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Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: Innes on February 15, 2008, 08:08:23 PM
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Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: V8Demon on February 15, 2008, 08:25:49 PM
To HELL with Nascar. This week marked the end of a nice period on Speed Network without hours upon hours of Nascar.
I'm taking a liking to off-road 4X4 racing.
Sorry Bill, there's just no diversity in Nascar IMHO. The cars are all the same and innovation is frowned upon unless it's an advertisp00get logo.
SCCA, Formula One, and 4X4 Off-road for me please....
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: ~AC on February 15, 2008, 09:27:04 PM
heh, sorry if you dont like spec racing. oh i guess you absolutely DESPISE the spec miata series. i mean GOSH no inovation there! if scca or off road championships could get the publicity they'd get more air time. nascar is money. nascar owns that much of fox that they get their own channel. be glad they took notes from speedvision. i would BET there are more people racing spec stock cars around the nation than the entire active drivers of SCCA.
I dont get why people say the hell with nascar and such. if there wasnt nascar, which is so huge, we wouldnt have anything in america. F1 doesnt come here. SCCA is the only good racing which includes the formula daytona rolex series cars. what else? nothing, cart is dead, irl is dead. nascar is the best racing on tv. the coverage is great THANKS to speed.
but everyone has opinions, my 2 cents.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: V8Demon on February 15, 2008, 09:39:19 PM
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oh i guess you absolutely DESPISE the spec miata series
Did I say that? No innovation in it, BUT it hasn't wd itself out to advertisers either. Spec Miata is also meant to be affordable to regular folks.
Millions upon Millions are spent on each Nascar team each year....There was a time that the money spent on those teams got was put towards something that gave an edge and was later addopted by others thus furthering the advancement of racing. Some of those innovations trickled down into mainstream vehicles that Joe Public bought.
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the coverage is great THANKS to speed.
And how many EXTRA hours of previews and Re-views and armchair quarterbacking must I endure in between each Nascar race on the Speed Network? Enough is enough.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on February 15, 2008, 09:39:45 PM
NASCAR used to be fun,(watched every race in '85 when the contry bumpkins from GA kicked the big boys ass on the superspeedways) but now days its all the same ole same ole... Gotta keep the cars equal, make the sponsors happy, bla, bla...
Yes I'll prob watch most of it, but then I have a bad cold, so am more or less a captive audience... Once the season gets rolling, I'll prob check about Wed to see who won the last race...
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: irv on February 16, 2008, 09:59:21 AM
going snowmobiling. more fun.--irv
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: FLSTCI71 on February 16, 2008, 11:41:46 AM
I used to watch it religiously. I even went down to the pool hall in Dawsonville, GA to get an official souvenir when Bill Elliott won the championship for Ford in his '88 Bird. Then I even bought an '88 Bird (had to buy an LX, couldn't afford a TC at the time with two babies in the house). Now, it's just not as much fun. There are only a few Fords in it, so the odds are against us. They let Toyota in, which was the first strike, then they went to the Car Of Tomorrow, which was the second strike, then Little E went to Hendricks, which was the 3rd strike. I will watch Daytona because I have had a huge 500 party for about the last 15 years, but after that, I'm with TurboCoupe50, I'll check the results around mid-week. I'll spend Sundays in my shop working on my Fords instead of watching someone else racing their cookie cutter cars.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: 4bangen on February 16, 2008, 01:19:44 PM
I'll try and keep up but not verry hard. I'll normaly have something better to do. I was a big fan back in the days of Richard Petty, Bobby, and Davy Allison, Alan Kulwicki, And a big fan of Ernie Ervin. But all those guys are gone. Mark Martin was the last of the drivers I liked, and he's mostly retired now. Oh well.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: Prototype Services on February 17, 2008, 03:44:45 AM
Wow, rough cowd.....
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: vinnietbird on February 17, 2008, 08:26:35 AM
I agree with a lot of the above posts.Nascar isn't as "fun" as it used to be.Pretty guys driving,for the most part,the same cars.I too remember seeing the old Chargers,Monte Carlos,etc. tear up the tracks.real racing when it was about the driver and his car,not the sponsor's logos all over the car.I think the spirit of Nascar has been sold out.Too bad.I'll end up watching a re-run of some movie and start resoring a set of taillights.There's probably more excitement in the tailights than the Daytona 500..
