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Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 06, 2007, 08:48:50 PM
Stage One = Engine Tear Down---

This is an 88 Mark VII engine, 170k miles.  I got it for a little over $50 bucks on Pick-N-Pulls %50 off weekend.

I've bounced back and forth between just dropping this engine in the car or rebuilding it.  After realizing what I plan to do with this car I chose the latter. 

So far I have one head off the engine and I'm very pleased at what I've found.  Very nice bores with crosshatch still intact. :)  The engine has nearly no sludge, I was only able to find one small crusty spot. Now the water jackets, :yuck: very crusty.  Looks like I'll be cleaning this block up myself and putting new bearings and rings in it.  No machine shop visit for this engine.  I will be tearing the heads apart and porting the hell out of them as I'm not ready to purchase new ones.

Here we have the engine as it sits.  I may take the other head off tonight and I may not.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/101_0953Large.jpg)

Here we have some nice bores.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/101_0954Large.jpg)

Only bit of sludge in the engine.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/101_0955Large.jpg)

Stuff

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/101_0956Large.jpg)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: cougarcragar on August 06, 2007, 08:50:30 PM
What will be your technique for porting the heads?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 06, 2007, 08:52:04 PM
Probably follow one of the many online guides out there.  Plus I'll call Nick every 20 minutes :)  I have an air die grinder, I'll just buy a home porting kit for it.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: cougarcragar on August 06, 2007, 08:59:00 PM
Cool. I forgot if you told me this, but are you putting a T5 behind it?
I'll be excited to see pictures of the progress.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: HAVI on August 06, 2007, 09:08:51 PM
is that your basp00get?  (noticed the blue chair)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 06, 2007, 09:30:36 PM
Nah thats my garage, thats my garage couch :)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: slicksport88 on August 06, 2007, 11:03:53 PM
Ahh yes....this is bringing back memories for me already. :D

Good luck with the build.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 06, 2007, 11:37:42 PM
I'm getting excited now!  I'm not sure what transmission will be backing this yet.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: cougrrr302 on August 07, 2007, 05:07:37 PM
Out of curiosity, just an engine swap because you have the engine? Or did the 2.3 go to hell? Nice find on parts. Are you putting a different cam in, or are you just porting the heads, and rebuilding and going HO?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: vinnietbird on August 07, 2007, 05:55:15 PM
$50.00.Awesome.My block also has the "xxx" designation.What does that mean?My friend took the original engine that was in my Sport and it had a "yyy" stamp in it.Those heads need a lot of porting on the exhaust side for sure.Tiny little ports aren't they.Good luck with the project.Keep us posted.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 07, 2007, 06:29:38 PM
If i sell the 83 then this shortblock will see the machine shop.  I'll probably pick up a set of GT40/p's to wake it up a bit.  The camshaft will be changed to something that suits my needs and plans.  When I purchased this car it was purly for parts only, yet arriving to pick it up I was presented with a car in better shape than both my Cougars.  It had no motor and the only 2.3 I have has a toast #1 cylinder.  Plus I don't want a 2.3, they are cool and all.  Blah blah not a turbo coupe anymore.... lol  Its a TC, and 5.0 or not it will still be a TC.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: cougrrr302 on August 08, 2007, 12:38:55 PM
I just wondered about the background. Finding cars in better than suspected condition is a blessing. Sounds like it should be a nice running car in no time then.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 15, 2007, 11:03:56 PM
This should help, looks much nicer  :D
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: 84 Fila on August 15, 2007, 11:05:38 PM
So thats what a clean 5.0 block *should* look like.
What all do you have planned for the 5.0 combo parts wise?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 15, 2007, 11:08:28 PM
Stock.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: 84 Fila on August 15, 2007, 11:09:53 PM
Good luck on it!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: ipsd on August 15, 2007, 11:16:12 PM
I'm not one to condone this with a TC but STOCK 5.0-302 WTF? If you are gonna go that route go all forged bottom in and maybe even drop the compression just a little run 8-1 or 8.5-1 then you will be set. As in set to make that thing live up to its name and twin turbo that puppy. Then atleast you are keeping with the one turbo per four cylinders. Either that or MONSTER shot of NOS! You have to make it be able to rape and pillage the unsuspecting Stang, Camaro, Vette, Porche, many many many things that think they have it made. Then you will make them respect you and your car! LOL
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 16, 2007, 12:15:00 AM
Quote from: CougarSE;169494
This should help, looks much nicer  :D


Purdy :D
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 12:28:45 PM
I'm taking the block back to the machine shop to have cam bearings and freeze plugs installed in about an hour... should be ready for me to pick up mid next week..

