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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 02, 2008, 08:35:19 PM
Thanks to you and that video of your car idling......:flip:
I went out and bought this tonight....: :evilgrin: :D :burnout: thanks again. ;) LOL:D :rollin: (http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/88%20XR7%20Cougar/DSC05677.jpg) (http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/88%20XR7%20Cougar/DSC05676.jpg) (http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/88%20XR7%20Cougar/DSC05671.jpg)
Title: Carpimp your an A$$...... ;)
Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 02, 2008, 08:36:20 PM
screw the 13's, time to shoot for the 12's next season....
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Post by: fordguy545 on November 02, 2008, 08:52:56 PM
you just dont want your ass handed to ya by a 4 cyl, huh :) What trim is that?
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 02, 2008, 08:57:17 PM
lol, nope! or I at least wanna make the 4 banger work for the win anyways. LOL
it is the V1 SC
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Post by: fordguy545 on November 02, 2008, 09:06:03 PM
well, I'll just have to break out the truck again huh, rofl. Looks like you can make up to 680hp then, but I am doubting you will be much over 400 unless you upgrade your block right?
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 02, 2008, 09:27:34 PM
yeah I am only looking for around the 400 mark... dont plan to go higher then the 9 PSI pulley that is on it right now...with this kit I should be around the 320 at the wheels mark... I hope.. has 230 at the wheels right now...
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Post by: fordguy545 on November 02, 2008, 09:34:23 PM
, I'm like 360 right now, lol
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Post by: jcassity on November 02, 2008, 09:34:30 PM
what are you putting that on?,, how much was it>?
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 02, 2008, 09:41:38 PM
its going in my XR-7.... paid $1500 for it... came with a set of 42lb injectors and the full kit, including the stock 5-6psi pulley, and the 8-9psi one that is on it right now...
thinking of getting a 13-14psi pulley, and running a wastegate to keep the boost at 9psi...
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Post by: Carpimp1987 on November 02, 2008, 10:37:00 PM
I only PAID $925 came with the FMU and everything else i needed.
Thats why i am ass but you still got a good deal with the bigger injectors than i even have and the bigger pulley.
and all i added was the UPR 4" boost pipe a bigger K&N fliter and my mass air case was F***ed up so i got a 80mm C&L.
You should see the other 2 videos i can get to load up i got one the 1st test drive/racing a foxbody 5.0 full motor and had a few cars on him and a 2min idle video need to hook it up to a TV have someone else use their camera and then load it on the internet.
post up a video soon thanks
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Post by: kingcars on November 02, 2008, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: Carpimp1987;241386
I only paided $925 came with the FMU and everything else i needed.
PLEASE stop saying "paided." It's just PAID.
Anyways yeah...nice score on that Vortech. Needs before and after dyno numbers :evilgrin: .
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Post by: Carpimp1987 on November 02, 2008, 10:54:18 PM
Sorry but i can spell Vortech V-1 so i am good.
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Post by: kingcars on November 02, 2008, 11:03:38 PM
Quote from: Carpimp1987;241391
Sorry but i can spell Vortech V-1 so i am good.
Huh? I have no clue what point you're trying to make. What does that have to do with saying "paided?"
Oh, and WLDBRD...what happened to this?
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;239929
...I could go out tomorrow and throw a Vortech V1 SC on mine... Have a chance to but not the route I am going, since CJ I have noticed it is becoming WAY too common...
:D
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 02, 2008, 11:06:40 PM
yeah yeah I know.... but after hearing his idle in the video, I thought what the hell...
the plan was to twin turbo it, and I still might do that later on down the road.... I might install it next weekend... dunno yet.
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Post by: Carpimp1987 on November 02, 2008, 11:17:42 PM
My friend's got a 93 cobra with a 347 and a V-1 sounds pretty mean also maybe a can get a vid of it its kinda messed up but i could get a idle video maybe one of these days.
You did kinda scare me i was like what did i do except work all day but i at least got you thinking about Boost.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 03, 2008, 04:15:38 AM
Quote from: Carpimp1987;241399
You did kinda scare me i was like what did i do except work all day but i at least got you thinking about Boost.
