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Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 02, 2008, 01:55:06 AM
1997 Mountaineer 5.0 with:
Ported GT40P's with 1.55 ex. valves
Ported lower intake
E-303 cam
Ford Racing 1.7 RRs
Ford Racing 70mm TB
PMAS 75mm MAF
24lb Injectors
MAC Shorties
Accel Ignition

D&D Performance T-56 Kit with:
PRO 5.0 shifter
Zoom 2.5 clutch
Steeda quadrant/firewall adj.

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Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 02, 2008, 01:59:44 AM
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Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 02, 2008, 02:06:00 AM
I am still working on the Autometer Gauges so I will have more pictures soon. The car runs great and has lots of power. Still have the 2.73 7.5 out back, the '88 TC brakes and rear axle (3.55 for now) are next next.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: tc² on February 02, 2008, 02:33:59 AM
Wow, thats beautiful.  Your car looks awesome, inside and out.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: vinnietbird on February 02, 2008, 06:41:54 AM
Sweet.One more car finished with a manual tranny.I have GOT to get mine finished !!!!
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: dominator on February 02, 2008, 08:23:09 AM
Nice,so the e303 and the 1.7s work good for ya,no clearance problems???
T56 is that a 6speed???
Did you have to get a custom driveshaft??
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 02, 2008, 10:56:26 AM
You've got basically the same engine I do (with a different cam). Torquey SOB isn't it? ;) I have mine bolted up at an AOD but I have 3.73 gears. Makes for a fun drive.


 now I want to drive mine but I can't. The roads are covered in salt and there is 12 inches of snow on the ground.  winter.......
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 1WLD BRD on February 02, 2008, 12:38:38 PM
very cool, you are the first on the board to swap in a 6speed (successfully, as far as I know), need all the info on what was required for it, LOL.  why didn't you paint the engine bay while it was out?
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: Haystack on February 02, 2008, 01:53:12 PM
I hate you. That is basicailly the same thing I wanted to do with mine...
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 03, 2008, 03:22:22 AM
Thanks for all the positive comments.

Quote from: dominator;201608
Nice,so the e303 and the 1.7s work good for ya,no clearance problems???
T56 is that a 6speed???
Did you have to get a custom driveshaft??


Yeah, it worked. The guy that ported my heads thought I should be OK with ptv clearance and I've heard of other guys getting away with it so I sent the 1.6 RRs back and got 1.7s. Put it in straight up. Never did properly check ptv, just like to gamble I guess.:hick:  Yes it has 6 forward gears. Yes, the driveshaft was a custom piece and part of the kit from D&D.

Quote from: thunderjet302;201643
You've got basically the same engine I do (with a different cam). Torquey SOB isn't it? ;) I have mine bolted up at an AOD but I have 3.73 gears. Makes for a fun drive.


No, it doesn't seem very torquey at all. It's quite the opposite really. Don't get me wrong, it's got torque. It just has WAY more top end. I don't have the flow numbers infront of me but I think it was 215-220cfm @ .550" lift with the intake bolted on the head. It will be much more fun to drive with better rear gears.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: V8Demon on February 03, 2008, 03:32:11 AM
The E-cam has less low end grunt than your 266 cam Tjet....

VERY  good lookin engine!!!  Those flow #'s are awesome for GT-40's!
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 03, 2008, 03:37:41 AM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;201659
very cool, you are the first on the board to swap in a 6speed (successfully, as far as I know), need all the info on what was required for it, LOL.  why didn't you paint the engine bay while it was out?


