A car driven by an alleged drunken driver plowed into a bicycle race along a highway near the U.S.-Mexico border Sunday, killing one cyclist and injuring 10 others.
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Post by: Beau on June 03, 2008, 04:10:12 PM
...stupid fvcks who drink and then drive...IF the driver was drinking that is...
Another needless tragedy.
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Post by: cougar1car on June 03, 2008, 04:22:19 PM
Holy $hit is all about I can muster up at this point...... People who drink and drive should get alot worse punshments then jail time IMO.
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Post by: baxo on June 03, 2008, 04:33:29 PM
What the **** kind of morbid news do you american's have to even show an "in action" picture like that? I mean, It's bad that it happened but to actually show it? that's a whole different level of messed up.
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Post by: Beau on June 03, 2008, 04:35:42 PM
i dont want to sound hypocritical, and we ALL know someone or have drank and drove...but face it, a human life, (and maybe your own) is NOT worth it...call a cab, a friend, or have a DD.
I'm going to become a father this fall, and the thought that someone under the influence could take that all away really me off.
This is gonna go off topic for a sec, but I've changed a lot of things in my life, I don't drink very much anymore, let alone drive after. I always wear my seatbelt now, and just try to take a few less risks. Cut way down on my soda, I feel better than I have in a long time...because I want to see my child grow up.
My point: someone under the influence of alcohol or whatever could take everything away from any of us..be smart.
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Post by: V8Demon on June 03, 2008, 04:48:59 PM
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What the **** kind of morbid news do you american's have to even show an "in action" picture like that?
That's not the worst.....
On 9/11, Live TV footage was shown (and re-shown for a couple of days) of people jumping from the WTC towers in desparation to avoid death by smoke inhalation. These people were jumping from 50+ stories up.
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Post by: baxo on June 03, 2008, 04:51:45 PM
Yeah, that's a shame. It's all about trying to put the "fear" into people. Oh well, it ain't my problem I guess
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Post by: JeremyB on June 03, 2008, 05:46:53 PM
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What the **** kind of morbid news do you american's have to even show an "in action" picture like that? I mean, It's bad that it happened but to actually show it? that's a whole different level of messed up.
Same as British (http://"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023813/Pictured-Shocking-moment-drunk-driver-ploughed-group-cyclists.html") and Australian (http://"http://www.scopical.com.au/articles/News/World/6402/Sleeping_driver_ploughs_into_bike_race") news I suppose.
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Post by: Blackout on June 03, 2008, 06:51:26 PM
BOOM headshot!!!
He got you there.....
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Post by: *MAYHEM* on June 03, 2008, 07:25:06 PM
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Yeah, that's a shame. It's all about trying to put the "fear" into people. Oh well, it ain't my problem I guess
No, unfortunately putting the fear into people has little to do with why the media publishes things like this. Fact is, it's what sells newspapers, and commercial time on TV. And that is money, pure and simple.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on June 03, 2008, 07:48:25 PM
It's basically a version of rubbernecking, and we all do it. When people see car accidents they always stare at the wreckage (and sometimes, bodies). The more smashed up the cars involved, the better. Humans are kinda sick like that...
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Post by: bhazard on June 03, 2008, 10:41:56 PM
Its just the truth, thats all.
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Post by: jcassity on June 03, 2008, 11:27:51 PM
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What the **** kind of morbid news do you american's have to even show an "in action" picture like that? I mean, It's bad that it happened but to actually show it? that's a whole different level of messed up.
x2 as my first words,, how dare you on here post that pic.
then reality kicks in and it really doesnt matter i guess.
Ive seen enough death to suit me for a life time. The problem with the pic is that one of those in the photo is the dead guy.
As for the twin towers,, I really think the media was in the serious wrong for showing that. These things people should never experience as "addional information" unless they have no choice in the matter.
The truth of the matter is,,,,,, The thread title told me what to expect so its my own fault for looking.
