I started this restoration project and can not complete it and have since moved. It's a 1982 Mustang it is badged SS (the name used before they switched to GT that year) IT DOES NOT RUN. All the numbers match and as far as I know I am the second owner. All the parts are there to complete the project. It has new exhaust, brakes. The motor needs rebuilding and the body work needs to be completed. I Will listen to offers close to $1500.00. I have many orginal documents.
Looking at the pics below and having never heard of this I would off the bat say [SIZE="7"]BS[/SIZE]
Many of the people on the other forum were in agreement over that. It was deduced that perhaps he was confusing the car with some of the early Special Service cars http://www.sspmustang.org/index.htm http://www.mustangregistry.org/lx_79_82.htm One person shot him an e-mail over this SS issue to which the seller replied:
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This Is NOT an Chips car. Chips did not get their cars until production was well under way. They were L hatch backs and sedans with police package equipment. I don't know where you get your information from but the GT was orginally called SS "Super Stallion" The cars got held at the dealers because Ford was sued first by GM then by the Jewish defence league over the name. I was a Ford zone manager during this time and when Ford gave up fighting they changed the name to GT in the field. We were given a change over kit for each car in our Zone. In this kit was a marony lable, two decals. We were instructed to remove the SS emblem off the deck lid and the glove box door and replace them with GT decals. This car is one such car. In Fact it came from a dealer in my old route. It was orginally built as an SS and I started to restore the car to original lost my job and ran out of money. The SS emblems are genunine and I have the ford part numbers and and envelope they came in to prove it. I also have the Part numbers for the Chips package emblems and decals and they are not the same. There is only one Ford History book that I know of in print that mentions the name change. I have various proof as to what I am saying. I have only met a hand full of people from around the globe that remember the law suit and the field change over. I know of one other car that was just sold to a guy in Texas. The previous owners dad was the Dearborn plant manager at the time and was given one of the first 200 off the line. It is black and has only about 20G on the clock. I have photos of the documents if you would liek to see them. The first 200 SS were made week 2 Nov 1981 and week 2 Dec 1981. The next 2000 SS were made week 2 and 3 of Jan 1982 and week 1 and 2 of Februaly 1982 This car was one of the last built. Starting March 1982 the dark red color was introduced prior to that the car only came in Silver and Black. When production started in March a ra raised plastic GT emblem was available for the car and used. The GT decal still listed under decals in Ford parts books. The SS emblem is listed under early 1982 emblems listings. If you read the Original Ford CHIP package content list you will see what the package included and the body used. The orginal 5 hatchbacks were never placeed into Chips service. They were sales demos to spike interest in police package Mustangs. As far as I know there were part of the 20 or so Mustang "SS" demo models Fords had in their posession. These 20 or so cars were job 1 prototypes from the Dearborn pilot plant. This plant builds all cars first to iron out assebly issues before actual production begins around the globe. Those cars were the forunners to the Job 1 SS production which were the ones that had the GT name change over. Being prototypes they should have been destroyed as are the rest of the prototypes as they are just that prototypes and not regular production vehicles. Many don't even have full Vin tags.
As of my posting this, he has shown none of these documents or stated what the supposed Ford part # are. Can anyone with historical Ford knowledge shed insight into this? It's just a bit too early for me. In 1982 I was 6.
Title: Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No?
Post by: oldraven on April 29, 2008, 02:29:31 PM
That SS badge looks like it came directly off a late 60's early 70's Chevrolet. I this guy is really good at fabricating stories that the rest of the world conveniently can't recall. Otherwise, full of shiznit. Who really knows, though? Does that look like any other kind of badging Ford was using in '82?
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Post by: Chuck W on April 29, 2008, 02:35:13 PM
The "SS" is legit, but this car is not legit to be one...
The guy just refuses to take any new , GOOD pics to back up his story.
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on April 29, 2008, 02:52:15 PM
Interesting...
...funny how the guy's story is correct, but the car isn't legit.
