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Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 13, 2008, 08:56:30 AM
88 turbocoupe just finished. has the 2.3 turbo motor.everything has been redone basically. motor was checked over before build up and everything was good.  Head was ported, new valves, springs and guides and all that stuff.  Ranger roller cam with followers.  Intakes have been gutted and knife edged, felpro 1035 head gasket with new head bolts, stainless header with a dodge 5.9 diesel turbo also known as a holset, turbosmart external wastegate, custom downpipe to a 3" custom magnaflow exhaust exiting behind passenger rear tire, ranger rad, electric fan, custom intercooler piping that has been heat wrapped, volvo front mount intercooler, turbosmart boost controller set at 12lbs for now, body is in good shape but does have a couple spots that are starting to show.  Paint is great and shines really good.  Floors are in great shape since these things usually rotted out.  Has a 5 bolt swap using sn95 parts, 4 wheel disc brake with sn95 rear brakes, braided flex lines up front, 2000 gt rims with a 245/45/17 up front and a 275/45/17 in the rear.  Has 2000 gt suspension in it witch lowered it quite a bit.  Car pulls really hard at 3700rpm for its size and weight.interior is really good shape and blue/grey in colour,all power options work.  this car wasnt built to be pretty just to go fast
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I offered $4000 cash, and am waiting to see if he accepts it.  Is it worth it?
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: baxo on June 13, 2008, 11:17:26 AM
4000 cash, yeah I'd say so. That's pretty nice!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: dominator on June 13, 2008, 12:11:59 PM
I met that guy once ron,he asked me about my TC when i seen him at the local sunoco.
I think he owns or works at dream tire right near my work.
He used to have a twin turbo mustang and seems to build some decent rides.
I doubt he'll take 4000 but maybe a trade plus cash for the capri???
Seems well worth it even for what he's asking, as long as the body and floors are basically rust free.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: Blackout on June 13, 2008, 01:06:53 PM
Friggin Sweet. 

I'd go as high as 5K on that easy.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: V8Demon on June 13, 2008, 01:12:59 PM
Looks like a well put together ride...
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: GREYSHADOW on June 13, 2008, 01:46:46 PM
Thats a nice TC..
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 88FoxBird on June 13, 2008, 04:25:08 PM
Thats a nice TC. Out of curiosity did he replace the rod bolts with ARP ones? From what I understand that is one of the weak points on a TC bottom end.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 13, 2008, 04:25:21 PM
Quote
Thats a nice TC. Out of curiosity did he replace the rod bolts with ARP ones? From what I understand that is one of the weak points on a TC bottom end.


yes actually I believe he did, because he had one let go on him, that is why he redid the motor.
He'll give me a deal and give it to me for $4400....

Not sure if I should do it or not....  Found a really nice '88 5.0L Tbird on Kijiji that has never seen winters, with a body kit on it that I have never seen before....  half the price too.  I think I will grab that one, just waiting for them to return my call.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: dominator on June 13, 2008, 05:00:04 PM
Buy The Tc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 88FoxBird on June 13, 2008, 05:02:58 PM
Bah get the TC. You'll have alot more fun with it. Besides you already have a 5.0 lol.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: DVP on June 13, 2008, 09:14:41 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;223437
yes actually I believe he did, because he had one let go on him, that is why he redid the motor.
He'll give me a deal and give it to me for $4400....

Not sure if I should do it or not....  Found a really nice '88 5.0L Tbird on Kijiji that has never seen winters, with a body kit on it that I have never seen before....  half the price too.  I think I will grab that one, just waiting for them to return my call.


PICS of this 5.0 please.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 14, 2008, 02:46:39 AM
http://hamilton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-under-5K-1988-5-0-Litre-Ford-Thunderbird-W0QQAdIdZ56140320
here are pics of the 5.0L Bird^
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: Bob on June 14, 2008, 05:50:25 AM
I like the tc too, I was just thinking of painting my cougar that color yesterday.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: dominator on June 14, 2008, 10:10:39 AM
The 5.0L is nice as well but for the extra bit of dough the Tc is fully loaded and has alot of quality work done to it.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: DVP on June 14, 2008, 10:20:49 AM
You have the Capri with the 5.0 so why not get the TC with the 2.3 it will save a little gas.