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Post by: Beau on June 04, 2008, 12:09:45 AM
remember the morbidity when it's someone you know...
quit bitching and whining about whatever it is that has all your panties wadded up..and realize that on saturday night cable you can see simulated violence nearly as bad as that pic ..yeah...it's made in a hollywood basp00get, but it doesn't mean some 8 year old wouldn't be scared by it all the same.
take it as i think it was intended....as a lesson not to drink and drive! and lighten up...pretty much all news is basically "shock factor"..Carm was right in his post.
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Post by: Carl on June 04, 2008, 12:31:55 AM
I knew they were talking about raising border security but that's going to far.
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Post by: ZondaC12 on June 04, 2008, 12:33:13 AM
Sheesh thats a Marq that's like runing over a mouse with a Peterbilt 379. Unbelievable. I too would like to know how that shot was obtained. Must have been someone just was in the right (well wrong) place at the right time.
Disgusting. Shoot the make 100% sure he cant harm anyone else ever. :mad: :disappoin :shakehead
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Post by: turbo88 on June 04, 2008, 12:50:39 AM
looks like something out of gta4. unfortunately its real.
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Post by: Carpimp1987 on June 04, 2008, 01:06:42 AM
Good thing i got me some DOT 3 brake fuild the other day otherwise i almost felt like i could do that sober but good news the car stops great now.
Its a sad world and why do people try and mix 2 good things i don't drink but most people who do like it i do drive and race cars which i really like but 2 good things together makes for really bad things to happen sometimes.
Its really bad about the death but i hope the 10 people hurt will be mostly okay.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 04, 2008, 02:00:10 AM
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What the **** kind of morbid news do you american's have to even show an "in action" picture like that? I mean, It's bad that it happened but to actually show it? that's a whole different level of messed up.
I agree - this is disgusting.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 04, 2008, 02:16:04 AM
Oh, and not to be a kill-joy or anything, but one of my 2 brothers washiznit and killed by a car directly 5 feet in front of me. I saw the whole thing in slow motion.
I was 11 years old when it happened, but I still can't discuss it without tearing up. I'm 46 now.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 04, 2008, 08:22:33 AM
I'm glad I skipped over the picture as soon as it started loading. I had a brother killed in a hit and run 6 years ago and it's still pretty fresh for me. I could have done without seeing the photo.
I don't even watch the news anymore, I can't stand to see all the violence and morbid things they put on it. It's like people thrive on that stuff. I can do without it, thanks.
I do feel bad for the families of the victims here though. No one should have to go through that.
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Post by: V8Demon on June 04, 2008, 10:31:15 AM
The point was about a horrific accident. The pic was to prove the point. In the interest of good faith I have now removed it.
For the members here who have lost loved ones you have my condolences.
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It's basically a version of rubbernecking, and we all do it. When people see car accidents they always stare at the wreckage (and sometimes, bodies). The more smashed up the cars involved, the better. Humans are kinda sick like that...
Yup. Everybody wants to get a closer look.....You know how hard it is to get people to turn around after you close a road at a huge accident where there is someone under a yellow blanket that can't be moved because the crime scene unit has to come and investigate the accident?
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The truth of the matter is,,,,,, The thread title told me what to expect so its my own fault for looking.
See, I was gonna put an NSFW in the title, but that wouldn't be correct......I was hoping the way the title was worded that the message would be conveyed. I've adjusted it a little.
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on saturday night cable you can see simulated violence nearly as bad as that pic ..yeah...it's made in a hollywood basp00get, but it doesn't mean some 8 year old wouldn't be scared by it all the same.
take it as i think it was intended....as a lesson not to drink and drive! ...pretty much all news is basically "shock factor"..Carm was right in his post.
And that pretty much sums it up. Again my condolensces to the people who have lost loved ones to traffic accidents.
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As for the twin towers,, I really think the media was in the serious wrong for showing that. These things people should never experience as "addional information" unless they have no choice in the matter.
With the amount of it in the media since the early '90's, I would have to say a great deal of people don't hold that sentiment....
