It was nice this weekend so I thought I'd get out my new 88TC. I bought it in December and haven't driven it much since. The 2.3 in it is insane! It has about 90K miles (the guages aren't original) and is really clean. The engine has been rebuilt with hardened crank, forged crower rods with forged pistons (diamond, i think). Has ported head with big SS valves. 65mm TB, Motorsports A237 cam with adjustable pully. Aluminum oil pan and a windage tray. Aluminum flywheel with a race clutch. Stock T-5 with steeda tri-ax shifter. On the other end of the ported e6 manifold sits a turbonetics t3/t4 hybrid and 3" exhaust all the way back. The car has an eec-tuner and has a 90mm MAF with 55# delphi injectors. I'm sure i've forgot some of it, but I have all the receipts from when the previous owner bought the car. The thing is a blast to drive! It's hard to get traction in first, second and sometimes third. It's never been dyno'd or to a track, but I would guess around 300rwhp right now. The car needs a better intercooler. I plan on getting a big front mount or AWIC before spring so i can crank the boost up to 25psi (it's 18 right now). I also needs a header panel and tail light Here are the pics.
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300rwhp? that is pretty impressive, any idea what that would run in the 1/4?
300 is a bit generous, especailly on 18psi
definatly a nice ride regardless, i love my TC and its bone stock, i know you must be having a blast!
Thanks for the comments.
I really have no idea about the 1/4 times, probably somewhere in the 13's. I was messing around on the back roads with my buddy who was driving an '04 GTO and he couldn't keep up. Those are , i think, 350 hp at the crank, but a heavier car. I think 300 is about right. I can't wait untill it warms up and take the car to the drag strip!
Nick
300 at the flywheel maybe, but get her to the track, so we dont have to play guessing games :p
Nice buy, 300 ponies out of any four cylinder is inpresive. Nice car dude. :)
I dunno man,either your buddy don't know what he was doin or he was playin with ya.
The gto should have been able to keep up with you for sure.It is a mid 13 sec car with the right traction.
Now don't get me wrong you got a nice TC there but i think tbird232ci is right i think 300hp on 18psi is a bit generous.
Yea you guys are right, I really would like to know how much power this thing acually makes. It just sucks i have to wait untill spring to get 'er to the track. My goal by the end of summer is to break into the 12's. Probably will require some N20 though. :evilgrin:
Nick
wasnt that turbo coupe on ebay awhile back?
nice car
tri-axe is great isnt it!!!
get it dynoed before you go spitting out numbers... just looks bad otherwise, and 300 is a magical number that eludes even some of the more built motors around here. Im gonna say we start a RWHP pool for that car, Im going with 260RWHP...
With that intercooler your not making 300 horse at 18 psi. Get a big front mount and you probly could on 18 psi
Has the car been lowered? What kinda suspension is that torpedo riding on?
The suspension is stock, the springs are for a mustang (not sure what year or hight). It rides nice and rough, but tends to se on just about everything. The shifter is a lot better than stock!
This sucks, for the only two days I've had the car out in a month, i get pulled over two different times, in two different towns and got a "no front licence plate" ticket. In my '86TC, I haven't had a plate on there for a year and havent heard anything about it! The cops dont like this car.
Nick
cops dont like my 87's either, cops will pull out behind me and follow me hoping i go over the speed limit
RWHP pool? I got about 100.
Naah, no need to go to a track or a dyno. Just stick a phallic title under your name, (where it comes up on each post) drop all sorts of inappropriate hints about your shagual prowess, and loudly proclaim that your vehicle is the baddest in the land. It won't cost you anything.. not even gas money! :ies:
Seriously, tho.. looks good. (except for that taillight) If my '86 s out on me, maybe I'll track down a TC. The look is growing on me.. although some here would probably shoot me for what I'd wanna do to it.. (among other reasons) :p
even if i didnt do the work to my car, or even if the car isnt mine?!
Oh, especially if you didn't. It'll be our little secret..
