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Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on October 21, 2008, 06:57:44 AM
I'll be taking the Sport to the dyno at the Vo-Tech on the 1st.I'll finally know what the old girl is putting to the ground.I'd like to see the numbers on paper instead of guessing.I'm betting around 250-260.I hope more,but I doubt it.They are opening the dyno from 8:00 am to 1:00 pm.I'm 5th on the list to run.It's $10.00 for 2 pulls.Not too bad.Not a test and tune,just on and off due to time limits and the number of people who want to dyno their cars.Some will be left out I'm sure.More news as it happens.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: DVP on October 21, 2008, 10:08:19 AM
What kind of dyno?
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on October 21, 2008, 05:53:01 PM
Built into the floor of the building.Huge roller,tie down straps,Giant fan,computer,etc..You know,dyno.LOL.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 01, 2008, 03:05:38 PM
Alright,the dyno results are in...The car made two pulls,the first pull was 166 hp. The clutch cable was way off,so,we let it out a ways,and still couldn't get the clutch to engage right after that,so,I pulled the thick floor mat down,and good to go.The second pull was 240 hp and 287 on the torque side.About right I suppose.I'm really not sure how to get any more power out of the Sport as she sits without adding new parts.....which isn't happening anytime soon,there's bodywork to tend to right now.Anyway,I'm happy enough with the Sport right now.Anyway,there's the follow up to the story.We're going to do another dyno day in March.Perhaps I can squeeze a little more out of the car by then.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 01, 2008, 03:37:09 PM
nice numbers...  scan and show us the power graphs.....  what rpms were the peaks at?
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Post by: ZondaC12 on November 01, 2008, 03:39:50 PM
Wow man you have 240 to the wheels. Wow. Jeez. I mean granted you have the cam too, but I think I'm definitely gonna push for getting some gt40s or something and a tmoss-ported lower for next year.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 01, 2008, 04:11:56 PM
The laptop that was hooked up to the dyno showed the rpms,but not on the printout.I got the car up to 5100 rpms before I let off.I will try more next time.With the flat tops and E cam,I was afraid to get to crazy (I bent a valve a while back....remember?LOL).It showed the air fuel mixture (tube up the butt.....not mine),and the mph.I'm not sure how to scan,and I don't have a scanner.Now,if someone wants to give me an address,and will mail it back,I can send to someone to scan for me.I don't have access to one (scanner).
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 01, 2008, 04:13:34 PM
I took the car out after testing on the way home and took it up to 6000 rpms safely,so next time,we'll see what happens.I need pistons with valve reliefs,then,no worries.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: Kitz Kat on November 01, 2008, 06:50:11 PM
Take a pic of the read out and post it.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 01, 2008, 06:53:06 PM
I didn't think of that.I'll give it a shot right now.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 01, 2008, 07:00:31 PM
O.K.,perhaps you can read this..............I'm wondering if that's all she has,or if there's more hiding in there somewhere.

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/Vinnietbird/000_0985.jpg)
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 01, 2008, 07:02:16 PM
On the "torque" part of it,that squiggly line above the torque line is the air fuel reading.It was great.Torque was pretty flat right across the graph.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 01, 2008, 07:27:22 PM
Nice numbers. 240 at the wheels is very respectable. And don't forget, I want that clutch cable :D
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 01, 2008, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;241194
Nice numbers. 240 at the wheels is very respectable. And don't forget, I want that clutch cable :D


I really was hoping for a little more power with the mods done,but,as I stated,I'm happy.I'm wondering if there's any more hidden power in there.As far as the cable,it's safely hanging in the garage.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on November 01, 2008, 08:04:51 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;241194
Nice numbers. 240 at the wheels is very respectable. And don't forget, I want that clutch cable :D

Yeah I'd love 240 at the crank!
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 01, 2008, 08:07:42 PM
With 240 at the wheels,I wonder what that breaks down to at the crank?Hmmmmmmmm.......................
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Post by: V8Demon on November 01, 2008, 08:40:16 PM
You should be around 280-285 @ flywheel FWIW

You have a 5 speed.  That means THIS (http://"http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/product_info.php?cPath=380_316_403_421&products_id=1432&osCsid=e799740318504a9b3614ad43ac294d63") will fit without modification.  If I had the extra cash, that's the setup I'd run.  Seeing as I just blew my wad on suspension/brake components, I'm done for a bit.

SAE Correction factor?  Dyno gear ratio?  Did he give you any of those #'s or a printout with them on it?

Also, what's going on before 34 MPH indicated on the bottom of the graph?  Where's the RPM's as well?

