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Technical => Engine Tech => Topic started by: xjeffs on April 01, 2008, 04:38:10 PM

Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: xjeffs on April 01, 2008, 04:38:10 PM
Are the 3.8/4.2L (FTBC, Mustang, F150, Windstar, Freestar) in any way related to the 5.0L (Is the block + or - 2 cylinder's difference?).  Fead, waterpump, timing chain cover, cylinder-to-cylinder spacing)... is there anything common?
Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: Kitz Kat on April 01, 2008, 07:28:45 PM
There ford moters,is this a trick ???
Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: Thunder Chicken on April 01, 2008, 08:20:29 PM
The engines are very loosely related, but to my knowledge no parts interchange, save for maybe the rocker arms and the fact that they have the same bell housing pattern (RWD only). I've read that the Ford 3.8 is more similar in design to the Buick 3.8 than it is to the Ford Windsor engines...
Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: xjeffs on April 01, 2008, 09:10:14 PM
Quote from: kitzdnm;212055
There ford moters,is this a trick ???


As in brothers TE and FO Ford?
Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 01, 2008, 10:26:21 PM
They are virtually no relation to a Windsor, as Carmen stated it's been compared to the 231 Buick V6(cept the Buick is a better engine)... Would have been too easy to follow Chevrolet's(and Buick) lead and design the 3.8 after a existing V8 engine...

Bore spacing 4.193 vs 4.380 for the Windsors...

Deck height 9.232 vs 8.206(5.0) or 9.503(5.8)

The dimensions for all Ford engines from the FE up, are in the Ford Racing catalogs...
Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: HAVI on April 01, 2008, 11:12:25 PM
IIRC the 3.8 is an Esshag engine, and obviously the Windsor is a Windsor, starting with the 221 in 1962.
Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: xjeffs on April 01, 2008, 11:49:23 PM
Quote from: HAVI;212116
IIRC the 3.8 is an Esshag engine, and obviously the Windsor is a Windsor, starting with the 221 in 1962.

Ah, that's right.  That's where I went wrong.  They're neighboring towns.
Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: xjeffs on April 01, 2008, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;212102
They are virtually no relation to a Windsor, as Carmen stated it's been compared to the 231 Buick V6(cept the Buick is a better engine)... Would have been too easy to follow Chevrolet's(and Buick) lead and design the 3.8 after a existing V8 engine...

Bore spacing 4.193 vs 4.380 for the Windsors...

Deck height 9.232 vs 8.206(5.0) or 9.503(5.8)

The dimensions for all Ford engines from the FE up, are in the Ford Racing catalogs...


Thanks
Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on April 02, 2008, 04:55:26 PM
Quote from: HAVI;212116
IIRC the 3.8 is an Esshag engine, and obviously the Windsor is a Windsor, starting with the 221 in 1962.


But did you know in the 60s the small blocks were also built in Cleveland??? At that time they were known just as "small blocks"... Only when the 351 Cleveland was introduced was it necessary to have a distinction between the two 351s... AFAIK, Cleveland and Windsor kept building 302s for several years...
Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: the_intimidator03 on April 02, 2008, 05:59:20 PM
http://www.babpen 15s.com/editorial/ar/ar90134.htm

Perhaps that link there will give you a little insight to the history and design of the 3.8 ford motor and its variations over the years
Title: Windsor engine relations
Post by: JeremyB on April 08, 2008, 05:07:29 PM
Excellent information regarding the 3.8's roots.

http://v6power.net/vb/showthread.php?t=34909