Oh and the engine will be in the car stock, to get the bugs worked out ;)  From there who knows.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: daboss351 on August 16, 2007, 12:51:01 PM
your just gonna have a nice bottom end to start with. Good thinking!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 16, 2007, 12:54:30 PM
the only time i will condone doing a v8 swap on a turbocoupe is if the v8 in question is turbocharged.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: daboss351 on August 16, 2007, 12:55:50 PM
with him, it might just end up being turboed in the future!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 16, 2007, 01:54:13 PM
good deal!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 01:59:00 PM
Block is at the machine shop..

The machine shop guy wants me to align hone the mains after I told him what I wanted to do with it. Also wants me to get all ARP fasteners..  I told him this is going to be the running mock up engine.

Looks like the engine will be having GT40P heads and an explorer intake.. granted I find a lower.  Have to find a decent cam for the combo and buy an A9L...And a tweecer.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 16, 2007, 02:16:37 PM
you're still missing a turbo.:beatyoass: :D
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 03:25:45 PM
Am I?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 16, 2007, 03:28:46 PM
OOOOOOoooooohh!  what do you have?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 03:36:55 PM
That information is yet to be disclosed.... but its already on another older thread on this board ;)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 16, 2007, 03:38:49 PM
you can tell me, i won't tell.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 03:55:00 PM
Going to pick this up soon.. :)  I just bought it.  Then I will pick up the intake from Fila and have a set.  Who knows I may not need to go with a spacer to clear my fuel rail on this intake.. but then again I might.



(http://i16.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/af/9a/ca1c_1.JPG)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: daboss351 on August 16, 2007, 04:20:25 PM
must be nice to have some cash and a good car as a base
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: vinnietbird on August 16, 2007, 05:47:08 PM
The stock 5.0 fuel rail bolts right up like it belongs there (On the GT-40).I have an Explorer intake on mine.I had the hole for the ACT sensor drilled and tapped,as well as the water line at the rear of the passenger side of the lower.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: gumby on August 16, 2007, 06:08:07 PM
claude is using a truck rail. required a spacer on a regular HO upper to clear the regulator
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 06:35:32 PM
Thats right...


I will be picking up a set of GT40P's tomorrow :)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: 32VFoxBird on August 16, 2007, 10:03:11 PM
are the truck fuel rails like the sn95 rails?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 10:09:26 PM
No. I made a thread on it..  They are unique and only usable or desired when converting a TC to 5.0 and keeping the TC hard lines.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: 32VFoxBird on August 16, 2007, 10:13:44 PM
ah, okay i remember reading that.



carry on!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 10:14:58 PM
Ok time to spill the beans.

These will be strapped to the side of this motor.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/000_0277Large.jpg)

Attached to these...

(http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/a9/82/c573_1.JPG)

Rebuilt stock short block with ARP Main bolts, ARP rod bolts and ARP head bolts..  GT40P heads and an Explorer intake.. All will be ported before being installed..  Twin IHI's at 10psi,  I'll be using 30lb injectors or 35's if I can find a 8.  They will do for 10psi..  I figure the IHI's will be capable of 15psi before they are done.. but 10 is the number for now..

A tweecer and an A9L will be controlling this.  Probably a 75mm maf as well..
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: 84 Fila on August 16, 2007, 10:43:54 PM
fornicatein' A man!!!
 
