WooHoo! I FINALLY got my cely running the way I knew it would! Back in January I decided I wanted more power than my old HP 6835 could muster. So...I ended up building my own computer. In total I have around $450 in it (after rebates). Here's the specs:
Thermaltake Xaser III case
ECS PM800 M2 1.0 mobo
o'ced Celeron 2.0Ghz (3.0 Ghz @ 600Mhz FSB, idle temp of 32 C)
768Mb pc3200 ram
60Gb Maxtor ATA 133 7200rpm Hard Drive
WinFast TV2000 XP Expert
AOpen 16x DVD-RW (Dual Layer)
Lite-on 52x CD-RW
9in1 media card read/writer
Windows XP Pro Corporate w/SP2
I love this celeron! For $50, it handles my video capturing and rendering quite well. This will tide me over until I pony up to a Celeron D or Pentium.
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Not bad, but you still couldn't pay me to build a system with an Intel chip.. especially a Celeron.
I used to run my 2.4 cely at 3.6 ghz,posted 3.7ghz but then crashed.
It was ok for general web surfing and stuff but if you played any games on it it would crash after a few mins of play.
Finally after years of overclocking i've decided the hell with it and i'm just running back at the reliable 2.4 ghz.
Now AMD is into making budget processors. What's the deal with these Sempr0n's? I'm assuming they follow the order of the Celeron.. a cheap alternative to the bigger, badder Athlon?
It's the new budget line to the Athlon 64's. Kinda like relationship of the duron to the athlon xp. Think of it like duron & sempr0n from amd = celeron from intel.
Heh.. I had one of the first Durons ever made.. think I still have it around here somewhere. They were decent chips. If the Sempr0n really is to the A64 (beyond the simplified explanation) what the Duron is/was to the AthlonXP, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
mine does that, and its not overclocked, so im wondering if its just a trend with celerons
No i don't think so,it works perfect when not overclocked,i can play doom3 or world of warcraft for hours without any hassles or slowdowns.
Don't believe the hype people tell you about celerons being ,for the price there awsome bang for the buck.
There are 2 different versions of the sempr0n, a socket A model, and the socket 754 model. I wanna say that Amd is close to ending Athlon XP production and using the Sempr0n as the only solution for socket A applications. i'd have to look around for the info again.
In my book, ALL Intel chips are .. and Celerons are just sitting at the top of the cesspool. Intel lost me when they decided to pour on the BS by trying to pan MHz off as the only valid measurement of a CPU's ability. Now, I am vindicated in that they are paying dearly for that and having to phase out the P4 in favor of CPUs that do things more AMD's way, (more work per clock cycle) like the Pentium M.
My last Intel CPU was a P166MMX I eventually pushed to 250 MHz. (2.5x100) thanks to the later "Super 7" boards with the 100 MHz bus speed meant for AMD CPUs that still used the old socket. Been using AMD CPUs since the K6-2, and won't go back.
I'm sorta sad to see Socket A go, but hey.. I remember the departure of Socket 3, 5, and 7.. Socket 8 for the Pentium Pro.. Slot A for the original Athlon.. Slot 1 for the P2/P3s I occasionally had to build for customers. Think there was even Slot 2 for the original Xeons. Sockets come and go. I'm used to it.
I'm using a few AthlonXPs here, (2200+, 2300+, 2000+ laptop) so I'm sure my next upgrade will be to kiss those goodbye and move to Socket 754, 939 or something. May wait to upgrade again until dual-core CPUs have been around for awhile and most of the kinks have been worked out. My XP 2200+ does everything I want it to do right now, so I'm in no hurry to upgrade. Buying my R9700 Pro before the 9800s came out was my last bleeding-edge buy, and probably will remain the last one.
BTW.. I think Shawn brought it up, but.. a "normal" chip can act like an overclocked chip.. IF you're not good about cleaning the machines. I suggest buying a dust can and cracking open the case.. take it outside and blow everything out of it with the compressed air. Heat is death to PCs, so make sure it doesn't have ten pounds of dust and pet hair in it every so often.
