Some of the blog comments really make a lot of sense. What is Mom's Friendly Robot Company (Toyota) going to do for the thousands of people who had to junk/sell their Taco's already?
I don't know about you guys, but maybe looking around some used car lots is a good idea right now :hick:
Title: Toyota caught with their pants down - Tacoma Rust
Post by: daboss351 on April 05, 2008, 02:18:46 PM
EXACTLY why I will REFUSE to buy a stupid JUNK import as long as I can
Title: Toyota caught with their pants down - Tacoma Rust
Post by: Tbird232ci on April 05, 2008, 02:45:25 PM
Junk import? Id like to see how you can call Toyota junk, when my fathers MN12 was rusting in 1995, when the car is a 1989. Thats a whole 6 years. They're talking about cars and truck 8-13 years old. Chrysler has had problems with their Neons rusting for years. Ford has always had rust issues when in areas that use salt frequently. So whats the big deal here? At least Toyota is willing to do something about it. Buy a Ford, rust in a few years, sorry, you're SOL. Buy a Chevy and it rust, same deal. Chrysler? Yep, you're screwed.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 05, 2008, 02:48:55 PM
I just dont think a cheap junk car is worth it. My moms 07 matrix, is cheap, plastic . I mean it takes the abuse I give it, but its so uncomfortable. I just dont like them. Plain and simple. I have driven camrys, tacomas, tundras, matix, corollas, None of which I have liked. Only one that was decent was the tundra, decent powered v8 other then that I dislike the truck. Im stubborn, stupid, and nieve. I will NEVER buy an import unless its for my significant other, or im forced to. Other then that, Ill take a rusting out american car. This is why I am moving from the northeast ASAP.
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Post by: chri85tc on April 05, 2008, 03:57:17 PM
Well, I have to own up to the fact I own a Nissan Titan. I have to say it is the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned. Now I have owned over 50 vehicles and most of them were Fords. I do own a chevy too, which I am desperately trying to sell so I can get another Ford.
But my Titan isnt rusting and it consumes alot of gas and it was also built in Canton, Ohio. Quite honestly it feels like an american built vehicle and acts like one too... puppiesanese POS !
If you see what I am saying ?
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Post by: Beau on April 05, 2008, 04:34:05 PM
And I'll say...for the thousandth ed time...define "import"!
It's built here, with parts made outside our borders...people need to learn the name on the box doesn't mean jack-shiznit.
Hell...a lot of Ford and Chevy vehicles can be considered import in that regard. Mexican and Canadian built. See my point?
Quit bashin' em cause they rust because lazy fvcks can't or won't go to the car wash and cleans the undersides....
ANYTHING will rust if left unattended. Quite frankly i'm sick and tired of people always blaming the "puppies" cars for their faults, when I see more and more so-called "domestic" makes wrecked, abused, and junked out than ever before.
It's a machine. You fail to maintain it, and it will fail you. Simple enough!? shiznit fire people! :flame::evilgrin:
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Post by: chri85tc on April 05, 2008, 04:41:47 PM
Fordtruckfreeek,I was being sarcastic, cause I love my Titan and I agree with all that you just said :)
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Post by: V8Demon on April 05, 2008, 04:57:43 PM
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It's built here, with parts made outside our borders...people need to learn the name on the box doesn't mean jack-shiznit.
When the net profit goes overseas and their is no union to make sure the medical benefits of the workers are secure the yes to me it does....
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It's a machine. You fail to maintain it, and it will fail you. Simple enough!?
This I will agree with....
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I see more and more so-called "domestic" makes wrecked, abused, and junked out than ever before.
Come to my neck of the woods. All the hacked up imports are up here.
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 05, 2008, 05:42:19 PM
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When the net profit goes overseas and their is no union to make sure labour costs are so high they drive the company to build factories in Mexico and China...
