Sorry in advance everyone.
I have this little chp on my shoulder because my [COLOR="Red"]profile[/COLOR] contains a thread to which i was nearly banned but i can not for the life of me figure out why. I asked for help in this thread .........
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=17623
...and no one has stepped up yet to justify its basis. For no reasons that i can think of, someone has been a little too agressive with thier power in my opinion.
My offer still stands in the above thread. I thnk that pushing buttons this hard can only yield bad feelings. All i want is justification and it it cant be provided, then take down my negative profile.
My first thoughts after seeing it were that the mods may not know "how" to make that part go away. I can understand that to,, just let me know whats going on because it appears to me some people have special prvidges around here.
I appreciate this site and all it has to offer. I indulge in the occasional debate and healthy interaction on non car topics often and feel others do the same without getting thier hand smacked.
My above thread "Hey RFB" was indirectly directed at the board mods because that is where this problem started. If the problem started elsewhere, then it should have been revealed to me by now but it was not. Having a bot play hang man is rude and takes the personal touch away from what this site is about.
Getting threatened to have my legs broken is not taken lightly either. I know that some of you have defined the parameters of the "bot" but it is disturbing to me that one person being a mod can not explain this.
Race fans,, i make no assumptions in this world and to put it bluntly, i have prvided enough warning in advance to resolve this calmly.
Having the above thread locked was wrong and a direct result of people chiming in jumping in on a conversation that did not concern them nor directed towards them. Putting in anothers 2cents worth prevented this situation from getting the proper due it diserves. I did not ever intend to reply to anyone with negative input, i was going to keep it on topic because things like that can drift.
I just find it odd that i can get a profile stain while the other person claiming he also got smacked the same way does not have an infraction on his profile. DOES THIS PERSON have privledges the rest of us do not?
I can not change the fact that i refuse to take public humilation free of charge. Some will allow others to walk on them but i will stand up for myself when there is a battle worth fighting.
What you mods do not understand is that my personal reputation is being advertised here and my family across the country keep an eye on this site. I got a phone call again yesterday asking "what is the deal with that site" from a relative in Alabama.
For some odd reason,, i found myself kinda sticking up for the mods and explaining that these things happen ,, this that and another.
now to go find the delete button on my account ,, but it appears that options has been taken from me as well because i can no longer find it.
Message to everyone,, if this thread has nothing to do with you directly, then dont reply. You already got my request for help thread locked. This is for the mods only and since it is foolish nonsense anyway,, why waste YOUR time.
Enough of this indeed. You wanna keep dragging this up, fine, we'll keep it going. By the way, this issue does not affect me as I did not hit you with the infraction, but you seem pretty determined, so I'll give you some answers.
First, the reason for your infraction, so everyone who doesn't know what the hell we're talking about (and that would be everyone except you, me, and whoever left you the infraction): You wrongfully slammed Aerobird Motorsports (Mike) about his military retirement status, even after he provided you with the info you requested. Personally I don't think you had any right to ask for that info, but Mike obliged and gave it to you. I'm not familiar with US military protocol at all, so I didn't know who was right or wrong on such a trivial technicality (and didn't even care - as I told you before, I didn't leave the infraction). What I do know is that Mike's military service is obviously a source of pride for him, and you had no right to deride him. Besides, as you pointed out, Mike also got dinged for his part in the scuffle.
So now we all know why the infraction is there. Now about the consequences of getting an infraction.
First off, you were not even close to being banned. Banning requires 200 points worth of infractions, you received two. You had exactly 1/100th of the points required to be banned. I emphasize "had" because your points were taken back by the person who gave them to you. Even if they had not been taken back they would have expired after two days.
Now about that "damaged reputation". Did it ever occur to you, Scott, that the reason that Mike's infraction is not visible to you is that infractions are private? That's right - only YOU (and moderators) can see your own infractions. You can't see Mike's infractions, and similarly, he can't see yours.