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: HAVI on February 17, 2008, 09:00:06 AM
+1. I used to watch religiously, then lost interest a bit, then started playing yahoo fantasy auto racing. I finished in the top about 5 years ago. Then everything kinda went down from there. I don't follow it as much anymore, but I still keep tabs on it. After football season, I find myself behind on weekend to-do's, and use the nascar season to get caught up again.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: Innes on February 17, 2008, 11:59:38 AM
I think all sports are the same in the professional level including motorsports. In this level of professional driving it’s very rare to see any driver get dirty other than john force my man always looks like he’s into his work. Think of the driver like the quarterback I’m sure the team owner wouldn’t appreciate it if there drive was turning a wrench no matter what sanction. Why is NASCAR popular, ill tell you there constantly trying to make the sport better. Every year it’s something different for the FANS because yes it’s a spectator sport. The dayton500 is the big picture you want to do what they do, do you love the ROOTS of stockcar racing go to you local circle track find a class the you enjoy. As for the car of tomorrow I admit I hated it at first but now that I’m learning more it was essential to what they do. Safety being first then anyone here that ever raced looking for an edge OK lets call it cheating every racer does it. These cars are stockcars there not exactly arro-friendlly this equalizes the field. Yea I now equal shemequle but you give me a race sanction anywhere in the world that any of the starting 43 can win that’s why it’s the biggest spectator sport maybe it don’t please everyone. But if football was still played w/leather helmets and they got paid nothing it might be better. As for Toyota I’m kind of bent over it but you know what other than the name it is made here more then some American cars but I know its still not American. #2 I’m a little mad at our big 3 there sitting on there morels to long now this is great for hot-rodders I hope Toyota spanks them and WAKES them up. Toyota is giving all kinds of help I don’t see ford or chevy doing that. Na they will win nothing will happen
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: Innes on February 17, 2008, 10:20:19 PM
Anyway good race, All along worried about Toyota and dodge wiped but. Toyota 2nd best and 1 Ford and 1 Chevy in the top ten
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: Blck85TBirdV8 on February 17, 2008, 10:58:06 PM
Penske 1-2 Baby!
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: Innes on February 17, 2008, 11:00:30 PM
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Penske 1-2 Baby!
gotta admit I didn’t see that coming
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: ~AC on February 17, 2008, 11:02:34 PM
on the surface nascar is all about sponsors and image. and yes millions are spent each year for them. condemn them for spending money hand over fist, F1, WRC, etc is condemned as well. althought every car looks the same, the angles of every bar in each car is different, only similar b/c they come out of the same garage. i dont see why people have to SEE inovation like the aerodynamics, wings/spoilers, splitters, etc. people just dont realize theres a guy sitting on a stool 24/7/365 holding his chin trying to figure out how to get 1 more tenth out of the cars. theres another guy sitting on a stool trying to figure out the suspension geometry. lots of people on stools and theres a lot of doodles on beer napkins. THAT is where the money goes.
look at the car of today, and a car from 1998, a decade ago. leaps and strides forward, and then ten steps back b/c of rules.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: kingcars on February 18, 2008, 01:55:00 AM
I'm not a big fan, but I do watch NASCAR...mainly the very beginning and very end of races. The rest is just boring. Anyways, about the race:
1) How many times does Juan Pablo Montoya have to just drive through people before anyone takes notice? In almost every race I have watched since about mid way through last season (maybe earlier), every time I see his car on the TV screen, I say "Oh lord, I feel bad for the guys racing around him....here comes a wreck." 9 times out of freakin 10, within a couple of minutes, someone is in the wall and the replay shows that idiot plowing through whoever wrecked.
2) Thank goodness Tony Stewart didnt win. I hate that scum bag.
3) Dammit, the past 3 years in a row, my driver (Matt Kenseth) is runnin in the top 5 or top 10 only to be taken out because someone else doesnt know how the hell to drive. That blows.
4) Yay, Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson both had problems that took em out of the race. That always makes me happy.
5) I'm so happy Tony Stewart didn't win....did I already say that?
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: tc² on February 18, 2008, 02:42:32 AM
Ryan Newman FTMFW.
