Some people are in it to help keep order, whilst others are in it to be in control.
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Post by: Blackout on November 04, 2008, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: oldraven;241625
I read it in his original post. Also, I didn't read anything about him complaining about getting a ticket. He did complain about the cop being a complete ass wipe on a power trip, which I would too. I'm sure the officers on this board are well aware that there are plenty of people in law enforcement who deserve a kick in the teeth. Some people are in it to help keep order, whilst others are in it to be in control.
No Doubt. There are many officers out there that are mentally unstable, and there are some on major power trips. You have to remember though, most are not. My personal experience is that when people do stupid things, I get a bit heated. Some can control it better than others. Some cannot control it at all. I noticed that I had a VERY low tolerance for stupid things after I came home from Iraq. Thats why I'm not in law enforcement anymore. I think I made the correct choice.
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Post by: ipsd on November 04, 2008, 04:51:37 PM
Ok here comes some more GAS for the fire! LOL Cops are just like anyone else there are many different types. Nice ones, A$$hole ones, in between and indifferent ones. It all depends on YOU and THEM. Yes they are gonna give you the I'm the man and you are no one act. That is part of it. They walk up all BAD Ace like and that gets you attention. It also most likely tells them just what to expect from you on how you react to them! Now I can't say that I'm mr nice when I'm pulled over or have interactions but I try my hardest to STFU! Just like the last time they showed up at my house. It was 8pm on Friday night and they showed up! Why are they here is my first thought! Open the door to them asking if I am Bob such and such. I'm tell them no they ask to see my ID. I tell them nope they both know me and I used to live across the street for 5yrs until the place flooded. They are alright thank me and leave. That is that. Now I could have gone off seeing how this is the 2nd time the same officers have been to my house looking for that Bob guy. They even both come in to where I work all the time. Kinda feel harassed but I sit back and STFU! Why! because I don't want to be on there list so to speak. Once you draw there attention it seems like they tend to pick you apart. Now when the lights come on Pull over I do it. I've even pulled over into the median before he asked why told him if I had to get out didn't want to get hit. He said thinking of safety I like that. Got off with a warning. As for asking to see his Gun I take it you wanted to see the RADAR gun not his Gun gun. Yeah I've been told many times in MO you can ask to see the Radar gun and paper work. Never had the balls to ask to busy hoping that I don't get a ticket I guess. If you were asking to see his gun gun much like asking to see the Radar gun every time he see you now he will be pointing on of them at you I'm sure and seeing how he is a law man I bet he points the Radar Gun. Sometimes its just smartest to STFU and wait until you are out of the situation to make a decision. Yes I feel for you getting those tickets and yes that suck to have to fork over cash for such things. But such is how things are these days in this time we live in! So do your best to deal with the py cards you have right now. You gotta pitch the bad cards and work on building a good hand to bet on!
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 04, 2008, 04:57:07 PM
Quote from: Birdman;241621
And asking to see his gun? Are you ****ing nuts? That was a stupid move, I'm sorry. You should have kept your trap S H U T. So he may have been having a bad day, or maybe your actions pissed him off. Either way, the side of a busy ****ing road is not the place to debate. he's doing his job. If you have a problem with that, bring it up in court, where it belongs. FYI, cops get tired of people asking to see their gun. Its annoying, and its plain disrespectful if you are sitting there on the side of the road after you DID SOMETHING WRONG. let him do his job, and if you have a problem, take it up in court.
I have 10 years in Law Enforcement, and come from a long family of Police Officers. Every single one of them, including myself, would have been rubbed wrong by your actions. It just so happens that police are not the best choice of people to piss off.
theres an expected response from a cop, just like the guy that pulled him over... the world must bend over and let the police fack us up the ass when they are p1ssy... no questions asked, just do as we say when we say or I will make your life miserable... you have NO right to question my athority, Im the man not you.... YEAH OK!
