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Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: oldraven on July 03, 2008, 10:51:38 AM
How is it that Toyota dodges every missile, when it comes to the media? Domestic car companies take a hit, and make every headline, every time something remotely negative is even associated with their brands. A faulty cruise control switch could be in the news for weeks. Someone mentions GM's stock, and the next minute the media world erupts with talk of Bankruptcy.

So why, with such Carnivorous media covering the automotive world, can Toyota get through virtually anything completely unscathed? Extreme milage claims for their expensive hybrids, that somehow owners and road testers never seem to achieve on the street. Engine failures in both their trucks and hot selling Camry's. A producer of, at the moment, 6 different SUV's (Toyota alone), yet still a 'green' company. News that the production process of a Prius makes that car one of the most environmentally damaging to build (yet the F-150 was one of the cleanest vehicles on earth to produce, and Ford got no recognition for that).

Last week The National Labor Committee accused Toyota of being involved in Human Trafficking. Yes, essentially slave labour. They're shipping people in from China and Vietnam to work for half minimum wage. Their 'unions' are run by the company, and if you want a job for life you have to have a 'clean' company record. Clean meaning you haven't made any complaints to the union. "You can build our cars forever, so long as you never open your mouth about working conditions."

Who here has seen any of this in the news since the day it first hit? Anyone? Mosley gets whipped by a puppies call girl and you hear about it every day for months. GM destroys a car program that cost it a billion dollars and they're the spuppies of Beelzebub. But Toyota ships in slaves and the media world gets shy?

TO HELL WITH THAT!!!!!

I will never buy another Toyota product for as long as I live, and I will chastise every person I know who even thinks about it. So that'll be one person who's not afraid to talk some shiznit about Toyota in this world. Yeah, it's going to be a little lonely.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: LittleAngel1198 on July 03, 2008, 11:14:43 AM
Can you show us where you found all of this information?
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: oldraven on July 03, 2008, 11:28:31 AM
Sure. Sorry about that. I don't know why I didn't go get links.

This is the original piece from the NLC.
http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=562

Here are some blogs that were written when the news first hit. You'll notice most are from june 18th or 19th. Where did this news go? Why are we not hearing more?
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/18/toyota-gets-attacked-for-worker-rights-abuses/
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080618.016/toyota-accused-of-human-trafficking-and-sweatshop-abuses
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/06/18/090268.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080618/pl_usnw/toyota_linked_to_human_trafficking_and_sweatshop_abuses
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=127529
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 03, 2008, 11:59:34 AM
I've always laughed at how people chastise GM and Ford for building fuel pig SUV's and trucks, but Toyota has more truck/SUV models out there than anyone. In fact they touted themselves as "The SUV Company" for much of the 90's. Now, suddenly, they're the "Green" company, even though their most profitable vehicles are still big trucks and SUV's.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: EricCoolCats on July 03, 2008, 12:03:00 PM
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Where did this news go? Why are we not hearing more?

Because the U.S. government turns a blind eye to foreign investors. And the media, therefore, only hypes news when it's an American company involved. This Land of Opportunity is essentially a giant welcome mat for foreign companies to step all over us.

Plus, most of the time, the media has their heads up their collective backsides. The only source that I listen to: TMZ (http://www.tmz.com). Yes, it's decadent, but they have an unparalleled way of cutting right to the painful truth.

Actually, thanks to TMZ I've become more aware of the Hollywood poseurs and their hybrids over the past few years. If you want to know why Toyota is the "golden boy", look no further than the stars in Hollywood, er, Looneyland. I mean, when these "stars" pull up in a chauffeured Prius...WTF?! Do these people poop rainbows too? They suddenly forget that Toyota's trucks pollute as much as (or sometimes worse than) their domestic counterparts. But ooooohh noooooo, we cannot talk about that, only the Prius!