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 04, 2008, 10:46:29 AM
No problem Paul... seriously, I just skipped over it when I saw it was an actual photo of the scene. I simply scrolled down to the rest of the story/posts. Thanks though. Although it is morbid to see, I can understand your point of showing it. It shows the reality of the situation. When people watch movies or tv, the see violent scenes but in the end, they know it is all stunt people and everyone goes home at the end of the day...no one is really killed. Reality is that there are times when people are killed and can't go home afterward. It's a reality people need to be reminded of sometimes.... to remember what drinking and driving can do. It shows them that those who are killed or injured aren't the only victims. They have families who will never see them again. Families who are affected every single day by someone's decision to drink and then get behind the wheel and drive. It's a conscious thing that is done, it's not just an 'accident'. You have full control over whether or not you drink and then drive afterward.
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You know how hard it is to get people to turn around after you close a road at a huge accident where there is someone under a yellow blanket that can't be moved because the crime scene unit has to come and investigate the accident?
I know how hard it is on the officers responding along with the firemen who have to clean up afterward. Many need counseling after seeing things like this. In my brother's case, he could only be identified by his tattoos. The funeral home wouldn't even let the family view his body, he was cremated immediately after autopsy. The funeral director is a good friend of the family so he handled everything for us. The firemen who cleaned up were also friends of the family. they had no idea who he was until later and it really struck them hard... many had to go through counseling for a long time.
Don't feel bad for showing the realities of drinking and driving.... people need to see it so they can truly understand what happens.
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Post by: 5.0willgo on June 04, 2008, 10:50:35 AM
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With the amount of it in the media since the early '90's, I would have to say a great deal of people don't hold that sentiment....
Fully agree. I didn't see anything wrong with what the media showed on 9-11. It was nothing compared to what the media showed during the Vietnam War in the 60's and 70's. If anything, the media has shown fewer "horrid" images over the past two decades making the 9-11 footage appear much more despicable.
This bicycle incident is a tragedy. To be honest, I am amazed and glad that only one person was killed. Like most things, this could have been much worse.
My condolences go to those on here who've had loved ones taken by careless drivers as well.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 04, 2008, 12:00:33 PM
Surely we all have the curiosity when the street is closed. The intersection/section of road at the end of my street has seen 3 people die in the last 2 years. After one of the accidents, I walked to the end of my street and saw someone up in a bucket truck near the tree-tops and I asked what they were doing. "Looking for the body" they said.
This last time a 2008 Corvette was trying to pass a slower driver and apparently wasn't patient enough to see that someone was coming from the other direction (my guess based on the skid-marks in the pic below.) The driver was killed on the scene, but his wife was hardly hurt (tree just beyond end of skid marks)
I just don't care for the actual bodies flying and seeing the twisting of the bodies. I've seen several people die in the city where I grew up and I remember in the early days of the internet looking at morbid accident pictures that left me with PTSD for weeks afterwards they were so gross. If you want, I can post pictures of "brainslide" or some of the ones soldiers snuck out of Iraq - some might wanna puke though. Seeing a car hitting people on a road also had the personal memory I decribed above.
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Post by: Beau on June 04, 2008, 01:48:07 PM
I watched one of the beheading videos online when that shiznit was going on...i slept very little for quite a few days...
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Post by: LJS30 on June 04, 2008, 01:54:48 PM
I would much rather have a media which shows the public images of what is really going on in life rather then what's filtered through censorship. Showing people jumping out of WTC is reality, and sometimes reality isn't pretty or cute. Reality is what I want to see on the news, not filtered like I'm some 5 year old child.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 04, 2008, 02:04:51 PM
Yep, and I want my 11 year old daughter to come in the room while I am watching the news and see that too so she can be terrified to death and not sleep for days. :hick:
Would have been a riot if she was watching CNN with me when the family that didn't speak English (because they were Iraqi - duh!) and rolled slowly up to ask about the road block and were unloaded on by two soldiers with machine guns a blazing. Don't worry TayTay, they were just women and children - they have no worth over there any way!
You know which one was the coolest though - remember when that guy took over the highway ramp in California? He put a shutgun in his mouth and we all got to see his brain go flying across the roadway after he put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger. No now that was cool! :)
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Post by: GREYSHADOW on June 04, 2008, 04:52:28 PM
And thats exactly why when I pull a drunk, (I'm a cop remember LOL) I have ZERO tollerence, patients, sympathy.