That's where you're wrong!
You been reading my sigs again? :p
Actually 300+hp is possible with his combo at only 18psi. He has all the right parts so basically it all depends on the tune. Last year I ran a 13.28 at 102.5 with only 16 psi and an absolutley terrible tune on the stand alone.
300+ Is possible i agree glenn.
Depending upon which t3/t4 turbo you have it may have more or less?
Put a big npr intercooler in that car. Those are really easy to install in that car.
Good luck and go out there and get some numbers.
I'll say 230-250 at the wheels. That's very respectable for a 4banger, not an insult. If you've got a stock T5 for a turbo, you'd better start putting money back to replace it. They are barely adequate for a stock TC, and won't hold up to much power for long, especially with sticky tires on a prepped track. Good lookin' ride, have a blast with her. I would be extremely impressed if it came close to 300 at wheels.
Are you sure you don't mean IHI, or do you actually mean the Transmission? I was under the assumption the T5 was a pretty sturdy unit, seeing as it's used in the Mustang GT's.
the TC and GT t5's aren't exactly the same tranny.nice car man its nice to finally see our numbers grow here and get an nice fmic for it you will see a big difference. i side with glen on this one he has hekped me out a few times with mine
the 4 banger T5's are still pretty stout, ive seen them used in 5.0 stangs in 11 second cars
Steve Choma's TC has basically the same combo and he makes 335rwhp with 25psi. He has also has a lightly ported stock valved head and a stock bottom end. The fresh bottom end and big valve head on Nick's would make a big difference in flow. If properly tuned I could easily see 300+ with 18psi. Especially if he has a bigger hybrid turbo.
If you do the math with my best quarter mile mph 102.5 and the race weight of 3552 it equates to about 300rwhp and that was with only 16 psi. The tune was terrible and since that run we found out the valve train geometry is way off. In fact the rockers were cutting into the retainers and when we pulled the head off 3 of the 4 intake valves didn't completely close. I can't wait to get it on the dyno once it's fixed.
I'm looking for around 370+rwhp and hope the T5 lasts till next year. The Tremec isn't on the upgrade list till spring 06.
actually, the funny thing is that the stock intercooler is fantastic for dragracing. it's not that restrictive (compared to the motorsport tbird intercooler and i've seen 300+ with those), the only downside is that you need to ice them keep them cool as possible.
with that combo and 16-18 psi, 300 is not a problem. you DON'T need psi all of the time, flow is also a big part. my turbo coupe mostly stock use to run 14.9's but had a 60 foot of 2.13's. flow was my problem. hence, it now has a full 3" exhaust. off hand, how is the MAF setup for you? i want to do it (i have an ecc tuner already), but have heard nothing but complaints/problems. though, i have thought of using the pro m one.
glenn, i have a rear light for your turbo coupe. $10 plus shipping good? let me know if your interested.
I remember when I first built my car...going from the old engine to the HO....I thought I had a 13 second car...an outright animal. Then my buddy passed me in his mazda 6 series. Straight to the track....hitting my head against the windshield the whole ride home......15.4 at about 75 mph....Then we noticed on hard shifts that smoke only flew from one pipe....baffle was turned and the exhaust was only running one side....off to RCO for an off road and some 2 1/2 stuff. Only then did I get closer to the elusive 13s (was a few years later that I finally hit them).
My other pet peeve....if you have a 200 hp car....and add three power adders that claim 15% boosts in power....don't go telling your friends that you have over 300 hp. I think that kind of math was invented in the Chevy 350 camps.....keep it real man!
Jeff :canada:
hell, i might have to drop by and check out your exhaust setup, im wanting to run a full 3", but i havnt seen it, so i dont want to buy a bunch of bends and whatnot, for me to not be able to assemble it
ive heard the stock IC is pretty sweet, but in my case, i could be driving around locally, and it gets pretty warm, not warm, but not hot, and i figured that it couldnt be so great for HP numbers
front mounting the stock one would actually be awesome