Honestly I would try and get your blue Bird back if you want a 5.0 Bird again.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: HAVI on June 14, 2008, 10:32:08 AM
Lately at work, discussion has popped up about cars as investments.  Well we've talked about that several times, as most of my co-workers have GTO's, Coronet RT's, Caprices, Toronados, etc...  Every one of their cars has increased in value, despite them driving them, and using them....unlike stocks or money in a savings account.  That said, the Turbo Coupe has popped up as one of those future investments.  I'm the Ford guy of the bunch and I mentioned that most TC's are losing the 2.3T and are being replaced by 5.0's.  30 years from now, the 2.3T in original form is gonna be alot more valuable than a 5.0 TC.  How much do you think a Grand National will be worth with an engine swap?  It's a view of the forest thru the trees, and I'm on meds, but the idea is to keep the 2.3T in the car and enjoy it for what it is....a nicely done Turbo Coupe.

(As long as TC's continue to get 5.0 swaps, the rarer the 2.3T TC's become, which only increases the value even more down the road)

If I bought it, I'd leave the 2.3 in it, and have the Capri w/5.0 for the v8.  And then buy another car down the line, and another, and another, etc...lol

OK, I re-read this thread, and yes, I'd buy the 88TC in a heartbeat.  I would also make note of what kind of body kit the other car has, and do some research to what availability one would be and go from there.  Can't have too many cars, IMO.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 14, 2008, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: KRAZPNY
some interior shots as asked. couldnt get any good underneath shots due to it being low. but there isnt any holes. the only bad part is at the pinch welds where someone has obviously tried lifting the car with a jack at that point. so its a bit bent but other than that shes good.wld brd check your pm's
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Ok I sold the Capri, and that is how I came up with the $5000.  I just cant get over the sound of the four banger, and lack of instant torque like a HO has.  there is also another car I have been negotiating on and WILL be getting first if I can get him to come down abit in price....  It is worth WAY more then he is asking but I cant afford it, and he emailed and said he would drop to $5000 if I have cash on hand. (which I do...)  that one will be a treat for the CJ crew to see before I show the board though... if I get it.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 14, 2008, 07:05:10 PM
ok the guy accepted my offer on the other car, so it looks like I will be going with it....  the first ones to see it will be the people at CJ....
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: HAVI on June 14, 2008, 07:59:04 PM
IIRC, you said you had issues with getting the Capri insured, or something like that?  In that case, I guess selling it wasn't a bad option as that will get rid of any headaches.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: daboss351 on June 15, 2008, 12:44:06 AM
WHAT DID U BUY!! not fair...
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 15, 2008, 05:28:47 PM
K guys, after drinking and thinking all weekend, I decided to grab the TC.  so next weekend I have to go pick it up. $4200.  he just put a 255lph pump in it and an autometer air/fuel gauge and boost gauge
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: daboss351 on June 15, 2008, 05:48:02 PM
what was the other car??
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 15, 2008, 05:54:38 PM
86 Cougar with a Vortech supercharged 5.0L and 5 speed.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: V8Demon on June 15, 2008, 06:44:24 PM
Congrats!!!

You gonna keep this one?!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: HAVI on June 15, 2008, 07:10:55 PM
giving Sleeper a run for his money, lol.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 15, 2008, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;223676
Congrats!!!

You gonna keep this one?!


haha yeah, the wife really likes it, and she is the one that talked me into getting it.  I have some big plans for the car.  First goal will be to take it to the track and see if I can make it back onto the top 25 list...:hick:  then build a 5.0L for it... :mullet: :burnout:
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: daboss351 on June 15, 2008, 08:01:51 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;223679
haha yeah, the wife really likes it, and she is the one that talked me into getting it.  I have some big plans for the car.  First goal will be to take it to the track and see if I can make it back onto the top 25 list...:hick:  then build a 5.0L for it... :mullet: :burnout:


NOOOOOOO aw man really!!
and  that cougar would have been sweet!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: bhazard on June 15, 2008, 08:54:03 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;223679
then build a 5.0L for it... :mullet: :burnout:




Lame. $5 per gallon gas will be nice in a 5.0 by then huh?
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 15, 2008, 09:12:13 PM
LMAO, I knew that would stir up the whiners. LOL
yes the 4 bangers are lame. :flip:  I prefer my cars to sound good, not sound like a john deere, thanks.  and dont worry, I can afford the gas.... 

where do you live?  gas is already above that price here, now!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: bhazard on June 15, 2008, 09:31:59 PM
So why not just find a nice sport bird to do up a v8 in and leave the NICE tc's to the people that want a NICE TC?

Just sayin....its getting harder to come by a nice tc every day.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: HAVI on June 15, 2008, 09:37:34 PM
Quote from: bhazard;223690
So why not just find a nice sport bird to do up a v8 in and leave the NICE tc's to the people that want a NICE TC?