I just didn't feel like painting it, maybe next time around.
I had to buy the following:
T-56 (came with shifter and bellhousing but got the Pro 5.0 shifter)
Crossmember
Driveshaft
Clutch
Clutch Fork and cover
Clutch cable (w/ firewall Adj. and alum. quadrant)
Clutch pedals (from a mustang)
A new gear for the VSS (got a new sensor too)
Shift / boot
ATF

D&D sells all the required parts with their "bolt in" kit to make it as simple as possible to install it in a Mustang. I just had to buy all the parts as if I was doing a T-5 swap. I did have to do some cutting around the crossmember to make it fit.
http://ddperformance.com/T56%20Kit%201979-1993.htm
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 03, 2008, 03:41:08 AM
Not the best looking cuts but it works. All the trial and error left me with some jagged edges.

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Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: vinnietbird on February 03, 2008, 06:47:22 AM
Very impressive.Kinda makes you proud,doesn't it?
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 03, 2008, 12:30:39 PM
That's why I'm showing everyone on here. I love my car.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 03, 2008, 11:42:16 PM
Quote from: 1WLD BRD;201659
very cool, you are the first on the board to swap in a 6speed (successfully, as far as I know), need all the info on what was required for it, LOL.  why didn't you paint the engine bay while it was out?


Andrew Beedle has a T-56 as well
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 05, 2008, 11:11:37 AM
Quote from: 86elan;201839


No, it doesn't seem very torquey at all. It's quite the opposite really. Don't get me wrong, it's got torque. It just has WAY more top end. I don't have the flow numbers infront of me but I think it was 215-220cfm @ .550" lift with the intake bolted on the head. It will be much more fun to drive with better rear gears.


Quote from: V8Demon;201842
The E-cam has less low end grunt than your 266 cam Tjet....

VERY  good lookin engine!!!  Those flow #'s are awesome for GT-40's!


I thought the E cam would have some low end grunt. I know it has more duration than my cam but I didn't think it gave up that much low end vs my cam. My setup pulls hard all the way up to the 5,000 rpm shift point.

I bet that gears (I have 3.73s in mine) help too......
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: shame302 on February 05, 2008, 02:07:41 PM
 its been a long time since ive driven a 5.0 car. the 4 valve feels more like a turbo 4 than anything. there worse with a centrifugal blower.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: Bob on February 05, 2008, 02:15:40 PM
So are you going with a 4.10 rear now that you got another gear? Whats the ratios on the gears?
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: thunderjet302 on February 05, 2008, 10:02:43 PM
Quote from: shame302;202253
its been a long time since ive driven a 5.0 car. the 4 valve feels more like a turbo 4 than anything. there worse with a centrifugal blower.



All bow down to the mighty 5.0 HO :shakeass:


jk ;)
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: vinnietbird on February 05, 2008, 10:09:11 PM
I just had to stop by and look at that car again.Yep,still sweet.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 06, 2008, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: thunderjet302;202213
I thought the E cam would have some low end grunt. I know it has more duration than my cam but I didn't think it gave up that much low end vs my cam. My setup pulls hard all the way up to the 5,000 rpm shift point.

I bet that gears (I have 3.73s in mine) help too......


I took it out again and yeah, it's got plenty of torque. It just doesn't feel right with the 2.73 rear gears. The E cam does have some grunt to it but it pulls very hard all the way to my rev-limiter. I have an Accel 300+ ignition box with a built-in rev-limiter that was set at 5500 when I hit it. I have since turned it up to 6250 and have not hit that yet. Still working on the Autometer Tach and Speedo.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 06, 2008, 11:22:40 PM
Quote from: thunder306;202256
So are you going with a 4.10 rear now that you got another gear? Whats the ratios on the gears?


I might step up to a 4.10 and an Auburn diff after I get the TC rear in and do some running around with the 3.55s for a while. I used to own a 1984 Z28 that had 3.73 rear gears and a 2.95 first gear in the T-5 (that is what my T-56 has) and I liked the way that felt. That car had a 305 with a larger cam and I felt no need to regear. 3.55 is so close that I don't think I would feel much of a difference between that and 3.73 so if I do change it it would go to 3.89 or 4.10 I don't want to go too low though.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 06, 2008, 11:26:59 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;202417
I just had to stop by and look at that car again.Yep,still sweet.


