:hick: ...answer please?
I would say so... The block itself should be identical... The 91-93 cougars were only rated at 205, but that is with the 94-95 mustang style upper intake... They would already come with 19# fuel injectors, and I do believe that all have stuff for mass air. I don't think that all the sensors and parts will interchange though. The brackets are different and the timing cover maybe different as well. Also they have e7te heads I do believe.
Oh and also, the 94-95 mustangs were only rated at 215 hp, but as far as I can tell the main parts are all the same.
Exactly the same,the differance in hp was the bird and cougars restictive non true dual exaust.
The cam is different. The '91-93 T-bird/Cougar 5.0 cam is the same cam as in the '93 Cobra motor. The difference is the rocker arms. The Cobras had 1.7's, Cougarbirds had 1.6's. Cam part # starts with F1SE
too bad your in FL I got a nice 302 short block for sale :)
Also it has a different water pump and timing cover (the same as used on the 94-95 5.0 Mustangs). You would need to swap a Fox timing cover and water pump on.
Not if you use the accesories from the MN-12 ;)
Someone here did it in an 83 If I'm not mistaken, could have been an '84...
True. I just figured he was using the Fox ones ;)
Are you saying the only difference to the cam in the 91-93 t-bird/Cougar 5.0 is the rocker arms?
I'm only asking since the block I was getting, the seller is having problems with it and I haven't gotten it for about 5 weeks now.
That's a shame, I REALLY need one, but inexpensive...
No, what's being said is that the '91-'93 'bird/cougar HO has the '93 cobra spec cam...it's a milder cam than the HO cam is...what made it seem slightly more agressive in the cobra was the 1.7 roller rockers that the '93 cobra had...the 91-93 cougar/bird did not have 1.7 rockers.
And I'm actually looking into something that may be a contradiction to that (from a reliable source).....Does anyone have a Cobra cam laying around?
Eric, is the cam in your 'vert a Cobra cam? If so did you write the part # anywhere?
**Update -- the 91-92 Cougarbird has the F1SE cam though....Only the '93's have the Cobra cam.
Yes, I know the t-birds/cougar do not have 1.7 rockers.
See this thread about the cobra vs. HO cam if you think it is more aggresive -> http://foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=16923
There's a few different sources on the Cobra cam that have contradicting information. I'm not gonna say anything eithe way anymore until:
A: Someone shows me a legit Cobra cam with markings
B: I get fed up and just order one.....
We're getting hung up on the lift #'s anyway....Even in the thread you point back to there is no clear cut answer..... I'd heard the Cobra cam was the same as the 91-93 Cougarbird cam many times before from knowledgeable people. Perusing the internet leaves this open to debate. Looking HERE (http://"http://mustangforums.com/m_2540361/tm.htm")also shows even more confusion.....The high lift cam in the Cobra AND the 93-Cougar/Birds. I'm callin a doubtful on that......
Sort block is the same with exception to the cam. Why would you want to use a stock cam anyhow?
The 1993 Cobras have a different EEC, 24 lb/hr injectors, different MAF, GT40 iron heads, different cam, different rockers, and the GT40 lower with the Cobra upper. I think the TB is even larger.
Darren
We know.
The question arises over what the specs are on the Cobra cam and is it infact the same as the 91-93 Cougar/Thunderbird 5.0. I've heard yes and no. I want
proof either way....
Cobra Cam Specs:
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=986231&highlight=1993+cobra+cam+specs
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=887290&highlight=1993+cobra+cam+specs
GT Cam Specs:
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=980285&highlight=stock+cam+spec
Have a great day.
Darren
Thanks, but you just showed me info in threads that I've already read and the first two threads show different lift #'s for the Cobra cam. Close #'s, but different nonetheless.
AGAIN. I appreciate the effort, but it just doesn't satisfy me.....:sorry:
I require something more concrete, hence the reason I ask if anyone has firsthand knowledge, pics they took themselves, a Cobra cam laying around they can read the part # off of or take a micrometer to....
Is Kirschenbaum good enough?
Jeremy, I saw the reference you had before.....Was there any more to it? Advertised duration? Duration @ .050" ? ECL/ICL/LSA?
I believe so. I'll take a look when I get home and edit this post with the numbers.
edit:
Cool if the K'baum has 91-93 bird cam #'s post those too!
I just wanna say that my 92 Thunderbird had the GT cam F1ZE when I had the engine rebuilt. The Thunderbird got the revised cam in 93 to increase low end torque as well as smooth the idle quality.
Modern Mustangs by Jim Campisano also states that the 93 Cobra used the 93 Thunderbird Cam as a way to increase low end torque to compensate for the high flowing heads and intake.
Outstanding!! Thanks Jeremy, I've actually been looking for that.
So, for 1993 the Cougar/T-Bird 5.0 received the same camshaft from the factory as the 1993 Mustang Cobra albeit with a rocker arm that had a shorter ratio.
Specs for the Explorer cam for those interested are as follows:
Lobe lift: Intake - .264 Exhaust - .280 Multiply by rocker arm ratio for total lift ;)
Adv. Duration: Intake - 256 Exhaust - 266
ICL - 118
ECL - 114
LSA - 116
Intake Opens 10* ATDC
Intake Closes 66* ABDC
Exhaust Opens 66* BBDC
Exhaust Closes 20*BTDC
Overlap 30* @ advertised duration #'s