I think you should modify the TC badge to say TT Turbo Coupe
 
 
 
 
Just a thought
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 16, 2007, 10:46:31 PM
that's more like it.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 10:50:00 PM
Yeah, there is no way in hell I'm going to run a stock engine..
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: daboss351 on August 16, 2007, 11:27:48 PM
NICE i knew it!
will the IHI's breath free enough?? well running two i would guess they would
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 11:32:42 PM
The IHI's are just to get the car running under boost.. Later they will be replaced.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: 84 Fila on August 16, 2007, 11:52:31 PM
What are you shooting for power wise?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 16, 2007, 11:56:27 PM
Car should be at 300hp N/A.. over 400hp boosted.  And thats conservative..
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: Clayton on August 17, 2007, 12:05:50 AM
good to see that 600$ is going to good use :D
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 17, 2007, 11:19:23 AM
Just found a set of GT40P's for $100 less.. I'm going to pick those up tonight :)  Along with the intake manifold :)  Mike I'm going to be sending you the M/O tomorrow..
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: 84 Fila on August 17, 2007, 11:54:45 AM
 Skippy man!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 17, 2007, 12:25:02 PM
for what it's worth, i've seen BONE stock 302's with a home made single t3 turbo setup make 390 horse and 440 torque at the wheels.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 17, 2007, 12:27:22 PM
So I'm really underestimating myself then...
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 17, 2007, 12:39:10 PM
with a set of good sized turbos, forged internals, and a good fuel system, your block will be your limiting factor.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 17, 2007, 01:02:52 PM
Looks like I will be going with an F303 Cam unless anyone knows of a better camshaft.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: JeremyB on August 17, 2007, 01:12:15 PM
Quote from: turboranger91;169877
for what it's worth, i've seen BONE stock 302's with a home made single t3 turbo setup make 390 horse and 440 torque at the wheels.

How much boost and what series T3 was he running?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 17, 2007, 01:16:59 PM
Quote from: JeremyB;169889
How much boost and what series T3 was he running?
it was a t3 from a turbocoupe... one of my old ones.  i "think" he was running about 8-10 psi, but honestly i don't remember... this was years ago.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 17, 2007, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: CougarSE;169887
Looks like I will be going with an F303 Cam unless anyone knows of a better camshaft.


i don't see any problem running an alphabet cam.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: SR71TC on August 17, 2007, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: CougarSE;169887
Looks like I will be going with an F303 Cam unless anyone knows of a better camshaft.


Comp Cams XE266HR....nice blower and turbo cam. I would leave the antiquated alphabet cams alone.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 17, 2007, 02:54:57 PM
Holly  thats a big camshaft.  Wouldn't that cam make in town driveability horrid?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 17, 2007, 02:59:15 PM
it's not too bad.

Cam Style:    Hydraulic roller tappet
Basic Operating RPM Range:    1,600-5,600
Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift:    216
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift:    224
Duration at 050 inch Lift:    216 int./224 exh.
Advertised Intake Duration:    266
Advertised Exhaust Duration:    274
Advertised Duration:    266 int./274 exh.
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio:    0.544 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio:    0.555 in.
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio:    0.544 int./0.555 exh. lift
Lobe Separation (degrees):    112
Intake Valve Lash:    0.000 in.
Exhaust Valve Lash:    0.000 in.
Computer Controlled Compatible:    Yes
Grind Number:    FW XE266HR-12
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: SR71TC on August 17, 2007, 04:08:47 PM
that's the one. The thing I love about it is when i'm in third gear and the tach and speedo are as one, climbing. past 3000 rpm and that car is gone.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: vinnietbird on August 17, 2007, 04:58:32 PM
All of this "twin turbo","horsepower and torque","how fast will it go","power",talk.It's rediculous.We should all be worried about conserving fuel,global warming,and saving trees.LOL !!!!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: daboss351 on August 17, 2007, 05:28:54 PM
vinnie, your NUTS, the worlds gonna run out, might as well use all we can and hope we die before then!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 17, 2007, 05:28:59 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;169923
All of this "twin turbo","horsepower and torque","how fast will it go","power",talk.It's rediculous.We should all be worried about conserving fuel,global warming,and saving trees.LOL !!!!