LOL, yeah I saided :flame: that as a joke, ;):hick: no harm meant.... :D
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Post by: Carpimp1987 on November 03, 2008, 10:23:59 AM
Its cool man anything i can do to help. Twin turbo sounds good but at least with the vortech you will be kicking some @$$..
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Post by: dominator on November 05, 2008, 03:45:17 PM
RON,you finally joind the ranks of the blown,nice. Just remember with anything over 6psi you need to pull timing(boost retard)and with the 42s she's gonna be pig rich and use alot of fuel as you have no way to decrease the flow down low,that's what my anderson does,you'll also have hard hot start issues. Also you can't run a wastegate on an sc like on a turbo,it does not work properly. It must be pullied to whatever boost you want to run at redline. You'll need your maf hooked up as well,not sure if ya did that??? As well as the maf for 42s and someway to tell the proper a/f ratio as you don't want to be running lean on top(not that you should with 42s but...) Also you'll need a tc pcv valve to prevent boost going into the crankcase and you have to remove the small tube going from the tb to the valve cover as boost will enter the case there too. As for what to do with the vc vent,you cannot cap it,the way i did it was to run some tubing from the vc vent to a airline oil/water seperator then to the airbox or filter so that it stays a closed system. You need to run one step colder plugs as a start and see how she runs as well as upgrade your ignition or she will blow out the candles in the higher rpm. I think that about covers it,let me know if you got any questions.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 08, 2008, 09:20:52 AM
hahha I've been blown for years. ;) I just installed a BBK AFPR set it to 38psi for now... the stock one was at 43.5lbs.... running WAY rich......
I will be installing the MSD BTM (and a fersh motor) before I go wild with the boost... 6psi wil be fine for now I think.... MM&FF did a story awhile bask on running the wastegate, or blow off valve (cant remember which) on a centrifigal SC set up with a tiny pulley.. worked great, gave them almost instant full boost and kept it at a safe level... Yes I have the completed MAF set up... I wont be running the 42s thoug... WAY overkill for this set up.... and I have to change the plugs anyways as the manual says to NEVER run platinum plugs unless they are factory...
Thanks for the advice Chris... PM me your number and we will be intouch when I go to install it...
oh yeah... Claude..... Im gonna be ready for you at CJ this time.... ;) this year is the tie breaker.... :D
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Post by: V8Demon on November 08, 2008, 09:44:46 AM
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you can't run a wastegate on an sc like on a turbo,it does not work properly.
A couple of guys
HERE (http://"http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89653") will disagree with you as to whether it'll run properly or not.
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Post by: ipsd on November 08, 2008, 10:27:09 AM
IF you want all a turbo can give you why not just install a turbo, instead of half a turbo connected to a gear box ran by a belt?
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Post by: V8Demon on November 08, 2008, 11:57:19 AM
Every application is different. So are people's experinces with both turbos and blowers.
For every pro turbo article you can find a pro blower article.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;242162
A couple of guys
HERE (http://"http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89653") will disagree with you as to whether it'll run properly or not.
It'll run properly. Whether it's a good/practical idea or not is debatable. Good link though - that one fellow seemed to be doing it well, though I wasn't convinced he was telling all the details.
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Post by: Carpimp1987 on November 08, 2008, 05:27:29 PM
Boost is Boost the only thing better is Sometimes more Boost as long as you don't blow up anything.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 05:34:46 PM
:fart: :wtf: :roxor:
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Post by: dominator on November 09, 2008, 12:47:50 AM
That article said it could be done but was basically a waste of time as your creating more heat and losing more hp so in other words like i tried to say it can't be done properly.
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Post by: Carpimp1987 on November 09, 2008, 02:36:01 AM
Just put in on and don't even add nothing else but what you got unless its a have to thing. Add a UPR 4" boostpipe that thing is F***ing massive and get a new bigger K&N and put that thing on post up a video.
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Post by: V8Demon on November 09, 2008, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: dominator;242273
That article said it could be done but was basically a waste of time as your creating more heat and losing more hp so in other words like i tried to say it can't be done properly.
No, the guys who hadn't done it said that. I'll agree with you somewhat and say that there are downsides....Whether or not they outway the "positives"....
