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Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Tbird232ci on April 13, 2008, 04:06:45 PM
Just yesterday, I had my Stinger exhaust hung. Have a Hooker MaxFlow ler, Magnaflow high flow cat, and a DMH electric cutout.

I took the car down to Tyson at Performance Auto Fabrication in Finksburg Maryland. He did all of the cutting, hacking, welding, tucking, and everything to make the exhaust fit exactly how I wanted.

First off, the Stinger system fit like . The only thing he didn't modify was the downpipe. He hung the downpipe, then the intermediate pipe. Once he got it close, he chopped it for the cat. When he cut the pipe for the cat, he was able to get the pipe tucked as tight as he could, while keeping clearance around the transmission vibration damper on the tailshaft. From there, he welded the hangers onto the ler, and got it into position, and cut and welded the pipe from between the cat to the ler, keeping the ler exactly where it belongs. From there, the fun began. The tailpipe came no where near fitting with the ler tucked nicely. He spent more time on the tailpipe than the entire exhaust. He finally got it tucked exactly how I wanted it, and set up a new hanger and the turndown. From there, he hacked up the flowtech cutout and welded the cutout portion directly to the downpipe. The exhaust setup is tucked very well, and you cant even tell I have a tailpipe on the car.

All in all, I'd say that if you need some custom fabrication, or anything that requires a hint of creativity, take it down to Tyson, he does some great work.

Now onto the pictures:

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/Tbird232ci/DCP_1813.jpg)

The tailpipe is actually tucked very high, and you can't see it at all unless you poke your head under the car.

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/Tbird232ci/DCP_1815.jpg)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/Tbird232ci/DCP_1816.jpg)

These two shots show it going over the axle. This is where the most time was spent making sure clearance was good. He had to chop the tailpipe all up, and use another 90* bend to get it all to clear.

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/Tbird232ci/DCP_1817.jpg)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/Tbird232ci/DCP_1818.jpg)

These two shots show the intermediate pipe, with the cat, and how much clearance there is.

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/Tbird232ci/DCP_1819.jpg)

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/Tbird232ci/DCP_1820.jpg)

And these two are probably the coolest parts of the exhaust. He cut the flowtech cutout apart, and grafted it onto the downpipe, exactly where I wanted it.

All in all, I'm very happy with the exhaust. Surprisingly, it's also VERY quiet.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on April 13, 2008, 07:42:51 PM
nice work
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 13, 2008, 08:23:56 PM
nice work shawn...  I like it.

lets see a low side shot of the car...  looks like you will really be able to see the cat though...
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Red_LX on April 13, 2008, 08:58:54 PM
Looks like you need longer bolts on that cutout.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: daboss351 on April 13, 2008, 09:17:54 PM
sweet set up!!
Do those clamps work as good as they are said to?
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Red_LX on April 14, 2008, 01:14:01 AM
I have one of those band clamps on my car and a couple on my truck...

They're not bad. Definitely better than regular clamps. They will still leak a little bit though.

edit: It looks like a couple of those are "stepped" clamps...those ones kinda suck. I'm not fond of them, I had one and when I cranked it down there was a huge gap where it would have leaked.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Carpimp1987 on April 14, 2008, 02:27:24 AM
Looks good now make a video of it and post it up soon.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: V8Demon on April 14, 2008, 09:27:35 AM
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Do those clamps work as good as they are said to?


Yes.

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First off, the Stinger system fit like .
Shawn, I would call Stinger and maybe have him read this thread AND send him some pics.  It may possibly get them to fix their issues for future customers.  It may get you some money back for your troubles as well.  If it wasn't what you expected then they should be gracious and professional enough to work something out with you.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Chuck W on April 14, 2008, 09:46:04 AM
My tailpipe sits up like that too.  It's a Stinger one.  I had to chop mine up, but it was more due to the way my ler is mounted than anything. 

I have some of those stepped clamps, and they suck.  Only one of the 2 or 3 I had worked properly, so I just tacked the pipes in place at the moment.  Looking at them, the pipes can't have ANY offset or deflection for them to work.  I need to get some other clamps.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: daboss351 on April 14, 2008, 02:14:28 PM
Now do you get them from like summit, or did you go to a trucker place and grab some? Ive heard the ones sold from the trucker parts supply places work  good.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Tbird232ci on April 14, 2008, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;213818
lets see a low side shot of the car...  looks like you will really be able to see the cat though...

Ill grab one in a little bit. Really, you have to get down low to see anything. It does hang lower than the frame rail, but what do you expect when you have a 3" diameter pipe in place of a 2.5".

Quote from: Red_LX;213821
Looks like you need longer bolts on that cutout.

Actually, the nuts provided protrude down into the cutout, and seat against a lip inside of the oval hole. It looks as if there isn't much thread engagement, but there is plenty.

Quote from: daboss351;213827

Do those clamps work as good as they are said to?

Yes. I use them nearly every day being a truck mechanic. When torqued down properly, they do not leak. I've used them on rusty pipe and junk flex pipe and never had one leak.

There are two different styles. One that uses aluminum blocks where they clamp, and one that uses some goo. The ones with goo are junk.

Quote from: V8Demon;213894
Yes.

Shawn, I would call Stinger and maybe have him read this thread AND send him some pics.  It may possibly get them to fix their issues for future customers.  It may get you some money back for your troubles as well.  If it wasn't what you expected then they should be gracious and professional enough to work something out with you.

I'm not concerned with getting money back at all. I think a good bit of it had to do with Tyson being a major perfectionist, and making it fit better than it was really intended. If Stinger had many of the overly complex bends to make it fit perfectly, it would drive the cost up.