"There ain't no ride like this at Disney World."
Hornish didn't look to shabby either. I think he was up to 5th at some point.
Go Penske!
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: V8Demon on February 18, 2008, 09:10:51 AM
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on the surface nascar is all about sponsors and image
And the middle and the bottom. It's all about the Dollar.
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i dont see why people have to SEE inovation like the aerodynamics, wings/spoilers, splitters
Aerodynamics could be improved......Wings and spoilers?! Most probably the last place of people who want to see those is the members this forum (as a whole)
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theres a guy sitting on a stool 24/7/365 holding his chin trying to figure out how to get 1 more tenth out of the cars. theres another guy sitting on a stool trying to figure out the suspension geometry. lots of people on stools and theres a lot of doodles on beer napkins. THAT is where the money goes.
No doubt about the suspension machines and wind tunnels, but how much for MY doodle on a napkin?! $100,000!!??
How about fuel injection for better MPG? We are trying to clean up the environment in this day and age, arent we? How about independent suspension? There ARE a few road race tracks in Nascar.
And again enough of the 75 hours of BS surrounding a 3 hour race.....EVERY WEEK! A one hour special on Speed Network about how they make Nascar commercials for prime time T.V. Who cares?! I can understand a couple of hours daily for Nascar, but the amount of coverage is ridiculous. That's what happens when it's all about the Dollar though. Attempt to get EVERYONE to like it. Problem is their ramming it down peoples throats so hard many are disconcerted by it.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: 83-88T-Bird Guy on February 18, 2008, 09:18:44 AM
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gotta admit I didn’t see that coming
Neither did Tony Stewart!
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: 83-88T-Bird Guy on February 18, 2008, 09:40:10 AM
IMO, 1988 was the last of the "Glory years"
In 88 you could still order a V-8 RWD Monte Carlo, Grand prix, etc.
In 1989, Nascar tried to fool everyone into believing you could order a new Lumina like the one raced on Sundays. I don't recall the Lumina coming with a V-8 or Rear wheel drive.
When the Taurus showed up as a 2 door, that was the final blow.
Oh yes, that Tom Cruise movie, Days of Blunder, didn't help either. WTF was the director thinking???? One frame the cars are clean, the next they are dirty, then back to clean and so on.
I guess the viewers were not supposed to see that while they were "watching" the movie.
Give credit to the Cashcar (oops...I mean Nascar) marketing group on a great job of taking an entertainment event and convincing non- gearheads they "need" to watch it every week.
Oh yes, my 1987 460 Turbo Coupe is nicknamed " Elliot" (still the King of speed at Nascar);)
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: V8Demon on February 18, 2008, 09:56:46 AM
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Give credit to the Cashcar (oops...I mean Nascar) marketing group on a great job of taking an entertainment event and convincing non- gearheads they "need" to watch it every week.
:bowdown:
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: EricCoolCats on February 18, 2008, 10:01:09 AM
http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/4318
Best. NASCAR. Article. Evah.
**stirs up shiznit and runs**
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: Chuck W on February 18, 2008, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;204916
http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/4318
Best. NASCAR. Article. Evah.
**stirs up shiznit and runs**
Pretty much agree with it all, but then again I DESPISE it anyway.
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My take is that NASCAR is suffering from six things:
First, overexposure; you can't go anywhere on TV without finding something NASCAR-related, or finding some NASCAR-type race being televised. I just think the TV audience is drowning in NASCAR coverage, and are saying enough is enough.
DING!
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: oldraven on February 18, 2008, 10:10:10 AM
I get a kick out of people calling it a Motorsport. It's not a sport, it's a show. About the only thing they haven't regulated yet is how much the driver is allowed to weigh. It says a lot about the fans too, when they feel letting a foreign competitor in is the downfall of the series. You wonder why F1 never took off? Look no farther.
And Bill Elliot is no hero. He's a 'slipped out the back door' whiny bitch.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: stuntmannick on February 18, 2008, 11:00:49 AM
Nascar would be so much better if it had a lot less rules.
I haven't watched tv since the super bowl.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: gumby on February 18, 2008, 12:41:01 PM
the toyota commercial with the remote controls was great. i also like the sprint commercials with the glowing line art "monster" cars....
