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Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 02, 2008, 04:46:57 PM
just took it in for an E test and it brutally failed it. and I dont have the money to fix it to pass in time. so I am going to take it to the track tonight and beat the out of it. then prepare to swap in my 5.0L HO.
Guess I will be taking the beat up XR-7 this year. cracked windshield and all... :hick:
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: Thunder Chicken on July 02, 2008, 04:59:51 PM
Will an engine swap car pass the E-test? We don't have 'em here (thank God, they'd frown upon my catless T-Bird, EGR-less Saturn and A.I.R. pump-less F-150), so I don't know, but I seem to remember California's laws blocking engine swaps...
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 32VFoxBird on July 02, 2008, 05:54:41 PM
Seafoam!
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: Clayton on July 02, 2008, 10:44:54 PM
why 5.0?
why not ....5.8? :D
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 03, 2008, 07:13:36 AM
Quote from: 32VFoxBird;225614
Seafoam!
I doubt that will help. here are my test results; (http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/DSC04695.jpg)
I failed by a huge amount.... If you swap in an engine that didnt come in the car, you can get what ia known as a hot rod clause, and the emissions limits are higher. but I have never had a problem with my 5.0L's acing the e test, which is why I like them.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: baxo on July 03, 2008, 08:07:34 AM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225604
Guess I will be taking the beat up XR-7 this year. cracked windshield and all... :hick:
Beat up? when you bought it was in near show condition. What did you do to it? :hick:
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 03, 2008, 09:34:12 AM
LOL, you seen it the other day, I need a new fender still, and still gotta replace the windshield. and do some major cleaning and detail work in the engine bay.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: Chuck W on July 03, 2008, 09:43:23 AM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225685
I doubt that will help. here are my test results;
I failed by a huge amount.... If you swap in an engine that didnt come in the car, you can get what ia known as a hot rod clause, and the emissions limits are higher. but I have never had a problem with my 5.0L's acing the e test, which is why I like them.
People have never had an issue with the 2.3T's passing the test either. The SB's aren't magically any cleaner than the 2.3's, actually they were more heavily-laden with emissions than the 2.3T's ever were from the factory. However, as we all know you're dead set on swapping in a 5.0 :mullet: , it really makes no difference.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: bhazard on July 03, 2008, 11:12:17 AM
Ive heard of many passing their 2.3's even WITHOUT a cat.
Oh well, be unique with your 5.0 then. AHAHA
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: gumby on July 03, 2008, 03:38:22 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225604
I am going to take it to the track tonight and beat the out of it.
and?
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: dominator on July 03, 2008, 08:19:02 PM
Do an oil change:lower hc/co. Pull the pcv out of the hose for the crankcase and set it off to the side:lower hc/co. Pull the spout connector-lower everything as it locks the timing at 10deg throught out the rpm range. Replace the plugs Run ultra 94 with methal hydrate in the tank. With that it should pass,are the injectors stock???? What's the fuel pressure and does it have an adjustable regulator,turn it back to stock if it does.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 04, 2008, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: bhazard;225723
Ive heard of many passing their 2.3's even WITHOUT a cat.
Oh well, be unique with your 5.0 then. AHAHA
please keep your whining about my engine swap to yourself... thats all you do is whine when ever somebody mentions swapping a 5.0L into one of these. yeah Im happy for you that you are an originalist, (but you have modified your TC?!?! :confused:) heard it a thousand times.... getting boring.... look at all your on your car and you STILL only run 15's?!?!?:rollin: I swapped a STOCK HO highmiler junkyard 302 into my '88 bird and ran a 14.8 with it with an inadequite fuel pump... (the motor was from my '91 Cougar that I had at the first CJ I went to. it had a rough life.) still wonder why im doing the swap? wake up and read... There is over $5000 of work done to this 2.3L whizzer, and it still is nothing to brag about. If I put that kinda cash into a 5.0L for this? I would easily be into the low 12's. the guy says this thing runs 13's... doubt it, unless a stang is going to be pushing me, but we'll see.
