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Title: are these lights any good?
Post by: blackwidow on February 21, 2005, 06:30:34 PM
shud i go for these? are they exact fits?.......


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36476&item=7955775818&rd=1


wht you gurus think : ) ?
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: Cougar8775 on February 21, 2005, 07:09:10 PM
im looking to get some as well. i know baxo has some and he likes them and they function well. so im actually gonan get a pair when  ever my tax money gets here.
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: EricCoolCats on February 21, 2005, 08:50:53 PM
Yes, they're a direct fit. You may have to trim out the black headlight mounts (behind the headlamps now, where the adjusters attach) in the center for the new lenses to fit, but otherwise that's the extent of physical modifications. You'll definitely need to use the conversion harnesses that come with them to use the lights--H4's have a different wiring setup than our stock ones.
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: Thunder Chicken on February 21, 2005, 10:04:41 PM
I had considered a set of those for my Dakota, from the same seller, but didn't buy when I saw this part:
 
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DON'T BE FOOLED By OVERPRICED SHIPPING CHARGES..... Buyer to pay $26 shipping within the United States, except for AK, HI, GU, PR, USVI, PO Boxes, APO / FPO, and Canada those are $35, and $60 for the rest of the world.

Don't be fooled? And $26 to USA, $35 to Canada and $60 overseas isn't overpriced shipping? And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't USPS charge the same price to ship something to AK or HI as they do to any of the lower 48? I know Canada Post charges the same amount. As a matter of prinl I will not buy from somebody that advertises something really cheap and then screws you on shipping, but somebody that does so and then has the nerve to say to look out for it? I'll do without the headlights before I buy from him, thankyouverymuch. If I really wanted 'em I'd pay more to buy them from a seller with honest shipping quotes.
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: zpyro on February 22, 2005, 06:30:13 PM
(http://www.prostreetlighting.com/ebay/probe3.jpg)
hey, I can photoshop like that! :D
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: mjbtbrd on February 22, 2005, 08:37:16 PM
I agree Sam..............I will not buy from the e-bay people who play with shipping either.  I know people have to make money and shipping can't be exactly what they pay for postage/UPS, but  it doesn't cost that much to ship those.  I was looking at some DVD's and they guy wanted like 40 for shipping......  gimme a break.  I also was lookng at a 256 SD memory card and there are plenty on e-bay charging over 15 to ship them, again you gotta be sh***ting.  They ain't gonna get my money.
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: jkirchman on February 23, 2005, 10:57:22 AM
If it's cheaper than me going to buy it at the store and I don't need it right away then I don't mind over-paying for shipping.  It's the total that matters.
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: baxo on February 23, 2005, 11:54:02 AM
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If it's cheaper than me going to buy it at the store and I don't need it right away then I don't mind over-paying for shipping.  It's the total that matters.


Exactly.. I got the low and high beams from this guy.. came with the xenon bulbs and wiring harness.. with the shipping to Canada included my total was about $95. So i mean if his marketting stragedy is to show his product as low price and make up a bit of the difference in the shipping charge. whatever.. the overall total is still not bad, IMHO.
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: Thunder Chicken on February 23, 2005, 12:35:26 PM
Cheaper, but dishonest. Meanwhile (as an example only), another seller has the same lights for $2 more but $15 less shipping. Most see this guy with the cheaper price, buy the item, and then get screwed on shipping. They coulda had 'em for $13 less had they bought them from the other guy. Not only that, but jacking up shipping charges is against eBay policy (fee avoidance, because FVF is not charged on shipping)

Personally, I'd rather pay more and support the honest seller than save a few bucks and condone a dishonest seller, especially a dishonest seller that warns you in his own auctions to watch out for other sellers who are dishonest for the exact same reason.

You can buy new items cheap when they're stolen, too, and you save a few dollars, but look at what you're supporting. My prinls are worth more than a few dollars...
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: oldraven on February 23, 2005, 02:25:35 PM
Before you all call a guy dishonest, why don't you check out the actual shipping costs to and from these areas? Assuming someone is gouging you is paranoid. Finding out for yourself is being right.

I paid $73 for a Minolta XG-9 SLR with a telescopic/articulating Sakar flash, a 80-200 zoom and 23-75 macro, but it cost $75 to get it here from the UK. It seemed a little steep, until I actually checked with an international courrier. (CAN funds) You never know, he might be legit.
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: jkirchman on February 23, 2005, 05:10:03 PM
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They coulda had 'em for $13 less had they bought them from the other guy.


Then it's their own fault for not reading the auction more carefully, IMO.  If you want to pay more for something based on prinl then that is admirable.  It's just not my cup of tea when it's something so trivial.
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: Haystack on February 23, 2005, 05:19:46 PM
still it sucks to have to go throgh 75 ebay stores that say $5.00 for something that might be worth $10, before you find one without $10 for shipping
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: Thunder Chicken on February 23, 2005, 10:56:14 PM
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Before you all call a guy dishonest, why don't you check out the actual shipping costs to and from these areas? Assuming someone is gouging you is paranoid. Finding out for yourself is being right.