There are just a handful of these stars that are truly green. Ed Begley, Jr. has been doing the green lifestyle for decades. Leo DiCaprio is very green. OK, if these types drive a hybrid, fine...they've earned it, they live it every day, that's the kind of people that we need if we're to clean up this planet a bit. Everyone else? Sorry, you're fake, just like your s and your faces.

Unfortunately these stars have way too much influence on dumb people. That is probably why the Prius has garnered so much "good" publicity.

As for me, I have always been proud that our cars were built in my home state of Ohio. As such, I wouldn't consider another vehicle if it weren't made in my home country, but preferably in my home state (the Mountaineer was built in Kentucky...okay, that borders Ohio, close enough). :) Now we do have a Honda plant and a Nissan plant in this state, and that's fine, but just not for me. The profits still go back to Maza puppiesan. Since the U.S. government is pretty adamant about not helping the domestic automakers in any way, shape or form, then I'd rather my money go to the home guys. I always believe there is need for competition in this country and I support that concept. And right now a lot of consumers are too. But that's just not for me. I'd rather buy a locally-made Cobalt or G5.

Not that I would. I'm just sayin'...
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: GREYSHADOW on July 03, 2008, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;225732
Because the U.S. government turns a blind eye to foreign investors. And the media, therefore, only hypes news when it's an American company involved. This Land of Opportunity is essentially a giant welcome mat for foreign companies to step all over us.

Plus, most of the time, the media has their heads up their collective backsides. The only source that I listen to: TMZ (http://www.tmz.com). Yes, it's decadent, but they have an unparalleled way of cutting right to the painful truth.

Actually, thanks to TMZ I've become more aware of the Hollywood poseurs and their hybrids over the past few years. If you want to know why Toyota is the "golden boy", look no further than the stars in Hollywood, er, Looneyland. I mean, when these "stars" pull up in a chauffeured Prius...WTF?! Do these people poop rainbows too? They suddenly forget that Toyota's trucks pollute as much as (or sometimes worse than) their domestic counterparts. But ooooohh noooooo, we cannot talk about that, only the Prius!

There are just a handful of these stars that are truly green. Ed Begley, Jr. has been doing the green lifestyle for decades. Leo DiCaprio is very green. OK, if these types drive a hybrid, fine...they've earned it, they live it every day, that's the kind of people that we need if we're to clean up this planet a bit. Everyone else? Sorry, you're fake, just like your s and your faces.

Unfortunately these stars have way too much influence on dumb people. That is probably why the Prius has garnered so much "good" publicity.

As for me, I have always been proud that our cars were built in my home state of Ohio. As such, I wouldn't consider another vehicle if it weren't made in my home country, but preferably in my home state (the Mountaineer was built in Kentucky...okay, that borders Ohio, close enough). :) Now we do have a Honda plant and a Nissan plant in this state, and that's fine, but just not for me. The profits still go back to Maza puppiesan. Since the U.S. government is pretty adamant about not helping the domestic automakers in any way, shape or form, then I'd rather my money go to the home guys. I always believe there is need for competition in this country and I support that concept. And right now a lot of consumers are too. But that's just not for me. I'd rather buy a locally-made Cobalt or G5.

Not that I would. I'm just sayin'...



Bravo!!!!!!!!!:bowdown:
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Carpimp1987 on July 03, 2008, 02:19:54 PM
I hate how toyota has the TV ad for the camary and right after it you see the ad for the Ford Focus and they both get 35mpg and all toyota talks about is gas mileage and the ford ad they say there product is made as well or better than toyota. If this is the case why must we have some many imports that match our standards if your going to bring something to the US or even Build it here at least make it a better car.

Last of all ask every person in the US why they have a Toyota and 9 times out of 10 they say Gas Mileage they don't say much about anything else and i think its sad to own a car for 1 reason and its also wosre when your giving more money to other places in the globe for selling you the same  FORD or GM can make anyday of the week.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: oldraven on July 03, 2008, 03:05:26 PM
Actually, most people driving a Toyota will tell you they bought it for the 'quality' and 'reliability'. Apparently GM and Ford are still building Pinto's and Cimarron's. :punchballs:
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Carpimp1987 on July 03, 2008, 04:15:24 PM
Sorry but everyone i ask says Gas mileage 1st then they may say that other stuff later on.

