I know bikes get very good mileage, but you guys need to conserve as well...
(http://mysite.verizon.net/a35z5gta/zbike.jpg)
Tom
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Post by: mercury-man on June 10, 2008, 11:15:19 AM
Thanks, Tom you don't happen to have a "Road Runner" like the one in the old cartoons lying around do you? He didn't require any fuel at all. LOL :poke:
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Post by: MexCougar on June 10, 2008, 12:20:06 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;222853
For you guys up north...
(http://mysite.verizon.net/a35z5gta/zmusher.jpg)
Mr. Carm in his Volvo !! :D :D :D
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 10, 2008, 12:32:28 PM
No, if it was my Volvo smoke would be pouring out of the dogs' asses...
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Post by: Blackout on June 10, 2008, 02:29:13 PM
Lol!!!!
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Post by: vinnietbird on June 10, 2008, 04:28:43 PM
I'll tell you what I'm doing,paying a fortune for gas.That's what I'm doing.
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Post by: 85bird on June 10, 2008, 04:48:01 PM
:bangtbird:
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Post by: GREYSHADOW on June 10, 2008, 06:48:33 PM
LMAO....
Lookin at it... Internet is a lot cheaper then GAS.
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Post by: Beau on June 10, 2008, 07:26:10 PM
I'm eating beans and boiled eggs, farting in jars and 1-gallon milk jugs...and tweaking my eec and whatnot to run on methane...
ain't this some crazy shiznit (pun intended)... gas is 3.73/gallon here right now...it's nuts.
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Post by: Red Spar on June 10, 2008, 07:35:02 PM
Quote from: FordTruckFreeek;222942
gas is 3.73/gallon here right now...it's nuts.
Hell that is dirt cheap... Gas is $4.30 a gallon here in the Seattle area. :punchballs:
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Post by: cougarXLS on June 10, 2008, 07:54:40 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;222918
I'll tell you what I'm doing,paying a fortune for gas.That's what I'm doing.
x2
I'm just waiting for when it finally decides to kill me.
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on June 10, 2008, 07:58:34 PM
Just watching Kudlow & Co on CNBC... Had a guy on there predicting oil will fall to $50 a barrel...
While I doubt it, sure would be nice...
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Post by: cougarXLS on June 10, 2008, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;222951
Just watching Kudlow & Co on CNBC... Had a guy on there predicting oil will fall to $50 a barrel...
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Post by: Tbird232ci on June 10, 2008, 08:03:44 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;222951
Just watching Kudlow & Co on CNBC... Had a guy on there predicting oil will fall to $50 a barrel...
While I doubt it, sure would be nice...
Doesn't mean the prices would drop.
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Post by: Carl on June 10, 2008, 08:19:03 PM
I'm getting a motorcycle soon.
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Post by: daminc on June 10, 2008, 08:53:49 PM
I have to charge my customers more per week. My van uses about $160 plus a week. Averages 6 mpg. fully loaded. and if it's windy, about 4 mpg
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 10, 2008, 08:55:15 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;222953
Doesn't mean the prices would drop.
Funny, innit? Some hack says on Friday that it'll hit $150, so the speculators jump all over it and push the price up almost $11. On Tuesday another hack says it'll hit $50 and the speculators ignore him. Guess we know who the speculators are rooting for...
Oh, and it's at about $5.25/gallon here...
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Post by: 1WLD BRD on June 10, 2008, 10:13:01 PM
I put my gas guzzling Capri on the road and am burning as much fuel as I can while I can still afford it... (http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/1985%20Capri/th_MOV04440.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/1985%20Capri/?action=view¤t=MOV04440.flv)
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Post by: 85bird on June 10, 2008, 10:15:21 PM
oh shiznit. LOL. Put 'er in neutral and coast baby.
Quote from: daminc;222956
I have to charge my customers more per week. My van uses about $160 plus a week. Averages 6 mpg. fully loaded. and if it's windy, about 4 mpg
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Post by: Red Spar on June 10, 2008, 10:16:33 PM
Read this by Matt Savinar: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html
I have heard this guy speak on the radio, and he seems to know what he is talking about. It's very sobering... Most of you are too young to remember the 70's oil crises and gas rationing. It CAN happen.