Just sayin....its getting harder to come by a nice tc every day.


that was my point all along.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: dominator on June 15, 2008, 09:38:53 PM
Cause nobody out here wants a TC or even knows what they are, and the guys that do sell them for an arm and a leg and nobody buys them.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: DVP on June 15, 2008, 09:43:22 PM
pics of the Cougar?
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on June 15, 2008, 09:55:03 PM
Quote from: HAVI;223513
most of my co-workers have GTO's, Coronet RT's, Caprices, Toronados, etc...  Every one of their cars has increased in value, despite them driving them, and using them....unlike stocks or money in a savings account.  That said, the Turbo Coupe has popped up as one of those future investments.  I'm the Ford guy of the bunch and I mentioned that most TC's are losing the 2.3T and are being replaced by 5.0's.  30 years from now, the 2.3T in original form is gonna be alot more valuable than a 5.0 TC.  How much do you think a Grand National will be worth with an engine swap? 

First off, if you ain't pumping some of your pay into a 401K(if avail), you're seriously fornicatekin' up...

As for a GN it will run rings around a TC and still be a daily driver... But most are to valuable to do so, just for that reason...

As far as saving them, I've saved my '69 428CJ Fairlane from the clutches of the Mustang crowd, who have gutted many for their drive trains... These cars are far rarer than a TC and mine is now worth on the north side of $25K... You think I'm worried about a TC that I paid $1200 for in '97??? Not likely...

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;223679
then build a 5.0L for it... :mullet: :burnout:

Gets my vote...
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: daboss351 on June 15, 2008, 10:01:06 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;223687
LMAO, I knew that would stir up the whiners. LOL
yes the 4 bangers are lame. :flip:  I prefer my cars to sound good, not sound like a john deere, thanks.  and dont worry, I can afford the gas.... 

where do you live?  gas is already above that price here, now!


hell id think about tradeing my stang for a turbo 4
i agree about the sound though
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: HAVI on June 15, 2008, 10:09:59 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;223699
But A GN will run rings around a TC and still be a daily driver... But most are to valuable to do so, just for that reason...

As far as saving them, I've saved my '69 428CJ Fairlane from the clutches of the Mustang crowd, who have gutted many for their drive trains... These cars are far rarer than a TC and mine is now worth on the north side of $25K... You think I'm worried about a TC that I paid $1200 for in '97??? Not likely
I'm not gonna argue with that.  30 years ago, I would have gutted a Fairlane for the drivetrain, too.
Would I do it today?...no.  Today I would gut a 2.3T for a 5.0.  30 years from now would a guy do it?  probably not.  That was my point.  Hardly any of us are thinking of these cars 30 years from now. That's just how it goes...we live for today.

These guys' 401K's are maxed out, but that money just sits there.  So they buy muscle cars and drive them cuz they feel they are getting use out of their money....with the ol' cliche...you can't take it with you.  Me?...Hell, I'm the poor man of the group, lol.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: protowrxs on June 15, 2008, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: bhazard;223690
So why not just find a nice sport bird to do up a v8 in and leave the NICE tc's to the people that want a NICE TC?

Just sayin....its getting harder to come by a nice tc every day.


Totally agreed.. there are plenty of regular birds out there that can have a 5.0 to go in a straight line - TC's should stay as TC's. Have you even heard the TC yet? They are not ricers for sure.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on June 15, 2008, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: HAVI;223710

These guys' 401K's are maxed out, but that money just sits there.


Hardly, if it's invested properly it's makin' more money... Course maybe not much at the moment as the stock market is a bit on the suckky side...  But even if say $250K is only making 3-4% a year, thats $7500-$10 grand... Plus many 401s are matched by the employer to 5% of your deposit, so that's 100% on your initial investment...
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on June 15, 2008, 10:30:19 PM
Quote from: protowrxs;223711
- TC's should stay as TC's.


:rollin: :rollin:  Hell with all the threads of the guys tryin' to swap 8.8" rears into their 5.0 Birds/Cougs, I believe it was probably  easier to swap the 5.0 into a car that already had a 8.8...

Mine will never have a 4cyl again as long as I own it...
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: HAVI on June 15, 2008, 10:34:43 PM
Our company matches up to 6%.  Last quarter I took a -8.6% hit.