tonight I will be finally trailering it to the track to make a few passes and see what it has. my only hope is it blows up to give me a reason to pull the four banger out and put something worth while in its place. And something that sounds nice, instead of a john deere on roids.
who says I am dead set on the swap Chuck? yeah I would like to, but I dont care either way. ask baXo what I think of it. I took him for a rip the other day. and as I told him, for a four banger it is a fun car to bomb around town in, especially when I open the wastegate between a row of buildings with people walking on the street. once it is going it is a fun car, I just hate the fact that there is NO torque off the line.
Chris almost all that stuff was done besides pulling the spout connector. and the meth hydrate. FP is set at 37psi, and it is stil running rich.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: gumby on July 04, 2008, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225903
There is over $5000 of work done to this 2.3L whizzer, and it still is nothing to brag about. If I put that kinda cash into a 5.0L for this? I would easily be into the low 12's.
just cant resist the classic debate, eh? :jerry: everyone who knows anything about building a motor knows that the combination of parts is more important the the amount of cash thrown at it. jus cause the PO spent over 5gs doesnt mean the combination is gonna work.
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who says I am dead set on the swap
your negative attitude toward the powerplant from the onset of this purchase has shown it. :disappoin
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 04, 2008, 05:11:06 PM
what do you expect? they are gutless and sound retarded, and now I have first hand experience to say so... :flip: lol
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: gumby on July 04, 2008, 07:22:05 PM
well hell, good luck with that gutless, retarded sounding turd at the track tonight. i cant wait to see your slips! :clown:
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on July 04, 2008, 10:53:56 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225903
wake up and read... There is over $5000 of work done to this 2.3L whizzer, and it still is nothing to brag about. .
There isnt 5k worth of mods in that whole car.
Just pull the thing out and GIVE it to someone who will use it.
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 04, 2008, 11:12:45 PM
Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;225952
There isnt 5k worth of mods in that whole car.
Just pull the thing out and GIVE it to someone who will use it.
maybe in your area, but up here these things aint cheap. and neither are the parts to build them. the motor is getting pulled and donated to someone who can use it.... the local s yard.
made 3 embarassing passes tonight. first run: R/T:....... 0.588 60'..........2.578 330'.........7.063 1/8th.......10.582 MPH.........70.58 1000'........13.538 1/4...........16.062 MPH..........87.25
second Run: R/T..........1.231 60'..........2.529 330'.........6.872 1/8th.......10.366 MPH.........70.62 1000'........13.366 1/4...........15.896 MPH..........89.21
and I lost the 3rd slip but it was a 16.02:toilet: the car was comming out of the hole clean but falling on its face through 3rd and 4th. I am going to try a few tips some buddies gave me at the track, and try again. the weird part if it was I was so pissed at it coming down the return road, I floored it and powershifted 2nd and near lost it! the thing went right squirley! comming done the track it was nowheres near as powerful.... this car is posessed.
My freaking XR-7 is almost faster then this turd. It sounds better too. but I did have the ricers checking it out and complementing on how nice it was.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on July 04, 2008, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225954
maybe in your area, but up here these things aint cheap. and neither are the parts to build them. the motor is getting pulled and donated to someone who can use it.... the local s yard.
made 3 embarassing passes tonight. first run: R/T:....... 0.588 60'..........2.578 330'.........7.063 1/8th.......10.582 MPH.........70.58 1000'........13.538 1/4...........16.062 MPH..........87.25
second Run: R/T..........1.231 60'..........2.529 330'.........6.872 1/8th.......10.366 MPH.........70.62 1000'........13.366 1/4...........15.896 MPH..........89.21
and I lost the 3rd slip but it was a 16.02:toilet:
At least it was faster then your cougar...
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 04, 2008, 11:25:20 PM
factor in the reaction times of the cougars slips and I would have still beat it to the finish line.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on July 04, 2008, 11:28:23 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225956
factor in the reaction times of the cougars slips and I would have still beat it to the finish line.