We might all want to start buying bicycles soon. :mad:
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on June 10, 2008, 10:40:49 PM
Quote from: Red Spar;222973
Read this by Matt Savinar: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html
I have heard this guy speak on the radio, and he seems to know what he is talking about. It's very sobering... Most of you are too young to remember the 70's oil crises and gas rationing. It CAN happen.
We might all want to start buying bicycles soon. :mad:
Where do you people come up with all this junk????
Sure we may be in a oil pinch(and I was there in '73)... Although they are way overdue, there are alternatives being developed... You really think we won't have at least a few of these in place by 20whenever???
More doomsdayer's trying to make a buck...
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Post by: Red Spar on June 10, 2008, 10:46:42 PM
How were you there in '73 when your profile says you were born April 22, 1990?!?!
I figured some people would say it was just gloom and doom. But hey, people thought the Roman empire would last forever too.. ;)
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Post by: amooset on June 11, 2008, 01:27:03 AM
I have read similar articles, just as long, just as well cited, on the converse side of the issue claiming we have more than 100 years of oil left... I myself haven't picked a side between the two. I'm just going to live my life and deal with things as they come.
Oh, and to respond to the actual thread topic - I'm desperately trying to find a turbo coupe in good condition. ~20 mpg's beats the 15-16 I'm getting now.
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Post by: Tbirdmaniac on June 11, 2008, 01:36:27 AM
Yesterday the gaz raised at $6.82/Gallon (1.51/Liter), What a !!!.
But the gaz price caused the end of My econoline, I sed the truck 3 weeks ago (eat too much fuel), and I rebuilted a little 3 cylinder Firefly a friend donated to Me over a month ago (changed the motor, body repair, ect, ect), and it's really a funny car, absolutely not expensive on gaz (45-50mpg), reliable, and fun to drive.
I use My thunderbird ONLY when I go here and here in the weekend, otherwise I use My "new" 1991 3cyl Firefly :D
Dom.
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Post by: stuntmannick on June 11, 2008, 05:09:04 AM
Quote from: Red Spar;222973
Read this by Matt Savinar: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html
I have heard this guy speak on the radio, and he seems to know what he is talking about. It's very sobering... Most of you are too young to remember the 70's oil crises and gas rationing. It CAN happen.
We might all want to start buying bicycles soon. :mad:
google petrodollar. If you look at how that happened, and how nixon ended the bretton woods agreement, and the "fuel crisis" that followed afterward, a lot of things start making sense.
Oil is the only think keeping the dollar from falling to the euro. Things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better.
p.s. some say we have more than 250 years worth of oil (based on our current consumption rate) on our own soil.
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Post by: irv on June 11, 2008, 07:47:49 AM
im 1/4 mile from my shop.have ridden a bicycle for 28 years. we also have 2 honda metropolitan 49cc scooters. when its not raining[ha ha] we use the motor cycle[vtx -45 mpg]. dont know what the cougar will do on the road, weve only driven it about 200 miles since bought. it has been a little over 20 so far. gas is 4.10 today[nw ill.]
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on June 11, 2008, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: Red Spar;222983
How were you there in '73 when your profile says you were born April 22, 1990?!?!
Lied about my age... :D I have kids born in '71 & '74...
I was well into my 20s in '73 and yes I set in gas lines filling up(or buying what they'd allow us to have)...
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Post by: theredlineboss on June 11, 2008, 08:39:49 AM
I'm just paying the price right now. I have cut back on my driving (outside o' the daily commute) by going to stores closer to my home or...just not going out.
