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Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: P71 on November 15, 2007, 10:04:23 PM
Federal-Mogul owns: Fel-Pro, Federal-Mogul (duh), Champion, Carter, Moog, Sealed Power, and Speed-Pro
That means all Fel-Pro and Federal-Mogul gaskets are one and the same, except for the box and the part #.

Honeywell owns: Autolite, Motorcraft (plugs, wires, and filters), Fram, Prestone, Bendix
Yes, this means your Ford Motorcraft air and oil filters are FRAM and your plugs and wires are Autolite!

Other spark plugs: NGK owns NGK, Bosch owns Bosch

B&M owns: B&M Shifters (duh), Hurst Shifters (since early 2006), McLeod clutches

Prestolite owns: Prestolite wires, Mr. Gasket, Accel, Hays, Lakewood, Mallory, Jacobs
This means that the same company manufacturers Accel, Mallory, and Jacobs Ignitions. They step up in quality in that order (Accel=cheap, Mallory=middle, Jacobs=$$$).

Summit Racing owns Trick Flow, well, kinda. They own majority control, but not the whole company. It's like that for tax reasons only though. It's also not advertised or really discussed.

Holley owns: Holley carbs (duh), NOS (nitrous), Weiand, Lunati, Earl's, Hooker Headers, and Flowtech.

Edelbrock owns: Edelbrock. Do they really need anything else? Well, they own Russell too.

COMP owns: Comp Cams (duh), TCI, ZEX, RHS, F.A.S.T., and AETC.

Mikronite owns: Mikronite (duh), Crane Cams (very recently)


I hope that clears some things up...
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: Chuck W on November 15, 2007, 10:22:15 PM
Sorry...don't buy it.

Prove it....
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 15, 2007, 10:28:21 PM
Knew about Federal-Mogul, Prestolite, B&M, Holley and Summit, but I didn't know about Honeywell (I don't care about the rest).
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: P71 on November 15, 2007, 10:38:15 PM
Chuck,

This is according to their yearly financial statements, available on the parent companies website (except the Summit-Trick Flow). Most of the parent companies openly advertise which brands they do own (Holley for example). So, are there any in particular you don't believe?
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: daboss351 on November 15, 2007, 10:38:48 PM
 nice to know!
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: Chuck W on November 15, 2007, 10:44:14 PM
Owning the company does not mean the parts are identical...

I could give a rat's ass about "financial statements"....show me engineering specs...
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: Drewstang on November 15, 2007, 10:52:31 PM
Oh good Lord.........
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: P71 on November 15, 2007, 10:53:45 PM
It does when they're manufactured side-by-side on the same machines. When I order Motorcraft plugs I have to tell them to make sure they're branded Motorcraft instead of Autolite (bulk buy, no boxes). Grab a heat range tester and see for yourself.

The only other claim I made to identical parts was the Fel-Pro/Federal Mogul gaskets, and Federal-Mogul openly admits it. Well over 50% of their gaskets are even stamped with both part #s and only have a packaging difference (case in point the 8993 head gasket for 2.3's. Fel-Pro part #8993, Federal-Mogul part #FM8993).


And some I forgot;
NAPA Gold filters = made by WIX

Dana owns: Dana and Victor-Reinz
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: cougarcragar on November 15, 2007, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Aerobird Motorsports;187938

Yes, this means your Ford Motorcraft air and oil filters are FRAM...


Uh...
I doubt it.
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: V8Demon on November 15, 2007, 11:12:50 PM
Quote
your Ford Motorcraft oil filters are FRAM


Wrong.  Purolator.  http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

I've compared them very recently.  STILL Purolator.
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: P71 on November 15, 2007, 11:15:33 PM
Hmm, Honeywell has the contract. Maybe they haven't gotten the whole line? I can't get a firm part # list from them yet...

And yes, the filters have been Purolator for quite some time.
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: P71 on November 15, 2007, 11:19:50 PM
EDIT:

I read the contract wrong, Honeywell did NOT get Ford's contract for filters (due to Purolator's ongoing contract) but they did rather get the thermostat contract.