(http://theblacklist.freeforums.org/files/theblacklist/smilies/drum.gif)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: Tbird232ci on August 17, 2007, 07:25:04 PM
Quote from: turboranger91;169877
for what it's worth, i've seen BONE stock 302's with a home made single t3 turbo setup make 390 horse and 440 torque at the wheels.

No you havnt. There is no way in hell a 5.0 can breath through a T3. I maxed out a T3/T04B V-trim on a 2.3L...how do you think a 5.0 would do with a single T3?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 17, 2007, 07:31:02 PM
i'm just telling you what i've seen.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: ZondaC12 on August 17, 2007, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;169923
All of this "twin turbo","horsepower and torque","how fast will it go","power",talk.It's rediculous.We should all be worried about conserving fuel,global warming,and saving trees.LOL !!!!

 
Yes youre absolutely right. I for one think this thread should be locked NOW!!! You evil gas-guzzling pigs!!!!.....oh wait.......*looks at his own 18 mpg cat and 12 mpg buick.....oops
 
 
ON TOPIC ahem!!!!......Claude, JEEZ! So much for "stock"!!!! Im reading this, and suddenly random mods are being listed "yeah im gonna get a gt40 intake, you know, some headers, hell ill get some nice heads and uh two turbos please. yup still gonna be stock though" lol :giggle:
 
What a bomb youve dropped on us here! Good luck, cant wait to hear the results of this monster build!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 18, 2007, 12:53:09 AM
Alright kids.. no thread shiznitting..  I don't care what turbo did what.. I only care about the two I have ;)

Picked up my heads and lower intake today..

This intake is so very clean..

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/GT40/000_0278Large.jpg)

GT40P heads.  Off a very low mile 99 5.0

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/GT40/000_0280Large.jpg)

GT40P on the left.. E7 on the right.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/GT40/000_0284Large.jpg)

GT40P on the right.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/GT40/000_0283Large.jpg)

Yay GT40P :)  Look how clean this engine was.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/GT40/000_0282Large.jpg)

4 lines on end of head.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/GT40/000_0281Large.jpg)

GT40P on the right..

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/GT40/000_0285Large.jpg)

Oh and Sunday I'm going back to purchase the shortblock these heads cam off of *sigh*  I can't stop spending.  The engine was soooo clean..
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 18, 2007, 01:08:53 AM
You'll like the GT40Ps. They are very torquey and the pull good up high. Just have fun changing the plugs with the turbo headers;)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 18, 2007, 01:26:01 AM
Actually it will be very easy.. The tubes go up instead of down so the plugs are exposed..

Are you running SD on your GT40P headed engine?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 18, 2007, 01:29:40 AM
Quote from: CougarSE;170022
Actually it will be very easy.. The tubes go up instead of down so the plugs are exposed..

Are you running SD on your GT40P headed engine?



Ah then it will be ok:D

Yep I'm running SD and an aftermarket cam (Comp Magnum 266HR grind 35-308-8) Runs great. I just had to adjust the idle a bit and it runs fine.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 19, 2007, 09:34:45 PM
Picked this up today.


*edit* The pictures make the dash look blue.. its not.

Perfect Raven TC dash fully loaded

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/000_0292Large.jpg)

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/000_0291Large.jpg)

Picked up an Explorer upper.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/000_0293Large.jpg)

Here is the explorer shortblock that I will be running in N/A while I get the turbo setup complete.  I'm already thinking about selling off these two turbo's and getting a pair of T3's.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/000_0294Large.jpg)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: SLEEPER T-BIRD 87 on August 19, 2007, 09:50:38 PM
looking good claude!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 19, 2007, 10:45:46 PM
Did some mock up with my truck fuel rail.. This couldn't have worked out better.. The Explorer upper clears the rail where the stocker didn't



 (http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/000_0295Large.jpg)