My favorite time i watched Nascar was when the only cars breaking the 1st few laps of the race where the Toyotas because there where 3 or 4 of them messed up by lap 20 or so.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 03, 2008, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: oldraven;225764
Actually, most people driving a Toyota will tell you they bought it for the 'quality' and 'reliability'. Apparently GM and Ford are still building Pinto's and Cimarron's. :punchballs:

I dunno about Ford and GM, but Chrysler is still building Volares. My father's '05 Dakota and the '08 Town & Country we went to a dog show two weeks ago in both had cheap, hard plastic interiors...

Quote from: Carpimp1987;225771
Sorry but everyone i ask says Gas mileage 1st then they may say that other stuff later on.

My favorite time i watched Nascar was when the only cars breaking the 1st few laps of the race where the Toyotas because there where 3 or 4 of them messed up by lap 20 or so.

...Because we all know Nascar cars (I won't even call them "stock cars") are just like the cars manufacturers put on the streets...
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: FLSTCI71 on July 03, 2008, 05:14:19 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;225732
The profits still go back to Mazda puppiesan.

Ding, ding, ding. That's what I keep telling people. Some of the foreign cars may be built here, but the corporate profits still go back to puppiesan. When you buy a foreign car, you are supporting foreign companies. When you buy an American car, you are supporting American companies and American workers. If the quality of foreign cars was head and shoulders above the American cars, that would be one thing, but it's not. I guess I'll just keep driving my Fords until Ford is bought out by a foreign company. Then I'll have to switch to Harleys....
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Beau on July 04, 2008, 01:56:45 AM
Quote from: Carpimp1987;225771
Nascar was when the only cars breaking the 1st few laps of the race where the Toyotas because there where 3 or 4 of them messed up by lap 20 or so.

Let's see...that's about dumbassed.
The only thing that any sprint cup, nextel, or whatever it's called today has in common with a brand new, showroom car is the fact that it's made to resemble said showroom car, (maker specific).

And the only difference between the race cars proper is the engine and the stickers on the car itself.
When Joe Gibbs went from GM to 'Yotas, do you think they built all new chassis? Hell no, the stuck the Toy motors in and rehung new bodies!

Saying that toyota (or ford, dodge, gm blah blah) suck because "3 or 4 of 'em messed up on lap 20" is like saying woohoo! bandwagon riding is cool man!

there's plenty of reasons to buy or not buy.

slave labor...? so what..
remember the rumor that Ford was secretly pro-puppies during the early part of WW2?

but...we all have Tbirds?
big whoop.
I won't buy a toy because I,
A: can't afford, and B: rather buy a new ford truck if i had the money..

:flip:

Now seriously..if toyo is using slave labor, shouldn't they secede from the UAW and start a losing war? lol

dont mind me, i'm just bein a smartass
oh, Happy 4th everyone, let's go shoot bottlerockets at all the imports now!
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: turbo88 on July 04, 2008, 02:31:06 AM
Quote from: oldraven;225716
How is it that Toyota dodges every missile, when it comes to the media? Domestic car companies take a hit, and make every headline, every time something remotely negative is even associated with their brands. A faulty cruise control switch could be in the news for weeks. Someone mentions GM's stock, and the next minute the media world erupts with talk of Bankruptcy.

So why, with such Carnivorous media covering the automotive world, can Toyota get through virtually anything completely unscathed? Extreme milage claims for their expensive hybrids, that somehow owners and road testers never seem to achieve on the street. Engine failures in both their trucks and hot selling Camry's. A producer of, at the moment, 6 different SUV's (Toyota alone), yet still a 'green' company. News that the production process of a Prius makes that car one of the most environmentally damaging to build (yet the F-150 was one of the cleanest vehicles on earth to produce, and Ford got no recognition for that).