Anyway, in our discussions at work, I wasn't agreeing with them to go out and buy a muscle car, just that for a poor guy like me now....the idea would be to buy something that has a potential to make money, and still enjoy it....I don't see a Corsica being of more value over a TC per se, lol.
  One guy bought a 69 Gran Prix for $5000.  He drives it alot.  According to blue book, it is worth more than $5000.  No loss there.  It will only increase in value over time as long as he doesn't wreck it, lol.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 15, 2008, 10:39:56 PM
I didnt say i WASNT going to keep it a TURBO coupe..... ;)  just going to double the amount of cylinders, and improve the sound and throttle response thats all. :evilgrin:
and as for starting with a V8?  if they came with the ABS and ARC I would...  I doubt it is easy to swap that stuff to a V8 model....
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on June 15, 2008, 10:41:33 PM
Quote from: HAVI;223722
Our company matches up to 6%.  Last quarter I took a -8.6% hit.
Hopefully the fund managers will buy low... Of course some are locked for a year, so you may still get hit... Main thing is don't sweat it, it'll come back...
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: HAVI on June 15, 2008, 10:46:28 PM
I'm not, I've got many more years before I can touch it without penalty.  Oh and FWIW, I did buy a TC and I'm putting a V8 in it, too. Mine just didn't come with any engine. I ain't saying what to do, and what not to do with a TC, it's not mine, but the overall consensus is how many TC's 30 years from now will remain untouched?  Obviously mine won't be one of them, lol.

Now only if my dad kept the ed Baracuda:rolleyes:
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 15, 2008, 11:08:03 PM
now if this was a bone stock un modifed lowmilage one?  yeah, dont touch it, but it isnt. this car was built to be enjoyed...  Im just going to make it suit my tastes
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: turboranger91 on June 16, 2008, 10:04:06 AM
that's a hell of a nice car.  you should get it.  the price is very fair.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 16, 2008, 10:18:56 AM
does anybody have any Idea what this thing should run?  or how much power it should be laying down?
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: dominator on June 16, 2008, 05:27:49 PM
Depends on the boost you run/is running.
That's a good size turbo on there so i'd have to say between 250-300hp at the flywheel.
Take her for a drive when ya get her and do the old seat of the pants feel.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 16, 2008, 05:40:15 PM
hey Chris We will have to get together for a photo shoot, and crash the burlington mall some time soon.  two real TC's there.  might bring some attention.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: Carpimp1987 on June 16, 2008, 05:41:15 PM
i know it would be well worth the money it looks like it should run okay depending on boost and traction the wheels look better on the TC than mine because of the darker color of the car. Nice Find
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: dominator on June 16, 2008, 08:06:06 PM
Did you get it yet????
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 16, 2008, 09:06:51 PM
next monday I will be going and picking it up.  should looked cool on my trailer LOL.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: GREYSHADOW on June 17, 2008, 02:02:05 AM
Congrats!!! I love that car!!!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 22, 2008, 09:50:56 PM
Well, she is home.  and I must say, I am not overly impressed by the power, (or should I say lack of...)  I gotta do somoething to make it faster, or sell it. :p

Needs some work, but definatly a solid start for a project....

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Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: booksix on June 22, 2008, 10:45:27 PM
Car looks great!  nice score.  As for swapping the 5.0.  All I have to say is, modding cars (the right way) is just as big as keeping them original.  I'm all about making the car what I want or what I think Ford whould have done and hopefully in the future my vision (when it finally gets done) will be just as valuable to some as a bone stocker is to others - and in some cases more.  In my mind, well, any joe-schmoe can put a car back to original by copying what the factory did but it takes more thought and creativity to hopefully make something original.  More than anything, it comes down to what's fun for me.  It's like arguing Chevy vs Ford.  The hardcore guys will never sway so I say just appreciate it for what it is...  If he wants to go 5.0, he will most likely go 5.0.  Awesome, hope he has a blast.  And if he bought it to keep it stock, I'd be 100% behind him for that too!  :D
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: turbo88 on June 22, 2008, 11:33:54 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;223687
LMAO, I knew that would stir up the whiners. LOL
yes the 4 bangers are lame. :flip:  I prefer my cars to sound good, not sound like a john deere, thanks.  and dont worry, I can afford the gas.... 

where do you live?  gas is already above that price here, now!

LEAVE THAT TC THE WAY IT IS!!! Anyone with a brain would. If you want to put a 5.0L in something don't waist your time putting it in a gorgeous fairly unmolested turbo coupe that has been modified to slay most fox body 5.0L anyways. And If your going to do build a motor build something with a little more prestige. The 5.0L thing has been done to many times.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: turbo88 on June 22, 2008, 11:35:04 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;224314
Well, she is home.  and I must say, I am not overly impressed by the power, (or should I say lack of...)  I gotta do somoething to make it faster, or sell it. :p

Needs some work, but definatly a solid start for a project....


Turn up the boost.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: quicksilver on June 23, 2008, 02:00:59 AM
i'd buy that car off your hands at the end of summer!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 32VFoxBird on June 23, 2008, 02:49:20 AM
Quote from: turbo88;224330
LEAVE THAT TC THE WAY IT IS!!! Anyone with a brain would. If you want to put a 5.0L in something don't waist your time putting it in a gorgeous fairly unmolested turbo coupe that has been modified to slay most fox body 5.0L anyways. And If your going to do build a motor build something with a little more prestige. The 5.0L thing has been done to many times.


