General => Lounge => Topic started by: TurboCoupe50 on July 11, 2008, 09:14:40 PM
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on July 11, 2008, 09:14:40 PM
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack. 1957 - Vice Prinl comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack. 2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school. 1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies. 2007 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students. 1957 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Prinl. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again. 2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt. 1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman. 2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster ca re and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused her and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.
Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school. 1957 - Mark shares aspirin with Prinl out on the smoking dock. 2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Pedro fails high school English. 1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college 2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, and blows up a red ant bed. 1957 - Ants die. 2007- BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated; Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and ses his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him. 1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing. 2007 - Mary is accused of being a shagual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: GrannysBird on July 11, 2008, 09:39:27 PM
You know that's just depressing after you get get done laughing about it.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Crusher on July 11, 2008, 09:58:19 PM
Thats so dam true... God why am I not in 57 lol Could get a real car back then too...
I had to post this at another forum Im on, to good lol. Poor Pedro LOL!
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: V8Demon on July 11, 2008, 10:10:06 PM
Looks like I was born in the wrong generation. I often tell my wife we were born 30 years too late because of our views on things (they are much more '57 than '07). It's truly sad to watch society go down the toilet and even though you vioce your anger and dismay over it, the only ears around are deaf ones....
Our own government -- on every level it seems has forgotten that the needs of the majority outweigh the needs of the few or the one. If you can help the few WITHOUT hindering the many then great! Problem is today everyone suffers to placate a select few and make it easier for them -- some who aren't even here legally and can not vote for those so willing to help them and screw those who voted for them.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: 20th anny 5.o on July 12, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
Ahhh Greenwood Elementary how you misdiagnosed my "ADD problem". ADD is a BS cop out for parents that don't want to control their kids, not to mention the F***ing embarrassing part of the day when they called us down one by one over the pa to get our happy pills. Too many parents are afraid to smack a kid when they are mis behaving these days.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Vantage08 on July 12, 2008, 10:07:12 AM
It's the baby boomers fault bc their the ones that are making the decesions. :) So anybody here in that category, kill your peers :) lol
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Kitz Kat on July 12, 2008, 04:01:55 PM
Quote from: Vantage08;227007
It's the baby boomers fault bc their the ones that are making the decesions. :) So anybody here in that category, kill your peers :) lol
Problem is were still the majority,You know middle class, Were not corprate,were god fearin people,That are payin the bills.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on July 12, 2008, 04:57:40 PM
Quote from: Vantage08;227007
It's the baby boomers fault bc their the ones that are making the decesions. :) So anybody here in that category, kill your peers :) lol
AHEM, I disagree... I surely don't agree with todays society, nor do most of the others I know my age...
BTW I was in the 2nd grade in 1957...
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 13, 2008, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: 20th anny 5.o;227000
Ahhh Greenwood Elementary how you misdiagnosed my "ADD problem". ADD is a BS cop out for parents that don't want to control their kids, not to mention the F***ing embarrassing part of the day when they called us down one by one over the pa to get our happy pills. Too many parents are afraid to smack a kid when they are mis behaving these days.
I was waiting for one of these responses, the second I saw the letters ADD.
Sorry to hear you were misdiagnosed, it happens far too much (more often than not, IMO). As someone who was properly diagnosed, years after the problems and signs started to show, I'll tell you you're talking out your F***ing ass. My nephew has properly diagnosed ADHD, and is medicated. I am not, though it makes life a daily struggle. My mother hated giving me pills, and it had a horrible effect on my emotions as a pre-teen. It wasn't a cop out, it was a last resort to get me through school. My father thought, just like you, that I was just lazy and the doctor was full of . He did eventually come to see that there really was something going on that made one of his four kids not so much behave, but interact in a completely different way.
Now it's up to my wife and kids to learn how ADD effects an adult during daily life. If they're really lucky, one of those kids may one day learn first hand (there's a very good chance).
If you're really bored, pm me and I'll try to explain better what living with ADD is really like. Let me just say that one reason I spend so much time online is instant access to new information, and talking to me in real life is nothing at all like reading what I post. I do well to get a whole thought out. Having the first half typed out allows me to finish that thought.
And I got spanked........ a lot! :hick:
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: jcassity on July 21, 2008, 12:08:52 AM
its a durg company game to make money on kids. Several years ago in Va Beach, the teacher could mandate your child be on a drug to calm them.
today, the new thing is giving pills to fat kids.
I say take the time to kick thier asses off the computer , make em do cs, and bust thier tails when they need a good whoopin. Plain and simple to me.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: CougarSE on July 21, 2008, 12:30:58 AM
Quote from: jcassity;228348
I say take the time to kick thier asses off the computer , make em do cs, and bust thier tails when they need a good whoopin. Plain and simple to me.
The girlfriend and I were talking earlier and both agreed our (more than likely) kids will grow up on a farm, don't know what we will be farming yet :hick: but we both grew up as farm children.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 21, 2008, 12:46:57 AM
Quote from: oldraven;227121
I was waiting for one of these responses, the second I saw the letters ADD.
Sorry to hear you were misdiagnosed, it happens far too much (more often than not, IMO). As someone who was properly diagnosed, years after the problems and signs started to show, I'll tell you you're talking out your F***ing ass. My nephew has properly diagnosed ADHD, and is medicated. I am not, though it makes life a daily struggle. My mother hated giving me pills, and it had a horrible effect on my emotions as a pre-teen. It wasn't a cop out, it was a last resort to get me through school. My father thought, just like you, that I was just lazy and the doctor was full of . He did eventually come to see that there really was something going on that made one of his four kids not so much behave, but interact in a completely different way.
Now it's up to my wife and kids to learn how ADD effects an adult during daily life. If they're really lucky, one of those kids may one day learn first hand (there's a very good chance).
If you're really bored, pm me and I'll try to explain better what living with ADD is really like. Let me just say that one reason I spend so much time online is instant access to new information, and talking to me in real life is nothing at all like reading what I post. I do well to get a whole thought out. Having the first half typed out allows me to finish that thought.
And I got spanked........ a lot! :hick:
I can relate to your situation even though I don't have ADD or ADHD. Thanks for posting something not promoting or piling on the hatred and bigotry. I've seen this before and I know the people who promote this very simplistic view of the world.