In other words, this whole drama about your "public humiliation"? It's your own doing, because NOBODY ELSE COULD SEE YOUR INFRACTION IN YOUR PROFILE!!!! Nobody would have even known about it had you not repeatedly brought it into the spotlight. Those friends/relatives/whoever who have been looking at your profile and then asking you why you were "dinged" either are hacking the board to get moderator privileges so they can see your top-secret info, or they're lying to you, or they're reacting to your own posts. Your "public humiliation" was, until you made it public, just as private as your PM's.
As I explained to you earlier, RFB (Resident Forum Bitch) is a bot. Its only purpose is to inform somebody when they receive an infraction. "You breaka da rules I breaka you face" is this bot's user title. It is not part of any message directed at you or any other user. Hell, we don't hear Chuck complaining about a user called "Resident Forum Bitch" even though we all know that's his unofficial title. Regardless, the very wording of the user title should be enough to let you know it shouldn't be taken seriously. You continue to take it personally, and there's nothing I can do about that. Tough patooties.
Now then, with everything explained to you: I don't know if you have a "delete account" button or not, but I certainly do. Just give me the word. Be informed, though, that once the account is deleted, it's deleted. It can't be undone. Think it over before you give the word. You've been an upstanding member here from the beginning and I'd hate to see you go, but we don't respond well to "Screw you guys, I'm going home" foolishness. It's your call.
BTW, pictured below is a screenshot of your profile as seen by any other member. You'll note there is nothing there about any infractions.
Its the internet, yall.
grow up you fricking cry baby!!! ITs a good message board!!!!
dude, you need a life.... if you base your personal rep on here.... LMFAO!
at first i thought i was getting hit on a call but i think thats when they realized some things and wanted to discuss it so thats a different issue. glad i didnt post about it.
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I dont know whats visible and whats not visible to the public within a profile. All i know is that the phone call was to say "how was the holiday and such and the subject about the military thread got brought up. I told them i had that infraction , they did not say they saw it. No one that i am aware of is hacking anything. So since i said none of that, you should know not to call my family liers.
If my personal profile does not contain info about infractions,, then how could jeremyb see the infraction was reversed? Im just asking,, and trying to not make enyone upset.
those are your words thunderchicken,, not mine.
Aerobirds military status was appreciated by me in that thread. I just wanted him to clairfy his many many posts from previous topics where he said "i am also a retired armed forces vet" because i thought for sure he could not have been that old. Then he explained and i learned someting new. He implies in various posts that he basically gave uncle sam 20 plus years and never come out and says it although ive asked. Since your not aware of the US military system, its not your fault. I suppose that based on a lot of his "partial truths" ive noticed in his past, i was not going to let him take the ranks he implies without explaination.
For your informaiton, "Retired" is traditionally recognized as a person who gave all thier best years to the country.
I also pointed giving details about current command missions is not in the best interest of national security as poorly as it may be,,
Not once did i bash him on anything. Those are your words, not mine thunderchicken. and still do not knwo the basis of it.
"screw you guys, im going home
Again, these are your words thunderchicken, not mine.
I was told by another member that three points and your banned.
These are my words. I guess i learned something but it would have been helpful to have cleared that up when i brought it to the attention of you previously thunderchicken et all.
Im allowed to "deride" him cause ive been there and done that so its between us sailors, not you. Whatever deride means.
your implications,, not mine thunderchicken
Im not picking on you TC,, its just that you and others claim "IVE SAID' a lot and still cant read. Not nit picking but say what you mean and mean what you say. You say ive said things then cant back it up to save your lives. Stop saying i say things i dont.
IT only pushes buttons.
To the rest that replied,, why? i asked that this be kept to the mods , instead i point out again,,
Attention to detail.
and to shose who replied with bashing,, dont color the kettle black.
now back to my regularly schduled control arm bushings since i just now got back from pressing them in. updates to follow.
I enjoyed this board a lot more when it was unmoderated.
oh, i can field this one. :flame:
here is a detail you may have missed; this is a
public forum which has a
private message system.
if you would like sumthin to remain between yourself and anyone else, you might try using the
private message system, lest you get unsolicited replies from the public.
i would imagine there was never a time that this board was unmoderated, but rather a time when the users here acted in ways that didnt require moderation.
his words, but your attitude....