So Motorcraft:
Filters = Purolator
Spark Plugs/Wires = Autolite
Thermostats = Prestone
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: Ductape91 on November 16, 2007, 01:20:20 AM
honestly, i was ready to go rip my motorcraft oil filter off:shakeass:
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: Carpimp1987 on November 16, 2007, 03:36:24 AM
ok so if i swapped my ford racing plug wires to STEEDA would they be STEEDA wires or still autolites?
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: ipsd on November 16, 2007, 07:24:01 AM
This info isn't so new. Maybe you guys need to look at the back of the box that your parts come in. I've been working in the auto parts business for about 5yrs. There is more of this stuff than you think of. Trust me guys for a 1yr and a half I worked buying out parts stores and converting them into the company that I work for. I was amazed at the things we did. We would buy there old stock take it back to the warehouse and rebox it to our brand. I did this with just about any part you can think of. We would buy out a NAPA and there standard/echlin stuff would get boxed to Borg warner and our house brand. When you work in the parts business you really find out about what parts are made by who. So this info isn't so new. Read the back of the box or can you'll be amazed at who makes what.
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: P71 on November 16, 2007, 09:39:56 AM
Exactly ipsd!

I don't know who makes the Steeda wires, but yes, Ford Racing wires are made by Honeywell/Autolite. They have Honeywell part #'s right on the wire.

I use Magnecor wires.
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: shorangerbird on November 16, 2007, 10:36:30 AM
-Ford purchased Autolite Electronics in the 60's as they were the supplier of most replacement parts used by Ford .  then in the early 70s Ford sold the Autolite brand to Bendix corp. Ford started their own company brand, Motorcraft, to supply their replacement parts.  Bendix has since been purchased by Honeywell.  Ford designs and engineers replacement parts that Motorcraft then supplies.  could some of them be thru Honeywell? Yes, as Motorcraft then uses contract suppliers to make their parts, BUT it has to be to the design AND specifications made by Ford Motor Co.  unfortunately one spark plug suppliers is the China Spark Plug Manufactory in Zhejiang, China but there are others also......BUT all suppliers have to build whatever product they supply to the Ford specs., otherwise they lose the contract.  Fed Mogul at the moment, does have a contract for Motorcraft Brake pads, so you never know where or who makes the products......
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: oldraven on November 16, 2007, 10:45:58 AM
I know Canadian Tire hires primates for their parts counter.

"I need an IAC for an '87 Thunderbird TurboCoupe."

"OO-OO-AAH-AAAA-[SIZE="6"]AAAAA!!![/SIZE]" *throws a box of brake shoes on the counter*
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: bhazard on November 16, 2007, 11:31:30 AM
So who makes Napa/Belden/Echlin?

My Autozone Duralast balljoints were Moog, though the guy selling them to me said TRW.
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: ipsd on November 16, 2007, 04:23:53 PM
Napa/Belden/Echlin = Standard/BWD/Nehoff
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: Thunder Chicken on November 16, 2007, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: Chuck W;187961
Owning the company does not mean the parts are identical...

I could give a rat's ass about "financial statements"....show me engineering specs...

Exactly - Ford owns Mazda and Volvo, but Mazda, Volvo and Ford cars are very different (even if they do share some component sets).

Quote from: oldraven;188050
I know Canadian Tire hires primates for their parts counter.

"I need an IAC for an '87 Thunderbird TurboCoupe."

"OO-OO-AAH-AAAA-AAAAA!!!" *throws a box of brake shoes on the counter*

:rollin::rollin::rollin::rollin::rollin:
Don't even get me started about Canadian Tire parts guys. I'll never forget the five trips it took to finally get the proper U-joint for my brother's old Chevy Astro van when he broke down on the highway.  I finally ended up getting it at UAP, and after buying it I brought it back to Canadian Tire to show them what the proper part looked like. Of course that's only one of many, many CTC parts quests gone horribly wrong, as any Canadian car guy can verify...
Title: What you didn't know about Auto Parts brands...
Post by: P71 on November 17, 2007, 01:27:16 AM
Again, the only parts I'm passing on the claim as being identical are the Fel-Pro/Federal-Mogul gaskets (WIDELY claimed by Federal-Mogul, down to the same part #s) and the Autolite/Motorcraft plugs (from Honeywell, the manufacturer of BOTH plug brands).

All the others are different, just pointing out ownership for those that didn't know.