My dad has had ADD his entire life - it was difficult for him as in the wonderful 1940's and 1950's, he had to leave school with an 8th grade education as there was no help for people like him. He was abused and ridiculed, even though he's very smart - he just can't seem to focus - even today at 72 it drives me crazy as I can't keep him listening, though I try to be patient.
My oldest daugher has ADHD and it's infuriating to deal with as a parent. She has tremors (shaking hands) and one therapist said she had the worst ADHD she had ever seen in a girl (it's more prevalent in boys.) Cracking down on her as the nit-wits above have suggested didn't work at all - she went into convulsions and wept for hours & hours. She literally looked like how you might visualize someone having a nervous breakdown. This actually happened a lot when she wasn't able to adjust to a situation - it's painful to watch. We've been able to help her by working with her strengths and she did take Ritalin (by choice - she said it helped her, though we really didn't want her on it) for a few years which helped keep her in mainstream schools as they wanted to kick her out. She stopped taking Ritalin a few years ago (it was always her choice) and now as a teenager she's doing much better (so far), though still a social outcast - which is a shame as she is very pretty.
My dad also said the 50's were an awful time where people were jerks - he said it was an absolutely awful decade. I guess if you liked the bigotry and the way people acted like ass-holes, then it was a good time. If people don't like todays society here, you can always go live in a third-world country (like Saudi Arabia) where women can't drive or have jobs and people have their limbs cut off for stealing and gays are beaten to death.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 21, 2008, 08:01:28 AM
The Social outcast part is a real shame. I was the third of three boys (one little sister), and was the only one who wasn't practically famous in high-school. My oldest brother Jimmie was Prom King and the middle one was respected by everybody. Both were in bands in school and Troy was a DJ for a while. Very popular, as you'd imagine. I wasn't so lucky. But you can't blame kids for not being able to understand what's going on in the weird kid's head. The kid who gets excited about the strangest thing and then will try to run you all over the County if you dare start a conversation with them. I've lost enough friends over saying really strange things at odd times (often an insult that I don't even realise until later) that I don't even try making new ones anymore.
My life is a run-on sentence with a million topics. (this is why I derail threads so often without meaning to) ...... oh, .
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 21, 2008, 10:18:41 AM
Yeah, it's really odd with my oldest as she's extremely attractive. She wouldn't go to the dance at overnight camp since she knows it wouldn't be a good outcome. I know about the "odd" stuff - but it goes beyond the scope of this thread and there is no need to further feed the lions. My youngest daughter is 100% "normal" and the contrast between them is immediately apparent to anybody who stops by. My mother in law is old-fashioned/conservative and it's been interesting watching her view on the oldest change over the years. Now they tell me I'm too hard on her - lol - it's all a matter of where and how you apply pressure. I get results where they fail because I understand her and work with her strengths.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 21, 2008, 12:16:00 PM
Then you have the kid who you know there is something wrong but the doctors and other 'professionals' keep telling you he is fine, normal. But at age 4 he threatens to kill himself and you because you sent him to his room for a cooling off period. The kid who, since being an infant, has had anger problems and can change his personality like flipping a light switch on or off. You are the mother who is over reacting to everything because you are a single mom with two boys at home. You have no merit. Yet, you have already had to remove your child from the school because the teacher is not a nice person and treats your son like garbage because he can't sit there and catch onto everything she is saying. He needs extra help and she's not willing to give it to him.
At age 8, my son was finally diagnosed as being bipolar. I had to take him to Philly to the children's hospital there for diagnosis by the lead psychiatrist in childhood bipolar study.
Turns out, I wasn't just over reacting. Finally got my son onto the meds he needed and he was able to get the help in school he needed because as it turns out, he's slightly dyslexic too. He's now 15 and has been off of medications for 2 years and is doing well. But only because he finally got the help he needed so badly.
For the most part, a lot of the things listed in the beginning of this post are accurate. Today so many people over react to things, it's sickening. But then again, with the world we live in, it's hard to judge when there is a need to react or if a kid is just being a kid.
It's sad that a kid can't handle a gun without being accused of having something wrong with them. Kids can't have an argument anymore or try to resolve it themselves without authority getting involved and charges being brought. Kids can't be kids anymore because too many adults and other kids have ruined it for them.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: HAVI on July 21, 2008, 08:27:51 PM
Let me relate this story to scenario #1. I graduated in 1989....my grad picture was of me holding my shotgun. No problems there. I had on several occasions brought my shotgun to school cuz I was goin hunting after school. Again no big deal. That was 1989 (actually Fall of 1988)
fast forward to 2003, when my youngest step brother went to school with a 3" long pocket knife, got ratted out by some kid and had his book bag searched, and found the knife, and he got expelled. I ask, WTF?
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: *MAYHEM* on July 21, 2008, 09:44:44 PM
I have never gone anywhere without a pocket knife since I was 6 yrs old. But I was taught that a knife is a tool and taught its proper use and proper care. I installed HD service at the Governor's mansion last fall for the OSU Michigan game. The state police officer that allowed me in the gate searched me, found my knife, asked, "For work purposes?" I replied, "That's what I carry it for." The officer nodded handed it back and said, "Benchmade, good choice." And I walked right in.
Today, children are not toaught responsibility. They are not taught discipline. They become spoiled brats who believe that anything they do is ok. They grow up to run someone down in a crosswalk because they were too busy talking on the phone to see the light turned red. They will argue til the day they die that it was not their fault.
