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Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: Innes on July 20, 2008, 09:27:18 AM
http://alcoholcanbeagas.com/

For any E85 or ethanol questions this sites pretty cool.
I work midnight things get boring so I Liston to coast to coast and this guy came on.

added below also on post #14

E85
started by 86 night cat on 4/5/07
http://foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=13269&highlight=E85

White Lightning
started by tireshredder on 2/27/07
http://foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=12685&highlight=E85
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: 88turbo on July 20, 2008, 11:58:35 AM
I know this has been discussed but has anyone tried to run E-85 in a stock car?  would this cause any damage? and are there any changes that would have to be made to be able to run both E-85 or regular?  been wanting to try to run E-85 but wasnt sure if it would hurt my car.
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: Clayton on July 20, 2008, 12:15:04 PM
i ran e85 in my 92 cavalier.

It ran very well. almost better that with premium. i filled up about 1 time a week and drove all over hell and half of georgia.
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: 20th anny 5.o on July 20, 2008, 12:33:06 PM
My brother used E-85 in his stock 4.0 99 Cherokee Classic didn't have any problems before he traded it in for the Focus. How ever my father had to replace his fuel lines injectors and a few other things when he tried it in his 2.0 05 Focus.
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: CougarSE on July 20, 2008, 04:54:03 PM
Cars that are not designed to run on E85 will run lean when you fill up on E85.

Case in point.  3.0 Vulcan uses 14lb injectors, 3.0 Vulcan FFV uses 25lb (yes 25lb) stainless body injectors.
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: Chuck W on July 20, 2008, 08:09:15 PM
Unless the car is set-up to run E85 or a Flex-Fuel vehicle, the car will run WAY lean on E85 vs gasoline. 
Yes, bad things will happen.
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: 20th anny 5.o on July 20, 2008, 09:04:51 PM
Oh i know and now so does my father around 600 dollars worth of damage done by that stuff because he did not check if the 2.0 was compatible.
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: Chuck W on July 20, 2008, 09:23:44 PM
The parts being compatible is only part of the problem.  E85 has a less efficient burn rate than gasoline.  An engine must burn more E85 for the same power output of a gasoline engine.  Std gasoline computers/injectors are calibrated to flow a specific amount of fuel at a specific rate.  This fuel requirement is not sufficient for E85. 

If you dump E 85 into a car set to run gasoline and make no other changes IT WILL RUN LEAN.  You should be able to figure out the consequences of that.
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: CougarSE on July 20, 2008, 11:56:14 PM
I believe E85 will net you only 70% of your conventional gas mileage.
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: Innes on July 22, 2008, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: CougarSE;228345
I believe E85 will net you only 70% of your conventional gas mileage.


Yes gasoline has more BTUs then alcohol but I believe by enriching the mixture and advancing the timing it will help though your still right there’s still a power loss due to the btu factor. The way of getting around it is more compression. I believe alcohols octane rating is 105.
Dose anyone know how the flex vehicles work or what the compression is exactly I know threw better scavenging and computers today it dose help.
I believe a lot of these question are in that link just haven’t had time and wanted to add our conversation
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: Innes on July 22, 2008, 02:11:40 PM
o'yea and
I remember when E85 first came out they said something about changing the fuel line too something about steal and corrosions did anyone here this
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: JeremyB on July 22, 2008, 02:43:23 PM
Quote from: Innes;228539
Yes gasoline has more BTUs then alcohol but I believe by enriching the mixture and advancing the timing it will help though your still right there’s still a power loss due to the btu factor.

From a previous E85 discussion.
http://foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showpost.php?p=138652&postcount=20
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: Innes on July 22, 2008, 05:24:17 PM
I remember the old E85 discussion though I wasn’t really interested in it at the time. Not to bring it up again just mentioning it for this new setup here.
But anyway from what you’re saying E85 is getting approx ¾ of gas mpg means that these flex vehicles are built for gas not alcohol.
Title: Alcohol can be a gas. com
Post by: Innes on July 22, 2008, 11:21:18 PM
adding these 2 links from the forum here

E85
started by 86 night cat on 4/5/07
http://foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=13269&highlight=E85

White Lightning
started by tireshredder on 2/27/07
http://foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=12685&highlight=E85