Thanks Vinnie. How do you like the E cam with 3.55 gears? I think you probably have a lower first gear in the transmission than I do.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: V8Demon on February 07, 2008, 12:30:30 AM
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I thought the E cam would have some low end grunt.


Ask anyone who's put one in an E7 head 302 with less than a 3.55 gear.....they are usually angry about the situation..... Porting heads and a gear swap help as does a converter.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: xjeffs on February 07, 2008, 10:41:27 AM
Porting can take away some low end torque.  You increase the port size and at low air flows your air velocity decreases and you can loose some swirl effect.  Of course it breathes better at higher revs.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 50tbrd88 on February 16, 2008, 04:16:34 PM
very nice work man.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: Carpimp1987 on February 16, 2008, 05:03:08 PM
The E-cam is good just wish it was a little better low end cam but i got it for $80 so when i get my Supercharger put on it i am sure i will be more happy with my E303 cam.

Also your T-Bird looks great i bet the T56 will be nice but i am Lazy so i will stay with a AOD.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: V8Demon on February 16, 2008, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;202699
Ask anyone who's put one in an E7 head 302 with less than a 3.55 gear.....they are usually angry about the situation..... Porting heads and a gear swap help as does a converter.


Quote
The E-cam is good just wish it was a little better low end cam


As I stated for E7's it's not the best choice.....With the ported GT-40's and 1.7's the engine naturally wants to go into the cam's powerband sooner than with E7 heads.  It fits better.
Some gear and a stall, subframes, and a strut tower brace and call it done, IMHO.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: vinnietbird on February 17, 2008, 08:35:03 AM
Quote from: 86elan;202675
Thanks Vinnie. How do you like the E cam with 3.55 gears? I think you probably have a lower first gear in the transmission than I do.


I love the cam,but I still have the stock Mustang converter in the tranny although the tranny has a shift kit installed,which I think holds the car back a little and it shifts around 4500.The car runs strong,really strong.The more I push the gas pedal,the better the car likes it.I think once I pull the AOD and install my 5 speed,the engine will really be a lot happier,and I'll see more of what the engine has to offer.The 3.55's are great for just everything (in my own opinion).Decent gas mileage,good performance.I have a chance to buy an 8.8 with 3.73's for $150.00.I may.I still have the 3.55 rear I bought two weeks ago I wanted to use.I've got some deciding to do.YET then,with a 5 speed,the 3.73's may be better than I think for the Sport.We'll see.
Title: Gauges
Post by: 86elan on February 17, 2008, 11:24:14 PM
This was in the middle of installing. I plan on putting a shift light where the now non functional factory temp gauge is
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Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: Haystack on February 18, 2008, 09:43:28 PM
I think you should maybe put the clock back and then put the rpm's guage over the temp side of things.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: booksix on February 19, 2008, 11:09:54 AM
Not that it has anything to do with the thread...  but the underside of your car is amazing!  I get sad when I see cars like that on here.  I bought my car in WI at 17...  it went through a few winters before I got it so it's coated with either undercoat or surface rust underneath.  Needs a bit of work...  I'm so jealous!  Jealous of the T56 as well BTW.  Looks great, good work.
Title: Mass Air H.O. and T-56 conversion done
Post by: 86elan on February 20, 2008, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: Haystack;204995
I think you should maybe put the clock back and then put the rpm's guage over the temp side of things.


Well, there's not going to be any clock going back on this panel with the hole cut for the round tach. My radio has a clock on it anyway. I did it this way so I didn't have to install a fuel level sending unit for another gauge and so that I didn't have to mess with the charging system because of the way the amp light is wired in. To have the tach and speedo next to eachother it would have taken alot more effort to do to make it all work. All the dummy lights work on the dash this way, the only thing that doesn't is the factory temp gauge wich is why I was thinking of having a shift light.
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