WTF is disrespectful of asking for proof that you were actually doing that speed? if you (the cop) told the guy the truth then you have nothing to hide and would be happy to show him the gun to prove it... rubbed wrong by HIS actions? how bout the normal everyday people that have been "rubbed wrong" by crooked cops.... and everyday there seems to be more and more of them.... alot of asshole cops have no problem with upping the speed of the actual ticket to **** over someone that "rubs them wrong".
anytime I doubt the speed I get tagged with, I ask to see the gun... you HAVE the right to ask to see the radar, and the cop must show it to you if you do ask (at least in Canada), and if THEY get offended.... tough shiznit... part of the job...
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Post by: Sick88Tbird on November 04, 2008, 05:46:48 PM
I had a real b/s situation about 2 years ago...on a road with 2 lanes in each direction and no median....approaching a traffic light with NO LEFT TURN clearly marked everywhere...woman in the RIGHT lane jams on her brakes and cut me off so she can make a left at the light...only options were hitting her or stabbing the throttle and jumping in the right lane(another car at my rear bumper in right lane). So, I got into the right lane...went around her, and got back into the left lane to turn into my appartment complex a few hundred feet down the road. I pull in, shut 'er down and get out...sure enough, a motorcycle cop without his lights on pulls up behind me, draws his firearm!...and screams for me to get back in the car...as if I just committed murder...I was nice and polite the whole time...and that only seemed to piss him off more...after him questioning the legality of my emissions equipment, tire condition, and inspection sticker, I was getting ready to lose it...then he threatens to IMPOUND my car(in NJ, they can't just impound your car unless you have no insurance or DL)...I was reaching for the door handle, to get out, when the landlord came out and everything ended up fine....
Just some power-trippin' rookie looking to fill his quota at the end of the month.
All you can do is be as polite and accomodating as possible...the entire time...sometimes it'll work sometimes it won't.
Good luck to everybody on the roads, Don
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Post by: cougarcragar on November 04, 2008, 06:09:59 PM
I had something bizarre happen to me one evening about 10 years ago.
I was driving my black '86 Cougar GS, which had seen better days. The paint was an automotive atrocity, the rear main dripped on the exhaust and smoked (more on that later) and it sounded like a total dog. After an unsuccessful fishing trip with some friends, I was driving through a main artery downtown when I saw the "party lights" behind me. Pulling into an enclosed parking area, I left the engine running and rolled down the window. Mind you, I had done nothing wrong. The cop walked up (through a cloud of smoke from the oil leak) and asked me to shut off the engine and step out of the car. In less than one minute, three other cop cars, including a K-9 unit and a state trooper had pulled in and blocked the only exit. All good signs. As it turned out, some ass in a black Thunderbird had hit a pedestrian and left the scene. Based on the car's appearance, they were almost certain I was the perp, but they let me go because I had solid evidence that I had been fishing. I gave them permission to look at anything and everything, so it was pretty funny to see them going through my tackle box and examining my fishing lures. That was hilarious.
I don't know if they ever caught that dude, but I did see a black Fox Mustang pulled over after leaving my encounter.
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Post by: Blackout on November 04, 2008, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;241646
theres an expected response from a cop, just like the guy that pulled him over... the world must bend over and let the police fack us up the ass when they are p1ssy... no questions asked, just do as we say when we say or I will make your life miserable... you have NO right to question my athority, Im the man not you.... YEAH OK!
Ummm.. no that's not what I said at all. He also could have asked for his badge number, or requested that a supervisor be dispatched. I said nothing about that the officer was in the right. I said that there are ways of handling it that don't involve standing on a road. BRING IT UP AT COURT. And if someone gets mouthy with you don't you get irritated? Cops are human too...and look at the rise I got out of you with one paragraph on the internet.
[/QUOTE]WTF is disrespectful of asking for proof that you were actually doing that speed? if you (the cop) told the guy the truth then you have nothing to hide and would be happy to show him the gun to prove it... rubbed wrong by HIS actions? how bout the normal everyday people that have been "rubbed wrong" by crooked cops.... and everyday there seems to be more and more of them.... alot of asshole cops have no problem with upping the speed of the actual ticket to **** over someone that "rubs them wrong".[/QUOTE]
I may have been mistaken when he said "Gun" I assumed he was speaking about the officer's weapon. Re-reading now, I see that he may have been speaking about the actual Radar "Gun". Living in a College town, people ask to see your Weapon all the time. i though that mabey he was asking to see it for verification that the person was indeed an officer. If not, then I am sorry. Just an FYI, most modern radar/laser guns do not have a "capture" feature. Showing him the radar gun would not have proved a thing, since there was nothing to show. And I'm not about to sit there on the side of a busy road and have someone quiz me about how the gun works and how it was calibrated last. AGAIN, should be brought up in court if it is a big issue.