FWIW you're running 14:1 A/F for what looks like a good portion of time right around the fattest part of your torque curve.....Not quite dangerous, but a little bit on the lean side for an N/A motor..What pump & injectors are you with?
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 01, 2008, 09:32:09 PM
155 lph fule pump,19 lb injectors,and I think the FPR is set at 41 psi.As far as the printout,that's it.They'll be set up for everything next time.We took what we could get today.As far as the 34 mph thing,that may be shifting,I really can't say,though. I'd love to have those headers,but for that kind of money,I could get a LOT done on this car.My 306 for one thing.
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Post by: 5.8fastcat on November 01, 2008, 09:32:56 PM
Definatly need some fuel.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 01, 2008, 09:35:10 PM
I can turn up the pressure a little.Any suggestions as to what psi?
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: jcassity on November 02, 2008, 01:07:00 AM
set it to 45, you do need more fuel.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 02, 2008, 06:59:49 AM
I'll give it a shot.I need to get a gauge for the fuel rail.I borrowed my friend's off of his car to set mine.I'll have it done before the next dyno day in the early spring.As for now,gotta sand the car down for paint......after work.I hate having to work weekends.I'd get another job,but it's one of those situations where I've been there to long to quit (15 years),and not quite enough to retire (with my 5 years of military,I'm almost there).My military time and State time count together,thanks for that.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on November 02, 2008, 01:52:37 PM
just to let you know vinnie, I have the same setup as you.... (e303, flat tops, cobra intake) and I have bounced it off the rev limiter a few times with no damage...  {piston slapping a valve}  (I did it once or twice doing burnouts and when I missed second at the track...  that run third gear grenaded...  , and the dyno guy did it twice...)
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 02, 2008, 05:57:33 PM
What exhaust do you have?I did all I think I can do with what I have.Under drive pullies are a "maybe" for the car.I hear good and bad about them and really don't know if they're worth it.I have a great exhaust already.I have until next spring to get what I can out of the old girl.
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Post by: Bob on November 02, 2008, 06:12:30 PM
underdrive pulleys are a good mod. buy them used and save some money. On an AOD car I had problems with underdrive pulleys at a stop light in gear the rpms were under 500 and the alt had trouble keeping up, with the t-5 thats not an issue.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 02, 2008, 06:17:29 PM
I have the T-5,so,coooool.Thanks a lot Bob.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: blackcougar71 on November 16, 2008, 07:15:17 PM
i like my underdrive pulleys. also its a cheap horsepower that is worth it.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: blackcougar71 on November 16, 2008, 07:20:50 PM
hey vinnie the next time you go to a dyno day or the track i will come too so i can  get my cougar dynoed or ran at the track.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 16, 2008, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: blackcougar71;243337
hey vinnie the next time you go to a dyno day or the track i will come too so i can  get my cougar dynoed or ran at the track.


Awesome.I'll post when we're going next.Probably early spring.I hope to have 10 or 15 more horsepower by then.I will probably have the underdrives by then,and bump up the FPR.Who knows what can happen by then.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: vinnietbird on November 16, 2008, 09:32:57 PM
The most HP was a guy in a '01 (I believe) supercharged Mustang.Almost 550 hp...........nice.There was an SS Camaro that was 366 hp.
Title: Dyno Day ...The results are in....
Post by: daboss351 on November 17, 2008, 12:58:36 AM
not bad at all man!
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 17, 2008, 10:42:00 AM
Looking good. I made 227 RWHP with lightly ported (flowed 210 intake & 180 ex.) GT40 P-heads and ported stock lower intake & stock cam w/1.7's (decent exhaust). I gained nearly 1/2 second adding the Edelbrock Performer 5.0 intake to that setup. Your restriction is the heads. If you save up for AFR165's or Eddy's or TFS, you'll be up in the 270-290 RWHP range, so you know where your next expensive mod is at :D
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Post by: daboss351 on November 17, 2008, 10:56:18 AM
I wanna run gt40 heads, ported gt40 intake, and a decent cam(no alphbet) on my mark. But thats dreaming, got other issues first. Would be a decent ammount of power though.
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Post by: vinnietbird on November 17, 2008, 04:20:30 PM
I'd LOVE to have aluminum heads,but for now,I'm happy enough.I'll start saving for the heads after Christmas.I think it's AFR heads that will work with the flat tops.As for now,it really doesn't matter.Paint is coming up in about 2 or 3 weeks.THAT is all I'm about right now.
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Post by: V8Demon on November 17, 2008, 04:50:34 PM
Quote
I think it's AFR heads that will work with the flat tops



Neg.



Trick Flow TW's....That is if you're talking about a 2.02 valve head and flat tops.  Even those wont work with too much duration on a cam...
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 17, 2008, 04:55:34 PM
The 165's will and the 185's likely won't. This assumes your flat-tops have eyebrows - since you're running the E-Cam with E7 heads, I assume this to be the case.

The 165 is more than enough for your combo. I run them & they're great heads.

Actually, most forged flat-tops have larger eyebrows for larger valves - what pistons are you running?

Edit: OK, after searching it appears that you may have forged flat-tops with no valve reliefs. Never mind.
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Post by: Kitz Kat on November 17, 2008, 05:00:06 PM
They said a E-303 wouldn't work to.
But putting 165's on I wouldn't chance it.