General => User Rides => Topic started by: grutinator on August 03, 2007, 11:09:33 AM
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Post by: grutinator on August 03, 2007, 11:09:33 AM
back to stock for me, power-wise anyways. got my car dyno'd today. a whopping 150 horsepower(@3900) and 220 ft/lbs(at 3000). so i guess for an 88, thats actually less then stock. considering all ive done (check signature) i was hoping for a little more, like at least 180 horses. that also 1/4 miled it when it was on there...16.7 @84 mph. also dissapointing. i was really hoping for low 16's at least. i guess for an engine that is gonna hit 200,000 any day now, its not too bad. but its a reallity check on just how slow it is.:mad:
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Post by: turboranger91 on August 03, 2007, 11:19:21 AM
in all honesty, you really don't have that much done to it. keep in mind that back then the 302 wasn't what i would consider a power house. don't give up hope... those motors are capable of putting out some really good numbers, but it will take more then what you've got. your torque numbers really aren't bad. the pulleys aren't going to give you more the a couple horse, the air pump is the same, the h.o. intake probably gained you about 8-10 horse, and the tb is going to give you better throttle response more then anything. the headers and lers probably picked up about 10-15 horse. all in all, i'd say your right on par for the mods you've got. as far as 1/4 mile times, it's going to take a good amount of power to propel that boat down the 1320.
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Post by: daboss351 on August 03, 2007, 11:42:40 AM
you need to finish the HO swap!!
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Post by: Ether947 on August 03, 2007, 12:08:48 PM
If that's RWHP numbers then you are making more than stock.
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Post by: slamedcat on August 03, 2007, 12:33:40 PM
Don't feel bad. You havn't even swapped the head yet.
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Post by: V8Demon on August 03, 2007, 01:54:42 PM
150 RWHP = 180-190 Crank HP I'd say you're doing well....
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Post by: thunderjet302 on August 03, 2007, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;165769
150 RWHP = 180-190 Crank HP I'd say you're doing well....
Yep. Stock 88 was 155 hp at the flywheel.
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Post by: 88BlueBird on August 03, 2007, 04:09:25 PM
I agree, that is really good if those are RWHP numbers. There are about 20% driveline loses with an automatic due to torque converter slip, etc. Plus considering you have the factory E6 heads, SO cam, and near 200K miles, I would be very happy. Put some E7 heads and an HO cam in the engine, for cheap, and you will be very happy.
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Post by: turboranger91 on August 03, 2007, 04:17:29 PM
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I agree, that is really good if those are RWHP numbers. There are about 20% driveline loses with an automatic due to torque converter slip, etc. Plus considering you have the factory E6 heads, SO cam, and near 200K miles, I would be very happy. Put some E7 heads and an HO cam in the engine, for cheap, and you will be very happy.
i'm with stupid.:D
you've barely scratched the surface of modding that motor. you've got a couple hundred bucks worth of mods... there's some of us (myself included) that have in the area of $10k in our motors. you've got a TON of room to improve on your settup.
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Post by: grutinator on August 03, 2007, 06:22:58 PM
yea, that was a deffinate brainfart about the rwhp and fwhp. i dont feel quite as bad now, and 180 fwhp was what i originally estimated, so i guess i am right about where i thought i'd be. so thanks, i feel a little better now. but i did think my 1/4 would have been faster then that, and keep in mind, that number is with a 0.00 reaction time, so real life will be worse then that. i have an E7 head milled and ready to go, i just need to find a cam, injectors, and computer. any one know where i can find a H.O. cam? im pretty leary about Ebay and and all that.
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Post by: turboranger91 on August 03, 2007, 06:27:38 PM
fwhp??? front wheel horse power?? you've converted your car to front wheel drive?? that's a hell of a mod right there!
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Post by: Thunder Chicken on August 03, 2007, 06:49:05 PM
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yea, that was a deffinate brainfart about the rwhp and fwhp. i dont feel quite as bad now, and 180 fwhp was what i originally estimated, so i guess i am right about where i thought i'd be. so thanks, i feel a little better now. but i did think my 1/4 would have been faster then that, and keep in mind, that number is with a 0.00 reaction time, so real life will be worse then that. i have an E7 head milled and ready to go, i just need to find a cam, injectors, and computer. any one know where i can find a H.O. cam? im pretty leary about Ebay and and all that.