Last week The National Labor Committee accused Toyota of being involved in Human Trafficking. Yes, essentially slave labor. They're shipping people in from China and Vietnam to work for half minimum wage. Their 'unions' are run by the company, and if you want a job for life you have to have a 'clean' company record. Clean meaning you haven't made any complaints to the union. "You can build our cars forever, so long as you never open your mouth about working conditions."

Who here has seen any of this in the news since the day it first hit? Anyone? Mosley gets whipped by a puppies call girl and you hear about it every day for months. GM destroys a car program that cost it a billion dollars and they're the spuppies of Beelzebub. But Toyota ships in slaves and the media world gets shy?

TO HELL WITH THAT!!!!!

I will never buy another Toyota product for as long as I live, and I will chastise every person I know who even thinks about it. So that'll be one person who's not afraid to talk some shiznit about Toyota in this world. Yeah, it's going to be a little lonely.

Finally someone sees the same way I do.
The mainstream media cherry picks the information it wants to reveal  to the public, It's the same way with Global warming, The war on Iraq and plenty of other . Fact is I am actually starting to get pissed off with the media, especially in the car realm.

Toyota profits more per car than any other domestic car manufacturer or any of its puppiesaneses counterparts. There cars are cheap and for years problems/recalls have been hidden under the table at Toyota. I have heard of customers taking in their Toyota Camry's for an oil change and having parts replaced on the car without even notifying the customer of the problem/recall all to maintain there word class "reliability".

I for one won't be buying a Toyota. Ever. Next time your driving behind a new Camry take a look at the dangling exhaust hanging underneath. Now thats word class engineering.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: CougarSE on July 04, 2008, 10:37:01 AM
Toyota frame rot buy back anyone?
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 04, 2008, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: CougarSE;225860
Toyota frame rot buy back anyone?

At least they bought them back... Ford would've said "tough shiznit, go buy another Ford", then been keelhauled to court and dragged through the media slime before settling on some class-action stupidity that essentially backed up their original position ("Tough shiznit, go buy another Ford... and oh, here's a coupon for $500 off").

Seriously. While I do agree that Toyota gets away with a lot, Ford seems to bring on a lot of its own problems by abandoning their customers as soon as they take delivery of the vehicle...
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: 20th anny 5.o on July 04, 2008, 06:05:36 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;225868
At least they bought them back... Ford would've said "tough shiznit, go buy another Ford", then been keelhauled to court and dragged through the media slime before settling on some class-action stupidity that essentially backed up their original position ("Tough shiznit, go buy another Ford... and oh, here's a coupon for $500 off").

Seriously. While I do agree that Toyota gets away with a lot, Ford seems to bring on a lot of its own problems by abandoning their customers as soon as they take delivery of the vehicle...


Lets not even bring up Chrysler's problems that they don't bother fixing then.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 04, 2008, 11:31:27 PM
Oh, it isn't just Ford, not by a long shot. GM and Chrysler both have their share of embarrassments. Hell, so do Honda (oil burning engines, failing auto transmissions) and even Toyota (sludging engines, blowing head gaskets, etc), and just about all puppiesanese manufacturers (RUST). It's just that on the particular Toyota flaw that Claude brought up, Toyota actually did the right thing.

And that's probably a start to an explanation as to why Toyota slides under the radar when they DO fvck up. They actually believe in damage control - the cost of doing the right thing is less than the cost of the negative publicity for not doing the right thing (which is a double edged sword - not only does a company get bad publicity for not caring about its customers, but a given problem is publicised, tarnishing the company's quality reputation as well - potential customers read it as "The product sucks and the company doesn't care"). Given Ford's history of fighting and denying design flaw complaints (peeling paint, ignition switch fires, 3.8 head gaskets, 4.6 intake manifolds, etc) I'd say it's a safe bet that if it were Rangers with rotting frames, Ranger owners would be SOL without a court battle and media circus.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: silvercv2002 on July 05, 2008, 07:00:03 PM
Thanks for buying Fords or at least American cars.  My family appreciates it.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: thetommyboy2k on November 28, 2014, 10:21:19 AM
Please forgive me for resurrecting a six year old thread, but I haven't been on this forum long and I'm going back through a ton of posts.  I enjoy reading them!