Also, I'm glad that my Vic is getting good fuel economy right now; it's been averaging a little under 21MPG since the warm weather returned. It may not seem *that* great, but I've seen this car's fuel economy as low as 12.5MPG, so...I'm quite thankful. :D
-Rob
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Post by: thunderjet302 on June 11, 2008, 07:32:26 PM
Been driving my 95 alot this summer. Boo. But when gas for the fox is between $4.30-$4.60 a gallon for 93 ya do what ya have to do :hick:
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Post by: Quietleaf on June 11, 2008, 07:39:36 PM
Make sure your tires are properly inflated (doubly important in the rain!!!), take it *easy* accelerating, don't tailgate in traffic; it's more efficient to give yourself enough room to slow down rather than tap the brakes because you're too close. I had to learn all these tricks when I got my Explorer -- it makes the T-Bird look downright efficient by comparison. When I'm low on gas and drive the Explorer in "low consumption mode" it makes a HUGE difference, though it can be maddening when I really want to get somewhere. I found that having a tach really helps since I can roughly gauge my fuel consumption better with the tach needle than with the speedo.
Cars are going to have to shed weight in the years to come. For example, the Toyota Camry has gained a lot of size and weight in the last 16-17 years. I choose this as an example because there are so many on the road. One reason our cars are so efficient is that they're so light (and another is because they sacrifice a LOT of hp to gain low-end torque).
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Post by: 20th anny 5.o on June 11, 2008, 08:29:26 PM
Im drivig the 99 with the 2.5 and not caring much about prices.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 11, 2008, 08:37:22 PM
I'm driving the shiznitbox 1.9-liter Saturn in all its 100 horsepower glory. Let me tell you, when the A/C compressor kicks in on a 100-horsepower car you feel it. Still, with its 2200-lb weight and 5-speed it's not too bad. The 40-45 MPG certainly makes it easier to tolerate :hick:
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Post by: EricCoolCats on June 11, 2008, 09:02:15 PM
I fill up the Mountaineer once a month (work close to home). Gas prices really don't affect me much for that vehicle, and considering that I only drive in the city, I'm actually getting better fuel economy with an SUV than any of the previous daily driver Fox cars. Go figure.
But coupled with another car ('84) plus a vehicle that requires premium unleaded (convertible)...yeah, it can suck. I'm just careful to overlap when I fill up, that's all. Not as painful that way.
On the highway... Mountaineer - 22mpg (with full time AWD, a roof rack, trailer hitch, 136K miles and in need of a tune-up...not frickin' bad!) '84 Cougar - between 25-40 mpg (V6, 107K, no overdrive) '86 Cougar - don't know, don't care!
It's all in the way you drive and how you use 'em. I can afford a toy (convertible) so it all works out.
Unfortunately there's no way that I can ride a bike to work, due to a very large hill and no safe way to transport my laptop. Plus I don't trust people in cars. :hick: Never got into motorcycles...like my 4 wheels on the ground, thankyouverymuch. ;)
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Post by: HAVI on June 11, 2008, 09:18:04 PM
Gas is $3.99 a gallon for the cheap stuff. I drive the Jeep GC when the weather is bad @ 15 mpg. 85 miles everyday to and from work. I drive the Saturn SC2 @32 mpg when the weather is good. (bald tires, py wipers, gets blown around in the wind, etc...) Lucky for me, the weather has been py everyday this year so far. Today we have a windchill of 30F. It has rained everyday this month, that's 11 days straight. My yard is a river, and the grass is nearly 15" tall. Our home furnaces are still kicking on. My buddy's propane tank had to get another 100 gal. @ $2.99 per. Most all the guys at work who have fuel oil, have paid more each month for heating than their mortgage payment. And that was this last winter, how do ya think they'll do it this coming winter. You can't give away a corn burning stove anymore. It's no wonder every other house along the North S of Lake Superior has a realty sign in the yard.
As for me, I work 10 hours of OT every week to make ends meet these days: gas, food, heating, etc...
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Post by: daminc on June 11, 2008, 09:19:59 PM
This is not aerodynamic. nothing like pushing a box through the air, with an extra ton of weight inside. the floor liner alone weighs about 120 lbs. I'm about ready to quit and get a job at the local hardware store. I'd probably make out money ahead at the end of the year.