:stupid:

and i think he should do a carb'd 5.4L. i might no someone who has one for sale. :D

/end shameless plug
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: dominator on June 23, 2008, 08:37:06 AM
I put a 5.0L in a under 100km unmolested TC and am happier than a pig in S**T as it has more power and is more reliable than an 2.3L turbo could ever be,(here comes the 2.3L vs 5.0L war LOL).
As stated above it's about personal preference,it's your car, do what will please you the most, not everybody else!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 23, 2008, 09:00:03 AM
Quote from: turbo88;224331
Turn up the boost.


just did, and it is still a dog! :flame:  the guy I bought it from said one full turn equals 1lbs of boost...  WRONG!!!  I went 2 full turns expecting 14lbs of boost, (from the 12lbs setting) I got over 20lbs!!  right now I have it set at 17lbs.  It pulls alot better, but it is still nothing special...
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...a gorgeous fairly unmolested turbo coupe that has been modified to slay most fox body 5.0L anyways.

LMAO yeah right, maybe grand marquise's...
it is far from "unmolested"....  the ride control is long gone, (2000 GT susnpension) and the abs doesnt work, (ran sn95 stuff and didnt hook it up... Chris we will be talking about that, as I want it working....)
and this car is FAR from mint, alot of interior trim pieces are broke....  I have a lot of work ahead of me.  The pics make it look good. needs a paint job too.  Dominator's is nicer then mine.

 it is DEFINATLY getting a 5.0L by summers end.  you wonder why so many people have swapped 5.0L's into things?????  IT WORKS!!!  plain and simple.  the 5.0L is a PROVEN realiable and POWERFUL motor, which is why so many people use it.  why would I want to swap in something that may not work well or be a nightmare to get up and running....  look at 32Vfoxbird's project... (no offense)  but he has been working on that swap since I joined this board and it is STILL nowheres close to being finished.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 23, 2008, 09:20:19 AM
some more pics for the purists...:
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/my%2088%20TC/DSC04624.jpg)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/my%2088%20TC/DSC04625.jpg)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/my%2088%20TC/DSC04626.jpg)
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: gumby on June 23, 2008, 12:58:36 PM
none of this will likely change your mind about a 5.0 and frankly it dont matter to me, but if you want to even try to make that car come alive i would suggest a few things:
the only advantage to a volvo IC is placement. they have plastic tanks and poor flowing cores.

i dont see a BPV or BOV listed or pictured. not having some sort of bypass will kill boost between shifts.

the ranger cam is really tame. its great in the fact that its a roller cam, and a cheap "upgrade," but adding an adjustable gear will really help that cam out alot.

anyone who has driven a big low end torque motor and a 2.3T back to back can attest to the fact that the 2.3T takes some gettin used to in order to see it perform. a good friend of mine and i went back to back rounds in norwalk, OH, swapping rides in between. he had a supercharged 4.0 97 ranger reg.cab. i had a 2.3T powered 89 ranger reg.cab.
first run i went 14.6 to his 14.8
swapped rides and i went 15.4 in his truck and he went 16.7 in mine! over two seconds lost to driving technique.


with the ported head and holset, it wouldnt hurt to get it tuned either...
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: turbo88 on June 23, 2008, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: dominator;224353
I put a 5.0L in a under 100km unmolested TC and am happier than a pig in S**T as it has more power and is more reliable than an 2.3L turbo could ever be,(here comes the 2.3L vs 5.0L war LOL).
As stated above it's about personal preference,it's your car, do what will please you the most, not everybody else!

Putting a 5.0L in a turbo coupe is like moving sideways. You just added 200 pounds in the front end of your car and gained no substantial power. What I am trying to say is 1wld brd's TC is probably making a conservative 250 at the flywheel. put in a bigger better Intercooler, healthier cam and he will have 300 at the flywheel. You'll have to build a fairly stout 5.0L to get 300hp out of it, so why take a step backwards? unless you've got lots of cash to wave around. I truly don't see any advantages, more low end torque is about it. But now you have more weight to carry, and you won't be going around corners the same again either. But it will sound like v8, but who cares?
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: turbo88 on June 23, 2008, 04:40:27 PM
Quote from: dominator;224353
it has more power and is more reliable than an 2.3L turbo could ever be,(


Says who? I know people who have had 5.0L's that lasted 50,000 miles, and I  know people who have had 2.3L's that lasted 50,000 miles. My old man drove his 1987 silver turbo coupe 300,000 Miles. Original turbo, master cylinder, even the brake calipers where all original (although getting to the end of the trail) the car still waxed a BMW 3 series from a light. That car got 36MPG going 75mph across Montana with 3 people and luggage, it never skipped a beat. Until its demise in 2002 when a DWA ran a red in front of the TC. It's all in how you drive the car and maintain the car.