One word: Gears. A set of 3.73's would get you into the low 16's, and maybe even the high 15's
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Post by: SSX on August 03, 2007, 06:50:53 PM
fwhp=flywheel horsepower in this case.
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on August 03, 2007, 08:18:54 PM
Reaction time has nothing to do with the run down the track, they are timed separately...
You have a good exhaust system, now need the HO to put it to work... According to MM&FF a stock HO will make 245Hp, with just the addition of a good exhaust system...
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;165815
One word: Gears. A set of 3.73's would get you into the low 16's, and maybe even the high 15's
I agree, stick a 2400 stall in it and you'll think you have the HO already...
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Post by: turboranger91 on August 03, 2007, 09:40:07 PM
Quote from: SSX;165816
fwhp=flywheel horsepower in this case.
gotcha... i've been hanging around the honda boys too long!:punchballs: :hick:
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Post by: grutinator on August 03, 2007, 11:49:43 PM
i thought gears would help alot too and ive planned for 3.73's too be next on the list of things to do for a while, but after getting those heads, im leaning to a full HO swap. im very torn on what to do. if im gonna put a cam in, i want something a little more then a plain-jane HO cam. but with SO pistons i dont have much choice, and i really dont wanna tear it down completely for new pistons. so i think i'll go regular Ho swap (cus i dont have much other choice). and then later go 3.73's.
a 2400 stall converter? whats in there stock? and how much of a pita would it be to put one in? i gues about as hard as pulling the trans?
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Post by: grutinator on August 03, 2007, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: SSX;165816
fwhp=flywheel horsepower in this case.
yea, flywheel. not front wheel. sorry for the confusion
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Post by: t.birdsc on August 04, 2007, 01:10:17 AM
Dude, don't get down if anyone is pissed after their mods it was me. 1st mod to bone stock 88 5.0. Paxton sn2000. Didn't feel much different. Call the supplier. You don't have a gear or a motor. Ho top conversion and 3.73 gears. Go to the track. 16.5. You wanna talk about pissed. Granted it wasn't tuned, exhaust and the tires weren't helping but still 86mph at the traps :( You're doing far better than I for less money. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by: Tbird232ci on August 04, 2007, 01:40:09 AM
I still have an HO computer laying around.
2400 stall is a baby compared to what the "fast" guys run. Good street manners, yet will still make a huge difference.
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on August 04, 2007, 11:44:24 AM
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a 2400 stall converter? whats in there stock? and how much of a pita would it be to put one in? i gues about as hard as pulling the trans?
Stock is approx 1600/1800... Yup have to pull the tranny...
It's a definite "to do" when swapping engines...
B&M sells a cheap 2400... Everybody will yell junk, but I had the 2K version and sold it to chrome302jr... He sprayed the hell out of it and that converter never hiccuped... For a fairly stock NA engine, I'd buy another one...
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Post by: Kitz Kat on August 04, 2007, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: turboranger91;165850
gotcha... i've been hanging around the honda boys too long!:punchballs: :hick:
YEP!!This is Ford world..
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Post by: V8Demon on August 04, 2007, 05:52:45 PM
1.7 ratio roller rockers would be a good and relatively inexpensive upgrade you can re-use on E7's, GT40's and other heads as well.
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Post by: grutinator on August 04, 2007, 05:59:59 PM
Quote from: Tbird232ci;165940
I still have an HO computer laying around.
i may be interested in that. what year is it from? and how much?
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;165975
Yup have to pull the tranny...
It's a definite "to do" when swapping engines...
if i ever pull the engine ill try to do that, but i dont really plan on doing that anytime soon unless i find a good deal on a mark/stang HO.