Fixed it for ya ;)
Rusting pickup truck frames in salty areas is nothing new, and it's certainly nothing specific to Toyota. Many mid 90's Ford pickup trucks have been junked due to rust - rusty frames, rusty boxes, rusty fenders, rusty cab mounts, rusty rad supports - you name it, it rusts out on a Ford truck. My '95 F-150 4X4 is a basket case right now because of it - the box and both front fenders have completely rotted out. The box isn't even savable, so it'll be replaced with a utility box. The fenders will need replacing. At least one frame cross member is rotted out. I haven't even checked the rad support, but given their reputation and the condition of the rest of the truck I'm not optimistic.
It's not even truck-specific. Like Shawn, I had an MN12 rot away on me. Both rocker panels, both doors, and one quarter panel literally wasted away. My car was a '91, the rust started in '93 (Ford wouldn't fix it under warranty because there were no holes), and by the time the car was 6 years old (out of warranty) it was ready for the s yard.
Like Chris, I owned a Nissan truck ('90 King Cab) and it was the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned. This truck lasted me well over 500,000 miles (800,000 km) - I don't know how much over because the odometer quit working at just over 800,000 km, but I drove it for two years broken. When I sold it it had the original tie rods, ball joints, brake drums & rotors, wheel bearings, spark plugs, air filter, coolant, power steering fluid, and brake fluid. NONE of these things were ever replaced over the entire life of the truck. The rotors and drums were certainly worn below spec, but they were still the originals. The only problems that truck ever gave me was a bearing in the tranny that would go bad every 75k miles. I got tired of replacing it and replaced the whole tranny with a $50 used one. Even the clutch lasted 250k miles and when I took it out (to do that bearing - I figured it was a good time to do the clutch) it was only half worn. That truck showed me what reliable was.
Most manufacturers have their dirty little secrets. The difference with Toyota is how they're handling it. As was said by somebody else, if this were Ford or Chevy (or Honda or Nissan or BMW or Bentley, for that matter) you'd be SOL.
But wait, maybe not SOL with everyone. Toyota isn't the first manufacturer to go good on a rotten frame problem. Isuzu had the frame recall 'd complained about many times, and GM recalled early 90's W-bodies for rotted out subframes.
Title: Toyota caught with their pants down - Tacoma Rust
Post by: P71 on April 05, 2008, 05:50:53 PM
Meh, I could care less about the how's, why's, are whose-at-faults.
MY point was, Toyota is blindly offering to buy back every single Tacoma from 95-00, regardless of mileage, condition, or what owner you are, for 1.5 times the KBB "Excellent" Retail Value!
Let me spell that out for you. I go out right now and buy a $500 95 Tacoma with 300K miles on it and a rotted frame. Monday morning I bring it the Toyota dealer, they say "yep, we have to buy it from you, here's a loaner car for 30 days". Then I get a check for $7500 (1.5 times the $5000 KBB Excellent Retail Value).
Rinse and repeat.
Title: Toyota caught with their pants down - Tacoma Rust
Post by: P71 on April 05, 2008, 06:04:04 PM
Title: Toyota caught with their pants down - Tacoma Rust
Post by: *MAYHEM* on April 05, 2008, 06:05:21 PM
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EXACTLY why I will REFUSE to buy a stupid JUNK import as long as I can
Excuse me? Are you blind, illiterate or just fekking stupid?
Name me one american car company that would have offered that on ANY of their vehicles. They'd have paid millions to lawyers to find a way out of taking care of you. "Oh gee, that's too bad. I guess you should have used the underspray option at the car wash more often. I'm afraid this looks like a lack of proper maintenance. We can't help you." Or "I'm terribly sorry but our warranty does not extend to third owners. You're on your own, chump."
I have to appaud Toyota, much as I dislike puppies vehicles, for standing behind their products.
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Post by: V8Demon on April 05, 2008, 06:05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by V8Demon When the net profit goes overseas and their is no union to make sure labour costs are so high they drive the company to build factories in Mexico and China...