FWIW, it was on the whole time, but i was doin other stuff around the house. i watched the last 50 or so laps. its kinda required for me; like current events for a high school student...you dont always care about every story, but you better know whats goin on in case there is a pop quiz! i used to really enjoy watchin it, but now i jus keep myself abreast of whats goin on so im not clueless at work. im glad i dont work in the roush shop today....
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: 20th anny 5.o on February 18, 2008, 02:04:47 PM
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To HELL with Nascar. This week marked the end of a nice period on Speed Network without hours upon hours of Nascar.
I'm taking a liking to off-road 4X4 racing.
Sorry Bill, there's just no diversity in Nascar IMHO. The cars are all the same and innovation is frowned upon unless it's an advertisp00get logo.
SCCA, Formula One, and 4X4 Off-road for me please....
x2
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: kingcars on February 18, 2008, 04:01:57 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;204916
http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/4318
Best. NASCAR. Article. Evah.
**stirs up shiznit and runs**
A few of those "problems" are dealing with stereotypes. If people can't look past a stereotype, they can fvck off. As for the rest, I agree...except that I do think oval racing is very exciting at times. Its just that the races are so long, it's only worth watching the last 20 laps or so.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: EricCoolCats on February 18, 2008, 04:18:54 PM
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A few of those "problems" are dealing with stereotypes. If people can't look past a stereotype, they can fvck off.
That may have been written from a "Yankee" point of view, but in every stereotype there seems to be a small kernel of truth. As soon as the majority of Southerners can admit that THEY LOST THE CIVIL WAR 150 YEARS AGO, I don't think there will be a problem with Southern stereotyping anymore. ;)
**stirs up shiznit again and runs fast**
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: JeremyB on February 18, 2008, 04:46:42 PM
O, I wish I was in the land of cotton Old times there are not forgotten Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land
O, I wish I was in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray! In Dixie Land I'll take my stand To live and die in Dixie Away, away, Away down south in Dixie!
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: kingcars on February 18, 2008, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;204946
That may have been written from a "Yankee" point of view, but in every stereotype there seems to be a small kernel of truth. As soon as the majority of Southerners can admit that THEY LOST THE CIVIL WAR 150 YEARS AGO, I don't think there will be a problem with Southern stereotyping anymore. ;)
**stirs up shiznit again and runs fast**
Haha keep in mind I'm a northerner and even though ive resided here in NC, I have still grown up in a very northern household. I simply hate stereotypes of any kind.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: stuntmannick on February 18, 2008, 08:16:26 PM
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Haha keep in mind I'm a northerner and even though ive resided here in NC, I have still grown up in a very northern household. I simply hate stereotypes of any kind.
So what do you mean by "very northern"?
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: kingcars on February 18, 2008, 09:04:53 PM
Both of my parents grew up in new york. We moved to NC when I was 3 and my sister was 6. We're of mostly Italian decent. I was brought up that way, as was my sister.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: P71 on February 19, 2008, 12:35:51 AM
NASCAR: Just like watching Skittles in a toilet bowl.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: ~AC on February 19, 2008, 04:21:33 AM
meh. you guys kill me with this yankee trash talkin. wasnt the civil war over 100 years ago and why do i only hear about yankee's bragging about it still to this day? i mean why do you think some johnny rebel is ganna say something just to piss you off?
anyway, nascar hasnt been STOCK CARS for me since 87-88 when bill elliot cut almost 3 inches out of the entire center of the car to make it cut at daytona better. i mean if you can cut a car in half long ways, and it still wins... uhhh thats so far from stock im not even ganna go there. IRS isnt needed in nascar. besides, what happens to an IRS when you blow an axle at 150mph at 7500 rpm with about 800 hp? i dont even want to imagine the protective plating and straps that would weigh the car down even more. and honestly, i know you guys like coilovers and all, but IMO there is nothing better than S/LA front suspension. look at the rule book, between the print, there sure is a lot of grey area.