I send approximately 1,000 parcels out to the USA a year, spending roughly $900 per month at the post office. I receive about 50-60 parcels a year from the USA as well. I'm kinda big into ebay :D The biggest parcel I had received was a complete trailer hitch for my T-Bird, and it cost $30 to ship. Unless those headlights are made out of lead, or unless the guy's sending 'em via overnight courier, there's no way they would cost $35 to ship to Canada. Probably closer to $15 for USPS airmail, maybe $20 for international express. Paranoid maybe, but it's educated paranoia.
 
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Then it's their own fault for not reading the auction more carefully, IMO.

True enough, and that is the excuse a seller like that would use when he's ripped apart in the ebay message forums, but taking advantage of people, no matter how stupid those people are, is wrong. If somebody scammed my gramma with one of those telemarketing scams I wouldn't say it's her own fault for not checking things out further.
 
I have no problem with people making a buck or two on shipping charges (I actually lose money on about 98% of my shipments, but such is the cost of business and keeping customers happy), but when people offer something at an apparently good price and then rape you in the fine print, it is immoral, and when dealing with an eel like this one can only imagine what kind of customer service they'll get if there's a problem. Even if you got a refund for a broken part, I bet he doesn't refund shipping charges, so you pay $35 for a $15 shipment, then you have to pay $15 to send it back only to be refunded $9.99. This particular seller goes so far as to say "Don't trust the other sellers because they rip you off with shipping, but kindly bend over while I slip it in".
 
If you don't mind supporting this practice, by all means, buy the headlights. Show the seller his scam works. Sadly, most people that do business with this type draw their opinions of ebay (and online purchcases in general) from these transactions. This is why ebay has been falling apart.
 
On a slightly related note, it amazes me just how tainted one's opinion can become after one bad transaction. I have seen countless auctions that stated "WILL NOT SHIP TO CANADA. I GOT RIPPED OFF BY A CANADIAN ONCE". One Canadian ripped him off,  30 million are now not welcome in his "store". Of course, as a Canadian I have a major gripe with every ignorant  that won't ship outside the "lower 48" anyway...
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: jkirchman on February 24, 2005, 10:54:24 AM
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ebay has been falling apart.


I wouldn't go that far.  Whenever I'm looking for a hard to find item of any kind eBay is the first place I go to.  I won and paid for an RC airplane on Feb. 10.  After I didn't hear anything for a couple days I emailed the seller to make sure he got my payment.  He said he did and he was going to send the plane out the next day.  Well the next day he emailed me back and told me that he damaged the wing when he was packing it and that he had more wings on order.  He asked me if I was okay with the delay and said he would include a free extra battery and prop as a way to make up for it.  That's the way to do business and I think the majority of sellers on eBay still do that.  I usually won't buy from anyone that has less than 99% feedback anyway and, in four years of buying and selling, I've only had one bad transaction.

But, then again, I've always loved garage sales and flea markets.  :D
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: Bird351 on February 24, 2005, 11:12:59 AM
Well, at least you didn't tell him he was wrong based on something from about.com.. :rollin:
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: Ifixyawata on February 24, 2005, 01:41:42 PM
Quote from: Bird351
Well, at least you didn't tell him he was wrong based on something from about.com.. :rollin:


Zing!
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: Thunder Chicken on February 24, 2005, 04:59:22 PM
Jim...
 
Don't get me wrong. I LOVE eBay, both for selling and for buying. I've actually surpassed the point that 50% of my income comes from eBay, so perish forbid that i bite the hand that feeds me, so to speak. I have also found some hard-to-find parts, and items that I never would have even considered but had ideas put into my head when I stumbled on the auction (such as the Explorer overhead console with temp/compass that's gonna go into the T-Bird). Of course being Canadian it's considerably more difficult with the asshats that won't sell to Canadians out of ignorance (if any of you are reading this and you have auctions that say "will ship to USA only", you're an asshat - there, I've said it. Especially if you're selling something I want.)
 
Yep. I love Ebay, but there is no denying that it is going to hell. Just read the ebay message boards to see the growing discontent among sellers and customers alike.
 
Sellers are pissed off because:
Meanwhile buyers are disenfranchised due to:
The problem is that when somebody comes up with a convenient way of doing business everybody jumps in (too many sellers), then the crooks jump in to take advantage of the new method (fraud), which in turn discourages people from using the service or method. This is happening with ebay - they've peaked and are sliding now. They'll never go away, but they'll never be like they were in their heyday, either.
Title: Re: are these lights any good?
Post by: jkirchman on February 24, 2005, 05:07:21 PM
You, sir, are a debating fool ain't ya?  LOL  :giggle:

Okay I digress.  Ebay's heyday is over and they are going to the dogs.