The meek HAVE inherited the earth and it's a shiznitty place to live now.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 21, 2008, 10:30:50 PM
The whole world sucks because kids can't bring guns and knives to grammar school.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 22, 2008, 06:44:19 AM
No, it sucks because they can't be innocent or just be kids anymore.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 22, 2008, 07:07:59 AM
One reason for that is you can't trust half the kids out there to do the right thing. If you've never been disciplined then you never think about the consequences of your actions. This is why children can't carry guns anymore. The majority of them aren't responsible enough to carry a fork.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 22, 2008, 02:42:48 PM
Interesting - what part of the country were kids allowed to bring knives & guns to school in the 50's? I know it was not allowed in the 60's where I grew up - just curious - I'm too lazy to research this.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 22, 2008, 02:48:14 PM
To school? I don't know. I'm talking about being able to trust kids to have something at all dangerous in their hands. I know I was cringing when I watched my nephew (8) and his friends run into the woods with their home-made alder & twine bows and arrows, yesterday. I gave them one hell of a speech about only pointing them at trees and rocks, or Crows, but never each other. Even if they're not going to shoot, accidents happen and kids really do lose eyes when an alder gets jammed in the socket.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 22, 2008, 02:55:51 PM
Yeah, I mean we used to play chicken (or whatever it's called when you throw jacknives between each others feet and you have to close your feet and move on) with our knives as a kid and I don't see why kids couldn't do that now. The 11 year old had fun shooting a rifle at camp so I might let her do some target practice at my house now with mine. I'm not sure where the issue is - heck I'm jealous that my kids get to do archery and rifle shooting and I wasn't able to 'cause we lived in the city :(
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 22, 2008, 02:59:20 PM
I think the reference to taking a gun to school was when you could go hunting before school, keep the gun in your truck/car and go hunting again after school. You also could carry a pocket knife to school without getting into trouble, unless you pulled it out to use it as a weapon.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 22, 2008, 05:36:54 PM
I walked to school. I'm chuckling as I imagine hanging my rifle over my shoulder while cutting through the Brigham & Womans hospital lobby on my way to school! :)
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar8775 on July 22, 2008, 05:44:21 PM
hell i grew up with guns in the house and was taught from a very early age to respect then and how to use them properly. now look at the kids today thinking they are toys. thats wrong. when did the gun go from using as a means for gathering your food for the winter to using it for fun and seen as a toy? im guessing the same time that this world went to shiznit.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 22, 2008, 05:51:33 PM
Glad I don't know any kids like that. The only time I remember someone treating a gun improperly was when the security gaurd who watched the parking lot behind my house was drunk one day (we used to drink together all the time) and he came over and fired his gun into the ground as a joke. It wasn't really funny though :( The guy had a small pen 15.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 22, 2008, 06:31:04 PM
I too grew up with guns in the house.... and they weren't locked up, nor did they have trigger locks.... they were in the corner of the room and on gun racks. The deterrent from touching them was knowing we'd get our asses kicked if we did anything improper with them! I started shooting when I was 5 years old... it was a 45, 6 shooter. It knocked me on my ass.....so I learned really fast not to mess with them. I have also taught my kids how to shoot and the rules on proper usage and handling of them. Cody was in trap at school a couple of years ago, and Hunter wants to join this year. Both are great shots (My father in law says they take after me.... I can out shoot Roger and he was in the ARMY lol). Keely will be learning as soon as she is big enough to hold a gun..... this summer might be it, my nephew has a tiny .22 with a short stock that might just fit her this year.
Oh and BTW, my kids also have a huge collection of knives and swords, and they know how to use them too. They also go out in the yard and spar with the swords......they call it practicing. :D
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 22, 2008, 07:18:22 PM
My dad had lots of guns and machetes that he brought back with him after he left the service. He got rid of the guns when we were kids as he was afraid that we would get our hands on them and there was little use for them in an inner city appartment where we lived. I did have my eye on a beautiful machete with a red leather sheath that he kept in our closet. Oh, how I wanted it. He got rid of it without telling me - I was secretly bummed. I still get a hard-on when I see a display full of knives at a show or shop. I like guns too - been trying to decide on a decent pistol for self-defense - the rifle just doesn't cut it.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 22, 2008, 08:32:20 PM
A 45 is a really nice one... but make sure you get training on how to handle it. Oh and be prepared for the big BOOM! lol (my son peed himself the first time he shot one)
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 22, 2008, 08:46:32 PM
I recently watched this presentation on how the Glock 23 works http://www.genitron.com/Glock23/IntGlock.html - I was impressed with some of the features of the Glock and was cosidering getting the 23 or 27.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: V8Demon on July 23, 2008, 07:16:35 AM
My work weapon is a Glock 19 (9mm).
My off-duty is a Glock 21(.45acp).
I have the 21 set up with less pull for the trigger and the double spring coupled with this makes it more accurate than my 19.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 23, 2008, 08:43:18 AM
OK, this thread just turned into a very scary place.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 23, 2008, 09:37:59 AM
I'm not familiar with the Glocks but that 23 looks sweet!!
I believe my nephew has the Glock 21, but since he's in Kuwait right now, I can't just call him and ask him. lol
I would ask for it for Christmas...but ya know...I live in NY and I'm not licensed yet. :( (Which is why I keep my 'Jenny" .22 at my father-in-law's house in PA. ) I do plan to get licensed for handgun, however, I just haven't done it yet. Mainly because I can't afford to get anything with any stopping power and the 'Jenny' isn't worth having for defense, just enough to piss someone off....that's why it's just for practicing with.
Raven, why is it a scary place now? lol
Guns aren't scary, however, the people who use them can be. It depends on their training and how they were raised to handle them. Most honest, law abiding people are responsible with their weapons. Many have had training, and many have been raised with them, so it comes natural to them. My father was a gun smith. I still have the 20 gage he gave me when I turned 12, and the stock isn't finished on it because he died before he could get it done. It will stay that way though because that's how he gave it to me. BTW, he also taught me how to load my own shells.... I had so much fun doing that!!
My 17 yr old has a .22 rifle and a 12 gage of his own. My 15 year old has a .22 of his own and wants to get a 20 gage as soon as he can.
To me, target practice is relaxing.... seriously.... I can sit and shoot all day. Problem is I run out of rounds before I get tired of shooting. :D
I started hunting when I was 12 years old, and just a few years ago I took my son out for his first time hunting. Both my boys love hunting... and I hope my daughter will love it too, she can go in 2 years! My biggest problem will be finding a rifle made small enough for her to handle, yet big enough to actually kill a deer! That kind of presents a funny picture, knowing she is less than 50 pounds right now and couldn't drag a deer through the woods if she did get one!
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 23, 2008, 09:52:24 AM
Rifles don't scare me. I too grew up firing guns out on the farm, and hunting with my Dad, though I never shot anything but a target.