I'm done, I feel better now. LOL (http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee79/daminc/my%20old%20cars/IMG_2905.jpg)
edit: Gas is $4.21 for regular BTW--- 40 gal to fill it
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Post by: nirvanagod on June 11, 2008, 10:12:26 PM
I take a jar of this stuff with me when ever I head to the gas station (It helps offset the pain of shoving the nozzle up my ass).
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Post by: 1BadBird on June 11, 2008, 10:20:19 PM
Quote from: nirvanagod;223144
I take a jar of this stuff with me when ever I head to the gas station (It helps offset the pain of shoving the nozzle up my ass).
I'd like to get a motorcycle to ride back and forth, but I cherish my life and a bicycle is really out of the question :punchballs:
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Post by: freakaftr8 on June 11, 2008, 10:32:14 PM
Oh man do I feel your pain! Gas in the NE part of Taxifornia gas is $4.55 g cheapest in town. Between my 88 TC and my wifes 04 V6 Mustang were doing ok, have to fill the cars up every 2 weeks due to alot of hills and grades here. This week was roughly $200 for our fillups. The good thing, I work in a machine shop and the lube is cheap! lol
Quote from: nirvanagod;223144
I take a jar of this stuff with me when ever I head to the gas station (It helps offset the pain of shoving the nozzle up my ass).
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 11, 2008, 10:32:32 PM
Quote from: HAVI;223128
Gas is $3.99 a gallon for the cheap stuff. I drive the Jeep GC when the weather is bad @ 15 mpg. 85 miles everyday to and from work. I drive the Saturn SC2 @32 mpg when the weather is good. (bald tires, py wipers, gets blown around in the wind, etc...) Lucky for me, the weather has been py everyday this year so far. Today we have a windchill of 30F. It has rained everyday this month, that's 11 days straight. My yard is a river, and the grass is nearly 15" tall. Our home furnaces are still kicking on. My buddy's propane tank had to get another 100 gal. @ $2.99 per. Most all the guys at work who have fuel oil, have paid more each month for heating than their mortgage payment. And that was this last winter, how do ya think they'll do it this coming winter. You can't give away a corn burning stove anymore. It's no wonder every other house along the North S of Lake Superior has a realty sign in the yard.
As for me, I work 10 hours of OT every week to make ends meet these days: gas, food, heating, etc...
That's why wood heat is nice. I bought 10 gallons of furnace oil last October, just enough to make sure there was some there if the wood fire went out overnight, and it's pretty much all still in the tank. I did burn about 8 cords of wood, though, at $150 per cord.
I'm hoping to supplement the wood/oil furnace this year with a simple wood stove. I am betting it would burn half as much wood, and it'd be WAY safer (I just can't be comfortable with a fire burning in the basp00get in a 40-year-old furnace).
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Post by: daminc on June 11, 2008, 10:47:24 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;223151
That's why wood heat is nice. I bought 10 gallons of furnace oil last October, just enough to make sure there was some there if the wood fire went out overnight, and it's pretty much all still in the tank. I did burn about 8 cords of wood, though, at $150 per cord.
I'm hoping to supplement the wood/oil furnace this year with a simple wood stove. I am betting it would burn half as much wood, and it'd be WAY safer (I just can't be comfortable with a fire burning in the basp00get in a 40-year-old furnace).
I've never been so glad to live in Buffalo before. Heating was pretty nice this year. I went to Lowes and got 20 bags of insulation to blow in the attic. $100 for the insulation saved me about $100 a month in gas bills. hopefully the fireplace will go in soon. I give away tons of s wood every year.
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Post by: HAVI on June 11, 2008, 11:10:41 PM
As an aside to the original topic, I moved from the py old trailer with woodstove into my new place across the driveway this last Nov....in-floor heat with electric boiler. Ended up being cheaper than buying wood, and then there's the cut, split, stack, etc...