I had to comment on this.  For years, my parents were Ford people... specifically, Mercury people.  They had Mercury's in the 50s, and especially in the 60s.  Their last Mercury before a decade and a half hiatus, was a '68 Marquis, which they traded in on a '72 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe.  They kept the Galaxie for 24 years, in which it was used as a work car for the last 10 years of its life.  They returned to Mercury when they bought an '83 Cougar new.  (I think GS, even though it had a half vinyl top... I may be wrong on it being a GS though).  They kept the Cougar until they traded it in for their last car, an '89 Grand Marquis GS, which we gave to a neighbor a few months ago after having it 24 years. 

For a while, I stayed in the Ford family with a 2008 Ford Ranger XLT, which was my first vehicle.  I still have that truck and it only has 33,000 miles.  It's been an awesome truck.  When the time came for a car, I took the bold move to go against the Mercury/Ford tradition in our family for three reasons (two of which I may be laughed at over)...

1)  Ford killed Mercury.  I know in reality Mercury was dead long before it was "officially" killed as Ford let it stagnate.  I was mad because they didn't try to revive Mercury's heritage from their old days.  I was mad because they chose to try to save Lincoln (which I'm laughing at now because their attempts are failing horrendously), when one could argue Lincoln's better days were behind them even more than Mercury's.  I don't mean to offend anyone who has a Lincoln.  I'm sure they're good cars, but I just believe Mercury should have been saved rather than Lincoln if there had to be a choice.  I was extremely mad at Ford for killing the RWD Cougar in 1997. (I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED the 89-97 Cougars, none of which I was ever able to drive.  That's on my bucket list!  I'd give anything to drive one in good shape!)  I absolutely loathed the last iteration of the Cougar.  I know there's people that like them, but I don't.  I'm still mad at Ford because they killed Mercury by letting it starve and stagnate.

2)  Ford killed the Ranger.  I know the Ranger was way long in the tooth in design, but that was part of its charm.  Besides the Panther platform (Crown Vic, Grand Marq, Town Car), the Ranger was the last one that still had 90s design, plus it was a  dependable truck.  I'm not much of a F-150 fan.  Just too big for my needs.  I'm still mad at them for this too.

3)  Ford's design.  In late 2012, when I was looking for a car (I stupidly decided to buy new), Ford didn't have one good design that caught my eye... and yes, that even includes the Fusion.  A lot of people seem to like the new Fusion, but it doesn't look good to me.  I just don't get why people like it.  Just my opinion.  Nothing from Ford appealed to me. 

The one saving grace that would've kept me in the Ford family is if there had been a new Mercury to be had.  I would've bought a Grand Marquis (love the ride of the Grand Marquis!) or even more than that, a new RWD Cougar.  So, Ford was crossed off the list.

I decided to squarely focus on the imports.  I never have liked GM and save for their designs, Chrysler either.  I test drove a 2013 Honda Accord, then a 2013 Nissan Altima, then a 2012 Toyota Camry (at this time, Toyota hadn't released a 2013 Camry, so that was the newest one they had).  Simply put, the Camry was awful!  It was floaty in the wrong ways.  I remember thinking to myself, "Is this what the fuss is all about?"  The Altima was nice, but it felt like something was missing.  The Honda Accord won out as I was extremely impressed!  Fast forward to two years later...

I'm going to be selling the Accord for a few reasons (in no particular order):

1)  Taxes and insurance are way too expensive. 