BTW V8Demon, if you get hired, yep, your beer napkins could be worth more than 100,000... maybe be worth 400,000 a year? as far as fuel efficiancy, EFI, electronically controlled fuel injection right? well how many ways to sunday is there to cheat there? how expensive is that? would you want to sit through a race for 3 hours instead of 4 b/c they never had to pit for gas? good thing nascar always can counteract that with goodyear in their pocket. besides, all that EFI junk on the engine, vs a carb. a simple carb. and they get better gas milage than any stock efi car today b/c those engines arent slapped together and put on a lot, they're pieces of art. engineering at it's best, but , its under the hood. thats why i mean it seems people have to SEE something to know that they're doing something outside of the box. i mean when you dyno 400 sets of headers for one engine for specific requirements, thats dedication and inovation, and thats just crackin the ice in that department.
as far as not liking the 800 hours of media coverage... turn it off. nothing else is going on obviously. wrc here? no. f1? no. IRL? kinda. cart? nope. to me the next strongest form of motorsports to nascar in america is the NHRA. i've never heard ANYONE complain about those cars... and uhh.. arent they just about the same with billboards all over them?
oh and nascar is running the steep steep rim of the toilet bowl, a road course just takes a long way around, and rally goes down the drain.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: oldraven on February 19, 2008, 07:21:04 AM
It's funny, you just said FI NASCAR's would never have to pit, but later say that these carbed NASCAR's get better milage than any stock efi car today. So which is it?
I'm sorry, but saying the south isn't stuck on the war is hiding your head in the sand. I'm Canadian and I've heard "the south will rise again" more times than I can count.
The most copied paint scheme of all time. (http://blog.text4cars.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/general_lee_.jpg)
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: gumby on February 19, 2008, 12:28:45 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;204916
**stirs up shiznit and runs**
Quote from: EricCoolCats;204946
**stirs up shiznit again and runs fast**
i must admit, you have done some amazing work in this thread......impressive. :brick:
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: JeremyB on February 19, 2008, 01:34:57 PM
Like my father before me, I will work the land, Like my brother above me, who took a rebel stand. He was just eighteen, proud and brave, But a Yankee laid him in his grave, I swear by the mud below my feet, You can't raise a Caine back up when he's in defeat.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: ~AC on February 19, 2008, 04:02:21 PM
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It's funny, you just said FI NASCAR's would never have to pit, but later say that these carbed NASCAR's get better milage than any stock efi car today. So which is it?
I'm sorry, but saying the south isn't stuck on the war is hiding your head in the sand. I'm Canadian and I've heard "the south will rise again" more times than I can count.
The most copied paint scheme of all time. (http://blog.text4cars.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/general_lee_.jpg)
uhm. they wouldnt have to pit b/c the tune and blueprint which takes advantage of burning ALL fuel causes better gas mileage. something a bone stock show room floor doesnt do. but you forgot to read that even if they didnt have to pit, goodyear would make a tire that only lasts 30-50 laps.
do us a favor keep you racism in canada and up north. n before you say something; insulting me for being southern and to say i think about the civil war like that is insulting, and a flat out [SIZE="7"]insult[/SIZE].
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: EricCoolCats on February 19, 2008, 04:30:32 PM
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do us a favor keep you racism in canada and up north.
Last I checked, "Southern" wasn't a race...so that can't be racism, now can it? :)
You can be insulted all you want. The fact is that NASCAR got its start from running moonshine in the South. There will always be a sort of "Southern mentality" that goes with NASCAR, no matter how broad of an audience it tries to reach and no matter what type of spin is put on the organization. And NASCAR as a whole is trying their dest to appeal to the entire country. As an organization it reminds me of Wal*Mart: they want to be ubiquitous. That's fine, but possibly the biggest downfall is the over-coverage of every event. TV channels are, I'm sure, giving the audience "what they want" but it is at the expense of other programming. For God's sake, why doesn't the Speed Channel just rename itself NASCAR Central and be done with it already?
BTW, The South is beautiful. I've been all over the South in my lifetime and have had nothing but great experiences. Friendly people...good ol' Southern hospitality...grits (and I've learned to like it!)...hot women with that Southern drawl...man, I love to go on vacation there.
But when I get asked, "When y'all Yanks gunna lerrn ta speak right up thar?", in every frickin' store (which also has enough Confederate flags for several lifetimes), I begin to think that, GEE, MAYBE WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF SORE LOSERS DOWN HERE. I respect your heritage, I respect your pride, I respect the Civil War...but YOU are the ones that bring up the North/South thing all the time. We've got plenty of other things up North to worry about (highways, civilization, etc.). ;)
You're taking this way too seriously. Just calm down.