Post #18 has pics of the guy's setup from the first thread....Interestingly enough he has since sold that wastegate. I have no idea why or what he changed to (if anything).
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I did a story in Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords about using a Wastegate from a turbocharger. It was used to regulate boost as we pullied the blower up big time. Closed, the engine saw 18 psi of boost and open we dropped it down to 15 psi for pump gas use. It worked great, my only regret is NOT comparing 15 psi of wastegate regulated boost vs. straight up 15 psi of boost with pulleys. 'Till this day, I wish I would have compared the two. Maybe it will be nice to revisit in the future.
I have a good friend of mine who has a Paxton 2200 HO kit on his 2006 Mustang. Those who read the magazine might remember it from the Blower vs. Turbo story and the 12s or Bust article. Anyway, he just added a wastegate to his Paxton combo and it works awesome. The car has outstanding low-end boost with the typical top-end charge. He has it set to 15 psi of boost.
I have to warn you. The story has caused quite a bit of controversy on message boards. I even had blower reps tell me that it wouldn't work. The biggest argument I recieved was that the heat generated from the blower from spinning it so hard and the extra power it took to spin it, would cause a loss in power. the blower reps even told me that blower surge would kill off power potential. I am not saying I know more than those guys, I was going to write the story whether it worked or didn't work. In the situation I dealt with, the wastegate worked just fine and output was really nice. You can see the aggressive nature of the boost curve too, it was flatter than a normal centrifugal curve.
The guy who did the gate for the story does quite a bit of dyno work on both turbo and blowers. In his vast experience, that combo worked better than straight up 15 psi on similar combos. He has done quite a few similar combinations. The major benefit of the wastegate combo was so the customer just had to add race fuel to the tank and flip a switch at the track. That was it, the switch closed the wastegate and changed to a race fuel tune in the computer. My buddy's '06 Paxton car has it so he gets more low-end boost without risking over-boosting at higher rpm.
FWIW I'd put a BOV/by-pass valve on ANY centri-especially a Powerdyne. Set it for the amount of boost it'll make at RPM. I.E a 9 pound BOV/BPV for a 9 pound pulley/belt.
Why?
Where's all that air going when you let off the gas and slam the throttle closed?
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 09, 2008, 09:42:55 AM
Yes, but many/most people with centris do a bypass back to the inlet for when they let off the gas to protect the S/C, though I know you realize that that's a completely different situation than using a wastegate controller to blow off boost at a particular boost level so higher pulley ratios can be used.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 09, 2008, 03:27:02 PM
Quote from: Carpimp1987;242211
Boost is Boost the only thing better is Sometimes more Boost as long as you don't blow up anything.
um no... boost is just a measure of a restriction some place in the intake side of the motor.... more boost is NOT bettter.... at least not all the time anyways... less boost but the same power is better...:D
When I get a motor freshened up for spring I will up the boost to 9, and shoot for the 350rwhp range...
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Post by: ipsd on November 09, 2008, 04:02:48 PM
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1. um no... boost is just a measure of a restriction some place in the intake side of the motor.... 2. more boost is NOT bettter.... at least not all the time anyways... less boost but the same power is better...:D
When I get a motor freshened up for spring I will up the boost to 9, and shoot for the 350rwhp range...
1. That is all to funny. I thought Boost was the measurement of the amount of pressure inside the intake tract before the intake valve opened.
2. Maybe not in your eyes but I tend to look at it like this more boost=more air with that I add more fuel and that nets me more POWER!
And there is a difference in Boost between a Turbo and a Supercharger. I all comes down to witch one creates the boost/power level you desire with the least amount of power to run the unit. I tend to think the turbo uses less power than a supercharger. Do I have any proof or documentation no. We could argue for hours over who is right. Just remember this when I wanna raise/lower the boost I just need a allen key and 1/2" wrench. What all do you SC guys have to do unless you have the TUrbo waste gate setup. Oh yeah I could do that too! I also think of this how many apps do they put superchargers on in day to day work type application. I know I see way more turbo trucks and big rigs than I do ones with superchargers. If a big rig can go how many miles with a turbo setup why don't they use superchargers. I guess if it AINT BROKE THEY DON'T NEED TO FIX IT. And think about the kinda power the turbo setup on a big rig makes. All the tech that makes a turbo what it is today came from Big Rigs and racing. Half the info that makes a SC what it is came from the same turbo related info. Oh and without the turbo you guys would still be running a Roots type blower!