LOL.....I know, I know. You gotta believe me that Intel wasn't my preferred first build. I'm an AMD fan myself, but what can i say? The mobo/case (not the Thermaltake)/cd burner/
modem/keyboard/mouse/speakers/power supply were all in the barebones kit, and it was only 30 bucks after rebates. :deal: I simply couldn't pass it up. That being said, I knew I couldn't afford any of the DECENT offerings available from intel, so I just looked around for a cheap socket 478 chip to fill the hole until I could afford a REAL Intel CPU (read: HT). The 2.0 Ghz celeron seemed to be capable of mediocore performance, and for $50, it was my top choice (if only I had known about mobile celerons...!). :slap:
Joe
Oh, I forgot to mention:
I'm not a gamer. I'm actually pretty far from it (16mb of integrated graphics here folks, and if there was an 8mb setting, you can bet I'd be on it!). I use my computer for work and multimedia. The Celeron series is more than capable of holding its own outside of the 3D graphics and Gaming scene. The high processor spead and a fast SSE2 are things that AMD don't offer in this price range, and they are both critical components to a fast and reliable video capture, mpeg encoding, mp3 ripping machine like mine. The 600mhz bus will be put to good use when I record live TV directly to DVD. :cool:
If I wanted to play games or run lots of floating-point intensive progams, I would have definately went AMD or at least p4 HT. :2c:
Joe
celeron...pfft my pentium 400mhz is more stable then them pieces of shiznit
I'll put my 16sec celeron up against your 26sec PII 400mhz any day brother :giggle:
... it was a joke.. reffering to the computer in my closet.. my p42.6 will eat yours and shiznit it 3 times..."brother"
Erm, I think his statement was a joke as well.
Silly SIntel users.. heh.
Exactly,but you know there are some morons out there you don't know what a joke is.
And if you really want i'll overclock mine to 3.6ghz and eat your for lunch dipstick!
So 3.6 GHz on a P4 or a Celeron is like, what, 1.2 GHz on a decent chip? :D
Dam amd lovers :flame: :D
XP 2300+, XP 2200+, XP 2000+.. you betcha I love AMD chips. :D
somewhere around a 2.4GHz P4, 1.8GHz XP, or a 2GHz P3 (seen it done)/Duron in most applications
Anyone have some AMD benchmarks they like to share? Here's my P4 4GHZ up against 4 AMD chips.... Did someone say breakfast I am Hungry :flame:
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quit using sisoft sandra when it said my k6-2 was as fast as Pentium 2's...synthetic benchmarks don't mean a thing to me
Nice overclock :D I don't have anything against either side and would love to get a P4 up to a high speed, mainly because the chipsets are so much better. If it wasn't for the fact that I've seen AMD systems running at just under 4GHz (along with a couple P4's around 5GHz), I'd go with Intel for my next system but we'll have to see. I can probably hold out for another system until next winter
I hope
*looks at his badly aged/poor overclocking 1700+*
Yeah I don't know how true sandra is, It's a nice little program I would never buy it but for free its cool. Heat was a problem with my prescott, nothing a thermalright xp-90 h/s and 90mm fan couldn't fix. It runs around 39*c idle and 48*c load. The intel retail h/s and fan had me at 55*c idle and 69*C under load (little too hot :flame: )
The heat sink looks cool as hell.. heres a pic from newegg..
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yeah, I love Thermalright heatsinks (although never used one myself). Now I'm back to a barely over stock heatsink ever since my water pump started rattling annoyingly. With water, I was getting better temperatures under load than I was at idle on air
every time I'm encoding a video in virtualdub, I wish I had a P4 since they excel there compared to AMD's offerings...and I rarely game so that benefit for AMD is out the window
speaking of which, I gotta get caught up on world's wildest police videos. I WILL find that TC/5.0 chase
I remember that tc/5.0 chase... The cop keep saying "give up buddy I got a 5.0" HAHAHA....
Yeah, last I recall (I haven't benchmarked a system in probably close to two years now.. I stopped caring once I got this system built the way I wanted it) Sandra was about as credible on PC benchmarking as "i'm gay as hell" is on car stuff. :p Probably a good reason for the old saying, "Benchmarks lie and liars benchmark". Anyway, if you want a benchmark you can compare to other PC users, go to http://www.futuremark.com and get 3DMark05. With the ORB, you can publish your results online and compare it to the other guys.
As for whether or not it could eat my AMDs for breakfast.. it probably would, but I'd still never own one. P4s are an insult to my intelligence. My XP2200+/R9700 Pro/gig of PC2100/280 gigs of HD space does everything I want/need it to.. and AMD didn't need to BS me to get me to buy one. :D Saying your P4 is faster than my AthlonXP is like saying you have a Camaro that could beat my T-bird.. while in this case true, I'd still react like "ewww, you drive a Chevy?!". :D
I probably won't upgrade computers again for some time. There's just not much out there right now that requires more computing power than I have available. I lost the overclocking bug when I got sick of cutting half a dozen fan holes into my case just for a couple extra MHz, so I probably won't bother trying to overclock this. Probably just pick up a dual-core Athlon64/Opteron a couple years from now, or whatever else is available then, and continue the same "it's good enough" attitude for a few more years.