The 2.3 is a stouter, stronger engine overall compared to a 5.0L. Jack Roush took that very engine in the early 80's and got 1000hp out of it in a mustang. It raced against v8 Chevys, Pontiac's, Fords ext. in the trans-am grid, and did well. The FIA rally cars of the 80's had 2.0L Pinto powered engines that pulled 780-850HP out of them, They accelerated faster than a F-1 car. They were banned because they were literally flying off the track.

Have you seen Project bolt-on?

http://www.stinger-performance.com/bolton.html

"The fact that the engine and transmission has over 320,000 miles on it and has never been rebuilt is testament to the strength of the 2.3 Turbo engines."

All this on the stock iron head, stock lower end and stock transmission and he runs 10's.

Ford Cosworth's over in Europe are making 800+ Hp on pump gas in the UK. and A friend of mine knows a fellow over there that goes 0-100MPH and back to 0 in one city block.

Fact is 2.3L,2.0L,2.5L turbo Ford engines are and always will be dependable and reliable. Some people have good experiences others have bad, Mine have been good.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: Tbird232ci on June 23, 2008, 04:52:54 PM
Let's not start a g match here. This could be a very educational thread, whether RJ wants to keep the 2.3L or not.

RJ, at Cat Jam, we'll swap cars. I think you're not impressed with the power for two main reasons. One is that the car isn't able to take full advantage of that turbo. Those Holsets come alive at 25psi, which is what they're intended use is. They come off of cummins Dodge pickup trucks. To run that much PSI, you need a tune, larger injectors, and some other airflow mods. The other reason is that you really haven't learned to drive it all that well. I'm not going to try to trash talk your driving, but these things need a different outlook on driving.

I have less work done to mine, and on the street, I'm able to run door-to-door with 13.0 cars. You have a better platform, you just need the tuning and some other support mods.

We'll talk at CatJam.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 23, 2008, 05:05:47 PM
I do think it is capable of running well in the 13's, as it sits...  (if the  intercooler pipe will saty ON!)  and the more I drive it, the better it is starting to feel....  as for my driving....  I KNOW how to drive one...  just everytime I shift under boost (powershifting) it pops the intercooler tubes....  :(

I will take your guys' advice on things to try with this, 2.3L  just to see what is up with it...  but it will still get the 5.0L..... 

So where are the best places to get a better intercooler, BPV, and adjustable cam from?  I am interested in learning something new, so once I fix all the bugs in this I will swap out the 2.3L, if I am still not impressed...
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: gumby on June 23, 2008, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;224386
 
So where are the best places to get a better intercooler, BPV, and adjustable cam from?

an isuzu NPR intercooler should drop in place of that volvo w/o needing to even change the IC piping.
what kind of clamps are on the couplers? if they are not T-bolt clamps, get some! if they are t-bolts and still popping off, try some hairspray on the pipe before you assemble them, or put small tack welds around the end of the pipe.

i run an Race Engineering adjustable cam gear. really though, they are  all basically the same. either key way type, which you hafta remove to adjust, or two piece which you can adjust on the car.

i havent looked at BPVs for a long time. ive been runnin a Bailey BOV for years....40bob used to sell forge valves, he still might.

edit* yup still got em
http://www.40bob.com/
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: turbo88 on June 23, 2008, 06:16:02 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;224386
I do think it is capable of running well in the 13's, as it sits...  (if the  intercooler pipe will saty ON!)  and the more I drive it, the better it is starting to feel....  as for my driving....  I KNOW how to drive one...  just everytime I shift under boost (powershifting) it pops the intercooler tubes....  :(

I will take your guys' advice on things to try with this, 2.3L  just to see what is up with it...  but it will still get the 5.0L..... 

So where are the best places to get a better intercooler, BPV, and adjustable cam from?  I am interested in learning something new, so once I fix all the bugs in this I will swap out the 2.3L, if I am still not impressed...