I believe was pointed out by this comment of
yours:WTF is your problem man? why are you trying to call out TC for your stupidity and three year old attitude? get on some prozac, or puppies or something.... and relax, and get over it, christ.... ;)
Actually,for military veteran's,(which,I have 5 years active duty under my belt with 14 months in the Persian Gulf in '90/'91),should we,as veterans be a little tougher than the what this fussing and griping shows.My dad always taught me to pick my battles,and to ask,"is it REALLY worth it?".That is why I don't sweat the little stuff.If another member here has a problem with my military history (which hasn't happened....that's an example),I could actually care less.That's my business,and the other person's problem who is questioning me,not mine.I KNOW where I stand,and that's all that's important.Everyone needs to shake hands like adult men,veterans with a little pride for God's sake,and move on.It's bickering like old women.Let's toughen up and get this over with.Don't we have car stuff we can be talking about,or making fun of the tuner guys,and the Chevy losers?.
cold and damp here.
A little stormy over the forum
hows your weather
I edited my post for more effect.The more I thought about it,the more I just have to shake my head.We have a pretty tight group here.Why screw it up over trivial that in the long run,is a non-issue.The more I read,I realized something.If I didn't see who was posting,or what forum,I would've sworn it was bickering old women.Stand tall,like a man should,and let this junk slip away and have a peaceful quiet death.
Don't sweat the petty things, Pet the sweaty things!
the old board was unmoderated for most of its life. There were absolutely no problems until people made them problems.
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?p=180258#post180258 (http://"http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?p=180258#post180258")
Case and point - I got an "infraction" for posting a smiley.
This RFB bs
the old board was unmoderated for most of its life. There were absolutely no problems until people made them problems.
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?p=180258#post180258 (http://"http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?p=180258#post180258")
Case and point - I got an "infraction" for posting a smiley.
Dude just drop it. No one is meaning to pick on you. It would suck if you left. You have more to offer to this board then most people ever have. This is a good board, its just having growing pains. People just take it all too seriously.
So wait a minute here. YOU tell your family members that YOU recieved an infraction, then you gripe that WE are damaging your reputation? It was YOU who said:
So tell me, Scott, who is doing that "advertising"?
Quite simple. Jeremy has semi-moderator status. He cannot close threads, ban people, etc, but he can do some things.
Oh, really?
That does not look like appreciation to me. It looks like derision, like you consider him below your definition of "retired" military. Then you went on to trivialize his medals. They may not mean much to you, but they obviously mean a lot to him, as does his military service. You were out of line with your comments.
I've just pointed out how you bashed him. I'd like to see how anybody can take your post as anything other than bashing. As for the pointing out that posting mission info is bad: I agree, but that's not what started this mess.
No, Scott, they're your words. 1 WLD BRD has already pointed that out, so I won't bother quoting it again.
I don't know who gave you that info, and you did not bring it to my attention that you thought three points got you banned. You should have known better anyway - in the history of this board there have been exactly two bannings. The very fact that the banning threshold would require 100 people to give you an infraction within two days shows that banning people is not the desired result. The infraction system exists ONLY to let members know that they're doing wrong.
The moment you posted in a public forum it became between you and everyone who read your post. Then you pretty much begged for me to become involved by starting this thread and the one Zach closed. That being said, you are not allowed to "deride" anybody, and I fail to see the satisfaction you would get from doing so to begin with. The fact that you've served longer than Mike does not take away from Mike being proud of his service.
I've backed up every claim I made with a quote from you. I'm not making anything up. As for pushing buttons, I'm rather certain that was your intention when you started this thread. Sometimes when you push a button it pushes back.
As somebody pointed out, if you don't want public input don't make public statements.
Have fun. Hope yours go easier than mine did.
Now for those who miss the good ol' days: Yes, it's true that this forum was traditionally unmoderated. Back when we only had about 200 active members that was fine. Unfortunately, over the past year or so, problems have been occurring with more and more frequency. Eric, Baxo, and myself could not handle the constant whining and PM's from member A complaining about member B, so we decided to enlist some help. It has actually gotten to the point that I rarely even check my PM's because I don't want to read a bunch of whining.