Reaction time has nothing to do with ET you could set there for 2 mins and the ET would remain the same
BTW mph=POWER
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 04, 2008, 11:33:34 PM
no shiznit, I've been drag racing for years....
but if I left by half a second sooner in the cougar, that is half a second further down the track I am, before the bird leaves. which means I just made it across the line first, hence the win... sure the bird has a quicker time and MPH, but it still didnt cross the line first, and it would still not be enough to catch up and go around the cougar by then.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on July 04, 2008, 11:41:37 PM
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no shiznit, I've been drag racing for years....
but if I left by half a second sooner in the cougar, that is half a second further down the track I am, before the bird leaves. which means I just made it across the line first, hence the win... sure the bird has a quicker time and MPH, but it still didnt cross the line first, and it would still not be enough to catch up and go around the cougar by then.
Man,Your set in what you want to do so just do it and stop the B.S talk about the 2.3.It's getting pathetic and old I get on here anymore and this is all i see come from you.Personally I'm sick of the hating.If you take the time to learn about something insted of throwing it under the bus you may be suprised in what you find and learn about things.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 04, 2008, 11:49:13 PM
where the hell do you get that from? this started because you are triing to tell me my bird won when it crossed the finish line last? I was telling you which car WILL cross the line first, which turns on the win light at the end. it aint hating. read the post please... big deal if I do plan to swap a V8 into it... hell you did it, and you used a chev motor at that!
and I did learn about this thing.... They are a PITA. both to upgrade and to troubleshoot. and expensive up here. 5.0L parts are a dime a dozen.... gee which should I get? Though I am going to see about getting it in for a proper dyno tune and see what the hell is wrong with it, and why it is running so rich. I do intend to get at least a 13 second out of the little wizzer before I swap it though.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: fordguy545 on July 04, 2008, 11:53:47 PM
There is something MAJORLY wrong with that car!!!! My tbird went 14.97@90 with the IHI at 18psi with the interheater. You should be MPH around 100 or more with that setup:mad: Hell I've never even power shifted this car and it went that fast. Your Ignition timing makes a hell of a difference though. I dropped a full second from what I started with just from that change. Granted the guy that I bought the car from only had 5 degrees base timing in it didnt help. I bumped it to 14. stock was supposed to be 10. Probably that car doesn't have a blowoff valve and that could be hurting you bigtime and you kinda found that out on the return road, rofl
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 04, 2008, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: fordguy545;225965
There is something MAJORLY wrong with that car!!!! My tbird went 14.97@90 with the IHI at 18psi with the interheater. You should be MPH around 100 or more with that setup:mad:
thats what I went to the track expecting, around a 13.8 or so at 100MPH'ish but it never happened. :(:toilet:
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on July 04, 2008, 11:59:33 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225964
where the hell do you get that from? you are triing to tell me my bird won when it crossed the finish line last? I was telling you which car WILL cross the line first. it aint hating. read the post please...
I read and read well probly better then 70% of the US and canadian population.You want to compare apples to oranges.
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and I did learn about this thing.... They are a PITA. both to upgrade and to troubleshoot. I am going to see about getting it in for a proper dyno tune and see what the hell is wrong with it, and why it is running so rich.
They are probly the most simple motor ford has ever produced.The problem is the shiznitty 80's wiring and tuning.
My advise Ditch the VAM (it's suffocating it) Have it tuned with a wideband (factory 36's will probly be too small mine gave out at about 300 h/p) launch it hard off some sort of 2 step to build boost Put some sticky tires on it...
There is no reason that car shouldnt run in the mid to lower 13's on a resonable boost level.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: fordguy545 on July 05, 2008, 12:01:09 AM
Actually, what injectors does it have in it? Stock brown tops, or aftermarket. is the computer chipped to run an injector bigger that 42#. Thats about the biggest injector the stock computer can run stock. If its got bigger than that, that could also explain your rich condition. I'm shootin for 12's on street tires, rofl
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on July 05, 2008, 12:03:04 AM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225964
big deal if I do plan to swap a V8 into it... hell you did it, and you used a chev motor at that!