If you really want a good intercooler and BPV (the Forge Motorsport Fast Closed Loop Diverter Valve is the one you want) you can either try

http://www.maxpsiracing.com/Fordturbointercooler.asp
or
http://www.stinger-performance.com/
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 24, 2008, 08:07:58 PM
Ok I just got back from a test drive after welding a bead all the way around the tube.  hasn't budged yet.  now Im happy :D
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: Carl on June 24, 2008, 10:06:18 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;224516
Ok I just got back from a test drive after welding a bead all the way around the tube.  hasn't budged yet.  now Im happy :D


Faster?
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: daboss351 on June 24, 2008, 10:42:32 PM
must be since he can power shift it without loseing his boost!!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: kingcars on June 24, 2008, 11:29:47 PM
As for the 5.0 vs 2.3 discussion:

My Tbird's 5.0 runs amazing and has 150k on it.  The only time the car has ever left us stranded was when the original alternator gave out.  And judging by my 1/4mi time, it's still putting out great power.

My dad used to run an N/A 2.3 at the local circle track, which was puttin out ~200hp.  The engine was put through 4 seasons with my dad with no problems, and another 7 or so with a friend of his who he gave the engine to after he left racing.  Last we heard, it was still going strong.

Both engines are great, and when built well, will last a long time.  Of course there will be a fair share of 5.0s and 2.3s that will have a huge list of problems, give out after less than 50k, etc etc.  But that goes for ANY engine out there.  It's just part of the hobby.

As for the project at hand, I'm glad you're going to try out the 2.3 first.  As much as I love 5.0s and all American V8s for that matter, I always like to have an open mind for different things.  Who knows, maybe a well built/tuned 2.3 just might float your boat more than you expect.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 25, 2008, 12:43:07 AM
Quote from: Carl;224530
Faster?


it's definatley alot better.  still a dog compare to my Capri though. :toilet:

I think I will run it at the track tomorrow and see what she does.:punchballs:
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: Tbird232ci on June 25, 2008, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;224547
it's definatley alot better.  still a dog compare to my Capri though. :toilet:

I think I will run it at the track tomorrow and see what she does.:punchballs:

Drop a few hundred pounds, and it probably wouldn't be that far off from the capri.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: DVP on June 25, 2008, 08:43:49 PM
5.0... 2.3... same arguement different car... In the end he will do what he wants and will have his opinion on the 2.3 vs the 5.0. I am on the 2.3 side this time but i like my 5.0.

No one complains about 5 lug swaps...
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on June 26, 2008, 11:06:29 PM
Quote from: cougar86_89;224635
No one complains about 5 lug swaps...


Cause 4 lug sucks!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: fordguy545 on June 27, 2008, 11:17:10 PM
does that car have the stinger header on it?  cause it looks like stingers IC piping.  I have my car torn apart right now doing the hx35 with a custom header and ported everything.  Also got a boport 1.9 cam in the new head too.  Unfortunately I will be running it off the stock computer and injectors for catjam because my bamafuel(megasquirt) setup still hasnt come.  It would be interesting to compare how much different our cars are in drivability, lol
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: DVP on June 28, 2008, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;224801
Cause 4 lug sucks!


And People can say the same thing about 2.3Ts
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: turbo88 on June 28, 2008, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: cougar86_89;225034
And People can say the same thing about 2.3Ts


:flip:
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on June 28, 2008, 10:08:20 PM
Quote from: cougar86_89;225034
And People can say the same thing about 2.3Ts



Sure can same for the block splitting 5 liters
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on June 28, 2008, 11:40:06 PM
Quote from: turbo88;224376
Putting a 5.0L in a turbo coupe is like moving sideways. You just added 200 pounds in the front end of your car and gained no substantial power.

Bull shiznit!!!

A carbed, iron headed 5.0 with cast exhaust and intake manifolds weighs approx 470 lbs(per Ford)... A fully dressed 2.3T in the neighborhood of 380... Bout all you can get rid of on the 2.3 is the exhaust manifold... While we 5.0 guys can run aluminum heads intake and tube headers(and I do)... So in reality there is maybe 50 lbs difference... Plus IF one wants to run a automatic(again I do), a 5.0 is the only way to go(OK I gotta give you a weight advantage with the T-5 now maybe 100lbs)... Yeah you can run a C4 behind the 2.3, but doesn't do anything for a good gear(3.73-4.56)on the highway...
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: DVP on June 28, 2008, 11:58:37 PM
Quote from: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87;225101
Sure can same for the block splitting 5 liters