It's jail!! Period.
It's amazing that there is no social class that wont do this stupid sh@t.
I've arrested poor people and guys/girls driving $100k cars for DUI.
Makes me sick.
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Post by: Carpimp1987 on June 04, 2008, 11:27:49 PM
keep me the good work to many nice cars get hit and messed up with drinking and people to.
Also sorry about my post and the fact some of you have had to deal with this in real life and i am sure its a bad feeling when its that close to you.
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Post by: vinnietbird on June 04, 2008, 11:42:27 PM
As for the Twin Towers opinion from jcasstiy,We NEED to see those clips so we,as a nation,don't forget what can happen when we don't pay attention.It's horrible,ugly,uncomfortable,,and sickening,but,it's necessary.Some things need to be remembered and seen.Sometimes there's more at stake than just unsettling feelings.After all that happened on 911,people WANT to forget and "move on",which,puts us at serious risk for the same thing (or worse) to happen again.To many people are so concerned with how things will make their feelings hurt,or how things make them uncomfortable,that is one of the major reasons everything around us is falling apart.We can't live and be functional if everyone tries to sterilize everything so everyone will have the appearance of comfort and happiness while the rest of the world around us falls to pieces..
Sorry for the rant.
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Post by: jcassity on June 05, 2008, 12:26:23 AM
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As for the Twin Towers opinion from jcasstiy,.
the twin towers ice was not broken by me,, it was brought up by someone else and i expanded on it.
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Post by: V8Demon on June 05, 2008, 12:44:33 AM
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the twin towers ice was not broken by me,, it was brought up by someone else and i expanded on it.
I brought it up WITHOUT posting an opinion. You stated yours. Vinnie countered your specific post ;)
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Post by: Carl on June 05, 2008, 12:50:29 AM
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sheesh people....
I had an aunt that I was very close to killed instantly by a vehicle and that picture did not bother me at all. I mean some people take things different ways but ....
I have seen far worse gore pics online when I did not want to and I guess that pic was not really all that bad.
Sorry for all of your losses but it's not like V8Demon was trying to hurt anyones feelings.
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Post by: jcassity on June 05, 2008, 12:51:31 AM
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I brought it up WITHOUT posting an opinion. You stated yours. Vinnie countered your specific post ;)
this is true:D
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 05, 2008, 12:54:55 AM
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Sorry for all of your losses but it's not like V8Demon was trying to hurt anyones feelings.
Your opinion has been duly noted :rollin:
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Post by: LJS30 on June 05, 2008, 12:59:16 AM
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As for the Twin Towers opinion from jcasstiy,We NEED to see those clips so we,as a nation,don't forget what can happen when we don't pay attention.It's horrible,ugly,uncomfortable,,and sickening,but,it's necessary.Some things need to be remembered and seen.Sometimes there's more at stake than just unsettling feelings.After all that happened on 911,people WANT to forget and "move on",which,puts us at serious risk for the same thing (or worse) to happen again.To many people are so concerned with how things will make their feelings hurt,or how things make them uncomfortable,that is one of the major reasons everything around us is falling apart.We can't live and be functional if everyone tries to sterilize everything so everyone will have the appearance of comfort and happiness while the rest of the world around us falls to pieces..
Sorry for the rant.
I concur. As for the comment about a child walking in and seeing the photo of the bike race. Well I'm not a parent, however I am a school teacher. I show this movie called "Invisible Children" about the crimes being committed against the children in the Northern Uganda region. This movie is a documentary that shows REAL DEAD BODIES. Why do I show this and have complete parent permission? Because kids need to, under a controlled atmosphere, see the realities of REAL life. Granted these are older children, however it's up to the parent to be the censor, not the media in every situation. Watch your kids, talk to them, monitor their television, explain to them the images they see on television news. But please do not impose your standards on the rest of us by imposing strict censorship that goes down to even a photo of a tragic situation at a bike rally. You as the parent are resonsible for shielding your child in the manner you deem fit. Not the media by having extremist censorship.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 05, 2008, 01:04:40 AM
Nobody who felt it was excessive and unnecessary has used the word censorship.