2)  The Accord uses EPS (Electronic Power Steering), and it's pr0ne to failure outright at any given moment.  There's even a fed investigation into the problem.  I don't feel safe driving it anymore.

3)  Honda under-reported problems with the Takata airbags.  I griped at GM and Toyota for what they did, so I could do no different with Honda. 

Mechanically, the car is sound, but there are the reasons for opting to sell it.  I have since returned to the Ford family... specifically the Mercury family with a '86 Cougar GS... canyon red exterior and interior with almost 17,000 miles on the original 5.0 motor!  I guess you could say the family came full circle.

I'm sorry for such a long post, but my point is... I had jumped on the "imports are superior to domestics" bandwagon, but I have since jumped off concluding that none of the car manufacturer's know how to make a decent car anymore, whether it's import or domestic.  Anyone think I'm being too harsh?

Tommy
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Beau on November 28, 2014, 01:39:47 PM
My mountaineer may be falling apart, front driveshaft shiznits itself every 50,000 miles, hubs, ball joints, squeaks, rattles, but at least I can work on it and not go broke.

A few years ago, I put a CV axle in a Camry...well, let me rephrase it. I tried to...could NOT get the original out, even with a big-assed slide hammer I rented. Put it back together and took it to the shop. The guy there had a hell of a time too.

That car still runs...my father in law has it. It's got more miles than my Mounty, and the Mounty has over 274K.

Where the right rear shock bolts to the subframe...is all rusted and gone years ago. Hitting a big bump in the Camry was...interesting. The exhaust smells (like overcooked rice, ironically. No, I am not making this shiznit up.)

Toyato may have had or still have slave labor...and all my stuff is second hand, but still, give me domestic...err, Ford, any day. I'd rather have a 25 year old car that I have been through, rather than the unknown quantity...will the frame rust? will the ign switch toast the rest of the ride? will the ed transmission go out before 50K?

My dad's '89 F150....paint all peeled and long gone on the hood and roof...I spun a rod the summer of '08 using it to haul straw...still could put another engine in it, clean the mouse turds off of the floorboards, and drive it another 300,000 miles.

That truck pulled a camper to Yellowstone twice in the early 90's. Never whimpered. Ford tough for life.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Haystack on November 28, 2014, 01:47:38 PM
And how long do you expect your 28 year old ford to stay reliable? Even when it looks new other people still look down on you. I never realized how bad it was till i started driving my dads 2011 fiesta. Before this car, they newest car id ever driven was an 88 crown vic wagon.

I personally dont have a problem trying to keep my car going, and its something i do for fun. Other people see it as being stuck on the past and me not being able to move on. Personally, i just like the interior room. Im 6'5 and this car fits me like a glove. I actually hated my crown vic because.how much less room it had.

I've ridden/driven quite a few newer cars, including mustangs, trucks, suv's. They are all missing something. Most cars that do have enough room,the room is in weird places. Its nice to be able to slide my leg under the steering wheel, but if i have to move the seat back so far that my arms are fully extended, whats the point? Chevy pickups, tons of head room, but none for my knees.

The sad thing is, or cars are no longer made because there isn't a market for things. Somehow puppiesan got known for its gas mileage and quality.every person i talk to is floored that it gets more then 20mpgs and that it can live for over 200k, but for a price of garbage camry its expected. I know a lot of people with high mileage Toyota's. I don't know one person that hasn't replaced the engine before 100k.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Cougars 2 go on November 28, 2014, 05:33:24 PM
Quote from: Haystack;441098
I've ridden/driven quite a few newer cars, including mustangs, trucks, suv's. They are all missing something.

I suspect the connection between the driver and the mechanics disappeared and a layer or more of IT pried itself between the two.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: JeremyB on November 28, 2014, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: Haystack;441098
I know a lot of people with high mileage Toyota's. I don't know one person that hasn't replaced the engine before 100k.
I know a lot of people with high mileage Toyotas. I don't know one person that has replaced the engine before 100k. Odd!
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Beau on November 28, 2014, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: Haystack;441098
do you expect your 28 year old ford to stay reliable? Even when it looks new other people still look down on you.