Sure did..
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 05, 2008, 12:09:38 AM
Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;225967
I read and read well probly better then 70% of the US and canadian population.You want to compare apples to oranges. that maybe but you sure didnt understand what you read at that point
My advise Ditch the VAM (it's suffocating it) Have it tuned with a wideband (factory 36's will probly be too small mine gave out at about 300 h/p) launch it hard off some sort of 2 step to build boost Put some sticky tires on it... There is no reason that car shouldnt run in the mid to lower 13's on a resonable boost level.
thank you for your advice... how do I get rid of the VAM? What is a good but cheap wideband that you would recommend? I havent had any luck with the bearings in the bottom of any of my cars so the 2 step idea doesnt sit well with me. wont that hurt the bottom end of the motor? I tried launching at 4000rpm but obviously there was no boost til I started rolling... How hard is it to wire in an MSD ignition in one of these? and I believe my car is stock injectors.
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Post by: fordguy545 on July 05, 2008, 12:13:44 AM
I think its probably the same harness as a 5.0. dont quote me on that though. To get rid of the vam, you will need a standalone(megasquirt, bamafuel, or something of that nature.) If you get the bamafuel, its a plug and play megasquirt system, BUT Ive had mine on order since april 12, and still have not gotten it due to the mass quantities of orders he's gotten.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on July 05, 2008, 12:16:55 AM
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thank you for your advice... how do I get rid of the VAM? I havent had any luck with the bearings in the bottom of any of my cars so the 2 step idea doesnt sit well with me. I tried launching at 4000rpm but obviously there was no boost til I started rolling... How hard is it to wire in an MSD ignition in one of these?
You will need to have a chip burned to eliminate it and go to speed density or go to a standalone system or there is always carb:D .
The 2 step will be vital that or leave at 5-6 grand dropping the clutch I could see 15 psi with a 4k pill in mine I would put it on the 2 step when the first yellow came on. I doubt you will hurt the bottom end there tough kinda like a mini 460 in the pan:hick:
Same to wire it up as it is a 5.0 mustang or bird use the TFI adapter Follow the 4 cyl instructions on setting up the rev limit you have to clip the orange and brown wires under the black cap with the small phillips screw.
Biggest thing here is you cant be scared to hurt it these things are like tanks it takes alot
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Post by: turbo88 on July 05, 2008, 01:58:24 AM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225970
I havent had any luck with the bearings in the bottom of any of my cars so the 2 step idea doesnt sit well with me.
These things will take more abuse on the bottom end than a 5.0L will.
here's one example.
http://www.stinger-performance.com/bolton.html
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Post by: dominator on July 05, 2008, 08:37:59 AM
K enough bashin the 5.0L,i'll pit mine against anyone on here's 2.3L and still win, i don't care what you have in it or how much money you've spent. The 2.3L at high horse power levels(400+) is not reliable for the street PERIOD. A 5.0L at the 400+ runs dead reliable with no extra tinkering and will idle smooth all day long(all you 2.3L guys need to reread the last 2 sentences as i don't want to hear, what do you mean there not reliable,at 400+, they just aren't, you will encounter constant idle/driveability issues at those levels for a DAILY read again DAILY driver at those hp levels and it would just not be enjoyable on the street from light to light with no boost at low rpm,having to launch at 5000rpm plus) my 5.0L starts building boost at 2400rpm from my SQ trim not 3000rpm like the 2.3L(i know i had one running 18psi). From a light on the STREET(read again)STREET you will get dusted from every stop light doing 5000rpm launches with street tires(can anyone say tire smoke). Again i'm looking for reliability here folks not handling or weight (i don't autocross my car on city streets,i drive in a fairly straight line like everyone else from light to light) and THAT'S where it COUNTS! Not at the track in a fake enviroment with non street tires and a sticky track,on the STREET folks, from light to straight line light! Now in all honesty RON you do beat on your 5.0L's and they are very well seasoned if you get my meaning when you get them so there is your issues with bearings. If when you get your next 5.0L you throw in a new set of lower end rod and crank bearings you should be good to go. Did it to my 3.8L SC with 172k on it when i had it out(glad i did)and it ran perfect and had no noises when i swapped it from the 91 to the 89 but i figured while it was on the stand and for 150 bucks it was cheap insurance. After pulling my rod bearings they where worn down to the copper but where still not noisy,like i said cheap insurance for anyone who has an engine out on the stand. As for the swap ron,you've got all the parts(i think) and my writeup which covers it all in detail,just do it, you know you'll be happier. Sell the 2.3L and use the dough for 5.0L performance parts.