Had to tweak one of the tubes so it would miss the FPR.  I'm thinking about getting a earlier model truck rail so I can use three bolt FPR's, I'm limited to my selection of boost referencing FPR's now.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/TC%20Engine/000_0296Large.jpg)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: daboss351 on August 19, 2007, 10:57:59 PM
 you work fast
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 19, 2007, 11:00:14 PM
Well at the moment the 88 cougar is out of commission,  Its less work to put this engine in and do the conversion to get the 88 running..  And this TC is in far better shape..
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 19, 2007, 11:01:21 PM
Oh and I don't have a car right now so I've got to get this thing together soon!  I'll be bringing my T-5 and the car itself to my apartment this week and the engine will be going in SOON.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: Tbird232ci on August 20, 2007, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: CougarSE;170463


Had to tweak one of the tubes so it would miss the FPR.  I'm thinking about getting a earlier model truck rail so I can use three bolt FPR's, I'm limited to my selection of boost referencing FPR's now.

4.6L mustang.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 20, 2007, 05:55:48 PM
coming along quite nicely. 

and i see what you did to your location there.... nice.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 20, 2007, 06:42:13 PM
;) OHIO! 
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i197/darleneboyle/osuversusmichigan-2.jpg)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 20, 2007, 11:34:19 PM
Sending payment for a A9L tomorrow.

Stuff to get:
Headers for the GT40P's to get it running N/A
Maf for 24's
24# injectors
H Pipe and cat back.
Probably a set of ChuckW motor mounts..
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 20, 2007, 11:36:35 PM
Buy my stuff people!!  I need money!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: cougarcragar on August 21, 2007, 06:46:36 PM
Is Jim helping you with this project?
What's he been doing lately, anyway?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 21, 2007, 06:48:02 PM
At the moment I'm just gathering parts.. when it comes time to drop the motor I he will be helping me :)  Oh he has come along way on his car.  You would think he would post up some pictures of his car ;)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: cougarcragar on August 21, 2007, 06:53:43 PM
If I move back to the OH/WV area in a few weeks (for a job), I'm bringing the XR7 out there so we can paint it.

That is all. I won't  in your thread anymore.
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Post by: 88XR7 on August 21, 2007, 10:31:01 PM
Do you still need a MAF for 24's?
I know of a Pro-M Calibrated for 24's locally, guy wants $125...
Just throwing it out there.
PM if you are interested.
    -Joe
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 21, 2007, 10:33:26 PM
Well I think i've found one and a set of 24's but I'll keep you in mind.
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Post by: Clayton on August 21, 2007, 11:05:26 PM
Oh yeah! I got the coug plated with indiana plates now... you should have a big manilla folder with a couple plates in it.

That is all.

Post more pics of this TC... :D
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 21, 2007, 11:23:11 PM
LOL awsome..  the car is still not here yet.. down at the grandparents farm.  It will be here this weekend though :)

Oh I'm buying a Pro-M 77mm Maf and a set of 24# injectors. :)  Should be here next week :)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 22, 2007, 12:15:21 AM
Just wondering but what cam are you going to run?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 24, 2007, 08:55:35 AM
Looks like I'm going to run a Trick Flow Stage 1.

Buying a Tweecer :)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 24, 2007, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: CougarSE;171688
Looks like I'm going to run a Trick Flow Stage 1.

Buying a Tweecer :)


Should go good with the *P* heads. Just make sure to use stiffer valve springs. The stock ones probably won't hold up to the lift of the cam.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 26, 2007, 06:22:29 PM
Got the block painted and one head painted..  Still need to take that  explorer timing cover off and replace it with the fox unit.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/000_0299Large.jpg)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: JeremyB on August 26, 2007, 06:53:37 PM
But wat about teh EDIS?!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 27, 2007, 12:51:36 AM
What no Ford blue:hick:
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 27, 2007, 08:43:52 AM
Got the timing cover off and the fox one painted and ready to go on.  Just say no to ford blue.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: Chuck W on August 27, 2007, 08:49:23 AM
GO! GO! Ford Grey!!!

:hick:
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 27, 2007, 09:07:57 AM
you painted the valve springs?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: *MAYHEM* on August 27, 2007, 09:48:51 AM
Quote from: turboranger91;172286
you painted the valve springs?