A car is as reliable as the guy who works on it, and the guy who drives it. As for what other people think of me and MY cars, until they start paying my bills, buying my food, and taking care of ME, what they think and say don't make one ed bit of difference to me.

I may not have heated ball scratchers, Sync, OnStar, navigation, leather seats, or power mirrrors (actually the Mounty does have leather and power mirrors), but it's mine, it runs, and I'm not afraid to take it the mudhole or the Gulf of Mexico.

Meanwhile, newer cars with far less miles and abuse have fallen by the wayside. Function before form, I'll take my heavy, ugly, stinky, rusty, dirty, bloody gas guzzler SUV over a shaging prius any day. In fact, Prius meanso "my wife carries my balls in her purse" when you do the translation from Yuppie Bullshiznit into standard American English.

Mine will be less ecologically damaging than the 'Yota pen 15...errrr, Prius... batteries when it finally is junkyard time, too.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Haystack on November 28, 2014, 08:14:11 PM
I agree completely with everything said, minus the Toyota stuff. I had a buddy who's family only drove corollas. One was the geo metro version, but still a Toyota. Both ended up at the chevy dealer as. Trade in with blown engines while still under warranty. All oil changes and maintenance was done. They ended up with a focus that lasted well over 200k. When it got tired, they traded it in on a celica that blew the motor around 70k miles. Last i saw, it was still on jack stands in the driveway.

I've basically only driven 86-87 cougarbirds. Most were near 200k when i bought them cheap, and I've put at least 50k on each one with very little maintenance.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: mcb82gt on November 29, 2014, 01:59:19 AM
Quote from: oldraven;225716


I will never buy another Toyota product for as long as I live.


I never have, and doubt I ever will.  I will stick with Ford and GM.  Call me stupid if you like for the GM remark, but their pickups have done me very well for many years, like 20+
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: TOM Renzo on November 29, 2014, 07:47:39 AM
It is simple to understand. In a nutshell American car buyers are totally DUMB. They will buy certain cars like clock work and brag about how py American cars are. Even when Toyota has a huge SLUDGE issue unintended excelleration
 issues and rotted frames. if that was an American car the media would plaster it all over the networks for years. case in point GM ignition switches. Which by the way most likely were made in puppiesan or china
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: jcassity on November 29, 2014, 10:03:13 AM
short answer as to why this happens....

the people who are substance / fact based lost their voice out of fear of becoming a part of the latest "Name category".  The media wants to see America fall or take a hit, they seriously enjoy seeing our country destroyed , the love and desire it so much that they will cherry pick anything that opens the door to chaos.  Many people find this to be an impossible option but the terrible truth is that *its true*.  As they exercise their freedom of speech, I am the guy buttstuffyzing what they just said and am taken back to the oath I took,,  "I promise to defend the constitution from enemies both domestic and abroad".
In a nutshell, 9 out of 10 frees speechers fall into the category of the very people the tax payers told me to go fight.   

I was food and survival prepping when it was considered weird.
I was recycling back when it was called "tight as bark on a log"
I was saying all the ugly truths back when it was called "uncompassionate"
I had a voice back when it was called "opinionated"

I said it back then and I will say it again, ~ it takes the rest of the world about 3 to 5 years to come around to my way of thinking.

now that our country has lived through all the things I said would happen, people are finding their voice again,, but I hold a grudge against them because if they had listened to history most importantly and others with a voice, they would not have been tricked into this situation "they caused".  It pays very little to jump on any bandwagon just for the sake of being on the "popular team".  It is an expensive and wreck less choice to not do your due diligence and fact gathering before making any choice.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 29, 2014, 04:28:31 PM
As I said earlier in this thread (about 25 years ago or whenever it was first started), the really big issue is in how the manufacturer handles problems. I can speak of Honda in particular, because I work there. Until recently, Honda had basically four engine families: The smallest 4 (Fit, Insight, Civic Hybrid, CR-Z), the medium 4 (Civic), the "big block" 4 (CR-V, Accord, Civic SI), and the J-series V6 (Odyssey, Ridgeline, Pilot, Accord V6). Everybody considers Honda to be dead-nuts reliable, but I can say that three of those four engine families have what I would consider to be really bad flaws:

The Civic's 1.8 has an issue with the engine block cracking. This problem is common in Civics from 2006 to present day.