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Post by: Chuck W on July 05, 2008, 08:50:55 AM
I was commenting on the glaringly incorrect claim that the 5.0's were "cleaner" than the 2.3T and not which engine was the better stoplight warrior...which is NOT all that counts anyway.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 05, 2008, 09:04:38 AM
haha... thanks Chris, your right I do drive my cars hard, but ya know something? the bottom end is still solid on the Cougar... guess I learned my lesson on when to beat them and when to just putter around, LOL. I still have a few parts to aquire for the swap, mainly a decent used motor, but I should have that next weekend. an explorer 302 with 100kms. will be sufing GTAMC to aquire the rest of the parts needed.
Well I have never had a 5.0L motor have troubles passing an Emissions test and this one fialed by a HUGE amount, even though it runs great and doesnt smoke... hell I removed EVERYTHING for emissions besides the cats on my '85 and I still aced its last test. the tester laughed and shook his head. He couldnt believe it passed. might just be my 2.3, but I dont call it cleaner. of course this one has had so much thrown at it that I dont even know if all the emissions shiznit is still functional. probably not as half the other good stuff is gone... (ABS and PRC)
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Post by: HAVI on July 05, 2008, 09:59:12 AM
I say compromise and put a 3.8 in it. :mullet:
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: Tbird232ci on July 05, 2008, 10:21:10 AM
Chris, while I'm not trying to feed the fire in you "the 5.0 is God" argument. There are a handful of guys down in Florida that make 400+ horsepower in their street cars and daily drivers. If you hop on turboford.net, and talk to svojohn, as him about his car, and his buddies cars. They mostly run holsets, head work, moderate cams, big valve heads, blow through VAM, big injectors and a tweecer. The biggest issue with these cars is the tune. Did you know that the VAM is pegged at roughly 3000rpms, and it's running full rich? You also know, that a stock fuel pressure, and stock brown top injectors, you'll start going lean at 17psi from a T3? Now imagine a holset. Also, like Sleeper said, the VAM, majorly chokes these cars out.
These engines have a lot of power potential, but what makes them "unreliable" is the electronics and the tune. The only issue I've had as of recently is that I run a little rich, and occasionally have a hiccup, and that's because of my ECT sensor.
My car might not make 400 horsepower, but out here on the street, it put a hurtin on a lot of different cars, and upset a lot of people. I've had my ass handed to me, but they were mid 12's cars, and they SHOULD have hurt my feelings.
RJ, does the car still have EGR? EGR is the biggest emmissions contributor on these cars. Mine failed horribly also, and I've got to put the EGR back on. I didn't do anything different with this car other than EGR that last time it went through emmissions, and it passed.
As for your launch, how did you launch? On my car, I can rev it to 3-3500, and come up to the release point, and the car not move, then at the last yellow, slip it out, get 10-12psi of boost, and come off of it and get the nose up. I just put a new clutch in it yesterday, if I can get it to stop chattering, and I can learn this clutch in time, I'll show you at catjam.