**Woohoo! Running faster now...**
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: JeremyB on February 19, 2008, 05:26:18 PM
Explain how the South is hung up on the war? When someone yells out "The South will rise again", do you take it to mean the person literally wishes the CSA would re-form and give it to those dirty Yanks once and for all?
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: stuntmannick on February 19, 2008, 05:36:44 PM
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We've got plenty of other things up North to worry about (highways, civilization, etc.). ;)
:laughing:
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: cougarcragar on February 19, 2008, 05:37:46 PM
I think George Carlin said it best: "Driving 500 miles in a circle does not impress me, and it's always the same five rednecks who win these things anyway. Who gives a **** about these people?!?"
He said that 20 years ago, too.
I've never had the slightest interest in watching NASCAR for any reason whatsoever. The worst part about being stuck in this area is the frequency of NASCAR lunatics, and they're all the same. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a random Chevrolet product with a '3' or an '8' on the rear glass, which is usually right next to the ever-clever Calvin-g-on decal and the silhouette of the deer's head. Don't forget the enormous view-obstructing American flag decal on the rear glass, too. The frustrating thing is that these hilljacks always drive 5 mph slower than the posted speed limit. I guess you'll find them anywhere, though. It may seem like I took this thread into another tangent, but I associate that sport with what I just described, and I have no use for any of it.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: oldraven on February 19, 2008, 06:17:51 PM
Thank you Eric. Wow! South is a direction, man. I'm saying that I recognise the rivalry, mostly emanating from the south, and I'm from a different Nation. I suppose you think I have something against the south because I agreed with a 'Yankee'. You've got it all wrong. I think you're all traitors. ;)
Don't take this so seriously. I wasn't trying to insult anyone. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: JeremyB on February 19, 2008, 06:38:07 PM
I think the reason is it more pr0nounced in the South is due to an idealized view of the Antebellum era (Colonel Angus and Scarlet sipping sweet tea on the porch of their Plantation home while their slaves happily sing while working the fields) and an inferiority complex of having their asses handed to them on a platter and then enduring Reconstruction. Also, it's no secret that Northerners stereotypically look down on Southerners as hillbilly inbreds, which furthers the inferiority complex.
However, the rivalry goes deeper than just the War of Northern Aggression. There are cultural differences that predate the Revolutionary War. The rivalry doesn't fully stem from the War for Southern Independence nor does the rivalry's asymmetrical nature stem mean the South is stuck on the war.
And no, I'm not taking this too serious. :D
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: Tbird232ci on February 19, 2008, 06:48:42 PM
~AC is just like any person who wants to cry segregation, racism, separation, hate crime, etc.
Not a single insult has been thrown out here, yet he cries "Yankee" and "racism". Grow up, open your eyes, this is a FREE world.
Whats next "we need a scholarship for southerners, over 100 years ago, we lost a war, we need reparations?" "You Yankees do nothing more than try to hold us down!"
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: EricCoolCats on February 19, 2008, 06:54:16 PM
Quote from: JeremyB
Explain how the South is hung up on the war? When someone yells out "The South will rise again", do you take it to mean the person literally wishes the CSA would re-form and give it to those dirty Yanks once and for all?
Oh when I hear that, I feel that there's more than a hint of resentment there. Honestly, I don't know what to think. I'm not in that "club". But...it's the South's problem, not mine. ;)
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Also, it's no secret that Northerners stereotypically look down on Southerners as hillbilly inbreds, which furthers the inferiority complex.
That is very true. There's plenty of inbreeding going on the in the North. Only difference is the greater number of teeth.
I keed, I keed! ;)
But here's the thing...as a lifelong "Yank", the Southern thing has never, I repeat, NEVER been part of my daily life. I don't wake up every morning and wish that we could beat the living piss out of the South again. Now...tell me the opposite is true...
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Colonel Angus and Scarlet sipping sweet tea
Colonel Angus? I thought you liked his close cousin, Annal Angus. ;)
Bah-da-BUM!
Sorry for pickin' on ya, Jeremy, it's all in good fun. Unless you really do toss salads...