Fixed it for ya
When you have someone trying to make it so you don't get paid for the sick days you didn't take and trying to make you pay into your medical at a rate of $150/month excluding dependents AFTER they switched to a different provider who's service is for , lemme know;)
This rant was here once before. I'll just leave it that I'm pro-union.
MEH..... The Only 2 things truly native to America anymore are prostitution and beer. Most people buy Coronas and Heinekens:hick:
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Let me spell that out for you. I go out right now and buy a $500 95 Tacoma with 300K miles on it and a rotted frame. Monday morning I bring it the Toyota dealer, they say "yep, we have to buy it from you, here's a loaner car for 30 days". Then I get a check for $7500 (1.5 times the $5000 KBB Excellent Retail Value).
Rinse and repeat.
I doubt they'd let you do it more than once. I'm sure the one time would be a little difficult as well. Toyota didn't become as big as it did by giving the store away (That leads back to the union statement.....)
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Post by: xjeffs on April 05, 2008, 09:31:56 PM
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I just dont think a cheap junk car is worth it. My moms 07 matrix, is cheap, plastic . I mean it takes the abuse I give it, but its so uncomfortable. I just dont like them. Plain and simple. I have driven camrys, tacomas, tundras, matix, corollas, None of which I have liked. Only one that was decent was the tundra, decent powered v8 other then that I dislike the truck. Im stubborn, stupid, and nieve. I will NEVER buy an import unless its for my significant other, or im forced to. Other then that, Ill take a rusting out american car. This is why I am moving from the northeast ASAP.
Matrix is because it's so cheap. They don't put much into it so people with low incomes can afford something with a warranty.
Title: Toyota caught with their pants down - Tacoma Rust
Post by: Carpimp1987 on April 05, 2008, 09:44:48 PM
The only Toyota i would ever buy is a Supra any year and any model other than that i don't care how many are rusting.
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Post by: V8Demon on April 05, 2008, 09:58:10 PM
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The only Toyota i would ever buy is a Supra any year and any model other than that i don't care how many are rusting.
This added to the conversation how!!??
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Post by: Quietleaf on April 05, 2008, 10:01:18 PM
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Matrix is because it's so cheap. They don't put much into it so people with low incomes can afford something with a warranty.
Cars like that have their place. Even poor people need to be able to get to their jobs. You just have to accept those cars for what they are. Does anyone remember the Chevy Chevette? A friend of mine had one -- we used to joke that they were made from the parts that were left over. VERY uncomfortable car, but it served its purpose -- something inexpensive for someone just starting out in life.
Me? I had a lemon-yellow '72 Gran Torino four-door. Much nicer car, but definitely a Granny's car (and it wasn't made with the best steel ever, so it really rusted).
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Post by: FLSTCI71 on April 05, 2008, 10:11:08 PM
I don't see how anyone can say this proves Toyota has a better warranty than the American automakers. Someone said if this happened to a Ford or Chevy, you'd be screwed. I guess it's easy to say that if it never happens. I could also say if it happened to Ford or Chevy, they'd give you a brand new truck because I'm pretty sure it's not going to happen either. Ford's been making trucks over 80 years and they're pretty good at it. I've never heard of a Ford truck FRAME rusting out in 10 years and forcing the truck to be junked. Do the fenders and boxes rust on Ford trucks? Yes. I am sorry to say they do, they rust almost as fast as fenders and boxes rust on puppiesanese trucks. The difference here is we're talking about the FRAME, the most important part of a truck. To have a frame rust completely out in less than 10 years tells me the problem is not lack of undercoating, it is either too thin or inferior steel or both. If someone dies due to a substandard frame, the lawsuits would be huge, so Toyota is not doing this to be nice guys. They're running scared because they built junk and got caught. So, as long as the corporate profits for Ford stay here in the US and as long as they don't rust out like imports, I will remain loyal to Ford. My $.02.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 05, 2008, 10:54:38 PM
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When the net profit goes overseas and their is no union to make sure the medical benefits of the workers are secure the yes to me it does....