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Post by: daminc on June 11, 2008, 11:21:52 PM
radiant heat is the best for money saving. but anyway, I want to know why cargo vans aren't made to run on batteries while city driving. did anyone ever notice how many vans there are driving around all day long. I'd buy one first chance I got, if they made one. There's tons of space to put batteries and not use any cargo space.
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Post by: HAVI on June 11, 2008, 11:31:26 PM
They do. Phoenix Motorcars Inc. They even had a street rod production back when they first started out, but soon moved into the fleet suplly in CA. http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/index.php
suckamps EV racing is another
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Post by: daminc on June 12, 2008, 07:55:27 AM
nobody ever does that to a full size van. :mad:
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Post by: 83-88T-Bird Guy on June 12, 2008, 04:18:09 PM
All I can say is as a gearhead, I am bummed that I won't get to enjoy going to the track as much. Strangely enough, our favorite track is closed due to forclosure but hopefully it will open next year.
Looks like the guzzler 460 will come out of the Turbo Coupe and I will build the car to drive 70 miles to the track.
Just as well, as I was getting tired of wearing out my trailer.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 12, 2008, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: daminc;223198
nobody ever does that to a full size van. :mad:
Get yourself one of those Dodge (Mercedes) Sprinters :hick: It's not electric or hybrid, but with its 5-cylinder turbodiesel it's way more efficient than the Econoline or Savanna. It was developed for Europe, where fuel is about double what it is in the USA.
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Post by: daminc on June 12, 2008, 07:13:12 PM
I've been looking at those. You can stand up in them too. I just hate Dodge though. I may have to give in. I'll have to put a mercedes front on it.
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Post by: HAVI on June 12, 2008, 11:06:48 PM
Quote from: daminc;223288
I've been looking at those. You can stand up in them too. I just hate Dodge though. I may have to give in. I'll have to put a mercedes front on it.
ON the FTE truck site I am on, one guy put a Mercedes turbodiesel in his 54 F100. He can roast the tires, and still get 25 mpg in city....I'm kinda jealous.
Oh, and he put the MB emblem on the grille, lol.
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Post by: V8Demon on June 13, 2008, 12:12:04 AM
Quote
Get yourself one of those Dodge (Mercedes) Sprinters
AHHHH, the Official Terrorist transport....
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Post by: Masejoer on June 13, 2008, 12:19:15 AM
I'm driving around an s-series Saturn, similar to Carm's but with a whopping 124hp. I got 38mpg on the usual trip up to Seattle last weekend, using 3.7 gallons of gas. The 30mpg commute is where it's at though - saves me 50% on gas over the T-Bird.
For reference, the T-Bird uses 4.6-4.7 gallons of gas for the same trip above and ~3 gallons for commutes every day.
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Post by: AtroXR7 on June 13, 2008, 12:22:05 AM
we have those sprinters @ work. they get 24 mpg as for nick and gas prices... i balance between 17mpg in the untuned dohc cat, and about 43mpg on the fz6
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Post by: jpc647 on June 13, 2008, 01:11:32 AM
Vinny, I second that. I just got gas at $4.15 for regular. Who wants to march (I mean march because gas would cost too much) to Washington and remove Mr. Bush from power?
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Post by: AtroXR7 on June 13, 2008, 04:35:21 AM
remove bush from power... do you realize all the jokers that are trying to replace him right now wanna put an extra $1.50 tax on every gallon?
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Post by: AtroXR7 on June 13, 2008, 04:37:37 AM
remove bush from power... do you realize all the jokers that are trying to replace him right now wanna put an extra $1.50 tax on every gallon? and they wanna tax the hell out of american oil companies because they make an 8% profit margin... just for reference, the beer companies make an average of 10%
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on June 13, 2008, 08:27:18 AM
The Prez, has nothing to do with gas prices...
You guys need to study global economics...
