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Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 05, 2008, 09:02:58 AM
I will be taking the XR-7 and seeing what it will do..  expecting a high 15 @ around 88mph.:hick:

Will post video and pics of it, and the timeslips, later today:burnout:
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: P71 on April 05, 2008, 12:38:04 PM
Go get em! ;)
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 05, 2008, 12:48:15 PM
well that was embarassing...  although not as embarrassing as the 2000 Mustang GT that I beat... lol

Ran five runs, with the 4th being my best, on run five I switched sides and spun hard off the line...  the track was unpreped and slippery even for my cougar.  I only managed to run a 16.105 @84.95MPH

Well at least I know have a baseline....  time to dig in and swap in a HO
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: P71 on April 05, 2008, 01:47:36 PM
Almost as slow as my RX-7 :hick:

What were your 60's?
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 05, 2008, 08:03:26 PM
Here is my best pass:

R/T:________  0.242
60':_________  2.210
330':________  6.632
1/8:_________10.288
MPH:________  65.49
1000':_______ 13.444
1/4:_________ 16.105
MPH:_________ 84.95

I didn't get anypics or video as my battery died in the burnout box.  I may go back tomorrow and try again...
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: P71 on April 06, 2008, 10:28:02 AM
Try again, the MPH is there for a mid-15. Like you said though, not a bad baseline ;)
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: dominator on April 06, 2008, 02:33:19 PM
That's what my old 88 ran with a k&n,intake spacer and true duals.
Could not break 16.1.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 18, 2008, 12:00:57 PM
k, going back to try again tomorrow, it's high 15's or bust...

I Might take a buddy with me and race my XR-7 against my MN12 bird...  would make for a cool video...
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: SirChirpAlot on April 18, 2008, 12:19:54 PM
Well it sounds like you had fun at Cayuga.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 19, 2008, 07:47:59 PM
well that sucked....  the track was so well prepped, that the cougar dead hooked everytime and just bogged...  poor Cat had a tough time trying to put some heat in them,,,

Best run was only a 16.5 at 82MPH....

Tha was way too embarrassing, but I did rock a "VTEC civic" by a full second.  Time to start the HO/T5 swap VERY soon....
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 21, 2008, 04:30:39 AM
Went back to the track yesterday to try and improve my times...  Entered the street eliminator class to see how many rounds I could go in the bracket class.

first run the car could barely do a burnout, and only ran a 17.7 @77MPH!!  WTF?!!?  It was missing badly.  Came back to the pits and check all plug wires, one was lose on the cap....  Problem fixed so I thought, but in the burnout box it had lost so much power that it couldnt even spin the tires....  "Oh, something is seriously wrong" I thought.
So I called it a day before qualifing started, and headed home.  I stopped along the way and tryied to do a burnout again, still barely able to do one.  When I got home I decided to pull the plugs.  This is what greeted me:
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/88%20XR7%20Cougar/DSC04265.jpg)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb170/1WLDBRD/88%20XR7%20Cougar/DSC04270.jpg)
BINGO there is my problem!  so I wire wheeled them and threw them back in and flew back to the track to see if it was too late to get in on the action.  It was but they let me Test and Tune.  ran 3 16.3's @ 84MPH.  Thats better!  Going to get a set of 4.10's installed next weekend and run a short belt next saturday and see what happens.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: SirChirpAlot on April 21, 2008, 08:59:52 AM
Just so you know i do have extra parts kicking around for a cat.
I think i have a set of south sides with the plates and dubble ajustable uppers for back and i make my own K member and controle arms. So i still have my jig to make more :)
Hint hint to all.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: P71 on April 21, 2008, 10:23:28 AM
Why are you running plugs for a rotary in a 5.0?
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 21, 2008, 03:20:14 PM
Why are they so oil fouled?
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 21, 2008, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: P71;215013
Why are you running plugs for a rotary in a 5.0?

huh?  :confused: :dunno: I dunno what you mean but they ARE 5.0L plugs... and if you are refering to the +4's...  I am running them, because they have been dyno proven to add 6hp on a stock 302.  Every little bit helps when you are dealing with the SO motor....
Quote from: thunderjet302;215054
Why are they so oil fouled?

I guess that is a down side to the aftermarket (chinese :nannerbang: ) Cobra intakes.  the baffles underneath the PCV Valve aren't big enough and the motor burns some oil because of it.  Ford sells a repair baffle that I will be putting on it when I swap the HO into it.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: thunderjet302 on April 21, 2008, 06:19:31 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;215064

I guess that is a down side to the aftermarket (chinese :nannerbang: ) Cobra intakes.  the baffles underneath the PCV Valve aren't big enough and the motor burns some oil because of it.  Ford sells a repair baffle that I will be putting on it when I swap the HO into it.



Yeah the Explorer GT40 lower I used has that big baffel on it to stop oil consumption.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: P71 on April 22, 2008, 10:13:48 AM
+4's were designed for rotary engines. I'd be very, very skeptical of any "HP Increase" claim on that style of plug in a piston engine. That design was made so the electrode(s) wouldn't protrude into the rotor housing where they'd be smacked by the rotor. As a basic electrical current device it is an inefficient design. Where exactly did you here about the 6HP?
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 22, 2008, 09:33:13 PM
Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords.  In my own experience I have tried just about every plug on the market, and have found these to be the best in my cars. (aside from Motorcraft, which are obviously THE best)
My engine runs smoother and seems to have alittle better throttle response with them.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: P71 on April 23, 2008, 09:52:18 AM
I take everything those liars say and do the opposite.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 23, 2008, 09:04:28 PM
elaborate on the lairs part...

pretty strong words...  what facts do you have to prove that they lied about anything, and what?
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: P71 on April 23, 2008, 09:57:36 PM
Wow, you must not read online much! Over half of their tech articles are PAID for by the companies whose products they're showcasing. They've been accused of misleading and lying to readers for over a decade! They've been called out and proven wrong multiple times over ET's, HP numbers, and even what parts they actually used. Seriously, spend 10 minutes reading what comes up in a Google search on that rag and you'll never trust them again.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 24, 2008, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: P71;215458
Wow, you must not read online much! Over half of their tech articles are PAID for by the companies whose products they're showcasing. They've been accused of misleading and lying to readers for over a decade! They've been called out and proven wrong multiple times over ET's, HP numbers, and even what parts they actually used. Seriously, spend 10 minutes reading what comes up in a Google search on that rag and you'll never trust them again.