Although, that mini-ITX stuff is starting to appeal to me.. making completely custom cases that often look nothing like PCs.. making truly QUIET computers.. hmmm..
I know how that is. Back when I had my first decent computer (went from a 486 DX4-100 to a K6-300 - top of the line at the time) I stuck a huge...well unsure what dimensions, was larger than 120mm...fan on the thing blowing right over the processor. Was extremely loud and used it up through my K6-2 400 and dual Celeron 366's (both of which sucked at overclocking, one ran 468MHz stable but no higher and the other only liked 541MHz with an exception when it was winter and I'd keep the window open - 550MHz!), where I finally got tired of it all and my Duron/XP systems afterwards were a lot more mild
I was about to take a picture of what I consider the peak of my overclocking folly, but it seems my camera just ped out on me.
Although this isn't what the picture was for, my best overclock was putting a P166MMX on one of the newer Super-7 boards with 100 MHz bus speed, and getting 2.5x100 out of it for awhile. (gotta love the elusive 50% overclock, whatever ya get it on) Probably could've kept it going, but at that point I really had no need for a 250 MHz PC. I think by then I had a Duron/1000 as my main PC.
That also happened to be the last Intel CPU I owned. :D
yeah, its weird. Years ago I went back and looked at my older systems. No idea what my 286 was but my 386. 486, K6, K6-2, Duron, and XP have all been AMD. The Celerons (which were the best processor at the moment, more so than the P2) were my only Intel processors :crazy:
but , long live the BX chipset! Those things were just bulletproof, and with Softmenu (well Abit's ripoff of the tech) becoming the new thing, and unofficial support of the BX running at 100MHz fsb, it just kicked ass
You have the BX chipset for fond memories, I have this:
http://www.epox.com/USA/product.asp?ID=EP-MVP3G5
2 megs of cache on the board.. went really well with my K6-3/400. :D
Well, since my camera ped out, I'll just have to describe what I was going to picture.
My overclocking obsession peaked with a certain Socket A heat sink, the ThermalRight AX7, which was probably the third one I tried of the then-pretty-new heat sinks meant for 80mm fans. Got it for free in a screwed-up order. (I contacted the guy, he said keep it, since I was the only one who was ever honest enough to contact him about such a thing, a part in the order that wasn't ordered) Anyway, mated that heat sink to an adapter.. 80mm to 120mm.. and put a Mechatronics F1238 fan on it. (130-140 CFM 120mm)
Mind you, stuff like this was usually hung in cases with like 6 fans (my worst case ever had something like 10 of them) added on top of the PSU and HSF. Hell, even this hacked-up eMachines I'm using now has a 92mm fan cut into the side of it, to keep my 9700 Pro cool.
Hey, I had that Epox board...but I think the model that it replaced. Think the G5 had one more PCI slot. Great board and was extremely solid. I liked the ability to use either 66 or 100MHz memory in the thing, out of sync. Most boards didn't do that at the time. I had a great experience with it after dealing with an ALi chipset on my previous board that wouldn't run TNT cards. Used it with my K6-2 but could only get a 50MHz overclock no matter what I tried. Typical overclock range of most K6-2's of the time, later with some getting +100
My overclocking peaked with a couple Alpha heatsinks on my Celerons, although those processors still put out only like 20 watts of heat MAX. Its around the time everyone started researching new heatsink designs as it became more important for faster processors. Also watercooling started to take off, but everything had to be custom made. There was no market for water or "casemods". The good ole days ;) Now its impossible to find a good case without a bunch of lights, windows, holes, etc
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nm, it was the 1MB cache version before the 2MB came out a few months later. http://www.epox.com/USA/product.asp?id=EP-MVP3G2
K6-3s were just as stubborn, if not more so. I don't even think I could get 450 stable out of that 400.. but that extra on-chip L2 cache was nice.
There were AT and ATX versions of that board. MVP3E-M had 4 PCI/3 ISA (1 PCI/ISA shared) and was ATX. The other ATX versions all had 5 PCI (w/ PCI1 and PCI5 being on the same interrupt) and 2 ISA. (1 PCI/ISA shared) I think MVP3G-M had half a meg of cache, MVP3G2 had 1 meg of cache, and MVP3G5 had 2 megs of cache. I worked at a PC shop, at the time they were still new, where the boss had a thing for EPoX Super-7s.. and I learned to like using them quite a bit. We had very few complaints about any system we built around 'em w/ K6-2s.
All in all, it was a nice last-gasp for Socket 7.
i miss my old k6 processor. I clocked my newest computer(amd 1800) and that one clocked at 1600 or mhz. my old 233 clocked in at 433mhz. never had a single problem with that comptuer.