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 13, 2008, 08:30:12 AM
Quote from: AtroXR7;223358
remove bush from power... do you realize all the jokers that are trying to replace him right now wanna put an extra $1.50 tax on every gallon? and they wanna tax the hell out of american oil companies because they make an 8% profit margin... just for reference, the beer companies make an average of 10%
I'm no fan of Bush, but I agree that he isn't to blame for this mess. The world oil crisis is going to spell disaster for just about every incumbent leader of every country in the world. The people are looking at them as sitting back and doing nothing while we get raped by arabs. Whether it's true or not is open to debate, but the people will see it that way and show their displeasure at the voting booths...
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 13, 2008, 10:12:20 AM
Wow, typical devolution of a thread! Started out with some funny pictures which I enjoyed, then everyone started keying off of the title and discussing their own mileage issues, now it's devolved into talking about politics & the failed Texas oil man.
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Post by: EricCoolCats on June 13, 2008, 10:38:38 AM
The point is, the energy dilemma is not going away. We've lived pretty nicely up until last year, when the prices started going up (insert your blame here), and now they keep going up with really no hint of ever coming back down to previous levels. This is a reality check that's long overdue. It's going to force everyone to make better decisions for the long term--something most people are not used to doing nowadays--according to their driving patterns. For my personal situation, I don't drive much anymore so gas prices don't affect me like they do for others. Sadly, I probably put more pollution in the air from my riding lawnmower once a week, than I do in my weekly commutes in an SUV. :hick: Still, I'm a responsible member of society and will continue to do my part in trying to use less fuel. I still don't like looking at a gas pump, even if it is once every four weeks.
There are some promising developments for future fuels, though. Once company is making fuel from trash...they put their estimated street pricing at around a dollar a gallon. Think about the implications: we get rid of trash AND make cheap fuel. So far they're only in the experimental phase but hope to get product up and running in the next few years. I'm thinking about buying stock...
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 13, 2008, 11:07:30 AM
Yep, make the right gamble on a future energy technology and you'll have fuel for life!!
There are literally dozens of emerging technology companies vying for a stake in the now lucrative market (gasoline prices have passed the magical threshold where alternatives will be less expensive in high volume.) Funny thing is, the oil companies buy what they think are the most promising and will still be players in the market going forward.
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Post by: Red Spar on June 13, 2008, 12:06:23 PM
I just really worry what this is going to do to the aftermarket performance industry and hot rods and performance cars in general. :(
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Post by: oldraven on June 13, 2008, 12:19:19 PM
The US alone drove 11Billion miles less last month than they did a year ago. The same for Canadians, but not nearly as drastic of a change. This is the only change that will really make a difference in oil prices.
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Post by: AtroXR7 on June 13, 2008, 05:10:10 PM
dont worry, SEMA will take care of the aftermarket industry. They have very strong pull.
The global warming hoax is killing this planet. Did you guys know the production of a prius makes so much more carbon dioxide that you would need to drive a regular econobox 100,000 miles just to even it up? We're stuck under severe disinformation and marketing ploys right now. I'm all for helping the environment folks, but national governments are destroying the world economy. Think 4 bux a gallon is bad? we'll see 5 this summer, and most likely 8 by next summer from all the predictions ive read. Its time to buckle down and kick the EPA out of the way.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 13, 2008, 05:42:40 PM
So the Prius, the global warming hoax and the governments/EPA are responsible for the FREE MARKET bidding up oil prices?
What planet do you live on?
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Post by: AtroXR7 on June 14, 2008, 11:57:59 AM
a consumer driven planet. Im sorry if I implied that any of those things are responsible for oil prices, they are not. Oil has become the "new gold" for the market. If there is a sure fire way to make money in the market, people are gonna take it no matter what it does to everyone else. OPEC has a strangle hold on production and they're sitting fat right now. The EPA prevents us from starting our own production which empowers OPEC. If it weren't for this noose around our necks, the free market wouldnt keep pumping the oil prices. But still thats only a small part of the problem. I cant remember the exact breakdown per gallon of gas, but I believe the federal government gets around 14 times what the oil companies do. So when you have a small problem on resource pricing, Everyone that takes a percentage increases the damage to the consumer at an exponential rate. Thats why we're looking at the probability of seeing not just a $1 jump in one year, but a $4 jump in a year next.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 14, 2008, 02:38:51 PM
Here is the price of gasoline in California - the most taxed gasoline as far as I know - when the ignorant ****ing moron took office:
State and local get their cut, but the oil companies are still setting record profits for all time for any corporation in any business ever in the history of the world. Don't try to make this something it isn't.