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Post by: V8Demon on April 30, 2008, 12:37:17 PM
A second e-mail has come from the seller of this car:
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See here is the thing I really don't want to sell it. However I can not aford to ship it and my mom wants it gone. My heart and gut tell me one thing, (No don't sell it) and my common sence and my mother say another. Keep in mind Im 57 and my mom is 85. Neither is getting any younger. I want to see the car restored. If I can not do anything else with it I will give it to the Ford Museum in Dearborn. My plan now is to put any old 302 in it box up the original motor and save it just to get it here in Nebraska. As Diesel prices go up the cost of shipping a non running car goes up as well. I have looked into Uhaul's etc and it would cost over 3G to get the car here. So there it sits. To make my mom feel better I have placed ads to sell it. Note that I am not placeing ads that cost anything. It created quite a good still last time as well and I received several letters calling it a fake and several that know of the car and the story that worked at Ford in some capacity at the time. Back in 1982 when it all happened no one at Ford gave it a second thought. From time to time we would have to correct some issue in the field the same way. In 1983 it was the Fairmont and the LTD2 some LTD2 were badged Fairmont on one side and Ltd on the other. Some Merc Monarch had Granada emblem or Ford on them instead of Mercury. I carried a little vile of emblem adhesive remover and a eye dropper in my Ford brief case. These type of things just happened from time to time. It was not until a bealer in Mineola NY, who was a car collector said to me, as I was removing the showroom posters, books, etc that mendtioned SS, "Do you have to send it all back?" "This stuff will be worth a ton in 50 years" It wa then a light bulb went off in my head and realised he might be right. That dealer has long past but I am sure that some where in his collection lies original Mustang SS showroom posters and booklets etc. that he kept. I have personaly learned many things while I was at Ford from 1979 to 1989 that would make your head spin. There are tons of rare cars out there just like the mis printed coins and dollar bills people collect. Just look at the movie Back to the Future 2. All the future Fords in that movie. Did you know not one can be accounted for and there is no record of them being destroyed. Ford Probe V?? ever see one?? There are at least 10 missing. There was a huge shake up at the Ford museum recently because there are so many one of a kind cars that can't be accounted for. I hope you now belive what I am saying and pass the proof on that I gave you.
From cjraceli@yahoo.com
Here are the pics:
Title: Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No?
Post by: V8Demon on April 30, 2008, 12:38:44 PM
One more
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Post by: EricCoolCats on April 30, 2008, 12:40:11 PM
I'm still laughing at the "Escort SS" part...
...where "SS" = "Supah shiznitteh"
:rollin:
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Post by: V8Demon on April 30, 2008, 12:49:55 PM
I'm on the hunt for one of those badges now....
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Post by: Cougar5.0 on April 30, 2008, 12:58:22 PM
We don't need no stinkin' badges!:D
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 30, 2008, 03:28:49 PM
I read through the postings on the Mustang site, and also noted this car was built in Feb '82, LOOONG after the SS conversions went down...
Then in the reply Paul posted, he goes on how cars sometimes were built with the wrong emblems, and compares it to minting errors of coins... BULL shiznit... If it really did leave the factory with ALL the wrong emblems, then someone on the production line was having a fun day and did it on purpose... As far as it getting out the door with the incorrect badging(and sold by a dealer), I say there was zero to no chance...
More likely is someone had the emblems(maybe from a conversion) and added them years ago...
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Post by: jcassity on April 30, 2008, 04:27:15 PM
maybe the escort ss was for real to.
I know there were a lot of escort gt's around ,, that always made me laugh to:D
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 30, 2008, 04:45:18 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;216530
I read through the postings on the Mustang site, and also noted this car was built in Feb '82, LOOONG after the SS conversions went down...
Then in the reply Paul posted, he goes on how cars sometimes were built with the wrong emblems, and compares it to minting errors of coins... BULL shiznit... If it really did leave the factory with ALL the wrong emblems, then someone on the production line was having a fun day and did it on purpose... As far as it getting out the door with the incorrect badging(and sold by a dealer), I say there was zero to no chance...
More likely is someone had the emblems(maybe from a conversion) and added them years ago...
I dunno, even in later years things can be wrong when the vehicle leaves the factory. I've seen a few 4X2 Isuzu trucks (rebadged Chevy S10's) with 4X4 decals all over them, one Isuzu truck with an Isuzu tail light on one side and a Chevy light on the other, a Saturn SL1 with one SL2 door panel and 3 SL1 door panels (would be similar to the difference between TC and base T-Bird panels), a Saturn coupe with two different colour door panels, and Saabs... well, all Saabs were mistakes. These were definitely assembly line mistakes, as the vehicles were straight off the trucks and I was PDI-ing them. If a modern factory can belt out mistakes like that in the late 90's it's not hard to imagine Ford doing it 25 years ago...