He just didn't mask anything. That's ok. The oil filter will catch all that. I think. ;)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 27, 2007, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: *MAYHEM*;172297
He just didn't mask anything. That's ok. The oil filter will catch all that. I think. ;)

:hick:
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: daboss351 on August 27, 2007, 10:04:04 AM
Im pretty sure hes replacing all of that anyway
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 27, 2007, 10:05:50 AM
Quote from: daboss351;172302
Im pretty sure hes replacing all of that anyway
good.  i wouldn't want to take the chance of that clogging the system.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: daboss351 on August 27, 2007, 10:07:24 AM
Hes smarter then that!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: 84 Fila on August 27, 2007, 10:08:44 AM
 dude, that looks awsome so far! Wana build the motor for my car in about april?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 27, 2007, 11:39:56 AM
Actually those are the heads I'll be using.  I've sed all that paint off.. wont make that mistake on the other head.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: turboranger91 on August 27, 2007, 11:43:29 AM
Quote from: daboss351;172308
Hes smarter then that!
good to hear.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: daboss351 on August 27, 2007, 11:43:44 AM
i thought you were replacing the valve springs and rockers.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 27, 2007, 11:50:51 AM
Depending on what camshaft I go with.  Right now I'm looking at a Trick Flow Stage 1, if I go with it I wont have to go with new springs.  Now I've been looking at a Stage 2 as well, If I go with it I'll have to get new springs..  Rockers are just not in the budget at the moment.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: V8Demon on August 27, 2007, 11:55:51 AM
Quote
Right now I'm looking at a Trick Flow Stage 1, if I go with it I wont have to go with new springs.


If you spin the motor to 6000 RPM or above with a TFS 1 (which you SHOULD) I'd get new springs......
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 27, 2007, 12:12:45 PM
Whats your opinion on Trick Flow valve springs?  They are a little over $130 bucks.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 27, 2007, 12:16:06 PM
Came home to find this on my door step :D

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/000_0301Large.jpg)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 27, 2007, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: CougarSE;172276
  Just say no to ford blue.
:raspberry

Quote from: V8Demon;172351
If you spin the motor to 6000 RPM or above with a TFS 1 (which you SHOULD) I'd get new springs......
Yeah I have a .533 lift Comp 266HR cam and I had the machiene shop put in high lift Comp valve springs. I spin the thing to 5,500 some times and with the stock GT40P springs I'd get some valve float :hick:
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 27, 2007, 10:52:30 PM
Just bought a Keith Craft Turbo Cam..  224/224@50  555/555 114

Now I need to get a set of Valve springs and I'll have a nice little combo.. :)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 28, 2007, 05:29:39 PM
Came home today to find this sitting by the door.  Man I'm loving this!  :hick:

Thanks Tommy!

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/000_0315Large.jpg)

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/000_0317Large.jpg)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: V8Demon on August 29, 2007, 07:49:18 AM
Quote from: V8Demon;172351
If you spin the motor to 6000 RPM or above with a TFS 1 (which you SHOULD) I'd get new springs......


They are a good piece, but there are (according to a few engine builders) even better ones out there.  I have the Trick Flow springs that came with the Twisted Wedge heads I have and they seem to be doing just fine.  Here's some good reading:

http://sbftech.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=3115750724f68c38814e793ad807dd6b&topic=7615.msg68399#msg68399

http://sbftech.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=3115750724f68c38814e793ad807dd6b&topic=1466.0

http://sbftech.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=3115750724f68c38814e793ad807dd6b&topic=150.0
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: gumby on August 29, 2007, 12:29:40 PM
nice shifter!

that is a billet plus though(same as mine), not a competition plus. ;)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 29, 2007, 01:27:05 PM
Well you remember how much in awe I was about your shifter feel.. This is gona be perfect :)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: Sduneman3 on August 29, 2007, 04:56:20 PM
Claude, your cars just keep getting better and better :)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 29, 2007, 10:17:19 PM
Well Jim came over today and we got the heads bolted down.. Used that fancy coper spray on them.. Very sticky stuff.  The intake is just sitting there because it looks pretty :)  Going to go find a pipe tap for the ACT sensor tomorrow.