[/QUOTE]anytime I doubt the speed I get tagged with, I ask to see the gun... you HAVE the right to ask to see the radar, and the cop must show it to you if you do ask (at least in Canada), and if THEY get offended.... tough shiznit... part of the job...[/QUOTE]
Again, in the state of Wisconsin, the radar guns ECT do not have a "capture" feature. If there was, an officer could in theory just sit there with the last speeders speed on it, and write tickets all day. So what would this accomplish?
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Post by: 20thanniver-ls on November 04, 2008, 06:33:19 PM
ive heard there is a number you can call while you are in the process of getting pulled over, star - 77, it connects you right to dispatch and they tell the cop to let you find a safe place, but then again, who has time to do all that when a cop is on your a**
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: Blackout on November 04, 2008, 06:43:02 PM
Like I said, there are ways of handling it, and it *appears* that the OP did not handle it correctly. Now that's my "biased" side speaking, but I would like to hear from him. The *77 I've heard about before, but it wasn't here in Wisconsin.
Ever though that if he had pulled over right away *safely* that this would never have happened? I really don't see a problem with the way I suggested he should have done things.
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: V8Demon on November 04, 2008, 06:44:29 PM
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the world must bend over and let the police fack us up the ass when they are p1ssy... no questions asked, just do as we say when we say or I will make your life miserable..
How about:
Please follow my instructions because I don't know you from a ****ing hole in the wall and I'm not quite sure of your past of if you're carrying a concealed weapon that could possibly be used to harm/hurt/kill me during our little encounter here.
Politeness and cooperation can take the edge off the situation FWIW.
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WTF is disrespectful of asking for proof that you were actually doing that speed?
Lookup "independent speed estimation" No radar/Lidar device needed. Some guys become quite proficient at it. FWIW it's easier to testify on at traffic court than if a radar/Lidar device is used as far as the officer is concerned....Less things to be addressed.
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: jcassity on November 04, 2008, 07:59:06 PM
Perhaps we all over reacted to the "leme see your gun" part. Now that i think about it, its probably the radar gun he was talking about. Only a common idiot would ask to see the Gun GUN.
"independent speed estimation" Im starting to like this whole "verbal agreement" thing making the court process go quicker,,less things to cover. In the case of speed estimation, said officer has a verbal agreement with the speeding car as it goes by ,,saying...."your speeding".
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: Haystack on November 04, 2008, 10:29:11 PM
its not that big a deal. However, unless you peel out, I don't see why anyone would have any problem with you still driving.
My friends younger sister kept getting pulled over, but never got a written ticket/warning, and kept getting in trouble for showing up home late. So her mom said next time bring the cops.
She driven home everytime she gets pulled over since, and she gets pulled over alot.
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: oldraven on November 05, 2008, 06:21:56 AM
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Perhaps we all over reacted to the "leme see your gun" part. Now that i think about it, its probably the radar gun he was talking about. Only a common idiot would ask to see the Gun GUN.
"independent speed estimation" Im starting to like this whole "verbal agreement" thing making the court process go quicker,,less things to cover. In the case of speed estimation, said officer has a verbal agreement with the speeding car as it goes by ,,saying...."your speeding".
It's only an agreement if your speedo says the same thing. :hick:
Cop- "You're speeding."
Car- "No I'm not."
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ive heard there is a number you can call while you are in the process of getting pulled over, star - 77, it connects you right to dispatch and they tell the cop to let you find a safe place, but then again, who has time to do all that when a cop is on your a**
Not to mention that it's illegal to use a cell phone whilst you're driving in many places anyway.
Title: ...On the ground at gun point....
Post by: DVP on November 05, 2008, 10:44:56 AM
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Not to mention that it's illegal to use a cell phone whilst you're driving in many places anyway.