**The above was blatantly ripped off from a Saturday Night Live skit. Which is broadcast by NBC in New York City. Which is in the North.**
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: Innes on February 20, 2008, 09:14:06 AM
HOLY COW Where did this go Na let it go I’m laughing out loud reading this Goodtimes guys, if we only had some beers and can hear each other out load, this is funny.
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Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: ~AC on February 20, 2008, 02:13:51 PM
when i went to nti, i was 2nd in class (couldnt beat a guy with a bachelor's in mech engineering) the entire time, yet everyone called me a ga hick b/c most of the guys in my class migrated south for NTI. i mean i never said anything about being southern or anything about the south like any redneck stereotypically says, but they sure did say stuff to try and get me to argue with them like people arguing on the internet. to be honest it mostly came the worse from people from the country parts of new york, and they had a worse backwoods accent than i did. i guess i've ran into too many redneck yankees? you guys are cool so im not taking it seriously, i didnt get offended, just pointing out an insult. but this is kinda like ford vs chevy thing isnt it? lol. it might not be racism, but it sure is discrimination.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: V8Demon on February 20, 2008, 02:29:06 PM
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BTW V8Demon, if you get hired, yep, your beer napkins could be worth more than 100,000... maybe be worth 400,000 a year? as far as fuel efficiancy, EFI, electronically controlled fuel injection right? well how many ways to sunday is there to cheat there? how expensive is that? would you want to sit through a race for 3 hours instead of 4 b/c they never had to pit for gas? good thing nascar always can counteract that with goodyear in their pocket. besides, all that EFI junk on the engine, vs a carb. a simple carb. and they get better gas milage than any stock efi car today b/c those engines arent slapped together and put on a lot, they're pieces of art. engineering at it's best, but , its under the hood. thats why i mean it seems people have to SEE something to know that they're doing something outside of the box. i mean when you dyno 400 sets of headers for one engine for specific requirements, thats dedication and inovation, and thats just crackin the ice in that department.
as far as not liking the 800 hours of media coverage... turn it off. nothing else is going on obviously. wrc here? no. f1? no. IRL? kinda. cart? nope. to me the next strongest form of motorsports to nascar in america is the NHRA. i've never heard ANYONE complain about those cars... and uhh.. arent they just about the same with billboards all over them?
oh and nascar is running the steep steep rim of the toilet bowl, a road course just takes a long way around, and rally goes down the drain.
Excuse me, but ther's no way to cheat with a carb motor? If you say so....Fuel injection is used in endurance races (Sebring, LeMans) and Nascar does have tech inspections so what the issue? Price?!! If these engines are pieces of art as you say then the major expense of the issue would be CAD design for an intake manifold. I'm sure their is a ton of money spent there already for that extra tenth....nay thousandth. It's time for a change.....Perhaps even direct injection if feasible.
As far as the media coverage I do turn it off. It's unfortunate that I must do so. It was nice for the 2 months prior to see new things on Speed. Anybody who watched may know what I mean.
Oh, and how in the hell did the North/South thing come into play HERE on this board?! And the New York accent is off the Pier not the Backwoods.:p
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i didnt get offended, just pointing out an insult
Why point it out if you were not offended?
Still waiting on a reply about the IRS..... And if for one minute you think circle track is better than road racing I dare you to say it to anyone who has high speed road race training. Oh wait, you have. Me.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: ZondaC12 on February 20, 2008, 02:59:43 PM
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the country parts of new york, and they had a worse backwoods accent than i did. i guess i've ran into too many redneck yankees?
C'mon up hereabouts, or even better head up to Schroon Lake. Friend's family has a 2nd house up there, I've been up a couple times, met some reallll interesting people. "Redneck yankees" oh yes they got some up there. All the people I met anyway were real nice. I gotta luv em.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: JeremyB on February 20, 2008, 04:25:35 PM
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Oh when I hear that, I feel that there's more than a hint of resentment there. Honestly, I don't know what to think. I'm not in that "club". But...it's the South's problem, not mine. ;)
I wouldn't expect you to know what to think, you aren't in the club. And since club membership is invitation only, I doubt you ever will.
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That is very true. There's plenty of inbreeding going on the in the North. Only difference is the greater number of teeth.