Title: What R U doing during these record gas prices?
Post by: HAVI on June 14, 2008, 05:06:35 PM
How much fuel does it take for a ship to deliver all of those foreign cars?
Title: What R U doing during these record gas prices?
Post by: oldraven on June 14, 2008, 05:52:14 PM
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Yep, make the right gamble on a future energy technology and you'll have fuel for life!!
There are literally dozens of emerging technology companies vying for a stake in the now lucrative market (gasoline prices have passed the magical threshold where alternatives will be less expensive in high volume.) Funny thing is, the oil companies buy what they think are the most promising and will still be players in the market going forward.
One really promising source is algae. They can make Ethanol and recently a green fuel with properties identical to gasoline, (no new technology means cheaper cars, right?).
Take the CO2=GW part with a grain of salt, but at 1:13 the mountain scene is Lake Moraine, near Lake Louise in Alberta. It used to be on the back of the Canadian $20. A pic from about seven years ago. (http://"http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/oldraven/Lac_Moraine_1.jpg")
Oil just made enemies out of the entire world. Corn is making them just as fast, though. :hick: Brazil gets along great with their Sugar cane Ethanol. PEI is talking about using Sugar Beets now, which might not be bad, since there likely won't be any deforestation, even if there is still farming involved.
Title: What R U doing during these record gas prices?
Post by: AtroXR7 on June 15, 2008, 04:08:49 AM
In the end I'm blaming the media, not the president, mass hysteria from the media has help drive the dollar into the ground, your charts are kinda worthless unless they're cross referenced to dollar value.
Ever seen the acetylene dual fuels they came out with? They've run the system on just about any type of engine and they out preform gasoline's efficiency by like 70%.
But personally i dont think alternative fuels are the way to go yet. Obviously solar is best but not a full answer. Electric cars would be perfect if we could line the grid with nuclear powerhouses. And its certainly been proven that electric cars can go fast, just not far. I think in the end that'll be the solution. We'll drive to work and dock with recharging booth parking spaces. Maybe they'll even have a free power system that lets anyone draw power freely, but you car will log the power it has taken in and report it via satellite to an OBD-VI station that sends you a bill for usage. If people want all this ultra eco friendly stuff, big brother will be in full effect. Especially if our country chooses the path of socialism.
"highly pollutant nitrates" Im not a biochemist, but plants use nitrates and a macro-nutrient... its not a pollutant... nitrites on the other hand are. This is where I disagree with the GW thing. It lists co2 and nitrates and a few others as global killers, but these are all the same things i buy and inject into my planted aquarium for astonishing growth. I think as these levels rise to "dangerous levels" we'll see a boom in plant life on the planet and everything will balance out, just like it has for millions of year. Also why havent we banned the use of CO2 based products if its such a problem... ie... fountain soda, dry ice...
Title: What R U doing during these record gas prices?
Post by: AtroXR7 on June 15, 2008, 04:27:00 AM
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How much fuel does it take for a ship to deliver all of those foreign cars?
im not sure if its a MOST yet, but many foreign cars are built in the states. where as ford has a lot done in mexico via NAFTA and GM and DC have resorted to resetting the unions to cut costs.
Title: What R U doing during these record gas prices?
Post by: oldraven on June 16, 2008, 07:39:14 AM
The Unions had to be reeled in. The only thing we need to worry about is drastically reducing fuel consumption. Do that, and CO2 output will decline anyway. Everybody's happy.
If you've got a few bucks to invest, try to find something involved with the research and production of new battery technologies. We'll know we've made it when we have a battery that can stay charged for 20hrs of use. (more time driving than you would ever need before stopping for the night)