THATS one of the HUGE reasons. Theres cars made by american company's (parts from everywhere, assembled everywhere, blah blah, money goes to keep AMERICAN company's open.) Theres american cars that get the same mileage as the imports, most are built better, and some cost just as little. I hate how all the people CRUCIFY american companys when they have problems, but most recalls, and errors from import company's are not highlighted as much. I think its BS. But oh well.
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Post by: daboss351 on April 05, 2008, 11:06:54 PM
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Meh, I could care less about the how's, why's, are whose-at-faults.
MY point was, Toyota is blindly offering to buy back every single Tacoma from 95-00, regardless of mileage, condition, or what owner you are, for 1.5 times the KBB "Excellent" Retail Value!
Let me spell that out for you. I go out right now and buy a $500 95 Tacoma with 300K miles on it and a rotted frame. Monday morning I bring it the Toyota dealer, they say "yep, we have to buy it from you, here's a loaner car for 30 days". Then I get a check for $7500 (1.5 times the $5000 KBB Excellent Retail Value).
Rinse and repeat.
Try it 2 times i DOUBT they will do it twice...
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Post by: daboss351 on April 05, 2008, 11:08:24 PM
Ive seen a few driveing around with the bed touching the cab, and the only thing holding it together was brake, fuel lines, and driveshaft. Was quite funny to watch
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Post by: daboss351 on April 05, 2008, 11:15:00 PM
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I don't see how anyone can say this proves Toyota has a better warranty than the American automakers. Someone said if this happened to a Ford or Chevy, you'd be screwed. I guess it's easy to say that if it never happens. I could also say if it happened to Ford or Chevy, they'd give you a brand new truck because I'm pretty sure it's not going to happen either. Ford's been making trucks over 80 years and they're pretty good at it. I've never heard of a Ford truck FRAME rusting out in 10 years and forcing the truck to be junked. Do the fenders and boxes rust on Ford trucks? Yes. I am sorry to say they do, they rust almost as fast as fenders and boxes rust on puppiesanese trucks. The difference here is we're talking about the FRAME, the most important part of a truck. To have a frame rust completely out in less than 10 years tells me the problem is not lack of undercoating, it is either too thin or inferior steel or both. If someone dies due to a substandard frame, the lawsuits would be huge, so Toyota is not doing this to be nice guys. They're running scared because they built junk and got caught. So, as long as the corporate profits for Ford stay here in the US and as long as they don't rust out like imports, I will remain loyal to Ford. My $.02.
only fords i see with rusted frames are farm trucks down south I see TONS of rusted out chevys, but lots of fords with just rusted bodys. My buddys 96 f250, had BARELY ANY surface rust on it, no scale rust AT ALL, inside or outside. I have always said and will always say, Imports will run for ever, but they will fall apart much before then.
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Post by: jcassity on April 05, 2008, 11:45:51 PM
fordtruckfreek you dont get it. You might be dead right,but your still dead. You have fallen prey to the mindset of many americans who have been washed of thier loyalty and thier future as an industrialized nation. With the many people around now a days who think like you , i am certain our children will know nothing about our proud past or the greed that fueled outsourcing.
Americans who say,,"well its made in america" but ignores the revenue lost to another nation, need to look no further than thier own families and elders who remember a better infrastructure here at home. America and Canada are both in the same shape and I highly disagree with our direction.
P71 I agree with your toughts,, i think it would work as many times as you try it , as long as you switch dealerships for each vehicle you find.
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Post by: P71 on April 06, 2008, 12:07:24 AM
Even if it only works once, $500 buy to a $7500 sale is $7000 of straight profit for no work.
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Post by: V8Demon on April 06, 2008, 12:19:52 AM
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P71 I agree with your toughts,, i think it would work as many times as you try it , as long as you switch dealerships for each vehicle you find.
Something like this would be documented, categorized and itemized. Just like a regular warantee. If your warantee is void at one dealership why would it be good at another?