Im not on either side here. I love my 5.0 but I cant judge a 2.3T cause the only one i drove was on its last leg and an auto. All Im saying is no matter what anyone says it always ends up the same, they do what they want. I want the 2.3 to stay in the car on this one but if RJ does swap it then atleast it will be a good swap and the car will still live on. It isnt like things can never go back to 2.3
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: daboss351 on June 29, 2008, 12:01:35 AM
my dad had a stock one with a 5 speed
when the boost came in that thing took off like a freight train.
i mean it gave my 351 mustang a run for its money
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: HAVI on June 29, 2008, 12:14:38 AM
Torque first!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: gumby on June 29, 2008, 12:20:20 AM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;225108
A carbed, iron headed 5.0 with cast exhaust and intake manifolds weighs approx 470 lbs(per Ford)... A fully dressed 2.3T in the neighborhood of 380... Bout all you can get rid of on the 2.3 is the exhaust manifold... While we 5.0 guys can run aluminum heads intake and tube headers(and I do)... So in reality there is maybe 50 lbs difference... Plus IF one wants to run a automatic(again I do), a 5.0 is the only way to go(OK I gotta give you a weight advantage with the T-5 now maybe 100lbs)... Yeah you can run a C4 behind the 2.3, but doesn't do anything for a good gear(3.73-4.56)on the highway...
no doubt that on a scale there is not much actual difference in total weight, but the weight of a 2.3T is placed better(down and back). still not enough to justify a 200lbs claim, im just sayin ;)
and FWIW, there are aluminum head options and bell housing adapter plates available for the 2.3T as well.





any results from the track yet?
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 29, 2008, 06:58:24 AM
Quote from: daboss351;225114
my dad had a stock one with a 5 speed
when the boost came in that thing took off like a freight train.
i mean it gave my 351 mustang a run for its money


yeah WHEN boost finally comes on, they move out OK.  mine has around 300hp, (going by what everybody that plays with these 2.3's has told me) and it is a dog off the line.  I got beat by an old mini cooper til the boost finally kicked in.  and yes I know you gotta abuse the clutch to leave hard.  sorry I cant afford to change clutches all the time, no revving and dumping for me.  this thing I rev it up to 3500, and dump the clutch and the thing bogs and barely spins til the boost finally kicks in.  kinda embarassing. LOL.  I miss takeing off nice and easy and sliding sideways at 40kms/h in the Capri.

Time to start aquiring some swap parts.  :flip: :toilet: to the 2.3L
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any results from the track yet?

nah, havent hit the track yet.  waiting for my EI to kick in so I can afford to go.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: fordguy545 on June 29, 2008, 01:04:13 PM
I think yours does have the stinger header.  That won't make boost early like a twin scroll header that you would have to build.  Thats why I built mine.  I should be able to get almost full boost around 2800, at least thats what Ive read on turboford.org :burnout:  Edit: you may want to check your timing too.  When I got my turbo coupe, it still had the IHI, but it was really slow.  went 15.8 @ 86.  Checked it, it only had 5 deg withthe spout out.  Moved it to 14. stock is 10.  Next run after that went 14.97@90.9.  the holset may want more timing but dont know yet, lol.  mines still apart
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 29, 2008, 01:05:44 PM
how did you build yours?  let me know how it works for you.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on June 29, 2008, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;225129
yeah WHEN boost finally comes on, they move out OK.  mine has around 300hp, (going by what everybody that plays with these 2.3's has told me) and it is a dog off the line.  I got beat by an old mini cooper til the boost finally kicked in.  and yes I know you gotta abuse the clutch to leave hard.  sorry I cant afford to change clutches all the time, no revving and dumping for me.  this thing I rev it up to 3500, and dump the clutch and the thing bogs and barely spins til the boost finally kicks in.  kinda embarassing. LOL.  I miss takeing off nice and easy and sliding sideways at 40kms/h in the Capri.

Time to start aquiring some swap parts.  :flip: :toilet: to the 2.3L

nah, havent hit the track yet.  waiting for my EI to kick in so I can afford to go.


3,500 aint gonna cut it with a holset trust me..

get a 2 step on it and wire it iin the cutch pedal switch but a 4,500 pill it in leave with some boost.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: DerikWayne on June 30, 2008, 01:47:37 AM
I have to say, that's a pretty sweet ride there! I even like the wheels!
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 30, 2008, 03:13:09 PM
Thanks Derik, I should have it at CJ this year.  unless it fails the E test, then I wont be able to get it plated it in time.
Title: Bought a modified '88 Turbo Coupe
Post by: fordguy545 on June 30, 2008, 06:30:02 PM
A twin scroll is a paired header where 1+4 go in one side of the turbo and 2+3 go in the other.  You might have a problem though.  your turbine housing may be ground out.  Actually maybe not because you do have a extenal gate dont you.  I did quite a bit of research on turbo ford before deciding what route to go with it.  heres a couple pics though
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/Fordguy545/motor%20stuff/SNV30269.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/Fordguy545/motor%20stuff/SNV30270.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/Fordguy545/motor%20stuff/SNV30288.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/Fordguy545/motor%20stuff/SNV30278.jpg)