I'll still contact him and give him the heads up. As of right now, I'm not very worried about it, considering everything is exactly how I want.

Quote from: Chuck W;213896
My tailpipe sits up like that too.  It's a Stinger one.  I had to chop mine up, but it was more due to the way my ler is mounted than anything. 

Mine wouldn't fit at all until Tyson chopped the living hell out of it. Stinger sets the ler up to sit at an angle, and Tyson straightened it, making the tail not even come close to fitting. It wouldn't come close because it hit the body, the upper control arm, and then wouldn't make it to the ler. He chopped pretty much the entire over-the-axle section up into pieces and pieced it back together with some other stuff to make it fit.

Quote from: daboss351;213921
Now do you get them from like summit, or did you go to a trucker place and grab some? Ive heard the ones sold from the trucker parts supply places work  good.

They're all the same. Most of the ones you buy from summit or jegs are called TorcTite made by Torca. Just make sure you get the ones with the aluminum blocks, and nuts and bolts, not the ones with goo.

These are the ones: http://www.torcausa.com/Torctite.htm
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Chuck W on April 14, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
Mine have the AL blocks, and didn't work for poo.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Tbird232ci on April 14, 2008, 03:51:26 PM
Interesting, we use them all-day-every-day at work, and never have an issue.

Also, I went out to take a picture from the side, and you can hardly see the exhaust. I took a picture, and you can't even tell what is what under there. I didn't realize how well he tucked it.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: t3skidoo on April 14, 2008, 03:59:11 PM
I'd be interested in a dyno comparison of the exhaust.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Tbird232ci on April 14, 2008, 04:26:55 PM
My previous exhaust setup was a Stinger downpipe, intermediate pipe, and a Dynomax Ultraflow.

Between that exhaust, and this, it feels like I lost a significant amount of horsepower with the new setup, but gained a good deal of torque. I'm able to shift earlier without lugging, car gets up from a light with less throttle and clutch, and seems a bit more smooth.

No big deal on the horsepower loss, just flip a switch and I'm good to go!
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: pro-five-oh on April 14, 2008, 06:23:05 PM
Dude that is sharp.  Nicely done again, Shawn.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 14, 2008, 07:43:22 PM
Looks good. How loud is it with the cut out open?
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Tbird232ci on April 14, 2008, 08:11:10 PM
I couldn't tell you really. I haven't had a chance to wire it up.

I will tell you that it's going to be very loud. It's probably about 2' away from the turbo.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: daboss351 on April 14, 2008, 10:31:31 PM
Thanks for the heads up on the clamps!!
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: t3skidoo on April 14, 2008, 10:39:09 PM
Have access to a decibel meter?
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: gumby on April 15, 2008, 06:34:16 AM
[SIZE="5"][COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]THREE PAGES!!![/COLOR][/SIZE]


:bowdown:
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: bhazard on April 15, 2008, 01:27:44 PM
Yeah, that cutout right there, pointing right at the ground. Its gonna be nauseating.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Tbird232ci on April 16, 2008, 06:33:45 PM
Well, I have the cutout wired up. I made sure that this is going to be a very safe wiring job, because the motor is only a few inches from the ground basically. I used a bosch 30amp relay and a fuse.

Anyways, with the cutout open, obviously its loud, but it isn't nearly as loud inside the car as you'd think. Obviously, it sounds like an angry John Deere, but the turbo spool is more than worth it.

In one of these cars, with all of the extra sound deadening they came with, it's very tolerable.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Tbird232ci on April 16, 2008, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: t3skidoo;214002
Have access to a decibel meter?

The only people who have those are the MVA. If I go to them, they'd give me a repair citation in a heartbeat.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 16, 2008, 07:08:51 PM
I'm not too terribly surprised at your results...as you said the sound deadening. I guess these really DO have a lot. My mom yells at me CONSTANTLY, warning me that i'm drawing way too much attention to myself and that it's "terribly excessive" and if I'm just cruising along, no load, I actually don't hear anything above what I did stock up to about 35 maybe 40 mph. (its an O/R h pipe with flowmaster 40s).
 
Its great ya get to show off but not have your eardrums blown out while driving it :D :evilgrin:.
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Tbird232ci on April 16, 2008, 07:28:12 PM
While the 40's and no cats is loud, with the cutout open, I have maybe 18" of exhaust with no ling. I think I'm a good bit louder ;)
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: ZondaC12 on April 16, 2008, 08:02:46 PM
Oh I'm sure of THAT! Just talking re: the deadener. I STILL haven't gotten a friend to drive it so I can hear it take off from the outside. Being in the car it honestly doesn't sound like a huge ruckus. Im NOT unhappy but it hardly seems totally obscene, so I wanna see what all this fuss about it being so excessive is.
 
She even said last week "What did you do? That got louder I swear it got louder."  Im like "I haven't touched the exhaust in over a year." :hick:
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: V8Demon on April 16, 2008, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;214317
The only people who have those are the MVA. If I go to them, they'd give me a repair citation in a heartbeat.


I have access to one:shakeass:
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: Tbird232ci on April 16, 2008, 08:18:06 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;214343
I have access to one:shakeass:


Are you going to be at Carlisle? If so, bring it along. I'll have the TC there.

Zonda: Just before I had the exhaust put on my car, I had my girlfriend drive it around the parking lot, and it really is amazing how different it sounds. I suggest finding someone just to run it around the parking lot. You look at your own car a bit differently.

My father is scared to drive my car now :hick:
Title: New exhaust (DUW?)
Post by: turbo83coupe on April 17, 2008, 04:38:49 PM
nice setup. I use the exact same band clamps for my test tube and cat and never had a leak. They work great!!

Frank M.