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Post by: daboss351 on April 06, 2008, 12:22:43 AM
well.... mhumm i think i could get this kids at schools for free, the bed smashs the cab i think its rotted off lol. unless he junked it....
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Post by: jcassity on April 06, 2008, 02:47:15 AM
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Something like this would be documented, categorized and itemized. Just like a regular warantee. If your warantee is void at one dealership why would it be good at another?
we were not talking about warantees, we were discussing the fact toyota wants the trucks back ,, "to avoid law suits". Im sure if the same happened to domestics, there would be a huge effort to recall them all no matter the way they came in the door. Each and every one off the road decreases the liability of toyota.
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Post by: Ductape91 on April 06, 2008, 03:11:36 AM
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Meh, I could care less about the how's, why's, are whose-at-faults.
MY point was, Toyota is blindly offering to buy back every single Tacoma from 95-00, regardless of mileage, condition, or what owner you are, for 1.5 times the KBB "Excellent" Retail Value! .
according to the link you posted this is not entirely true, quoted from the article.
"Here’s how this will work: Starting in the middle of March and continuing over a period of time, owners of 1995-2000 Tacomas will be sent letters informing them about this issue. If you find rust perforation on your vehicle's frame, have your truck inspected by a Toyota dealer.
If frame corrosion damage is confirmed by an inspection at a Toyota dealership, at Toyota's option, we will either repair the vehicle or repurchase it. No matter the vehicle’s actual condition, it will be valued as a vehicle in excellent condition. If the inspection reveals no rust perforation, the 15-year warranty will remain in force.
This is worth underscoring: This is not a recall. Rather, it’s an example of our commitment to the durability of our products and to our owners. These are older trucks and rust is a fact of life, especially where road salt is used, but that’s not what’s important. What’s important is that we take care of our owners. We just thought you should know that."
they will only pay for the truck if the frame is rotting or already rotted, at thier own discretion at that. this isnt an oppertunity for some guy to c00ch up a $500 toyota and cash out on it unless the frame is already gone on it, which from what ive seen is easy to find around here but not guaranteed enough to bank on.
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Post by: 5.0willgo on April 06, 2008, 08:51:26 AM
^ Exactly. Not only that but I'm sure the dealer would be on to you when you come strolling in with a truck that you just purchased.
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Post by: V8Demon on April 06, 2008, 11:15:01 AM
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we were not talking about warantees, we were discussing the fact toyota wants the trucks back ,, "to avoid law suits". Im sure if the same happened to domestics, there would be a huge effort to recall them all no matter the way they came in the door. Each and every one off the road decreases the liability of toyota.
They are going to be keeping tabs on every single one and every transaction. Turning one in will not take 5 minutes. There is no such thing as a get rich quick scheme. Stop trying to find one here. [COLOR="Red"]I am well aware that we're not talking warantees in particular, although this is actually based upon one. Thanks for feeling the need to point that out.[/COLOR] We are talking legal issues where I's must be dotted and T's must be crossed. If you stumble across 2really horrendous ones perhaps they will take them in. Minor surface rust will doubfully cut the mustard. Hell, according to the chart posted in the first post truck frames that are inspected and have perforation need "work with a Toyota representative to proceed further."
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If frame corrosion damage is confirmed by an inspection at a Toyota dealership, [COLOR="Red"]at Toyota's option, we will either repair the vehicle or repurchase it[/COLOR].
Translation: If it's repairable and we say we'll repair it and you say no then you are SOL and responsible for that decision YOU made.....Another reason why everything will be documented.
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Post by: xjeffs on April 06, 2008, 11:26:23 AM
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only fords i see with rusted frames are farm trucks down south I see TONS of rusted out chevys, but lots of fords with just rusted bodys. My buddys 96 f250, had BARELY ANY surface rust on it, no scale rust AT ALL, inside or outside. I have always said and will always say, Imports will run for ever, but they will fall apart much before then.