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 05, 2008, 12:32:10 PM
thats about how I was launching. first launch I forgot I wasnt in a 5.0L and I dumped the clutch at 3500. bogged it big time, second run I slipped the clutch and power shifted every gear. third run I launched at 4500 slipping it...stayed beside a Subaru WRX of the line but then he just walked away, and mine just died off as I was going down the track...
I need alot more work into this thing to take advantage of what it has already, as you said on AIM Shawn....
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Post by: gumby on July 05, 2008, 01:22:10 PM
a 2.5 short time is comin out of the hole clean?? i was pullin 2.1's with an IRS and stiffly sprug autoX suspension ;) my car is goin faster w/less done to it and an itty bitty turbo....
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I need alot more work into this thing to take advantage of what it has already, as you said on AIM Shawn....
i usually dont enjoy quoting myself, but you have received advice here, talked to shawn and probly others, but have done very little to try and get more from the car. all i have seen other than welding the ends of the IC pipes has been complaining and bashin about the cars current performance. if youre not gonna even try to fix the issues its got, how can you expect it to get better? if you dont take steps to improve the situation, why continue to ?
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...if you want to even try to make that car come alive i would suggest a few things:
BPV or BOV
adjustable cam gear
better intercooler
take some time and learn how to drive it
*snipped*
anyone who has driven a big low end torque motor and a 2.3T back to back can attest to the fact that the 2.3T takes some gettin used to in order to see it perform. a good friend of mine and i went back to back rounds in norwalk, OH, swapping rides in between. he had a supercharged 4.0 97 ranger reg.cab. i had a 2.3T powered 89 ranger reg.cab. first run i went 14.6 to his 14.8 swapped rides and i went 15.4 in his truck and he went 16.7 in mine! over two seconds lost to driving technique.
i left the "learn how to drive it" in the quote cause your 60ft shows that there is still room to learn more. in my experience, slipping is better than dumping unless you wanna hook up a 2step, but you still hafta find that sweet spot between buildin boost, max traction, and burning up the clutch; that takes practice. im sure there is more in that car as it sits, just like my buddie who lost +2sec when he jumped in my turboranger.
now obviously the combo under the hood is not ideal, but even as it sits you can optimize the situation if you choose to. what RPM are you seeing full boost in third gear with that holset? as far as ditchin the VAM, tuning, and stand alones, i figure thats all a waste of time and money for this car as you would never be happy with the 2.3T under the hood anyhow. hell, im still confused why a guy so dead set against a 2.3T would even buy this car in the first place. you claimed it was for the extra goodies a TC comes with:
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and as for starting with a V8? if they came with the ABS and ARC I would... I doubt it is easy to swap that stuff to a V8 model....
but purchased a car where that equipment had already been removed?? :dunno:
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probably not as half the other good stuff is gone... (ABS and PRC)
if youre gonna swap it, then swap it....theres no need to continually drag up your hatred for the 2.3T. if you cant hack it, just get rid of it.
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Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on July 05, 2008, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: dominator;225988
K enough bashin the 5.0L,i'll pit mine against anyone on here's 2.3L and still win, i don't care what you have in it or how much money you've spent.
buhahaha..
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: daboss351 on July 05, 2008, 07:19:18 PM
id trade a 5.0 block, gt40 heads and intake for that 2.3 IF i had a ranger for it.....
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: 1WLD BRD on July 05, 2008, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: gumby;226010
a 2.5 short time is comin out of the hole clean?? i was pullin 2.1's with an IRS and stiffly sprug autoX suspension ;) my car is goin faster w/less done to it and an itty bitty turbo....
i usually dont enjoy quoting myself, but you have received advice here, talked to shawn and probly others, but have done very little to try and get more from the car. all i have seen other than welding the ends of the IC pipes has been complaining and bashin about the cars current performance. if youre not gonna even try to fix the issues its got, how can you expect it to get better? if you dont take steps to improve the situation, why continue to ?
i left the "learn how to drive it" in the quote cause your 60ft shows that there is still room to learn more.