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Post by: LJS30 on June 05, 2008, 01:08:53 AM
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Nobody who felt it was excessive and unnecessary has used the word censorship.
Perhaps not directly but in my opinion the statements regarding the media in regards to WTC is a step from censorship.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 05, 2008, 01:14:38 AM
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I concur. As for the comment about a child walking in and seeing the photo of the bike race. Well I'm not a parent, however I am a school teacher. I show this movie called "Invisible Children" about the crimes being committed against the children in the Northern Uganda region. This movie is a documentary that shows REAL DEAD BODIES. Why do I show this and have complete parent permission? Because kids need to, under a controlled atmosphere, see the realities of REAL life. Granted these are older children, however it's up to the parent to be the censor, not the media in every situation. Watch your kids, talk to them, monitor their television, explain to them the images they see on television news. But please do not impose your standards on the rest of us by imposing strict censorship that goes down to even a photo of a tragic situation at a bike rally. You as the parent are resonsible for shielding your child in the manner you deem fit. Not the media by having extremist censorship.
Where did you mention the Trade Center in this post?
You were directly implying that I was "imposing" censorship since I mentioned my kids.
Stick to your guns - don't be a sally-wagon when confronted.
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Post by: LJS30 on June 05, 2008, 01:27:25 AM
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Where did you mention the Trade Center in this post?
You were directly implying that I was "imposing" censorship since I mentioned my kids.
Stick to your guns - don't be a cooch when confronted.
Being a what? Wow, where in hell did that come from? Well if you want to turn it nasty then let's do this. Being what you just called me would be if we were arguing in real life and I backed down from a physical confrontation from you, which I assure you would never happen. Don't use that kind of on me man. Save that kind of talk, which I am sure you don't want your kids to see, right? Save that for your buddies or individuals you can intimidate, not me.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 05, 2008, 01:33:02 AM
Lol - nice reaction. Doh!
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Post by: LJS30 on June 05, 2008, 01:34:48 AM
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Lol - nice reaction. Doh!
:asshole: :asshole:
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 05, 2008, 01:35:53 AM
and your point is...? :evilgrin:
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Post by: LJS30 on June 05, 2008, 01:41:18 AM
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and your point is...? :evilgrin:
The point is you're talking about your kids being traumatized by a picture yet you're using language which is obviously offensive. Amazing, truly amazing. However typical though of the type of parenting I must deal with everyday. No wonder.
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Post by: Carl on June 05, 2008, 01:42:23 AM
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 05, 2008, 01:49:43 AM
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The point is you're talking about your kids being traumatized by a picture yet you're using language which is obviously offensive. Amazing, truly amazing. However typical though of the type of parenting I must deal with everyday. No wonder.
My original post was the rememberance of my brother being hit and killed in a car accident actually - it gave me personal trauma seeing people flying through the air as I also saw my brother fly through the air after he washiznit (he was only 9).
I was careful not to have the kids see the people jumping out of the Trade Center as they were only 5 & 6 years old at the time and would not have understood anyway and may have been traumatized.
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Post by: Carl on June 05, 2008, 01:53:52 AM
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Post by: LJS30 on June 05, 2008, 01:56:30 AM
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My original post was the rememberance of my brother being hit and killed in a car accident actually - it gave me personal trauma seeing people flying through the air as I also saw my brother fly through the air after he washiznit (he was only 9).
I was careful not to have the kids see the people jumping out of the Trade Center as they were only 5 & 6 years old at the time and would not have understood anyway and may have been traumatized.