Is it the Saab that has 1,000,000 miles on it?
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Post by: Haystack on April 06, 2008, 02:09:33 PM
buy American cars all you want. You can get the jag-based Lincoln, or the Europe based focus, or the puppies based Mazda. The choice is yours if you want a ford...
I don't think people really understand what the issue is here. Just cause it says ford doesn't mean it is. Americans put it together, after all the Asian's make all the parts and ship it here. That is what makes it an American car.
Either way, at least Toyota is going to repair some of the damage. Ford would probably just try to get you to trade it in on a newer car.
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Post by: FLSTCI71 on April 06, 2008, 03:22:13 PM
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I don't think people really understand what the issue is here.
That is exactly my point, people don't really understand the issue. If you buy an American car (what makes up an American car is another entire debate), then the corporate profits stay in AMERICA. When people buy a puppiesanese car (even a Toyota built here), then the corporate profits go to puppiesAN.
There are several issues in this thread, quality, warranty, loyalty, etc, but the bottom line is if you buy cars from a company headquartered outside of the US, then that's where the profits are going. We can all argue back and forth and no one will ever "win" because we all have our own preferences. That is perfectly okay because this is America and being able to make up our own minds is one of the cool things about it. I'm just making a point about what country is being supported when cars are purchased.
By the way, this is not a unique discussion. My son just got back from spending a year in school in puppiesan and the same battle is raging over there. All of the puppiesanese are complaining about everything being made in China. They are trying to push puppiesanese products because the Chinese product profits go to China. Same problem as here, just a different "enemy"....
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 06, 2008, 05:33:22 PM
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Is it the Saab that has 1,000,000 miles on it?
That would be a Volvo, a late 60's P1800 coupe. Last I heard it's got well over a million now...
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Either way, at least Toyota is going to repair some of the damage. Ford would probably just try to get you to trade it in on a newer car.
Actually, what Ford would do is deny there's a problem, then they'd get sued, then it would go class action, then Ford would settle out of court by offering $500 vouchers toward a new Ford.
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By the way, this is not a unique discussion. My son just got back from spending a year in school in puppiesan and the same battle is raging over there. All of the puppiesanese are complaining about everything being made in China. They are trying to push puppiesanese products because the Chinese product profits go to China. Same problem as here, just a different "enemy"....
It's actually the same "enemy". Ever been to a Wal-Mart?
At least when puppiesan, inc "invaded" they brought quality products at low prices. China's problem is that they provide shoddy products at cheap prices. When it comes to "Made in China" you truly get what you pay for. Princess Auto in Canada is well known for having "neat-o" products that you didn't even know existed until you see the flyer, then you've gotta have it. Unfortunately nearly all of it is "Made in China" . Canadian Tire, whose Mastercraft line of tools is of the finest quality, had to come out with a second "cheap" line of tools (Jobmate) just to stop customers from flocking away. Now Canadian Tire is even selling Chinese ATV's cheap - they don't even have a brand name. The problem is that when it breaks (and it will) you can't buy parts.
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Post by: V8Demon on April 06, 2008, 05:38:41 PM
I've said it before. I'll say it again. I've never even set foot in a Wal-Mart.
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Post by: jcassity on April 07, 2008, 12:51:12 AM
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I've said it before. I'll say it again. I've never even set foot in a Wal-Mart.
how do you do that? I say i want to never step back foot in wally world but i find myself there all the time.
whats your secret? In a small town with little options, its very difficult.
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Post by: oldraven on April 07, 2008, 07:41:13 AM
I also live in the land of rust, and I can see why they did this. Sure, there are lots of rusty domestics, and imports alike, but Toyota's light pickups are in a class of their own. If you own one of the old undead R22 pickups, you're guaranteed to either go with the Swiss Cheese look or a 'custom' wood box. I seriously have never seen a solid box on one in Nova Scotia. If they used any of the same grade of steel for their Tacoma's, I'm sure it's just a matter of time for those as well.