I can only hope that fluoride treatment spreads to the most remote hollows (pr0nounced hollers) so that they can reach equal status with their northern comrades.
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But here's the thing...as a lifelong "Yank", the Southern thing has never, I repeat, NEVER been part of my daily life. I don't wake up every morning and wish that we could beat the living piss out of the South again. Now...tell me the opposite is true...
I see not being a part of the club leaves you clueless about what the "Southern thing" even is. But that's ok. I personally don't wake up every morning and wish that Lee wouldn't have ordered Pickett to charge at Gettysburg. My Civil War reenactment group only meets once a week! Plus Gettysburg only comes once a year. Lastly, I have not received approval to arm our reenactors with BARs and the artillery with hybrid rockets. It's bull, I say!
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Colonel Angus? I thought you liked his close cousin, Annal Angus. ;)
Bah-da-BUM!
Sorry for pickin' on ya, Jeremy, it's all in good fun. Unless you really do toss salads...
I'm afraid buttstuff Angus isn't welcome around these parts anymore, since the surgeries. I do miss him so. :(
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: gumby on February 20, 2008, 04:36:44 PM
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Still waiting on a reply about the IRS.....
musta missed this wonderful tidbit! ;)
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IRS isnt needed in nascar. besides, what happens to an IRS when you blow an axle at 150mph at 7500 rpm with about 800 hp? i dont even want to imagine the protective plating and straps that would weigh the car down even more.
apparently no one makes halfshafts strong enough for 800hp :rolleyes:
as far as FI goes. NASCAR could easily spec an intake and the associated programming. would probly be easier to find cheaters if they did. they just dont want to.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: V8Demon on February 20, 2008, 05:24:43 PM
LOL! Yeah I DID miss that! I'll insert my foot in my mouth in that one:toilet: MMM tasty.:punchballs:
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besides, what happens to an IRS when you blow an axle at 150mph at 7500 rpm with about 800 hp?
The same thing that happens with a solid one. It requires repair.
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i dont even want to imagine the protective plating and straps that would weigh the car down even more.
Plenty of high horsepower cars use IRS designed for those cars without putting on ridiculous amounts of heft.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: 1BadBird on February 20, 2008, 05:57:57 PM
There's a company that does make stronger axles for the Cobra IRS. It's Force5 or something like that. From what I've been told, what usually breaks on them are the outer axle stubs as they are only 28 spline pieces. When I am able to, I will be upgrading my axles to them. Anyway...................
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: P71 on February 20, 2008, 06:26:43 PM
The IRS argument is BS. F1, CART, IRL, LeMans, and GT racing ALL use IRS and ALL go faster/farther/longer then NASCAR races. Please!
NASCAR died when hand-made bodies replaced production bodies. It's been a bore-fest ever since. Some promoter is going to put together a real series (probably the return of Trans-Am) where the cars feature their factory suspensions/engines/drivetrains/bodies and it will absolutely hogwash NASCAR into "distant memory".
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: oldraven on February 20, 2008, 07:43:06 PM
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but this is kinda like ford vs chevy thing isnt it? lol. it might not be racism, but it sure is discrimination.
So am I still a racist if I own a Chevy truck and a Ford coupe? :hick:
V8 Super Cars! NASCAR as it should have been. http://www.v8supercar.com.au/
Because oval track fans really only care about one thing. ;) http://youtube.com/watch?v=uw2c2NWxs1w
Just to point out, being called a racist is a pretty big insult.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: Prototype Services on February 23, 2008, 05:46:14 AM
Youse guys are so funny......
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: 5.0willgo on February 23, 2008, 12:09:06 PM
Wow, where did this thread go, lol. Despite everyones opinion, I'm happy to say that I am a fan, and I was there for the 500. They did a tribute to the past winners which was pretty cool seeing all the old cars on display and out on the track.
So yeah, put about 2200 trouble free miles on the Tib, spent a pays worth of money and had 3 full days of the Florida sun.
Title: NASCAR fans
Post by: tc² on February 24, 2008, 12:45:39 AM
I moved from Ohio to Virginia when I was 5, and was called a "Yankee" by my classmates.
And I've heard "The South will rise again!" more times than I've heard my own name.