now obviously the combo under the hood is not ideal, but even as it sits you can optimize the situation if you choose to. what RPM are you seeing full boost in third gear with that holset? as far as ditchin the VAM, tuning, and stand alones, i figure thats all a waste of time and money for this car as you would never be happy with the 2.3T under the hood anyhow. hell, im still confused why a guy so dead set against a 2.3T would even buy this car in the first place. you claimed it was for the extra goodies a TC comes with: but purchased a car where that equipment had already been removed?? :dunno: if youre gonna swap it, then swap it....theres no need to continually drag up your hatred for the 2.3T. if you cant hack it, just get rid of it.
ok for one, I am currently unemployed at cant afford to throw money at a load of parts to try and optimise this thing.. hell I cant even afford to go to CJ but I am coming anyways...
It will take about $1500 worth of shiznit or more to get the max out of this combo. I just bought a complete and running low milage '96 explorer 302 for it for $500, that will give me better performace stock then this thing has now... even optimized. I already have the rest of the stuff to do the swap.
as for your comment about weather or not I left cleanly..... were you there? DOUBT IT. by cleanly, that usually means with out wheelspin. and trust me, that is ALL it has, the thing is a turd of the line AND down the track.
and you can keep your learn how to drive it comments to yourself because if you had a clue, you could see that the enitre thing wasnt running worth a shiznit from start to finish, and it wasnt cause of my driving. had I of known the guy deleted the goodies before I solidified the deal over line I would have walked away from it, unfortunatly I am a man of my word, and figured I would give it a shot anyways..... thankfully the ABS is an easy fix. where the f**K do you get that I am dead set against the 2.3T?!?!? why? because I plan to swap it out that means Im against it? LMAO ok..... I have nothing against it, besides the lack of torque.
although with this car.... trust me, the only real thing that I like on it is the Holset, because it will be big enough for a mild 302, and make twice the power with one too. and reliably with out a bucket full of cash. that and it has every other option I would get. and the body is in great shape. another plus is the fuel mileage....
and I dont keep "draging up my hatred for the 2.3L" mainly because there is none, (when it is on the street, I have a blast with it. just it is a gutless POS that I would seel in a heart beat if I can find a buyer for it, and get my money back....) it is the retards that like to keep digging up an issue that has long since been dropped. and keep bitching about someone wanting to swap a different motor into there own car, so DROP IT! you have a problem with me swapping a motor into MY car, tough sh*t., you spoke your mind about wheather or not I should do it, now drop it thanks.
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if you cant hack it, just get rid of it.
I believe that is what the swap ia all about... getting rid of it... :flip: thanks for the advice, even though you already said you are against the swap.... pick a side of the fence would ya?
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: gumby on July 05, 2008, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;226048
thanks for the advice, even though you already said you are against the swap.... pick a side of the fence would ya?
its your car, there is no side of the fence for me. i have never cared what you do with your car, so dont try to lump me in with the closed minded people on either side of that fence. please quote where i stated i was against the swap...all i could find was this:
Quote from: gumby;224371
...frankly it dont matter to me...
as to the rest of your post, consider it dropped. i see no point in continuing down this spiral. :toilet:
Title: Looks like my TC isnt going to make it to CJ
Post by: fordguy545 on July 08, 2008, 11:21:20 PM
I learned something for ya after getting my swap back together. If you are on stock injectors, you should DEFINATELY NOT BE ABOVE 12PSI!!!!! My car is pushing a 14:1 AFR at 6000 rpm. Its still around 12:1 at 5000rpm though. I am running 15 degrees base timing, but I am running fully home ported head, boport 1.9 cam(biggest I could get without having to have clearance machinework done), gutted upper, ported lower intake, that twin scroll header I showed you, HX-35, 46mm wastegate, and STOCK electronix. VAM and Injectors DONT cut it. I think I have the VAM maxed out just by the fact of what it is doing while watching the stuff inside while reving it in the driveway. It is half open with no load on it and making no boost with a WOT rev.