I got to thinking earlier today... If I couldn't get a 5.0 Stang HO long block when I eventualy build up my new motor, could i just use an explorer long block? It would already have a roller cam, the GT40 / GT40-P heads, an ok bottom end, and it would be atleast 3 years newer then the last "fox" 5.0 HO. On top of that, I hear it has 215 HP @ 4,200 rpm; 288 ft lb @ 3,300 rpm using the stock EFI. A decient intake/carb on that with the headers and maybe a newer cam would wake it way up for a street car I think.
Would there be any reason not to? I could just use my current oil pan,headers/exhaust,induction, ignition, and trans to swap it over tomorow if I had to.
I'm more curious then anything, and I was just wondering if anyone has considered or even done this swap?
Yes...
I believe you will need "p" style headers. Also double check the water pump rotation and front engine accessories.
Would there be any benifit over a Stang' HO longblock?
If I actually do this, I will put my own bracket/pully set on the car, as that will not be a problem. I was also told that there is enough room to run my Mac's with the "p" heads. If not I'll just go a GT40 motor from a 95-96 insted of a "p" motor from a 78-98
IIRC, the 302's started using hypereutetic pistons in '93. Not sure on the cobra's. They'll probably be alright as long as you don't go lean with boost or the juice. Ok for normally aspirated. I believe the cam specs are a little different as well.
Did you check with Mac or someone who's running that setup on the board?
To my knowlage of what I've seen on these boards, I thin kI have the only set of Mac Equal legnth shorties. However a freind of mine has the same headers with P heads on his 90 mustang.
No boost, no juice... all motor car. Wil be street drivin, maybe a road course for fun and alittle weekend drag racing if I feel like it. Just looking for al all around good 302 base.
Fila,
To paraphrase an old shoe slogan, "Just Do It" :hick:
I'm planning it. I don't want this to turn into another " just do it" thread, I really wana know if this is what to do. I'm not even doing it yet, I'm gathering all the info.
Is there anything else I need to know or inormation I need before I start looking and pricing these motors?
How much is the engine?If it's a good price,no reason not to.
I haven't even started looking. I wana make sure it's teh right decision first. I have too many bad decisions under my belt by guessing, I wana know this is right. I only want the long block. Complete motor means I'll sell the intakes and assorted other EFI related items
lol, I had to do that but I'm sure with owning a Fila, the Nike 'jingles' have been done to death. Especially since you have many posts.
No dis meant by it, probably just a little overused humor. :hick:
Mike
I know what ya ment man. I'm just really thinking about this. It's better then what i got now, even if I just throw my induction and exhaust onto it. Reguardless.... ya know.
Only thing is do i wana spend maybe a grand on this or drop say 5 grand on a crate motor? I don't wana dig too deep into the motor, no matter what I get. And to me at the moment... this looks like the eaisest and most convienent way to go
"It's better than what I got now"
Why is the bottom end of your motor hosed uP?
No, just a stock bottom end. Non HO motor, god knows what it's out of. The rest of the motor ( intake and CFI atleast) was from an 83 CFI 5.0 The rest isn't, and it's been apart before me. I want something fresh I can work with
you will also have to change the timing cover and the oil filter has a 90 degree adapter that needs to be changed also
Should I just reuse whats on the car now? I havn't decided on mechanical or electric fuel pump, so whats on the car is fine. It's an older one with the cut out so I can use mech if i want, and a cover plate if I don't.
Ok, I may be way out on this, but IIRC some of the older 302 blocks are stronger than the newer roller types. You may have a stronger block to begin with. If you are staying carb, why change the motor and pull the efi? Is it more cost or labor effective?
Your spot on.
I do have an older block for sure. Mid 70's. However the "guts" i have no clue. I don't know if its been bored out, stroked... what ever. A newer motor is just that, newer. Less miles, less wear ( how many people really abuse 5.0 explorers) and I can't see them being to expencive. If I buy the whole motor, i will part out the EFI stuff to make some of the money back off of it
do you have $5k for a crate motor? No.
have you ever swapped a motor? No.
do you have the tools to pull a motor? No.
do you have any reason at all to put more money into this car without a title? No.
are you a post w? Yes.
will someone please take away the "New Thread" button from him? :brick:
Do you have to be a complete asshole to everyone that askes a question. Read back, it say "PLANNING" and " Thinkin about"
Meaning I'm not doing this tomorow. It's down the road plans
Yes, I have put a motor in before. I put this motor in the car with the help of some freinds.
Jesus man, you piss and moan when I do stuff on my own and you complain when I ask questions.
was i wrong in my comment?
I think so. I hold the orignial title, i just need to change it over. I haven't done that as I have no reason. Not like I drive the car. I asked a serious question, on something I didn't know the answer to. People helped me, then you jump in with anotehr put down. Am I wrong for my comment?
a serious question? bullshiznit!
you've been on this site long enough to know, there's virtually no difference between the two motors. you had an explorer head thread like 2 months ago.
ill call bullshiznit again on the title, as last week you said what paper work you had was nowhere near a title.
That was for the TC parts car, not the Fila. I have all the Probate court papers that I need to transfer the title over. I just need to do so
I know they are the same motor, to an extent. I want to know how diferent they really are.
I belive the thread you are talking about was shoud I go EFI in the car.
I just wana learn a bit about the car and the motor that could go into it. I'm sorry if this makes you un-happy. Just don't read the thread