No I dont waste my time infront of a computer all day, I work...  and read ALL mustang magazines when I can.  so because a tech article was paid for it is a lie?  OK....

Seriously....  wheres your proof of the lies, I didnt find any...
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: P71 on April 25, 2008, 12:23:10 AM
Must not have searched. And you really don't need all day, 10 minutes will do just fine. Or ask the guys on NATO about the TC vs. SC shootout...

I'm not saying that every article they have is false (hell I still subscribe), but read it with a grain of salt and a dose of common sense. No plug (especially one not even designed for a piston engine!) is going to magically give you HP/TQ unless the old plugs were fouled. Good plug for good plug is a wash in every style of engine at every power level.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 25, 2008, 04:17:41 AM
Quote from: P71;215654
Must not have searched. And you really don't need all day, 10 minutes will do just fine. Or ask the guys on NATO about the TC vs. SC shootout...

I'm not saying that every article they have is false (hell I still subscribe), but read it with a grain of salt and a dose of common sense. No plug (especially one not even designed for a piston engine!) is going to magically give you HP/TQ unless the old plugs were fouled. Good plug for good plug is a wash in every style of engine at every power level.


hahaha yeah ok....  Take a guess where they got the idea for that shootout to begin with...  "boo hoo, ours TC's weren't fast enough for what they were looking for, lets call them a bunch of liars for it.":shakeass:
I do take everything I read with a grain of salt, but I have not read anything to say that they lied about anything, and apparently you cant come up with anything solid to back up your words either or you would post it.

Thanks for turning my thread about going to the track, into a whinning about what you think of a magazine.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: P71 on April 25, 2008, 11:21:04 AM
Considering Glenn's TC was there and went faster then any of the SC's, I'd say they have a point... Seriously, read on NATO about how that whole fiasco went down.

Nice job at a whining mis-direct. Little busy with real life at the moment to dredge up all the dirt on MM&FF, but yeah when I get a minute I will just for you ;)

http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/t6371/

Do a little research independent of MM&FF on the plugs. You will quickly find that the +4 is intended for rotary engines only.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 25, 2008, 04:03:44 PM
Quote from: P71;215682

Do a little research independent of MM&FF on the plugs. You will quickly find that the +4 is intended for rotary engines only.


Im just so happy that you know what that plug was originally designed for.... :mullet:  actually im not, but...

REALLY dont care what they were intended for, and I haven't made a comment stating I disagreed with you about it, so were did that come from????...  my reasearch is my own personal experience... with these plugs.  I dont need to read about them or what they were "intended for" just as long as they work with my car....  guess what?  they work just fine in the 5.0L. too, thank you. :shakeass:

too busy with real life to dig up dirty on MM&FF, but not to busy to come on here and post this  huh?, yeah ok...:hick:
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: P71 on April 25, 2008, 06:46:09 PM
Takes 10 seconds to post something on the WiFi while sitting in the hospital waiting room and emailing family.

You're the one who turned it into a shiznit-stir, I just offered an opinion and then defended it when questioned. I've made the exact comment quite a few times here and nobody's ever questioned it (in fact I think the last thread turned into a MM&FF bash-fest).

Good for you if those plugs work on your 5.0, but I have a feeling that if you ever tried a standard plug on the same night at the strip you might actually see an improvement.
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 26, 2008, 07:36:28 AM
Quote from: P71;215738

Good for you if those plugs work on your 5.0, but I have a feeling that if you ever tried a standard plug on the same night at the strip you might actually see an improvement.


I did see an improvment... WITH the +4's.  Why do you think I run them in everything I own?  Think I would pay $80 for plugs if they dont work?
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: 1WLD BRD on April 26, 2008, 07:40:29 AM
Quote from: P71;215738
Takes 10 seconds to post something on the WiFi while sitting in the hospital waiting room and emailing family.

You're the one who turned it into a shiznit-stir, I just offered an opinion and then defended it when questioned. I've made the exact comment quite a few times here and nobody's ever questioned it (in fact I think the last thread turned into a MM&FF bash-fest).

Good for you if those plugs work on your 5.0, but I have a feeling that if you ever tried a standard plug on the same night at the strip you might actually see an improvement.


well you haven't defended your comment with any proof yet....  and it is exactly that...  your opinion, not a fact, or you would bring up proof of it.  Show me the proof that they "lied" about something and I will appoligize. (power gains from a certain part, or saying they used a certain part when they didn't, etc. NOT that they didnt use a buddies car in a shootout)  most people back up a statement like that with proof, not excuses that you are too busy, (unless your name is Fila....:shakeass: )

And I did see an improvment... WITH the +4's.  Why do you think I run them in everything I own?  Think I would pay $80 for plugs if they dont work?
Title: Toronto Motorsports Park opening day today
Post by: SirChirpAlot on April 28, 2008, 08:52:04 AM
Well i have the same plugs in my GFs stang and they work fine on the spray with a msd box.
In my car the suck ass.  ford motorsports race plugs seem to be only plug that lasts on the street and at the track with my set up.
NGKs get all fouled in few days of driving.