Still, these mistakes were all with regular production parts simply ending up on the wrong vehicles. I can't imagine a car coming out of the factory with the wrong emblems over a year after the emblems were nixed...
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 30, 2008, 05:27:30 PM
Hi Carmen
I have no doubt incorrect parts are sometimes installed, especially when variant models are run on the same line... My point was as you stated this would have had to been badged with parts that were not even in use... Even if it was originally equipped as such, the dealer prep team would have nixed it...
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Post by: fordguy on April 30, 2008, 07:47:47 PM
neat story but i have a question.....
what is it with people with spelling? 99% of the time people spell "like" leik
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Post by: Beau on April 30, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
Quote from: jcassity;216540
maybe the escort ss was for real to.
I know there were a lot of escort gt's around ,, that always made me laugh to:D
And wtf is so funny about EGT's???
I know of a guy that has put a 2.3T in one....fairly straightforward swap/conversion.
Mine is kinda ugly right now, but someday...
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 30, 2008, 08:14:59 PM
Quote from: fordguy;216576
neat story but i have a question.....
what is it with people with spelling? 99% of the time people spell "like" leik
My guess would be that it's a typo - fingers flying on the keyboard and the keys are pressed in the wrong order.
Unfortunately that's probably not the case with 99% of the other grammatical train wrecks posted here and on other forums...
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Post by: oldraven on April 30, 2008, 08:37:06 PM
Quote from: Cougar5.0;216491
We don't need no stinkin' badges!:D
That is as good as this thread is going to get.
:laughing:
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Post by: jcassity on May 02, 2008, 11:34:15 PM
Quote from: oldraven;216583
That is as good as this thread is going to get.
:laughing:
actually, now that the badge was cited and settled.,,,
the seller mentions the numbers match and he is the second owner,,, so..
Whats up with the capri front end,,, hood,,,,,,,,,, and wtf with those svo wheels?
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Post by: thunderjet302 on May 02, 2008, 11:51:10 PM
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actually, now that the badge was cited and settled.,,,
the seller mentions the numbers match and he is the second owner,,, so..
Whats up with the capri front end,,, hood,,,,,,,,,, and wtf with those svo wheels?
That is the factory 82 Mustang front end. (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1982-1983-1984-1985-1986-ford-mustang-3.jpg)
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Post by: jcassity on May 03, 2008, 12:01:54 AM
and the scoop ,, ?
what motor has the seller claimed ?
Title: Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No?
Post by: V8Demon on May 03, 2008, 05:39:05 PM
It's a 302 supposedly......As far as the hood scoop, its a factory piece. D9 part #
http://www.mustanggt.org/82gt.htm
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Of course a big part of the new GT’s allure was its specially designed exterior including the following standard features: an integrated front air dam housing twin fog lamps, rear spoiler, cast aluminum wheels, a non-functional hood scoop (reminiscent of the Boss 429), and special blackout trim (including all exterior moldings, trim, door handles, mirrors and antenna). The ‘82 GT’s were only available in the following exterior paint colors: Medium Red, Bright Red (available later in model year 1982), Black and Silver Metallic.
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in Canada, the '82 GT was apparently available with any engine offered in the Mustang line-up (the 4 cylinder 2.3L was standard, with the following engines offered as optional equipment: 2.3L turbo 4 cylinder offered ONLY in Canada in 1982 Mustangs, 3.3L 6 cylinder, 4.2L V8 or 5.0L HO V8).
Anybody ever seen one of those? a 1982 2.3T Mustang GT? Probably a nice collector piece if in good condition...
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Post by: jcassity on May 03, 2008, 06:11:33 PM
this is one very interesting thread,, im passing on the news to the mustang people i know and refering to this link.
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Post by: Chuck W on May 03, 2008, 07:06:37 PM
I had a non-5.0 82 GT. I bought it w/ a dead engine. It was a 255/C5 car. It was silver with a porno-red interior. In place of the 5.0 badges on the fenders, it had the "GT" emblems. I don't recall whether it had the scoop on it or not though.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on May 03, 2008, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;217038
It's a 302 supposedly......As far as the hood scoop, its a factory piece. D9 part #
http://www.mustanggt.org/82gt.htm
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Anybody ever seen one of those? a 1982 2.3T Mustang GT? Probably a nice collector piece if in good condition...