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/CougarSE/000_0318Large.jpg)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 29, 2007, 10:58:05 PM
Cool:D

Mine looked like that once.......in primer.......before the FORD BLUE:hick:

BTW you do know that the GT40 and GT40P heads use the same spark plugs. :D
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 29, 2007, 11:34:53 PM
Sure do.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 30, 2007, 12:47:40 PM
Came home to find my Keith Craft turbo cam sitting on the door step :)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 30, 2007, 01:20:40 PM
well turns out my camshaft is a Comp Cams 276HR.  I'm not upset as this is a good turbo camshaft :)  $300 new too :)  I didn't pay near that :)


Cam Style: Hydraulic roller tappet  Basic
Operating RPM Range: 2,000-6,000 
Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 220 
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift: 224 
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 220 int./224 exh. 
Advertised Intake Duration: 276 
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 280 
Advertised Duration: 276 int./280 exh. 
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.544 in. 
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.560 in. 
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.544 int./0.560 exh.
lift  Lobe Separation (degrees): 114 
Intake Valve Lash: 0.000 in. 
Exhaust Valve Lash: 0.000 in. 
Grind Number: FW 276H-R14
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 30, 2007, 03:43:47 PM
Sounds like a nice cam. Comp makes a very good product. It might be a little weak down low (under 2,500 rpms) but it'll pull like hell up high:D
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 30, 2007, 04:19:02 PM
Yeah she wont be a power monster on the bottom but thats what the 5 speed is for :)
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: V8Demon on August 30, 2007, 08:15:49 PM
What springs did you wind up going with?
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: 32VFoxBird on August 30, 2007, 08:45:00 PM
a lot of times custom cams are ground by comp/crane. the builder just sends his specs to them, and they cut it.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 30, 2007, 08:52:43 PM
This one has the part number machined on the end...

I just got back from Jegs an hour ago with a set of crane valve springs..  Decent price and spring rate of 330#  they take a .580 lift.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 30, 2007, 10:53:29 PM
Quote from: CougarSE;173476
This one has the part number machined on the end...

I just got back from Jegs an hour ago with a set of crane valve springs..  Decent price and spring rate of 330#  they take a .580 lift.


Should work great:D
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 31, 2007, 07:56:46 PM
77mm Pro-M and 24# injectors came in the mail.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: 32VFoxBird on August 31, 2007, 08:01:02 PM
24's with twin hair dryers?? that's asking for trouble!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: gumby on August 31, 2007, 09:48:36 PM
the 24's are for the n/a mock-up motor
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on August 31, 2007, 09:55:50 PM
Yeah the 24's will be for n/a.. The engine will be in the car n/a for a while.. until I can afford the rest of the turbo stuff..  I was going to go with 30#ers but I think I will up it to 42's.

I just mounted the timing cover on the engine.  I was going to do more work to it but I'm getting dragged to steak and shake.
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: Dogcharmer on September 02, 2007, 08:42:14 PM
Quote from: CougarSE;169887
Looks like I will be going with an F303 Cam unless anyone knows of a better camshaft.


I'm glad to see that you didn't get the F cam. I think the cam you got with the 114 LSA will be alot better.

What are you doing for an intercooler? I was going to run 2 87 TC intercoolers up front for my set up. 1 for each turbo and Y them together on the outlet side.

Anyway, good luck with your project. I sold most of my turbo stuff because I got cold feet... I didnt think I could pull it off. I'm lookin forward to hearing how that thing is gonna run. It should be a beast!
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: Dogcharmer on September 02, 2007, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;169923
All of this "twin turbo","horsepower and torque","how fast will it go","power",talk.It's rediculous.We should all be worried about conserving fuel,global warming,and saving trees.LOL !!!!


Well, he is building a hybrid........

























It will burn both gas and rubber:rollin:
Title: TC Chronicles --- Engine Assembly
Post by: CougarSE on September 02, 2007, 10:53:14 PM
I'm going to get one of those ebay intercoolers.. probably the one with the dual inlets single outlet.
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