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Post by: grutinator on August 04, 2007, 06:02:15 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;166019
1.7 ratio roller rockers would be a good and relatively inexpensive upgrade you can re-use on E7's, GT40's and other heads as well.
yea, evrything im reading says im gonna have to do something about the pistons. between a cam i want, milled heads, and 1.7 rockers...im gonna need some more clearance
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Post by: Tbird232ci on August 04, 2007, 08:36:24 PM
Its from an 87 Mustang, also has that chip we discussed. Its speed density, so itll be a direct swap.
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Post by: grutinator on August 05, 2007, 07:57:28 PM
ok shawn, we talked, now i gotta ifnd time to get it.
i still have trouble beliving that it runs high 16's. whats stock for an 88 5.0? the kid i work with brought in his dad 2000 4.6 5 speed convertable stang for an oil change, he kept saying how slow it was and gave me a ride in it to show me. i think its safe to say that a car like that would rape mine. pretty sad to know youd lose to a car tha some poeple think is 'slow'.
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Post by: CougarSE on August 05, 2007, 08:11:46 PM
Ha, thats funny. Considering my car makes 20 less Hp than you. AT THE CRANK.
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Post by: TurboCoupe50 on August 05, 2007, 08:26:36 PM
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i still have trouble beliving that it runs high 16's. whats stock for an 88 5.0?
Got a Hot Rod mag around somewhere with '87 TC vs 5.0 test(not where it thought it was)... I believe the times were approx 16.2 -16.4 with the TC edging out the 5.0...
Here's some Bird times I found on the net... First time is 0-60...
The '96 LX must have been a ringer, cause I don't think my '95 would run 15s, Woof Woof, Bow Wow(dog)... It does go fairly well when I gag it, just doesn't seem to have much before WOT...
1955 Ford Thunderbird 292ci 11.5 18.0 1973 Ford Thunderbird 460ci 9.0 17.4 1980 Ford Thunderbird 302ci 11.1 18.0 1983 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe 9.7 17.1 1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe 8.5 16.3 1989 Ford Thunderbird SC 7.4 15.9 1990 Ford Thunderbird SC 7.4 15.8 1991 Ford Thunderbird LX 9.0 16.7 1993 Ford Thunderbird SC 7.2 15.7 1994 Ford Thunderbird LX V6 8.8 16.4 1995 Ford Thunderbird SC 7.0 15.2 1996 Ford Thunderbird LX V8 7.9 15.8 2002 Ford Thunderbird 7.0 15.2
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Post by: bhazard on August 05, 2007, 08:33:58 PM
that stang has 260 hp stock. thats over 100hp more than a cougar.
Think of this. Stock Mark VII's have the 225hp HO. They run the 1/4 in around 16.2-16.4. Youre running just a little slower than that in a car with maybe 180hp and probably only weighs a couple hundred lbs less.
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Post by: grutinator on August 06, 2007, 11:00:51 AM
Quote from: bhazard;166257
that stang has 260 hp stock. thats over 100hp more than a cougar.
Think of this. Stock Mark VII's have the 225hp HO. They run the 1/4 in around 16.2-16.4. Youre running just a little slower than that in a car with maybe 180hp and probably only weighs a couple hundred lbs less.
yea, i like the way this sounds better.im really close to beating a stock mark, rather then no where close to a stock mustang. and if, just for arguing, im 300 lbs lighter then a mark, and i do a regular old HO conversion, that should put me right at 16.0(give or take). i'd settle for that.
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Post by: turboranger91 on August 06, 2007, 11:17:11 AM
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YEP!!This is Ford world..
i know, hell, all i own are ford cars... except for the wifes g6. i work with a bunch of honda guys, so that's all i ever hear about.
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Post by: 5.0willgo on August 07, 2007, 11:03:58 AM
Hey grutinator, let me know if you need any H.O. parts. I have e7 heads, intake spacers, 19lb injectors, MarkVII comp (if Shawns doesn't work for you) and some other odds and ends. If all things go as planned in two weeks, I'll have an H.O. cam as well if you're interested.
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Post by: grutinator on August 07, 2007, 01:15:30 PM
yea thanks, i do need 19# and a cam, possible the intake space although its not really nessesary. if your willing to sell them. do u know how many miles are on each?