We put together a shortlist of what we considered upstanding members and picked a few out as moderators. Knowing that moderators would have their hands full as well but not wanting to have several dozen moderators, we added a few "semi-moderators" who could let people know they've done wrong.
Think of it like this: As a community grows it needs to add police officers to keep the peace. The remarkable (and depressing) amount of infighting going on in this once peaceful message board, which is driving members away at an alarming rate, is proof that we needed to do something.
...and to clarify it for everyone: Unless you really fvck up (IE rip somebody off, post spam, continuously insult other members or make derogatory threads, posts, etc), receiving an infraction does absolutely NOTHING to lower your status in this board. Nobody will even know about it except you and the person that "infracts" you. The infraction system exists only as a way to let somebody know that they're stepping out of line.
There,now that was easy enough.As I stated,shake hands (so to speak),man up,and move on.A lot of time has been wasted that could've been put to better use doing something else.I have said this before.I have thought of this forum a little tighter than most I have been to,and everyone should be able to be a productive part of the "family".Think before you speak.Be gracious,and enjoy what we have at this forum.This is a lot better than those poor losers who drive Civics and brag about the new stickers for their windshield.
Vinnie I couldn't help but smile when you wrote that. But families some times have their rough spots.
That is true.
Case in point here. Another forum I frequent, ocforums.com (fordman I found you there!) has 372 members logged in at the moment, 14 are moderators.
wasnt you a while back at random just decided to call me a post w,,lol:D
I took that as a funny and so in return for said funny, i clicked on your name simply replied back to the latest three posts you started. One of the threads was about some sort of wheel you were working on.
i typed "post w" in all three and thought you would grasp the playfull nature. This is back when my son was interested in a TC and i show your blue car to him cause i love what you did.
instead what happened? i heard it through the grapevine on IM,, "whats that jcassity's problem" coming from you indirectly. You get so inmature that you resolved to send me negative reputation.. I was astonishished bevcause i thought you were just jerking my chain and i wanted to jerk back playfully.
Now , i would deduce without any outside influence that you are some sort of MOD. WHY?,,,, because for the first time in well over a year, i went to my control panel a couple days ago. I then noticed there were negative reputation(s) from recent then yours way way back from that wheel thread.
Fast forward to the recent two days. That negative reputation dissappeared from you only.
Then it dawns on me,, hummm,,, he realizes that he cant call me a whinner ,,,,while looking like a whinner to the other mods.
sorry, just had to point that out.
CougarSE,, you've always had some sort of hard on for me anyways,, i deal with it and most of the time your point is in your post no matter how agressive you get a lot of the time. I just take it cause thats the way you are,,although recently not i can see.
This is what I'm talking about.It's not a competition to see who can dredge up what about who and pick apart everything a person says or has said about any given subject just to prove a point to see who is or isn't right.It's like children saying "Is not","is too","is not","is too".I also believe it's a little rediculous to hear something you don't care to hear,and then spend your time going back over an individuals past posts to see what you can "get" on them."Oh yeah,well back a year ago you said...(fill in the blank)".Does it really have to get THAT nit picky?I believe that when you're willing to go to such lengths to make that kind of point,it's looking for trouble,or,and arguement.There's too much "reacting",and not enough "responding".Because someone says something you don't like,or disagree with doesn't automatically make it an attack on your personal character.Do you know what character even is?It is,how you conduct yourself when no-one is watching or around,not what you do or say in front of everyone.Take care of your own backyard and enjoy the forum.
[COLOR="Red"][SIZE="5"]ARE WE DONE YET??!![/SIZE][/COLOR]
I would like this to be done....
TC has chosen to keep it open, so I'm not going to tread on an admins toes, but this whole thing is just silly.
Indeed it is. What needed to be said has been said, what needed ton be answered has been answered, so I think it's time to close this before people's reputations are damaged even further or feelings are hurt even more. Hasta la vista...
Wow, 3 pages worth in just one day? If I woulda been around to pay closer attention to this board yesterday I would have put a stop to this sooner than this third page.
All the energy that went into this thread could have been used to make the world a better place.