Cool, but that is a personal experience you had which should not apply to the rest of us. If you can't take it, which I can understand, then fine, don't view it. However, remember, not all of us have had the same experiences thus we don't truly see the offensive nature of that picture. As for WTC, that is a personal choice that you made and rightly so. Good, you did what YOU think is best for YOUR children. Fine, good, excellent. However trust me man, six year old kids understand what occurred if explained properly. In fact, I was at a middle school working and had to explain some of the images seen on television. The kids handled it fine and actually learned alot about the world and expressed their views in an intelligent manner. The media should not and does not have to cater to every personal sense of discretion held by every individual.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 05, 2008, 02:03:32 AM
Don't assume I didn't explain WTC to my children as I am the parent and that is MY job, not some corporate shill. I also explained why I took the picture of the skid marks (they were in the car). They NEED to know this stuff as it is reality. Heck, my mother and ex-wife and girlfriend ALL can't stand to see pictures on the news - so they simply don't watch it - their choice. There are many many forums that don't allow death shots though - so it's up to the management. Then there is taking into consideration the WHOLE community and not just your own personal viewpoint.
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Post by: LJS30 on June 05, 2008, 02:12:36 AM
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Don't assume I didn't explain WTC to my children as I am the parent and that is MY job, not some corporate shill. I also explained why I took the picture of the skid marks (they were in the car). They NEED to know this stuff as it is reality. Heck, my mother and ex-wife and girlfriend ALL can't stand to see pictures on the news - so they simply don't watch it - their choice. There are many many forums that don't allow death shots though - so it's up to the management. Then there is taking into consideration the WHOLE community and not just your own personal viewpoint.
Okay, so then a vote should be cast to see how many people found that shot offensive. Because of course as you stated, it's a WHOLE community, not just your own personal trauma and issues. Correct?
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 05, 2008, 02:33:14 AM
Not my point at all. I never suggested he remove it - not my style. I'm generally not into censorship - self-censorship should be all that's ever needed with a good group of people who share a common interest and who care about the community as a whole. Others that I agreed with may have suggested it be removed - I don't recall. I thought it was unnecessary and it reminded me of a personal trauma - and said so. I hope it's OK to tell people here that you don't agree with something they have posted. I didn't expect to see this here - I know where to go when I want to see pics like that. It's my choice to put people on ignore and that is how I usually deal with excessively off-topic and provocative posters. The person who showed a falling person after I described my brother flying through the air when he was killed is, you guessed it, on ignore. You make arguments in your defense which is cool with me - I'm rather enjoying having an actual discussion on the topic versus name calling, though name calling has it's place too :D
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Post by: V8Demon on June 05, 2008, 02:36:56 AM
I've voiced MY opinion on THIS a few times.....If it's not derogatory or threatening (or lewd for purposes of this board), it's fair game.
FWIW I don't feel the way I posted originally was any of the 3. I did take into account as to how some others felt and reeled it in a bit. Hindsight says I should have done so from the outset.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on June 05, 2008, 02:46:10 AM
Quote from: V8Demon;222152
I've voiced MY opinion on THIS a few times.....If it's not derogatory or threatening (or lewd for purposes of this board), it's fair game.
FWIW I don't feel the way I posted originally was any of the 3. I did take into account as to how some others felt and reeled it in a bit. Hindsight says I should have done so from the outset.
I thought you handled it just fine actually. The thread has now morphed into a broader discussion on censorship though - please don't take it personal. I will say that there are many things one can do that are not technically illegal (repeatedly scratching your crotch in public for instance), but some may think it's objectionable and steer a wide berth around you.
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Post by: LittleAngel1198 on June 05, 2008, 07:21:13 AM
LJS, I don't think Paul removed the picture because anyone 'called' for it. He did it out of kindness to those of us who were effected by it. It was his choice to do so. There's a difference.
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Post by: LJS30 on June 05, 2008, 09:11:15 AM
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LJS, I don't think Paul removed the picture because anyone 'called' for it. He did it out of kindness to those of us who were effected by it. It was his choice to do so. There's a difference.
Fine, however this topic went off course when Cougar 5.0 found the need to bring out language, which if I'm not mistaken, is definately not appropriate on this board. Am I mistaken?
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Post by: EricCoolCats on June 05, 2008, 09:21:22 AM
Actually the whole thread is off topic. Things got ugly overnight... :locked: