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F*ck them

F*ck them

I would rather look at a Jegs or Summit Racing catalog for something to read.:hick:

I would rather look at a Jegs or Summit Racing catalog for something to read.:hick:

I sure miss Super Ford. Now THAT was a magazine that was fair to all Fords... *sniff*

I sure miss Super Ford. *sniff*

hmm post the editors emails .... hate mail here we come!

I do like what what PHR is doing, but too much chebby shiznit to keep me interested.

Actually I have the mag with me. If I'm still here at work after normal business hours I'll scan it and post it up.

It would probably have fewer advertisp00gets...

I read a lot of magazines every month (MM&FF, Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Automobile, Road & Track, Popular Mechanics, Hot Rod, Maximum PC, Reader's Digest) but I have never seen a magazine with so many advertisp00gets as MM&FF. There's like 20 pages of ads before you even get to the table of contents! It's gotten so that there's like 3 or 4 feature cars, one or two tech articles, the usual features (Racer Notebook, Yo Ken, Mustang Mail, etc), maybe a blurb about some all-Ford gathering, all mixed in with 180 pages of ads...

" Well, for the time being"
 
That means maybe later, but probably no

" Well, for the time being"
 
That means maybe later, but probably no

let me get this straight... the over boosted and popped a head gasket and couldn't get in fixed before their deadline???  it takes all of 2 hours (if that) to change a head gasket.  these guys are morons, hands down.  their too caught up in their mod motors and refuse to waver.  oh well, it's not like i've put a lot of stock into what they've said in the past.

let me get this straight... the over boosted and popped a head gasket and couldn't get in fixed before their deadline???  it takes all of 2 hours (if that) to change a head gasket.  these guys are morons, hands down.  their too caught up in their mod motors and refuse to waver.  oh well, it's not like i've put a lot of stock into what they've said in the past.

the guys at mustang magic are far from morons. i have known Joe for 17 years to make a statement like that is like me saying that the shops in your town are morons too. but i don't know how the shop are like in your town..

i do know that the guys there can get a little pen 15y.not Joe the owner the guys in the shop. and yes they love their pushrod motors and 4.6's i had to pull teeth to get those guys to work on cougars and t/birds. and LSC's my dad goes there with his 331 T trim LSC"my friend John's BLWN5SPD's old car" my friend mike goes there and john goes there too.they both have blown cobras..

those guys have built some of the fastest cars around you just never herd of them.joey"mondo joe" when i left NY he was building a mustang that should run in the high 7's a stroker with a turbo that starts 747 jet engines yes the one that is the size of a toilet..1800HP. his old car run like 8.90's... a kid that used to work there untill he went to work for a ford dealer we called Junior.. had a car running simmiler times..
we all had nick names..

a testament of there work my car still runs and shifts allmost 5 years later.. umm a blown 306 infront of a chezzeyT5.. countless trips to new england,carlisle PA, youngstown ohio, and a tip to florida and two trips from boynton beach floida 33436 to youngstown ohio 44514.. and still running strong with like 70,000 miles on it..

you want to talk morons.. since i left NY race shops here in florida won't touch a T5 rebuild for less then $1500.00 go figure when a new T5 is like $1300.00 new and i has another race shop try to convince me that an 8.8 rear was'nt rebuildable and would need a whole new rearend..now thats a moron!!!

check out joe's prices and see what real morons i had to deal with here in the great state of florida..

http://www.mustangmagic.com/specialsdaily.htm

check out the price of a rebuilt T5 and look close to what [SIZE="7"]*[/SIZE] that means..

for a T5 rebuild here in florida it's $1500.00 just for the tranny plus install..

i think i said enough..


Nick

Well, if every one is not buying 2.3 turbos, that leaves more for us!:D

Most of you know i'm a 2.3 guy :D That said, you have to look where that market is today. Its a very small niche with very fragmented segments mixed in. There are actually a bunch of vendors in it for as small as the market really is.

Now MM&FF puts together one of there series. If you've ever looked at those closely enough, they are as much advertising or a small infomercial as anything else. The hope there is that the vendors step up and become adverstisers, the niche market gets excited about the articles, and the vendors get sales out of it. This has been going on for some time, but have any of those featured vendors stepped up and supported the magazine? Hell can any of them afford to?

When they run a series like that, it uses magazine space and resources. There has to be a return be it in advertisers, subscribers, or something. Otherwise, that space is better served with an article on installing clear tail lights in a GT Mustang. At least that will result in slaes for the advertiser in most cases.

Beleive me, I feel the frustration of not getting good ink, but look at the 2.3 customer base versu the 5.0, 4.6, and now three valves groups. We arent exactly known as big spenders :D Also remeber, there ARE guys at MM&FF that are 2.3T fans. Look at the history when those guys went out and ran shhotouts, the 1st t-bird one was a bust, none of the cars ran the numbers, and they ended up with nothing they could really run. I was picked for the second one, and was AMAZED with the BS that went on via e-mail when they had to change dates, and guys that werent picked got a hold of the groups e-mails. Even I had t oback out because my t-bird was dead when they got around to running the shoot out. They invited a 2.3 car to the stick shift shoot out, it didnt make it down the track. I know its also been said, that the editors actuallt see sales dip when there is a 2.3 on the cover.

I know this is a pile of mixed thoughts, but I sure dont blame them at this point. They have tried over the years, but what has the 2.3 community done for them?

Send all hate mail to idontcare@dont bother.com :D

Bob Myers

Hi Bob

He who speaks the truth... Gets ignored...

You 2.3 guys are in the same boat as the old flatheads, ''Y" blocks, MELs (I bet most of you don't even know what those are) and to a lesser degree, the FEs(rich mans engine)... You can piss and moan all you want about being ignored, no parts etc, it ain't gonna get any better... Best just to suck it in and grab up all the loose cars and parts you can find, cause in another 5/10 years they won't be out there... I already have mine...

Tom

C'mon Tom give me a little more credit ;) flatheads, BTDT, 312's and such, done them. I actually havent worked on a Mercury/Edsel/Lincoln engine first hand, but have been around the Y block stuff for a long time. I actually grew up with FE's, and myself moved into 351 Clevelands before I found the 2.3T (notice a trend here ;) )

I'm sure not complaining about the situation, I know it, have my parts stock piled, and will go on. When I do win with this thing, its got everyone scratching their heads how a 4 cylinder, turbo charged, 5 speed car just beat them.

You probably know this better than a lot here, but Ford performance was NEVER about bolt on's like the small block Chevy. We always had to merge parts, home port, build, tweek, adjust, whatever it took. The 5.0 Mustang changed that as the bolt on king. The magazines are into that scene because there are advertisers to support it. You simply are NOT going to buy parts, bolt them on a 2.3 and go and run the numbers. Every time my stuff hick-up I look at what I could be doing with a simple NA 347, probably going more rounds, surely more reliable, the difference, the cost to start over.

Bob Myers

You know, I was was wondering who posed for this little guy:punchballs:  It's you!! LOL

I guess what pulls one into the 2.3T waters, it is just so ed easy to make a few little mods and start making respectable HP