They actually weren't that rare up here. In fact, right into the mid 90's you could fairly easily find 'em for a few hundred bucks for beaters. I almost bought one, but instead bought the '85 T-Bird sitting beside it (my first 'Bird). Nobody wanted them because everyone wanted the 5.0 cars. They command a bit more now, though, and are getting fairly hard to find. It wasn't the EFI 2.3t you may be thinking about, either - it was a wretched draw-through (I think it was draw-, but may have been a blow-through - not that learned on 2.3t's) carbureted setup.
There was even a "GT350"-badged 2.3t Mustang in Canada in the early 80's. My cousin bought one brand new (traded his beautiful, but worthless at the time, '78 Z28 in on it). If memory serves me right it had T-tops and a 4-speed manual (just like the Z28 had). It was white with red GT-350 stripes along the rockers, just like classic Shelby Mustangs. He kept it for years, including letting it rot outside his house for probably half a decade, before giving it away as a beater. Apparently he shouldn't have done that, as they are supposedly quite rare.
Another strange Canada-ism: Most 87-92 GT Mustangs were badged "Cobra" or "Cobra GT" in Canada.
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Post by: EricCoolCats on May 03, 2008, 11:21:42 PM
Carm, my buddy has a 1984 GT 350 Mustang. Here in the States it was known as the 20th Anniversary Mustang model. It could be had with either the 5.0 or the 2.3 turbo engines. White, burgundy GT350 lower striping, burgundy stripe inside the molding, special burgundy rub molding on the sides, and a unique burgundy seat pattern. Also the emblem on the sides of the fenders was the running pony with tribar in the background; I believe it was the first Fox Mustang to have those. And there was a horseshoe-shaped 20th emblem on the dash. All other Mustang options were available though (wheels, steering wheels, T-tops, etc.). So a whole bunch of 20ths at a car show could all have different options but still be correct. The rarest are the 2.3 turbo convertibles, of which only 107 were made. Nowadays the GT350's aren't very common here in the States and generally, unless you know someone that has one, the only time you see them is at Mustang shows.
Of course, my buddy has radically changed his car and it now runs 12.80's. So much for rarity. ;)
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Post by: jcassity on May 04, 2008, 12:05:01 AM
eric what carb was on that pony 20th? two barrel ?
I know the ho came out in 82 but it was two barrel. Just wondering what it was on the 84.
Title: Mustang Lawsuit in the early '80s--Yes or No?
Post by: EricCoolCats on May 04, 2008, 09:55:46 AM
I'm not sure...he had two '84s and one of them was CFI/automatic. I *think* that was the burgundy car that he rolled. IIRC the 20th was a 2-bbl car. He's got a Demon 4-bbl on now, with an Edelbrock mid-rise intake.
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Post by: daboss351 on May 04, 2008, 01:49:23 PM
the 2.3 carbed motors were blow though im almost positive if I remeber right, I was SOOOOOOO hooked on buying this 79 merc capri rs turbo, O man I regret not trying harder, cause they kid that got it wreaked it and it was MINT....
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Post by: Chuck W on May 04, 2008, 06:19:25 PM
All the carb turbo cars(79-82 US and Canada) were draw-through.
ALL the 83-86 turbo Mustangs were EFI.
If it was an 84 carbed 5.0 Mustang, it was a 4bbl
If it was a CFI 5.0 Mustang, it was a "2bbl"
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Post by: daboss351 on May 04, 2008, 06:24:36 PM
well there you go. its been 2 years since i saw the motor so I was wrong.
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on May 04, 2008, 08:50:01 PM
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I know the ho came out in 82 but it was two barrel. Just wondering what it was on the 84.
The '82 used a 350 CFM 2BBL, marine cam and heads that were comparable to E7s(as did all but the '86)... Compression was approx 8.3:1 due to dished pistons... Had cast iron exhaust manifolds and single exaust...
The '83 & '84 HO was similar to the '82 but used a Holley 4bbl carb... AFIK there were no automatics in '82 or '83 but the '84 were CFI 2 BBL...
BTW the '83 Stang caused quite a stir in the motor head circles as it was the first 4bbl performance engine to come down the pike in a few years... At least in anything that didn't weigh 4000+ lbs...
The '85 5 speed HO used true tube headers and the roller camshaft, exaust system was two into one catalytic conv back to dual stainless... The '85 autos were basically same as '84, and did not use the headers or roller cam...