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Post by: V8Demon on November 09, 2008, 06:21:44 PM
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2. Maybe not in your eyes but I tend to look at it like this more boost=more air with that I add more fuel and that nets me more POWER!
You missed the point of what he was getting at.
If I take X blower and put in on a stock motor Y it may net 400 RWHP and show Z pounds of boost.
Now take Y motor, open up the intake and exhaust tracts....430 HP at Z-2 pounds of boost. To add to that in most cases the overall BFSC is reduced as well.
Also, not for nothing, but why so hostile towads "us SC guys" as you put it at the end of the post?
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Oh and without the turbo you guys would still be running a Roots type blower!
Roots blowers have their place....
FWIW I actually run a twin screw.....Go read up the difference between that and a roots then come talk to me on THAT subject!
Calm down....
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Post by: ipsd on November 09, 2008, 08:47:11 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;242347
You missed the point of what he was getting at.
1. If I take X blower and put in on a stock motor Y it may net 400 RWHP and show Z pounds of boost. Now take Y motor, open up the intake and exhaust tracts....430 HP at Z-2 pounds of boost. To add to that in most cases the overall BFSC is reduced as well.
2.Also, not for nothing, but why so hostile towads "us SC guys" as you put it at the end of the post?
3.Roots blowers have their place.... FWIW I actually run a twin screw.....Go read up the difference between that and a roots then come talk to me on THAT subject!
4.Calm down....
1. I think you are missing the point Y motor with the opened up intake and exhaust tracts. Yes it does more with less boost but if you open the tract so there is more volume in there and use less boost aren't you still getting more air in there than before you opened up the tract?I do believe so. If the boost level is the same as before the work wouldn't you still get more air in there? I do believe so. Once again more air more fuel more POWER!
2. Not hostile just adding more info that points that if you want what a turbo has get a turbo all these other did why not you. Is it because you just want a simple bolt? Or do you just wanna toss your dollars out in hopes to make a SC do what a turbo can do why not just step up and get a Turbo. I still tend to believe that the turbo make more power to power is uses than any SC. I do believe that you are adding the SC in hopes to make more power. Well that is awesome. But why is that I see all these stories of I used to have a SC and once I topped that out I went to a turbo and SON! Now this things makes XXXX more HP than before. Because the turbo can net you more power than your SC. I haven't seen to many where they took the turbo off installed a SC and now it makes so much more HP and such.
3. Yes Roots style blowers do have there place I never said they didn't. Once again pointing out that without the technology of the turbo your SC most likely wouldn't be here. And you have a twin screw does you wife/girlfriend know about them. LOL That is cool that you have it like that.
4. Calm why would I want to do that? If you really think I'm in some state of un calm sorry but that is just the way I am. I guess those years on the Debate team are still in there rolling around up stairs somewhere and sometimes they tend to surface and take over.
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Post by: V8Demon on November 09, 2008, 09:07:15 PM
Wow.... not hostile at all..... If you say so.....
The reason I didn't add more has just been proven....you won't listen....
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if you open the tract so there is more volume in there and use less boost aren't you still getting more air in there
Which is exactly what WLD BRD was getting at.
In your previous post you said this:
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Maybe not in your eyes but I tend to look at it like this more boost=more air with that I add more fuel
Fair enough, but an example was given by one person where it wasn't and based on what you typed, you dismissed that.
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Yes Roots style blowers do have there place I never said they didn't
You inferred it.
I'm done with this one....Not worth my time....
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Post by: ipsd on November 09, 2008, 10:01:15 PM
Quote: if you open the tract so there is more volume in there and use less boost aren't you still getting more air in there Which is exactly what WLD BRD was getting at.
Yes but you can only open the tact so much and like I typed/said before with more boost you still get more air in there. Yes sometimes you can open the tact and use less boost for more power but the fact is you can still make more power when you add more BOOST! Especially when you open the intake and exhaust tracts.