However, hearing people talk about their handguns, as something to carry with them day to day, scares the shiznit out of me. One is made to take down a deer. A handgun was only made to do one thing.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 23, 2008, 09:53:27 AM
I used to bring my rifle to school through the entire month of November (deer season). It was always in the trunk of my car so I could leave school and be in the woods before dark, and just like Tom's original post, I often showed it to teachers who hunted themselves and wanted to see my iron.
I also used to walk through town with that gun on my way to Second Lake (a large wooded area teeming with deer, just outside of town). Sometimes I'd even get on the bus (Beaver Bank Transit, known as "The Bullet") with the gun, when I wanted to hunt in Beaver Bank. Naturally, in all cases (including trunk of the car) the gun was not loaded until I was actually in the woods. This wasn't some small hick-town of 300 people, either - Sackville (its name notwithstanding) had approximately 40,000 residents at the time (much higher now) and was a bedroom community (suburb) of Halifax.
This was 1989-ish, though, not 1957. That's how fast times have changed.
I couldn't imagine trying to get on a bus with a rifle in your hands or going to school with a rifle in your trunk in this day and age. You'd be tackled and arrested before you made it to the bus stop or school.
I find it odd that while youth interest in guns is increasing, their interest in using those guns for what youth are supposed to use guns for is dropping like a rock. There are very few deer hunters under the age of 25. When I was a kid practically every boy (and several girls) lived for November. I certainly wasn't the only student with a rifle in his trunk back then, and when the bell rang it was a mad dash to get to the best hunting spots first. On weekends there was a camper set up in every clearing, and the permanent camps such as mine were full to capacity. You'd have to go to your spot two or three hours in advance just to make sure you got there first. It's different now. No campers, plenty of empty camps, and your choice of hunting spots. You hardly hear a gunshot anymore, and the few hunters remaining are mostly in their 40's and older (I am the youngest at any of the camps on our road by a wide margin).
As for ADD/ADHD: I believe it is a legitimate condition. Indeed, I've been accused of having it, and it's likely true - I cannot sit through a movie without reading a book, I can't read a book without having the TV on, can't watch TV without having the laptop on, and I get bored very, very quickly. I can't even sit down to eat without having a book or newspaper with me. When I go to a fast food joint the first think I look for is a newspaper, or failing that, one of the local single-sheet circulars that all of the restaurants have. On the toilet? Gotta read, even if it's only the back of a shampoo bottle. In the tub (this old house has no shower)? Gotta read, and quite often I bring the MP3 player in as well (I've gone through more sets of headphones...). If I have something on my mind, a problem to solve or even just something to design, like a roof over my patio or a gusset on my utility trailer project's frame, I will lay awake all night thinking about it).
I also believe, however, that it is very often misdiagnosed. In a lot of cases a kid is labeled with ADD/ADHD simply because his parents can't be bothered making him behave. "Oh, it's not our fault Junior is an asshole, he's got ADHD so why bother trying to make him behave?" This is the case with my niece, who, bless her heart, is a little asshole. She absolutely refuses to behave herself, and the therapist my sister took her to immediately said "ADD!". The rest of the family knows why this kid misbehaves - her mother simply doesn't bother with her. My sister will talk on the phone for hours with her friends while the niece is ignored. Every weekend the niece is dumped off on my parents because my sister wants to go partying. We were actually talking about this at a family gathering at the cottage this past weekend- I can't remember the last weekend this girl spent with her mother. Naturally, her mother wasn't at the gathering. There was partying to be done elsewhere. And the niece spent the entire weekend sulking because the other nieces & nephews weren't treating her as the queen (See, she's also used to getting her own way, because her mother can't be bothered dealing with her). While they were in the pool, she was inside playing a game called "Bully" on her PS2.
So why don't I think this kid really has ADD? Because when you turn the TV on she is mesmerized, almost catatonic (she's 11, BTW). Put a pencil and paper in her hand and she'll draw for hours. When it comes to something she wants to do, she'll do it forever and not make a sound. If it's something she doesn't want to do (like homework) she won't do it because she wants to do something else fun.
That's not ADD. That's a normal kid completely lacking structure at home.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: EricCoolCats on July 23, 2008, 10:08:30 AM
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I couldn't imagine trying to get on a bus with a rifle in your hands or going to school with a rifle in your trunk in this day and age. You'd be tackled and arrested before you made it to the bus stop or school.
And rightly so. Thank Columbine and other school incidents, plus the relative ease for devious people to get weapons, for that. There is a reason that virtually every area around a school is designated as a weapons-free zone. That means NO GUNS ALLOWED. Not a very difficult concept to understand, especially for the students who, presumably, are there to learn and should therefore understand said concept. School has absolutely nothing to do with guns...now does it?
It is very difficult for me to sit back and watch this train wreck of a thread unfold from what should have been a meaningful discussion about ADD/ADHD to a gun issue. I have personal reasons for this which I will not discuss in public.
Get the frickin' thread back on topic.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 23, 2008, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: oldraven;228643
However, hearing people talk about their handguns, as something to carry with them day to day, scares the shiznit out of me. One is made to take down a deer. A handgun was only made to do one thing.
Actually, I know several people who use their handguns for hunting too. ;) Yes, a handgun is mostly used for killing people. However, you have to look at the people who are using them. Are they properly trained to use it and is it's use for self defense? Or, is is someone who intends to use it in a crime?
If it is someone who intends to use it in a crime, then I feel a lot safer having one to use as self defense. If it is someone who is properly trained and intends to use it as self defense, then you have nothing to worry about, unless you intend to commit a crime against them.
Carm, it sounds like your niece needs some structure.... since your sister isn't willing to do that, what are the chances of you spending some time with her? It sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders and maybe she can benefit from time spent with you. Have her help you work on the car or something. She might end up enjoying it, and you might too. I don't know what the age for hunting is in Canada, but maybe you could start teaching her some of that too..... you could end up being the one to save her from a life of irresponsibility.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 23, 2008, 11:20:50 AM
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And rightly so. Thank Columbine and other school incidents, plus the relative ease for devious people to get weapons, for that. There is a reason that virtually every area around a school is designated as a weapons-free zone. That means NO GUNS ALLOWED. Not a very difficult concept to understand, especially for the students who, presumably, are there to learn and should therefore understand said concept. School has absolutely nothing to do with guns...now does it?
It is very difficult for me to sit back and watch this train wreck of a thread unfold from what should have been a meaningful discussion about ADD/ADHD to a gun issue. I have personal reasons for this which I will not discuss in public.
Get the frickin' thread back on topic.
Good post Eric - there is a lot being glossed over here. Bemoaning the fact that kids can't bring guns to school isn't exactly something I'm worried about either. Where I grew up, only criminals would bring knives and guns to school if security wasn't enforced. I can't imagine anybody thinks we should be sending our kids off to grammar school with a gun. I'm sure your personal story would likely open a few eyes, though I don't blame you for not wanting to troll down that path.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 23, 2008, 11:42:51 AM
I for one was not trying to say it was ok for kids to bring guns to school. If that was the impression you got, then I am sorry, that was not what was intended.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 23, 2008, 03:00:42 PM
I was not saying that it should be OK to bring guns to school. What I was saying is that it was surprising that I got away with it when I was a kid.
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Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack. 1957 - Vice Prinl comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
That is almost exactly what happened at my school, except I was hunting deer, not quail, and I had a rifle, not a shotgun. I did indeed show the gun to a few teachers, who in turn showed me theirs, and we'd talk about hunting. My point (and I'm relatively sure, Tom's point with this thread, so my post was perfectly on topic) was that back when we were younger nobody would have ever dreamed that somebody would take a gun to school and actually use it there. It just didn't happen back then. Nobody would have even dreamed of taking a swing at a teacher, either. If you got in shiznit, you'd meekly be dragged to the prinl's office, where you'd receive your punishment, and you'd perform that punishment (detention, scrubbing graffiti off the bathroom walls, re-sodding the football field, etc) with no arguments. Your parents wouldn't sue the school to get you out of your punishment, and you wouldn't have even entertained the thought of punching a teacher, much less coming back the next day with a gun to "get even".
Believe me, Eric - my views on handguns and assault rifles are very likely 100% in line with yours. The fact that I own rifles and hunt deer notwithstanding, I have very liberal views when it comes to guns and their use. Probably that Canadian in me :canada:
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 23, 2008, 03:43:18 PM
Just for reference, this "the 50's were so great" thing has been around since the '70's when I was a teen. The dates are merely changed to make it look like it's a new concept. When I saw the post, I gave one of those "not this shiznit again" shrugs, then got into the discussion about ADHD as it's common for those who don't have to deal with it to assume it must not exist.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 23, 2008, 04:22:35 PM
I don't hunt. It's not something I would get any joy out of. I don't see anything wrong with hunting, though. It's an ancient art. I would like to get a better lens for the camera and go hunting with or without another 'hunter'. I'd just be the guy with a much quieter gun. ;)
[SIZE="1"]No tree stands or apple piles, please. :disappoin You may as well go to the grocery store if you're not going to hunt.[/SIZE]
See Eric, we're still on topic. If this thread doesn't display symptoms of ADD, my Dad was right and I really don't have it.:hick:
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: EricCoolCats on July 23, 2008, 04:56:08 PM
Sorry guys...I might have been a little strong there. But sheesh, don't feel that you have to placate me just because this thread touched a nerve on my end. Feel free to tell me to piss off at any time. ;)
I've never been able to concentrate unless it's a subject about which I'm strongly interested. When I have to meet with a client at work my mind goes everywhere but on topic. Not sure if that can be solved with medication...I've always felt that some of my synapses might not be firing correctly. Kind of like needing a 20-foot extension cord and having an 18-footer. You can s-t-r-e-t-c-h out the cord to make the connection...but it can unplug itself due to tension at any time. That's about the story of my brain. Fortunately I realized that I was this way at an early age and have always felt the need to explain that my mind just works differently from what seems to be the norm. In other words, my brain is kind of f'ed up. One of these days I'd love to get tested, just to see if my hunch is correct.
On the other hand...I have strange connections with time that I cannot explain. I get feelings and images from the past about places and things, mostly properties and homes from my family but sometimes in unknown places too. Also, my "sixth sense" kicks in sometimes when I know that something is right, even if everyone else doesn't know it, and about 90% of the time things turn out the way that I felt they would be. Don't know why I know things...but I just know. My dreams are ultra-realistic and sometimes have shown me things that eventually became real, years in advance. On top of that, linear thinking doesn't work (I think in spirals) and I see in colors. Maybe I'm psychic or something, I don't know. But it would be a shame if medication squelched that ability. Maybe I'm just better off staying f'ed up. :hick:
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 23, 2008, 05:30:54 PM
No need to medicate away the gifts you have been given :) I also seem to be cursed with the ability to see "images" from points on the time line that haven't occured yet. It sucks because they are always "loud" images - like the death of a loved one, a traumatic experience or a national calamity. I try to keep my mind busy so I don't have time to see stuff. I'm not sure if it's a curse or a blessing as there are advantages to being prepared for traumatic experiences.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 23, 2008, 06:03:36 PM
This Thread Is Awesome!
*edit*
So this begs the question, is there a reason so many of us who may and do have ADD own fox BirdCats? I know mine does random shiznit, all the time!
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 23, 2008, 06:21:08 PM
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Sorry guys...I might have been a little strong there. But sheesh, don't feel that you have to placate me just because this thread touched a nerve on my end. Feel free to tell me to piss off at any time.
Well, see, it's like this... you rarely get pissed off, so when it happens...I tend to take a step back! lol
BTW since you are psychic, can ya hand over some lottery numbers to me... cuz, ya know...I love ya man! :D
As for being add/adhd well, let's just say that I think women have the main handle on that. Our minds are always working, and we can go from one subject to the next in our thinking and tie it all together.
There's a book out called Men Are Like Waffles--Women Are Like Spaghetti . It explains how men think and how women think.
Men tend to think in little boxes and none of the things touch each other. women on the other hand, tend to think like spaghetti. We start to think of one thing, which makes us think of another thing and so on...it all intertwines like spaghetti noodles, all touching each other.
Talk about ADD! Do you realize how hard it is to stay on subject when your mind combines many things all together? lol
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: V8Demon on July 23, 2008, 06:43:49 PM
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then got into the discussion about ADHD as it's common for those who don't have to deal with it to assume it must not exist.
OK. I've kept MY mouth shut (fingers tied?) long enough.... Just because some of us do not have ADD/ADHD does not mean we do not know it exists.
My wife teaches children with special needs in Jamaica, Queens currently and has taught both special needs classes and mainstream classes before this too. I put her through college, helped when I could with papers and have had to take classes and attend training seminars for learning disabilities and emotional instabilities for my own career.
While many people who have this "disease/syndrome/epidemic/sickness/whatever word you wanna call it" slide through the cracks, just as many who do not have it use it as a tool.
It is unbelievable the amount of parents that manipulate the system into getting aid for their child ( in the form of a 1 to 1 aid, extra time on exams and in extreme cases a person whose job it is to write down the child’s work for them).
What's even worse is the amount of parents in denial. the words "Not my child" are damaging words to that child's future. The child suffers for years while earlier on the issue could have been dealt with in a proper manner and the child could have benefited greatly from a proper diagnosis that the parents recognized and accepted.
As far as being off topic...... This thing touches a hell of a lot of bases....
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However, hearing people talk about their handguns, as something to carry with them day to day, scares the shiznit out of me. One is made to take down a deer. A handgun was only made to do one thing.
3 actually. I assume the one you speak of is killing. In the wrong hands it will. You must also remember defend and deter.
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If people don't like todays society here, you can always go live in a third-world country
I've been all over and there are worse. Right now there are some that are on par with and dare I say it -- better.
Retirement outside of the US is not out of the realm of possibilities for me.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 23, 2008, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;228715
OK. I've kept MY mouth shut (fingers tied?) long enough.... Just because some of us do not have ADD/ADHD does not mean we do not know it exists.
That's an interestingly defensive way to not disagree with me as I said it was "common" for people to deny it's existence. I didn't say that all people who have doubts about some of the manipulators didn't believe that some people are indeed ADHD. OTOH, many people in my life express similar sentiments to the "beat the child 'till they conform" mentality expressed by even some in this post.
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My wife teaches children with special needs in Jamaica, Queens currently and has taught both special needs classes and mainstream classes before this too. I put her through college, helped when I could with papers and have had to take classes and attend training seminars for learning disabilities and emotional instabilities for my own career.
While many people who have this "disease/syndrome/epidemic/sickness/whatever word you wanna call it" slide through the cracks, just as many who do not have it use it as a tool.
It is unbelievable the amount of parents that manipulate the system into getting aid for their child ( in the form of a 1 to 1 aid, extra time on exams and in extreme cases a person whose job it is to write down the child’s work for them).
What's even worse is the amount of parents in denial. the words "Not my child" are damaging words to that child's future. The child suffers for years while earlier on the issue could have been dealt with in a proper manner and the child could have benefited greatly from a proper diagnosis that the parents recognized and accepted.
That's a good synopsis. I honor what your wife does as I also couldn't imagine how my aunt (who passed recently) could deal with the special needs children she taught day after day. These kids were profoundly handicapped and had little hope for any self-reliant future. Just thinking about the seeming futility of what these teachers nobly do day after day is admirable to me. I couldn't do it. Some people do take advantage of the system, and some parents can't deal with the fact that someone in their family may be less than "perfect" - my mother-in-law for instance. I think that all of these situations are normal and to be expected in any society where we expect all of our children to be perfect. We no longer have 4 - 8 children so families are not so likely to just write off a kid by saying "oh, (s)he is just the black sheep of the family". This was how you would have heard them describe my father in the 1950's. In fact, according to my father, the 50's were a time when people were uptight and generally conformists. Women knew their place. Blacks knew their place. Hispanics knew thier place. Gays knew their place. People were discouraged from "standing out". A conservatives paradise - white males ruled the roost and nobody questioned anything. I would say that it was a time where people wanted stability in their lives after the incredible upheaval of WWII. This "optimism" clearly could not last and hoping for such an unsustainable "burying of one's head in the sand" is to not believe in the greatness of the USA and our ability to remain great despite the shifting sands beneath our feet. You couldn't pay me enough to go back in time - I do not believe in the "grass is always greener" horse. We are here and now and we're only as good as we think we are. I tend to have a positive outlook - even after 7 years of having an impulsive reactionary in the White House that has indeed made other countries seem like a better alternative. It's not true. We will find greatness again in spite of the setbacks.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: V8Demon on July 23, 2008, 08:35:07 PM
Bush is a tool, no doubt.
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We will find greatness again in spite of the setbacks
It will be WELL after these next 2 candidates if at all. My view of this country started long before the Bush administration.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: *MAYHEM* on July 23, 2008, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;228694
Feel free to tell me to piss off at any time. ;)
Piss off! ;)
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: JeremyB on July 23, 2008, 09:51:31 PM
Quote from: Cougar5.0;228683
Just for reference, this "the 50's were so great" thing has been around since the '70's when I was a teen.
Didn't have to worry about giardiasis while hiking in the 50s. There's something to be said about that! :D
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 23, 2008, 09:57:03 PM
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Giardiasis — popularly known as beaver fever or backpacker's diarrhea
Did they mean to say "stoolsamplers diarrhea" ? :rollin:
OK, that was just wrong of me :evilgrin:
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: *MAYHEM* on July 23, 2008, 10:05:47 PM
Quote from: oldraven;228643
A handgun was only made to do one thing.
Pardon me for being blunt but this has to be one one THE most narrow-minded, ignorant, statements I have ever heard/read.
Same as ANY firearm, a handgun is made to fire a deadly projectile at high velocity. What you aim that firearm at and why is what defines its purpose.
Your statement got me thinking about what I have handguns for. I have a couple that I use for hunting and I have taken more deer with a handgun (5) than I have with any other weapon, (Crossbow-2, recurve bow-3, Compund bow-2, other firearms-0 )
I have also taken wild boar, elk, moose and javalina with handguns. My handguns have put a lot of good food on the table.
Number of times I have pointed a handgun at another human being: 0, ZERO, Nada, never. And I have no desire or intention to.
Number of round fired at paper, steel or wooden (bowling pin) targets: Lost count but it must be well over 100,000 by now.
I was awarded the Navy Pistol Expert medal and I am an NRA certified pistol instructor. I have taught dozens of women how to properly handle and fire handguns specifically for self defense and I feel I have probably saved a few of their lives for it.
Yes, handguns can and do kill people. That does not in itself make them a bad thing. Remember, cars kill people too.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 23, 2008, 10:19:34 PM
The only reason I want a handgun is so I can use it for what gunpowder weapons were invented in China for - to kill an invader.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: jcassity on July 24, 2008, 06:32:34 AM
Quote from: V8Demon;228726
Bush is a tool, no doubt.
It will be WELL after these next 2 candidates if at all. My view of this country started long before the Bush administration.
and agenda logic prevails even after your said candidates,,,,,,, Can you say "48 billion dollars to africa" for ,,,so called,,,,,,Aids research. This one topic leads me to believe that even my past impresion of our delaware senator has faults beyond my wildest dreams.
I sure hope your wrong though, I really need to feel there are patriots out there with honest hearts for the good of balanced capitalizm.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 24, 2008, 08:05:04 AM
Well, Mayhem, we've all got our views on that. What you see as narrow minded, I see as sensible. There will be no common ground on this topic, as history has proven. Best to just say where we stand and give up trying to change anyone's mind. When I said a handgun (which I've used before, and thought was cool, but still frightened me as far as its purpose) was only meant for one thing, I meant it. If you're using it for its initial purpose, you point a pistol at a human. Fact. That's what they were 'designed' for. Rifles were designed for combat and hunting, and the two types are easy to tell apart. My father does carry his revolver when he's logging in the woods or spraying the fields. The way the Coyotes are getting, and Bears at that, I don't blame him. But that's still not what the tool was meant to do. In fact, most of the posts here about handguns (all but yours) talked about using them to defend against people, not put food on the table. I wasn't out of line and I wasn't ignorant. Ignorant means you come to a conclusion without knowing anything on the topic.
And I didn't say I had a problem with handguns. What freaks me out is the fact that so many people are fine with carrying one around with them every day, just in case they might have to point it at someone some day. In my mind that's a recipe for disaster.
That's where I stand. You don't have to agree, man. I know many people don't. Besides, I don't think you're in the minority here. And I respect that you're a responsible firearm owner. Just don't expect that to change how I feel about people packing heat. :cheers:
I now leave the floor open for you to tear this post apart and make it look like I want to take away all your guns.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 24, 2008, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: jcassity;228792
and agenda logic prevails even after your said candidates,,,,,,, Can you say "48 billion dollars to africa" for ,,,so called,,,,,,Aids research.
Yeah, Bush supported money for Aids in Africa - do you have an issue with that ... and why?
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: jcassity on July 26, 2008, 01:31:03 AM
Quote from: Cougar5.0;228823
Yeah, Bush supported money for Aids in Africa - do you have an issue with that ... and why?
yes i do and you would to if you look into it and its outcome for whom. Its a dirty deed and a last minute ditch effort to line the drug companies pockets just in time for his exit.
dont start anything with me on this because im just bringing yet another ughly truth. I dont want any trouble and you would be surprised what you find out if you look into it.
It caught my attention the moment i heard the amount and looked up the historical trend. Now ask yourself why are we suddenly:
A- why are we suddenlywanting to give so much $ attention to this
and
B- who will gain
On the surface it sounds like a good deed.
Oldraven You are the type that would take away / limit all guns if you could and had the power to do so. Everything to me sounded fine from what you said until your close and then you lost me.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 26, 2008, 08:32:38 AM
Quote from: jcassity;229123
yes i do and you would to if you look into it and its outcome for whom. Its a dirty deed and a last minute ditch effort to line the drug companies pockets just in time for his exit.
dont start anything with me on this because im just bringing yet another ughly truth. I dont want any trouble and you would be surprised what you find out if you look into it.
It caught my attention the moment i heard the amount and looked up the historical trend. Now ask yourself why are we suddenly:
A- why are we suddenlywanting to give so much $ attention to this
and
B- who will gain
On the surface it sounds like a good deed.
No, I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear about waste and graft in any program that is involved with trying to help people in 3rd world countries. I've heard of much corruption in this program, though it doesn't surprse me and the program still does a lot of good. Of course the drug companies gain as drug coctails to help treat the 22 million people in Africa with aids are the main reason aid is needed. What I don't understand is why you single out this issue that Bush talked about like, what, 6 years ago? I've been shocked that he's actually interested in this and that he's actually doing something that doesn't involve murdering people directly. It doesn't surprise me at all that big pharma would stand to gain under the expansion of this program that has been in place for the past 5 years. But the so called media reports this as one of his greatest accomplishments. I would call it his only accomplishment. I am looking forward to your critique - I am interested why this of all issues is on your hit list.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: V8Demon on July 26, 2008, 10:07:37 AM
This train just went over a bridge that just gave out while the train was still on it :p
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: HAVI on July 26, 2008, 10:42:12 AM
And to think this all started from a post by Turbocoupe50 in his efforts to see something comedic about 1957 and 2007 and how times have changed, lol.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: jcassity on July 26, 2008, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Cougar5.0;229153
I am interested why this of all issues is on your hit list.
not many issues are first, many so wastful they collectivly take first place like the money spent on the "[COLOR="Red"]gay bomb[/COLOR]".
The aids project is worthy but in my house, if we are in troubled times, I cant be giving what little cash i have away. With all that money out of country, the price per head on research is going to be a "direct bill" sort of approach and this in itself is the problem. No caps, no limits, no boundaries, just a way to get a pile of money tossed off the brinks truck and allow the pharmas to have a hay day. Oh, btw,, this does not include drugs that can be perscribed without testing,,thus collecting the data of the end results.
And we wonder why the CDC isnt able to answer direct questions anymore.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Old_Paint on July 26, 2008, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: LittleAngel1198;228711
As for being add/adhd well, let's just say that I think women have the main handle on that. Our minds are always working, and we can go from one subject to the next in our thinking and tie it all together.
I nearly fell outta my chair when I read that, LMAO! I've never read it put better, nor more precisely. Women, especially younger ones, DO tend to tie everything together, whether or NOT everything is related or pertinent. It is amazing how some women can link what color socks a man wore last Wednesday to why their hair won't do what they want it do or why a kid threw a rock through a window when the neighbor's dog bit the postman.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: Cougar5.0 on July 26, 2008, 01:57:07 PM
Quote from: jcassity;229176
not many issues are first, many so wastful they collectivly take first place like the money spent on the "[COLOR="Red"]gay bomb[/COLOR]".
The aids project is worthy but in my house, if we are in troubled times, I cant be giving what little cash i have away. With all that money out of country, the price per head on research is going to be a "direct bill" sort of approach and this in itself is the problem. No caps, no limits, no boundaries, just a way to get a pile of money tossed off the brinks truck and allow the pharmas to have a hay day. Oh, btw,, this does not include drugs that can be perscribed without testing,,thus collecting the data of the end results.
And we wonder why the CDC isnt able to answer direct questions anymore.
Thanks for clarifying where you're coming from and where you get your "news." I was wondering after out of the blue in Carpimps thread you made some comments about "ubonics" (it's ebonics) that left me rolling my eyes. Your agenda here in steering this thread off the cliff is clear.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 27, 2008, 08:54:34 AM
Quote from: jcassity;229123
Oldraven You are the type that would take away / limit all guns if you could and had the power to do so. Everything to me sounded fine from what you said until your close and then you lost me.
I am? How nice for you to know what type of person I am and what I would do based on the fact that you don't know me from a hole in the ground.
Are you talking about this? "I now leave the floor open for you to tear this post apart and make it look like I want to take away all your guns." It was a joke, man. An obvious one, and you did exactly the thing I sarcastically said someone would. So you know, you're flat out wrong on that account.
Big surprise, JCassidy is being a holier than thou ass again. It might help you understand what people are saying if you read their posts through, at least attempting to understand their context, not the context you choose to see. Go back and read a few of them again, if you feel like it, and see how many times I say something to the effect of "and I have no problem with that". ..... seriously.
train-wreck is right. This is worse than talking to my wife during a certain week.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: cougarXLS on July 27, 2008, 12:22:38 PM
I wasn't alive in 1957... neither was my mom! Dad was only three. :D
But, none-the-less, I enjoyed TurboCoupe50's scenarios.
After reading through the pages, I am reminded of a story: **just give me a sec to find the link.... Grounded girl, 12, takes father to court (http://"http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23887815-663,00.html")... she actually won. That is the most beautiful example of how accurate TurboCoupe50's secnarios really are. And how bad things are really getting.
**Just a side thought. Also, I think we should all bear in mind that we aren't talking so much as writing. We don't all know eachother, we don't know all eachother's perspectives & beliefs... here's a little story; When I first posted my story about Cougar A (A Sad and Frusterating Story (http://"http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=20366")), the first two reactions I got where, "I'm glad you're not my son"... while this is perfectly acceptable, I had not even considered that reponse. I felt angry, but then I thought about it and then I actually felt kinda silly because nobody knows what life is like at my home, they only know what I type. But it's a good lesson to learn, as it seems to be going on in this thread too.... there's no reason to call anybody an ass, just enjoy/contribute to the discussion. Just my :2c: *LOL, feel free to tear this up. :rollin:
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: CougarSE on July 27, 2008, 12:26:26 PM
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 27, 2008, 05:13:45 PM
Yeah, calling someone an ass is getting out of hand. I just don't like being told what I think.
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 27, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
Well ya know, if someone is acting like an ass, theres nothing wrong with calling them on it! LOL
Hey Old Paint.... women do think like that.... it's the way we are programmed. Just like men always want to take chances and be 'wild' they are made that way. But, it's good to be that way, otherwise we would all be alike, and where's the fun in that?
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on July 27, 2008, 10:05:40 PM
***sets in corner enjoying the ruckus*** :D
At least it's made most of us think, but most of the examples are fairly correct(yes a couple stretch it even today)...Then there's the 12 year old girl deal in Canada, that sheds light on the direction things are going...
Wonder how things will be in another 50yr ??? Anyone care to venture a guess??? I won't be here to see, figure I'll be lucky to make half that...
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: oldraven on July 28, 2008, 07:09:56 AM
Actually, CougarXLS, you said you're glad you're not our son (either of us). ;) I just agreed.
And yes, there was no harm meant in those comments. I was just trying to understand how a mother could be so patient. Aware that I don't fully know the situation, all I can go on is what I read and see in pictures. A driveway like that would have me writing up a steel toed eviction notice. ;)
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: cougarXLS on July 28, 2008, 11:52:56 AM
Lol, I getcha oldraven... no harm and no problemo. I was just using that as an example.
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Anyone care to venture a guess???
Not really. I am still hoping for the best... :D
Title: 1957 vs 2007
Post by: ZondaC12 on July 28, 2008, 01:20:46 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;228715
3 actually. I assume the one you speak of is killing. In the wrong hands it will. You must also remember defend and deter.
Bingo. A car guy buddy of mine who I hang out with a lot at shows and stuff, was startled one night by noise next door. The neighbors had one of those tents for a car or something, and some kids were there slashing it with a knife, laughing as it collapsed. He saw this through the window, and went and grabbed his shotgun and his .40 pistol, the 40 in his pocket. He sneaked up behind these guys REALLY quietly, and, nice and hard, did the ol' "CHA-CHUNK". Instantly all hands were against the fence. Mind you, the shotgun was completely empty and hamrless. His wife came out about now and said "the police are on their way now". They begged and pleaded oh we'll pay for it and he said "nope thats not how this is gonna go down youre going downtown" :D
His intent was even if one of them grabbed it out of his hands he had the 40 there waiting....and they'd have a useless shotgun. Also if he could react quick enough he would have beaten whoever attacked him with it before they grabbed it.
He told me he was reading somewhere the two most recognizable sounds in the world are a train whistle, and pen 15ing a shotgun. As you said, defend and deter!!! The instant they heard that these idiots just turned to jello.