The Accord/CR-V 2.4 has an oil burning problem. This is common with all versions of this engine, from the mid 2000's to 2014. They burn so much oil that if owners don't keep an eye on the oil level (and most don't) they will empty the oil pan before the next oil change is due. Thankfully they start showing driveability issues before serious engine damage happens - VTEC uses oil pressure, and when the pressure drops it turns on the check engine light and the engine lacks top end power.

The J-series V6 also has an oil burning problem. This seems to only occur in versions with cylinder deactivation (basically all 2010-newer, with automatic transmission), and it is always in cylinders 1-4.

Like I said, they are all serious problems which would be very expensive to repair. If this were Ford, GM, or Chrysler the customer would be told "Tough shiznit, you're out of warranty". Honda, on the other hand, has increased the warranty on all of these problems. Civics have a 10 year, unlimited mileage warranty on the engine block. When it fails the customer gets a new short block - pistons, crank, oil pan and all. With the 2.4 issues the warranty has been extended to 7 years, 100k miles, but they will usually "goodwill" repairs much beyond those terms. If the car is burning excessive oil it gets new pistons & rings, plus a timing chain set and VCT actuator if the engine was throwing codes for a stretched chain. If the engine was actually damaged from low oil it gets a new engine (we haven't seen this yet). The V6 engines get new rings (but not new pistons) under their extended warranty of 7 years/100k miles. And Honda does not keep these extended warranties secret - they mail out letters to owners of affected vehicles, just like a recall letter.

I'm not trying to brag Honda up here for stepping up. They've also screwed up pretty royally as well (Takata airbags). But I would bet that if GM, Ford or Chrysler had any issues like this they'd say "Tough titty". I know this is true because it's exactly what Ford has said with the 3.8 head gasket problems, GM has said with the timing chain issues with its "high feature" engine family, and Chrysler has said with its py 4-speed automatic trannies.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: EricCoolCats on November 29, 2014, 05:52:14 PM
puppiesanese manufacturers have the luxury of a seriously devalued yen vs. the dollar, therefore they can afford things like repairs and still bring Abe profits, just like he wants (and how he manipulated the yen).

If American manufacturers were making hand over fist like that, it wouldn't be much of an issue to do repairs in the exact same way.

puppiesan has always had the upper hand in America, and will continue to do so as long as there are governors willing to roll out the red carpet and give incentives and tax abatements to them. That didn't happen to American manufacturers in puppiesan or China, did it?
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: V8Demon on November 29, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;441152
puppiesanese manufacturers have the luxury of a seriously devalued yen vs. the dollar, therefore they can afford things like repairs and still bring Abe profits, just like he wants (and how he manipulated the yen).

If American manufacturers were making hand over fist like that, it wouldn't be much of an issue to do repairs in the exact same way.

puppiesan has always had the upper hand in America, and will continue to do so as long as there are governors willing to roll out the red carpet and give incentives and tax abatements to them. That didn't happen to American manufacturers in puppiesan or China, did it?


....And it most likely never will considering the tariffs that puppiesan levies on Cars from other parts of the world.  They make the U.S. tariffs on foreign trucks look tame.
Title: Toyota and the Media
Post by: TOM Renzo on November 29, 2014, 09:37:17 PM
Hay if you can sell SUBARU'S to people and they love them. Americans are dummer than ROCKS when it comes to determining a good car. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!