In your previous post you said this:
Quote: Maybe not in your eyes but I tend to look at it like this more boost=more air with that I add more fuel=more POWER. Fair enough, but an example was given by one person where it wasn't and based on what you typed, you dismissed that.
Yes I did dismiss that. Why you ask because its like this you increased the volume of the intake and now it takes more air to pressurize that same intake tract to X boost level as before the work so yes you have less boost and more air still but if you were to run the higher boost setting you would be cramming even more air in there and netting more power. So yes you can set it up so less boost will make more power but if you run more boost for the same setup more boost=more power and less boost=less power. Facts are facts and unless you are changing something other than boost level MORE BOOST WILL ALWAYS NET MORE POWER!
And to me it looks like you are the one getting all bent out of shape over this. I'm sitting here listening to tunes having a good ole time. Why are you so sore over what I've said do you wish you would have bought a turbo now? Oh yeah you are done with this and not comin back. Well I take it as you are so ticked off you are fed up with it.
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Post by: V8Demon on November 09, 2008, 10:12:10 PM
I'd love to know what you posted, but:
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This message is hidden because ipsd is on your ignore list.
I can only assume it's something along the lines of:
Turbos > all
Meh, whatever.
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Post by: ipsd on November 09, 2008, 10:15:13 PM
Once again who is the one that is pissed?
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 09, 2008, 10:21:37 PM
good Idea paul... what a tool.... time to add the first person to my ignore list....
and just to let you know ipsd... alot of big rigs had BOTH roots blowers AND a turbo... why? because a turbo sucks ass of the line, if not sized small enough, which restricts the top end power capabilities.... and yes I know all about the boost maps of all the styles of forced induction, and if I had enough cash, for the wieght of these cars, I would be going with twin turbos or a twin screw blower...
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Post by: Carpimp1987 on November 10, 2008, 02:41:01 AM
What more stuff do you need to buy before you can put on that V-1?
Also nice cougar to put it on so at least you get the nice car and good Vortech to put on it so its gonna be a nice car to maybe help get a few more people into the 80s cougars keep up the work because i am sure your planning up something.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 10, 2008, 04:13:19 AM
just waiting on a new oil line nozzle for the inlet, then I might put it on this weekend....
It funny I went to the bank last night and past an old guy walking down the street... I was just idling by hm and took off normal. well I get up to my spot and park, get out, and hear... "excuse me sir" while he is jogging up the sidewalk... "yes, sir" I reply " i was just down the road and noticed the exhaust tips when you drove by, and though your car sounds really nice. I thought man I gotta catch up to him and find out what he has done to it. this is an XR-7 Cougar right?" Said the man "Thanks" I reply "yes it is" "I have an XR-7 too, but mine is all stock and rust free underneath. It is a Palm Springs edition. I have it at my place in Florida. Its a '96 or '97, I cant remember which now... he says."
So we talked for a bit and He invited me to stop into his business and check out some pics of his car, so I am going to take hm a pic of the group from CJ and invite him to it this year.. He was really impressed with the car and the work done, and it made my day having an older guy in his 60's compliment me on the sound of it.... I told him to wait til I leave and I will crack it open for him... well he went on his way and when I left the bank I wound out first and cens a bit and got a big smile and wave from him when I went by him...
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Post by: 32VFoxBird on November 10, 2008, 01:37:42 PM
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and yes I know all about the boost maps of all the styles of forced induction, and if I had enough cash, for the wieght of these cars, I would be going with twin turbos or a twin screw blower...
dont you mean compressor maps? ive never heard of boost maps. :hick:
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 11, 2008, 06:11:26 PM
Quote from: 32VFoxBird;242468
dont you mean compressor maps? ive never heard of boost maps. :hick:
you know what I meant smart ass... been going on only 3-4 hours a day of sleep lately so my thoughts and typing has suffered, lol:hick:
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Post by: ipsd on November 11, 2008, 09:42:44 PM
Quote from: 32VFoxBird;242468
dont you mean compressor maps? ive never heard of boost maps. :hick:
Yeah that is like Boost is a measurement of restriction inside the intake. And not doing the math to make sure how much air that turbo coupe hood scoop can flow before you install it. Yeah it looks great but what about the function you said it would have. I think that is what they call poor planning or something like that.